Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Santhosh Pandit (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep.  Sandstein  05:52, 1 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Proposing this article for deletion for the following reasons:

1. WP:BLP1E. Biography of a living person. Subject notable only for one event. An extract of the policy: "Being in the news does not in itself mean that someone should be the subject of a Wikipedia article."
2. The 'event' that makes this person notable is an amateur film, produced, written, directed and acted-in by the very person who himself leased theatres to screen it as well.
3. The film was not noted for its artistic value, nor for its technical excellence, nor for its commercial success, but for its amateurishness, lack of artistic value, and the number of technical errors,^[1] and the way such a product was celebrated by the youth (storming the theatres with oaths and abuses^[2]).

Of-course 'the subject' is substance for news, and the article is well written too. But 'the subject' does not fit into the criterion to be included in an encyclopedia, and particularly Wikipedia.

Note that the article was deleted atleast twice before (1st deletion, 2nd deletion) and then recreated. And please note that the grounds of previous deletions were different (WP:FILMMAKER, WP:Reliable sources, and WP:Notability (people)) from the ones raised now. This means that probably the issues raised earlier might stand corrected in the present article but the issues now raised were never addressed.

Notes:

Austria156 (talk) 12:32, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - The person has enough notability now. --Sreejith K (talk) 14:19, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Wikipedia is not a judge of quality or morality. Its job is to state what is factual and to provide factual and unprejudiced information sought by people wanting to know about a particular topic/subject or person. The person on which this article is created has arisen to such level in terms of noteworthiness by now. ViswaPrabha വിശ്വപ്രഭ (talk) 14:55, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:BLP1E. Austria156 (talk) 15:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Wikipedia need not look into the artistic merits of the movie. The fact is that the person is having widespread media coverage now and the kind of coverage is such that it does not seem like he will remain a low profile individual. The very fact that he was able to make an amateur film and get a theater release for that might make him a historically significant person in the context of Malayalam cinema - this is not a common thing in Malayalam film industry. Also, he is in the process of making further movies and it will be foolish to assume that they will go unnoticed by the media. Thus the contention that the person is a onetime wonder with no long-term notability is questionable -- Raziman T V (talk) 15:07, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Santhosh Pandit notable enough in Kerala and Malayalam film industry. He is not famous because of one event. His Youtube videos are very well watched and his first film is hit in Malayalam film industry. Wikipedia shouldn't check the quality of the film or the personality of a person. He is going to produce more films --Anoopan (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as per comments above. --Axel™ (talk) 16:00, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - Previous nomination for deletion was before his movie release which is the major event that gave him the notability. He is the major player in that major event which gives him notability. The fact that the event is major is evident from:

1. He tops all celebrated Malayalam movie stars (like Mohanlal and Mammootty) in Google searches for more than a month: http://www.google.co.in/trends?q=santhosh+pandit%2C+mohanlal%2C+mammootty&date=mtd&sort=0 (that too for a wide margin)
2. All major newspapers and channels covered him widely and specifically. Examples:
   1. Asianet News: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yd-Tm8Ex3Xw
   2. Manorama Channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wzdnVkXefv0

Notability in the movie industry is not a reason for deletion. Being infamous is also not a reason for deletion. Wikipedia hosts entries for Al Capone, Hitler and Nathuram Godse as well. --Cibu (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 16:11, 23 November 2011 (UTC).[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:05, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:06, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep - The person has enough notability. Whether he is infamous and all doesn't matter. If he did many areas of a film , that is not something that should be used against him. Sufficient number of references available in the article. The shooting of his second film is in progress also. Expect this to be the last proposal to delete this article.
Anish Viswa 00:55, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I was the one who originally AFDed the article. See more here. The person is notable now. -- Tinu Cherian - 04:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

SNOW Keep? -- Raziman T V (talk) 05:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. The person was not having the notability when it suggested for deletion before. Now he has the notability. --Vaishak Kallore | വൈശാഖ്‌ കല്ലൂര്‍ (talk) 05:53, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I think this person is enough notable now. Notability could be of a good or bad reason.--Rameshng (talk) 06:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG KEEP: Santoh is a good Entertainer, he is a multi talent person, he is enough notable. If Wikipedia delete this account, then shame on u.. How can u promote Ajmal Kasab's page and neglect this common man... Best Wishes Santosh Pandit.. u rock man .. Binu Kumar (Trivandrum) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.213.3.172 (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

STRONG KEEP: As per the statistics put out by the Google Trends on Saturday, he stands second on the list of hot searches on Google, next only to Facebook in India. Link: http://www.deccanchronicle.com/channels/showbiz/others/santosh-pandit-second-google-trends-list-483

Link: http://www.livenewsindia.com/regional-news/kerala-news/santosh-pandit-second-in-google-trends-list/

Best Wishes Santosh Pandit, we are with u..Carry on ..God will Bless u, if Wilkipedia wont ;-) ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Notychiku (talk • contribs) 09:14, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong Keep - From Australia. Santhosh Pandit is very notable as a humorist film character among Kerala people living in Australia. I request an admin to close this discussion as Keep and protect the article from any future AFD nomination (if WP policy allows that). Thank you. 119.12.156.218 (talk) 09:24, 25 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP. PLEASE DO NOT DELETE — Preceding unsigned comment added by 27.104.203.73 (talk) 00:10, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Pundit seems to be quite popular now. So why dont we wind up this discussion here and let the things rest for some time. Maybe the initiator of this proposal, or even somebody else, could come back later with a proposal again, maybe possibly in an year or so when Pundit would have fallen off to oblivion from the collective memories of us malayalees? That is, wouldn't time be a better judge? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.164.141.126 (talk) 00:25, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - The point 3 is not valid as even if the quality of the movie is considered, there are other points such as the business moves he made which is an eye opener to the industry which he works in. Showing the youngsters that determination and right moves can help the industry, while the veterans in the industry keeps blaming each other for the lack of quality theaters or limitations posed by the standards of exhibitors, itself is a reason to be included in wikipedia at least as a case study for the future. 27 November 2011 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.230.17.115 (talk) 06:38, 27 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - He has made a film that is all. To list in wiki somebody should achieve something. Why he has to be listed here??. Any informative purpose??. Looks like he is doing vandalism to wiki by listing himself to promote his film. Here he is using wiki also for his film publicity — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.157.78 (talk) 11:15, 28 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pandits movie is mainly aimed for teenagers between the age groups 10-16. These thugs are mainly going to the theatres for howling and partying purpose only. They want the movie in such a way so that they howl as loud as they can and Pandit acknowledges all these abuses with a warm smile. He knows this technique that is the key of his notability.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.12.156.218 (talk)

Request for more time: From the initiator of the AfD: May I request the administrator who would review this discussion to please give some more time for the discussion, just one more week. I beleive it will probably bring in more views. And I think, whatever be the outcome of the discussion, a better participation would be in the interest of what we aim - a better Wikipedia. Thank you. Austria156 (talk) 09:16, 30 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Have listed this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Kerala.

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.