Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shree Venkatesh Films

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. The discussion was marred by some canvassing and the participation of some SPAs. Ignoring those, there are valid policy-based arguments for both "keep" and "delete". As this article is years old, draftifying is not appropriate. Hence I close this as "no consensus" with no prejudice to opening a new debate in 1 or2 months time. Randykitty (talk) 11:45, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shree Venkatesh Films

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The entire article is based on shoddy, self-published references. This page contains a lot of advertising. Look at the reference number from 1 to 18. fails WP:SIGCOV. Nick Jamie2 (talk) 11:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Entertainment, Companies, and India. Nick Jamie2 (talk) 11:01, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep :Hi, Nick Jamie2

SVF is a well-known entertainment and media company based in Kolkata, India. It has been producing and distributing award-winning and blockbuster films in Eastern India mostly in Bengali language since 1995.

I have found large number of articles published by renowned newspapers and magazines like The Telegraph, Times of India, Planet Bollywood, Film Companion etc in the "References" section which further proves the authenticity of the information provided.

I strongly recommend against the deleting the page because I, as a moviebuff look for the plot summary, lead cast etc. of all the films produced by SVF in a single page. It's a one-stop shop for all the information that one might be looking for about SVF films. Deletion of such a Wikipedia page which is so rich in content would be a great loss. Anwesha Sen Sarma (talk) 12:38, 15 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio ^giuliano 12:32, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The chart showing every film win is longer than the article itself. There is nothing notable to be found in RS that I can see and this looks PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 15:27, 20 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Shree Venkatesh Films is by far the largest film production company in Bengali cinema. They have a ton of significant coverage in secondary sources. For example, The Week, MediaNama, Scroll, Economic Times. Their notability is pretty well established. The article is in a poor state and needs to be rewritten to conform to encyclopedic standards. But that should not be the grounds for deletion of the most prominent production company in all of Eastern India. Nikh Nori (talk) 07:22, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or Draftify. Shree Venkatesh Films is a notable company; the problem is that the article is based on company web-pages instead of what newspapers and scholarly articles say. AFD is not cleanup.
  I agree that the giant chart does not belong in the main article on Shree Venkatesh Films. If you look at the article on Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer it has a wikilink to Lists of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer films, which is a much better way of handling it. (The chart would be fine for a company that only produced 5 films.) -- Toddy1 (talk) 15:38, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I hope these articles published on multiple leading Indian newspapers or media houses prove the platform's notability-

  https://www.theweek.in/webworld/features/society/rise-shree-venkatesh-films-resurgence-bengali-cinema.html

  https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/industry/media/entertainment/meet-the-duo-behind-shree-ventakesh-films-who-helped-turn-around-bengali-cinema/articleshow/28355473.cms

  https://www.thehindubusinessline.com/companies/film-production-house-svf-plans-childrenonly-content/article10004780.ece

  https://www.business-standard.com/article/pti-stories/shree-venkatesh-films-to-make-25-films-in-3-yrs-spend-rs-100cr-118011200799_1.html

  Many other external articles are there in the References section as well.

  Also as you said, the giant chart showing the list of films produced by the company is not on the main article because it's a better and easier way to keep track of all the films. Even Yash Raj Films, one of the leading Indian film production companies, has a similar wiki link to List of films released by Yash Raj Films. Anwesha Sen Sarma (talk) 06:37, 23 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 01:39, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep SVF is most famous OTT platform in India. Passes WP:NCORP guideline of Wikipedia. 2409:40E3:101A:E46B:ADA8:A18C:BB9:5318 (talk) 05:55, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete on the basis of the four sources listed not far above. The first is based on a press release, the second is based on an interview with a member of the company, the third is also not independent, and the fourth is almost unreadable, showing a rapidly-changing series of unrelated news articles. Maproom (talk) 11:35, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Passes WP:GNG. SuperSharanya (talk) 13:07, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Notability is not inherited. Many of this company's films are notable. That does not make this company notable. UtherSRG (talk) 13:36, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 16:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep The references mentioned above by Anwesha Sen Sarma appear to meet the criteria for establishing notability in that they discuss the topic company in detail, it just isn't 100% clear how independent the articles are hence the "weak" keep !vote. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:32, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Films produced by this company are popular and notable which doesn’t make the company notable. Most Sources are promotional. Don’t Get Hope And Give Up — Preceding undated comment added 13:52, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as there is enough significant coverage in the references provided in this discussion from reliable sources to enable a pass of WP:CORPDEPTH in my view so that deletion is unnecessary Atlantic306 (talk) 23:01, 4 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 13:33, 6 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Very Strong Keep: This is no.1 OTT platform in India. No-one can't beat this. Passes Wiki all guidelines. 103.170.182.2 (talk) 09:33, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Note that some blatant attempted canvassing is happening here. Cordless Larry (talk) 09:45, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Maybe the company is notable, I don't know. But the article itself in its current state is a long way from acceptable. Throw it away and create a new draft, starting from the beginning, which should be reliable independent published sources. Maproom (talk) 07:34, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete or Draftify: Clearly not ready for primetime, I don't have a strong opinion on whether the article can be salvaged or if it's better to start from scratch. – Stuart98 ( Talk • Contribs) 20:06, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draftify. Decent article, but it needs serious work and reads like an advertisement to me. The list of award-winning movies is bigger than the rest of the article put together, and too few references (seems to be mostly self-researched with no substantial references to the list of movies/shows produced). Definitely not bad enough to delete though. Spaceeditor123 (talk) 21:02, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The canvassing by 103.170.182.2 (identified by Cordless Bob} is very concerning. However, I believe that the sources found by Anwesha Sen Sarma gets this article over the threshold for WP:NCORP. MrsSnoozyTurtle 06:17, 15 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.