Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Scripture in Song (2nd nomination)

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The result was keep. No prejudice towards renaming. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:31, 17 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Scripture in Song

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Delete. Non-notable record company. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:48, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of New Zealand-related deletion discussions. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:52, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000^(talk) 10:09, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:34, 3 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, Delete. Mattlore (talk) 12:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hold fire - they are possibly more notable than the article gives them credit - I'll do some digging as I note it has had only one editor, and that some years ago, NealeFamily (talk) 01:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Seem to have been notable in the NZ Christian music scene in the 1970's according to a comment in "Te Ara". The references I have found are generally Christian sites and global and not just New Zealand, but how appropriate they are for references I am unsure. Needs someone with expertise in that field to advise. The article title may be wrong, and might be better as a biography NealeFamily (talk) 07:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. NealeFamily (talk) 08:06, 6 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Tremendously influential in contemporary Christian music. A quick look at Gnews came up with this quote, "the 'Scripture in Song' movement... has influenced and in many ways shaped what the Christian world knows as contemporary worship." St Anselm (talk) 01:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The problem is that there is nothing in the article that indicates this level of significance, nor are there any strong references to support the article. Would need a decent amount of research and editing to bring it up to speed. NealeFamily (talk) 05:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. If nothing else, the songbooks alone a notable as hymnals - used by thousands of churches, and probably still used by many. St Anselm (talk) 02:00, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Would perhaps it be better to transform this into an article on the Scripture in Song movement instead of just the record company? Mattlore (talk) 03:06, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

From the various sites it would seem to descibe either songs or type of songs that Dave and Dale Garrett wrote and sang. There are various records and song books with those titles, so I don't think they are a movement as such.NealeFamily (talk) 05:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{(have a chat)} 18:11, 10 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep -- This is currently a poor article, but I consider that this (at least) was a significant element in Evangelical Christian worship music in the 1970s. It was more than a record company: publishing song books was equally important, though my memory is more of orally transmitted songs, for example in Youth with a Mission. The lack of current notability makes no difference if it was notable once. Peterkingiron (talk) 14:16, 12 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. A very notable influence on Christian music. Some reliable references:
- [1]: "... one of the primary catalysts of this contemporary incarnation of biblical text worship music in the 1970's charismatic movements"
- [2] "... had a worldwide influence on the worship of the charismatic movement"
- [3] "... had an enormous influence on Pentecostal worship in Australia and many other places" -- 202.124.72.37 (talk) 12:11, 14 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
CommentThe preceding comments suggest an article about the movement should exist and generally don't address the notability of the compampy (which is what the article is currently about). As for a Scripture in Song movement article it seem to me that it is not quite notable enogh to justify its own article. A note in the Charismatic Movement article may be sufficient? -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure if there was a "movement" as such. The sources listed above specifically refer to the company, its two founders, and the songbooks/recordings it produced. The company is clearly notable, based on its past activities, and its influence in fact extended well beyond charismatic circles, as Peterkingiron notes. -- 202.124.75.177 (talk) 01:10, 16 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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