- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was merge to Signetics. MBisanz talk 00:07, 8 February 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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Non-notable integrated circuit. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 23:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment I have added three secondary references to the article. The 2513 gets a mention in the TTL cookbook, a bit more prose in the Radio Electronics article and an in-depth treatment in the TV Typewriter Cookbook. The topic has multiple secondary sources, but only one is in depth. There are no doubt other paper sources out there, but those are all the sources I knew of. Mark viking (talk) 04:59, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, refs can be found but it is too specialised a topic for WP. We need to put a limit on articles of this type in the same way we do for bio articles, website articles etc. I think we should be using the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument as a means of determining notability by saying "there are no other articles on electronic components with this level of notability so it should be deleted." In that way a line is drawn in the sand and we only have the most notable items added rather than random things, such as a Signetics 2513. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- WP:OTHERSTUFF is on the page Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions, so it doesn't qualify as a solid basis for decision making in deletion discussions, although such comparisons could be made in support of the main argument. For topics like this without their own specialized guidelines, our line in the sand is in the form of the general notability guidelines, WP:GNG. The GNG allow us to avoid subjective judgments like "it is too specialised a topic for WP" or "But this is an essential part of computer history!" and just concentrate on notability of the article under consideration. Mark viking (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, refs can be found but it is too specialised a topic for WP. We need to put a limit on articles of this type in the same way we do for bio articles, website articles etc. I think we should be using the WP:OTHERSTUFF argument as a means of determining notability by saying "there are no other articles on electronic components with this level of notability so it should be deleted." In that way a line is drawn in the sand and we only have the most notable items added rather than random things, such as a Signetics 2513. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 07:40, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Maybe merge it, or elements of it, into the main Signetics article, if it ends up being marked for deletion? --Deepred6502 (talk) 09:11, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- But it is one of maybe 1000s of components sold by Signetics. If we add just this one we get a WP:BALANCE problem. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 09:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The Signetics article already mentions specific integrated circuits; so does the Intel article. Mentioning particular products is not a problem if they are verifiable and given due weight (see WP:DUE). In fact, the 2513 is already mentioned and referenced in the Signetics article. Merging other verifiable information from this article to the Signetics article is a reasonable course of action, should this article be found to be below the notability threshold. Mark viking (talk) 21:42, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- But it is one of maybe 1000s of components sold by Signetics. If we add just this one we get a WP:BALANCE problem. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 09:15, 25 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Sure, a mention in the Signetics article of specific ic's is fine but the 2513 is not in the same league as the 555. -- Alan Liefting (talk - contribs) 20:18, 26 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 13:33, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Merge to a list of significant devices in Signetics. Mangoe (talk) 15:54, 31 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.