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The result was keep. Daniel (talk) 18:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)
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Sources are not in-depth and don’t seem to discuss about the subject in detail. WP:TOOSOON Xclusivzik (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Bands and musicians and South Africa. Xclusivzik (talk) 17:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
Comment. There are a number of claims in the article that might lead to one concluding that this person is notable if they were true, but the claims don't seem to actually be true; the article seems to have substantial errors:- There's a claim in the article that the individual's song, "Mina Nawe", was #1 in South Africa. If that's true, the individual would pass WP:NMUSIC#2. However, there's no source, I can't independently verify it, and I doubt its veracity.
- There's also a claim that the individual has had multiple 2-platinum certified songs; this would pass WP:NMUSIC#3 (
Has had a record certified gold or higher in at least one country
) if true. The sources for this are TimesLive (Wikipedia article), ZaTunes, and RISA. The TimesLive piece doesn't actually support this claim, and the RISA website notes that Soa Mattrix was one of 3 featured artists on "Nomathemba", a certified platinum song by DJ Givy Baby, but I don't think that this sort of credit is qualifying for purposes of NMUSIC#3. And, RISA doesn't actually support the 2x platinum claim for any of the artist's own songs. Meanwhile, ZaTunes is not listed at WP:A/S, and it doesn't really appear to be the sort of site that can be used to establish claims of music certification. - Then come the claims regarding music awards; the article notes that the artist has been nominated multiple times in the South African Amapiano Music Awards. Given the relative recency of the Amapiano genre, and the lack of an apparent established awards series, I don't think that this would help meet the bar set in WP:NMUSIC#8 (i.e.
[h]as won or been nominated for a major music award, such as a Grammy, Juno, Mercury, Choice or Grammis award
).
- Overall, I'm not seeing anything that's indicating notability due to something subject-specific, but I don't have access to non-English publications that might have covered the artist significantly. As such, I leave the bold as a comment, but I'd lean towards deletion if WP:SIGCOV cannot be found. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 21:24, 27 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep, per below; it's not clear to me why the one RISA source that's cited in the article is wrong, but the link provided below is fairly convincing that "Mina Nawe" is certified at higher than gold (WP:NMUSIC#3) and that Soa Mattrix is the primary artist for the song. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 23:48, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Keep: Subject has a Double Platinum certified record and was also featured on a Platinum record certified by RiSA. It states here on a green source that the subject was nominated for two awards. Haven't done a full research but I believe that they pass #3 and #8 of WP:MUSICBIO, and here is the lengthy and in-depth detailed coverage. The subject also released a collaborative studio album with DJ Maphorisa titled Tintswalo (2021) through SME Africa with guest appearances from Kabza de Small, Boohle and Blxckie just to mention a few, they also released Finest (2022) also under SME Africa, of which I believe pass #5 of WP:MUSICBIO which states that: "Has released two or more albums on a major record label or on one of the more important indie labels (i.e., an independent label with a history of more than a few years, and with a roster of performers, many of whom are independently notable).".dxneo (talk) 03:35, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- @Dxneo: Can you provide a source that verifies the double platinum certification? I'm having trouble finding it in the source cited in the article for that claim, and I'm a bit doubtful as to the claim. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Red-tailed hawk, Here is the link to the official RiSA website, I also don't know why it does not appear when accessing that template generated source (which leads to the older version of the site).
Alternatively you can:- go to that cited source, then
- go to the hamburger option on the top right corner
- go to Certifications, then
- Gold & Platinum
- search "Soa Mattrix"
- I believe you'll now find two certified records, one certified Platinum and the other Double Platinum.
- Note that the subject already passed notability through #6 and #8 per WP:MUSICBIO. dxneo (talk) 11:20, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
- Red-tailed hawk, Here is the link to the official RiSA website, I also don't know why it does not appear when accessing that template generated source (which leads to the older version of the site).
- @Dxneo: Can you provide a source that verifies the double platinum certification? I'm having trouble finding it in the source cited in the article for that claim, and I'm a bit doubtful as to the claim. — Red-tailed hawk (nest) 05:13, 30 October 2023 (UTC)
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