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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to ChevoBeatz. Most of the keep !votes have been rebutted or were written by a robot that does not understand our guidelines, and we have a clear WP:ATD by redirecting to the artist's article as suggested by the first comment. Any editor is welcome to merge in content from the redirect history. asilvering (talk) 01:11, 9 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shatta Gyal

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Does not come close to meeting WP:NSONG. Sources are trivial mentions, promotional in nature, and/or from unreliable sites. The creator of the article also seems to be dealing with COI issues. JTtheOG (talk) 19:00, 24 April 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. A source analysis would be welcome.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:08, 1 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep not only has the song charted, but I did a brief source analysis. Covered in two seeminygly reputable Surinamese newspapers -- De West and De Ware Tijd, two newspapers with among the highest circulations in Suriname. We also have a tabloid-esque source in the Jamaica Star. With the charting and De West and De Ware Tijd, looks like notability guidelines are met. Not that is article doesn't have problems, it could be vastly improved, with grammar and NPOV. It looks like the nominator did not perform an adequate WP:BEFORE check.AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 01:31, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @AnonymousScholar49: I heard you'd appreciate the ping. Looking at the extent of the coverage about the song in those two sources:
    The talented Dutch music producer with Surinamese-Indian roots, ChevoBeatz, has made it to the Argentine Billboard 100 list with two songs. These are the songs 'Shatta Gyal' a collaboration with the dancehall artist FireVerse and 'Bamba' with the singer Chuma Afrika from Kenya. This milestone also received a notification on the platform of Billboard Argentina under the heading: 'ChevoBeatz explora fronteras musicales'. –De West
    The promising Surinamese-Dutch music producer ChevoBeatz has reached the Billboard Argentina Hot 100 list with his song 'Shatta Gyal', a collaboration with the Jamaican Dancehall artist FireVerse. The song was at the 87th position on the list. There is also a story dedicated to him in the Argentinean Billboard Magazine under the headline: 'ChevoBeatz explora fronteras musicales'. –De Ware Tijd
    They also both include eerily similar versions of the same text later on in the articles:
    In addition to his existing collaborations, he is looking for opportunities to work with more artists from all over the world. His passion for creating diverse and captivating music knows no bounds, and he is constantly trying to push the boundaries of his creative skills. –DW
    In addition to his existing collaborations, he is looking for opportunities to work with even more artists from all over the world. His passion for creating captivating music knows no bounds. ChevoBeatz is constantly trying to push the boundaries. –DWT
    Lastly, both articles feature similar photos, one of which is attributed to the "ChevoBeatz collection". Further analysis of the sources has convinced me that even these pieces from more established publications are more of the same explicitly promotional content. It also makes me kind of sad how much of this sort of paid content exists online in general. Alas... Cheers, JTtheOG (talk) 09:28, 2 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi JTtheOG, thanks for your thoughtful input.
    Regarding the concern about promotional content: you’re right that some of the sources have a tone that leans promotional, but that alone doesn’t disqualify the subject under Wikipedia’s notability standards. Per WP:GNG, what’s most important is that the subject has received significant coverage in reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject — which this article does. Examples include DancehallMag, Jamaica Observer, and the Billboard Argentina charting, which indicate coverage beyond simple self-promotion or trivial mention.
    Even if the tone in parts of the article still needs refinement, that’s something that can and should be fixed editorially. Wikipedia policy WP:PRESERVE encourages improving content rather than deleting subjects that are notable but may need work.
    So while your concern is totally valid, there seems to be a solid foundation here for a neutral, encyclopedic article with further cleanup — not deletion.
    Alat Cheers! DataTrekker (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi DataTrekker; thank you for your input as well. DancehallMag is four sentences of direct coverage and Jamaica Observer is a single trivial mention. No matter their reliability or independence, they are not significant, in-depth coverage. As you correctly pointed out, GNG requires coverage that is independent, reliable, and significant. JTtheOG (talk) 22:25, 3 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks, JTtheOG, totally fair to scrutinize the depth of coverage.
    That said, I’d argue the DancehallMag piece goes beyond a trivial mention. While brief, it offers unique commentary on the artist’s impact in reggae from a third-party perspective. Likewise, the Jamaica Observer coverage is not just a name-drop but ties into a broader cultural context. Per WP:SIGCOV, coverage doesn’t need to be lengthy — it just needs to examine the subject in some detail, which these do.
    Also, the subject’s charting on Billboard Argentina isn’t a mere stat — it reflects measurable cultural relevance, which Wikipedia recognizes as a notability indicator (see WP:NMUSIC). When combined with independent reporting, this points toward notability, even if some sources are concise.
    If tone or structure is the concern, let’s focus on cleanup. Deletion seems unnecessary when the base notability criteria are arguably met. DataTrekker (talk) 09:38, 4 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: The article lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. While the song charted on Billboard Argentina and Hype TV Jamaica, these achievements alone aren't notable. Most sources are promotional or trivial mentions, and there's no in-depth analysis of the song's impact or significance. Per WP:NSONG, notability requires more than just chart positions. Unclasp4940 (talk) 02:37, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Keep – The coverage in DancehallMag and Jamaica Observer shows that the artist has received attention from independent sources that offer more than just brief mentions. These articles touch on the artist’s presence in the reggae/dancehall scene, indicating some level of critical or cultural interest. In addition, charting on Billboard Argentina points to measurable recognition outside of local or niche circles. While the article may benefit from cleanup, the core notability criteria under WP:NMUSIC appear to be met. Deletion doesn’t seem necessary here. ~~~~ 2001:1C0F:285:6E00:950F:5058:7FC8:42BF (talk) 15:41, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    These sources have been addressed. Please log in to !vote as your comment looks very similar to others here. JTtheOG (talk) 17:30, 6 May 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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