Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Saddleback Church

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The result was keep. Majorly (Talk) 13:46, 23 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Saddleback Church (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

non notable per WP:CHURCH Adam Riley ^Talk 18:53, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure what you mean by notable. 1/4 million Goggle hits? [1]A senior pastor who, on the basis of his experiences leading this church has written 6 best-selling Christian books ([Rick Warren] - and his book on this church has a very impressive Amazon rating [2]). They host international conferences, at which US Senators speak [3]. They have developed a programme that has been used by 20,000 churches [4]. They've had media coverage for their approach to AIDS, and allowing pro-abortion speakers [http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=53168]. Isn't that notable? --Sandy Scott 21:48, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in the article that says this stuff. --Адам Райли ^Talk 22:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - One of the most famous and influential evangelical churches in America. Rick Warren is as notable. The recent speech by Barak Obama there illustrates its importance. -- Bpmullins | Talk 22:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing in the article about Barack Obama. I don't see how something that isn't in the article can illustrate its importance. I would support a merge into Rick Warren, however. --Адам Райли ^Talk 22:12, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment - when faced with information which illustrates a subject's notability, saying "it isn't in the article" is only marginally faster - and certainly far less productive - than adding it to the article. Remember the WP tenet: "So fix it"! Grutness...wha? 23:27, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. A fantastic phrase I would like to hear more often at AFD is "$EDITOR, if you have the time, please add those citations to the article so that evidence of notability is preserved."[5] It helps maintains WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. --Dhartung | Talk 08:14, 17 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Stong Keep Saddleback is probably the most influential church in the last fifteen years. Adam Riley seems to be making a WP:POINT nominating churches. Pastordavid 16:11, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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