Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stalin Society

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The result was no consensus‎. I wish we had had further discussion about existing sources but there have been no additional comments after two relistings so it's time to close this as No consensus. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:28, 22 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stalin Society

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Fails WP:ORG. Of the 14 sources given, only 3 are not self-published by the Stalin Society or its affiliates. Of the 3 sources that are not primary sources, the Stalin Society is only mentioned in passing, as an affiliation of individuals the authors are criticising. A search on Google, Google Books, and Google Scholar returns zero reliable sources with in-depth coverage of the organisation. Yue🌙 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Yue🌙 03:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Organizations and United Kingdom. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:42, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per nom Orange sticker (talk) 15:43, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep coverage isn’t great but without too much searching I found this from The Independent, this Google book snippet and this from an independent (hostile) source. The article itself is well-written, neutral and discusses the society’s views by (correctly) referencing its own statements. Mccapra (talk) 22:13, 1 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That piece by The Independent is cited in the article, but it suffers from the same issue as the book excerpt you linked: the coverage isn't in-depth. A lot of failed political candidates and local quacks would have their own articles if mere mentions sufficed. Yue🌙 01:28, 2 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep On no other platform (pardon the pun), could I imagine defending (and again!) The Stalin Society, but here goes. So the archive of the Weekly Worker (weekly newspaper of the CPGB) turns up quite an amount of material (eg Stalin Society v CPGB). The Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations: Parties, Groups and Movements of the 20th Century p.167 has a small entry on the Society. Johann Hari had a full page, 800 word piece from 2002 in the New Statesman: "Comrades up in arms" 6 October 2002, Vol. 131 Issue 4591, p28. This 2014 piece "Void Pasts and Marginal Presents: On Nostalgia and Obsolete Futures in the Republic of Georgia" from Slavic Review has multiple mentions and discussions of the Stalin Society in Georgia. Pasess the WP:GNG, WP:NEXIST. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 14:43, 3 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree with the reliability and notability of some of the sources you brought up.
- The Weekly Worker is not the paper of the CPGB; it is the paper of an offshoot of an offshoot (NCP) of the CPGB, the CPGB-PCC. Those Wikipedia articles themselves lack significant coverage from reliable sources. A supermajority of the sources in both articles are from the CPGB-PCC or its sister organisations praising the CPGB-PCC.
- I am not surprised that the "Encyclopedia of British and Irish Political Organizations" contains a mention of the Stalin Society. But how is that mention significant or notable? I would argue that is not, given it is merely a brief mention.
- Admittedly a weaker rebuttal with this final point, but I would contend that, although a journalist covered the organisation in detail, there is still no obvious point of notability given in this Wikipedia article or otherwise. What has the Society done?
- Some of the previous editors of this Wikipedia article seem to believe that the British Stalin Society is the same Stalin Society in every other country. Do reliable sources make this connection? Is the Georgian and Bangladeshi Stalin Societies, for example, under the British one? Or are they merely inspired?
Yue🌙 18:13, 6 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. Editors arguing for a Keep, please note the comments from the nominator.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:31, 8 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:17, 15 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.