- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Shahbag. J04n(talk page) 22:43, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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WP:NOTINHERITED: The only reason this road intersection is notable is the Shahbag Protest riots. I don't feel confident being bold here, so I'm AfDing it. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:08, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Oppose deletion: For three reasons, (1) if you knew the country, you'd know that protests often occur at the sites of past protests, so this place is likely to be a recurring focal point for future news events (2) some allowance should be made for the fact that this ___location is in a country where English is not the principal language and given time, more information may accumulate (I bet there were protests here in the past, but probably a different name was used then, or the name of the place didn't hit the western media) and (2) this page performs an important service for journalists and others seeking information. There are multiple names and multiple transliterations of the names (we probably haven't collected them all yet). The information that it isn't a square in the usual sense is also helpful. If, as I suspect, it used to be a huge roundabout that I remember from before the war, then it is very central to Dhaka and has a lot of history that we haven't yet accumulated here. If every station on the London underground can have its own page, then this place very much deserves a page. Sminthopsis84 (talk) 14:31, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Point 1 fails WP:CRYSTAL. Point 2 fails WP:CRYSTAL (and English sources aren't required anyway; if it's about this event, it STILL doesn't make the square notable, per WP:NOTINHERITED). Point 3 fails WP:ITSUSEFUL, and WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 14:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bangladesh-related deletion discussions. Shahbagh Square
- Keep: Apart from the Shahbag protests, this is a major intersection in Dhaka and also a historic one, surrounded by some major landmarks! --Zayeem (talk) 15:35, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Since when was being a major intersection a grounds for inclusion? The other bit fails WP:NOTINHERITED as well... Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 16:40, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- With respect I see nothing in WP policies that prevents a road intersection from being notable. What about Piccadilly Circus in London, or the many other examples? Notability is derived from a place's associations, surrounding buildings, setting, or something else. I do not intend to !vote because I do not know Dhaka, but the case made out by Sminthopsis84 and Kmzayeem seems reasonable to me. --AJHingston (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not saying it cannot be notable; I'm saying that arguing it is a major intersection and is thus notable is not really enough. If someone actually provides sources about this square that aren't about the riots, but actually have in-depth coverage of this square, then notability may appear more convincing. There are a 1001 sources on Piccadilly Circus, which, I feel the need to add, isn't just the intersection, whereas this appears to be. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 18:23, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- This could satisfy you, hard to find many sources because of the ongoing protests being the most trending topic, hence most of the links direct to that protest. Besides, for some obvious reasons, you won't find as many sources for a street in Dhaka as you may find for that of London! --Zayeem (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- OK, that's one piece primarily about the square, which is a start. I'm not expecting a London-level of coverage, but 2 or 3 more in-depth pieces that are not about the riots/protests would definitely satisfy notability. When I nominated this, its only claim to notability was the riots. Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 11:26, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Notability doesn't count on the number of sources, the link which I posted, clearly asserts the notability of Shahbag square! Besides, this place is also a center of different cultural activities in Dhaka as seen here. Hence, the article surely justifies its existence! --Zayeem (talk) 15:33, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- This could satisfy you, hard to find many sources because of the ongoing protests being the most trending topic, hence most of the links direct to that protest. Besides, for some obvious reasons, you won't find as many sources for a street in Dhaka as you may find for that of London! --Zayeem (talk) 11:17, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- With respect I see nothing in WP policies that prevents a road intersection from being notable. What about Piccadilly Circus in London, or the many other examples? Notability is derived from a place's associations, surrounding buildings, setting, or something else. I do not intend to !vote because I do not know Dhaka, but the case made out by Sminthopsis84 and Kmzayeem seems reasonable to me. --AJHingston (talk) 18:04, 28 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest you read WP:GNG, which clearly states the need for in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources. I'm not 100% convinced that NewageBD is a reliable source, and, besides, the word "Shahbagh" is not present anywhere in it anyway (nor is the word square). Lukeno94 (tell Luke off here) 15:53, 29 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Zayeem, I would say keep if the sources (including Bangla sources) can be added. But to have an article the article needs to have some information about the title. This article contains no information about Shahbagh Square itself. When was the roundabout built? 1920s? 1970s? What are the numbers of the two roads intersecting? What is the GPS coordinate? The most basic geo stub information is missing. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:18, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Alright, this is another source. Well, the article surely needs to be rewritten as it mainly emphasizes on the protests rather than the actual info about the subject, I'll try to add those! --Zayeem (talk) 15:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, KTC (talk) 20:16, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:59, 6 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Shahbag the geographical entry serving as a mother article. Aditya(talk • contribs) 09:50, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Shahbag per Aditya Kabir. It seems that there is some information available, but it is such a stub that I'm not sure that an article for this intersection alone is notable enough to stand alone, and it could probably be better served as part of the parent article. Tiggerjay (talk) 21:30, 14 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to Shahbag, per Aditya and Tiggerjay above; most of the current article concerns the recent protests. Miniapolis 13:52, 16 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.