Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Starting hand

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Renaming the article can be a discussion that occurs on the article talk page. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:05, 11 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Starting hand

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Ugh. This might be a notable concept, but this article... is unreferenced and doesn't show the subject's notability. WP:TNT applies. Some other issues - well, for start, the concept of a starting hand goes beyond poker, it is used in many other card (and board) games. Not sure if there is a good redirect target (Texas hold 'em starting hands?). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:39, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• It's clear these articles in general are in need of some care. This is a trickier one given how bare the article is. Since we have a viable non-glossary target, redirect for the short-term, but the concept is much wider than Texas hold'em. If not redirect, keep but move to Poker starting hand as literally every book on playing poker is going to have sigcov of this concept, many going beyond Texas hold'em. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nut hand for a few example books from google books). —siroχo 06:03, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- nom even admits that it "might be a notable concept" and that nomination is based not on notability but on a lack of sources in the article, a state of affairs which is not relevant at AfD. A simple Gscholar search shows the depth and breadth of discussion about this topic. Central and Adams (talk) 06:24, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: Is a notable concept. AfD is not cleanup, even as the article could stand some work in terms of getting good sources added. User:Let'srun 14:35, 28 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - This is a clear encyclopedic/dictionary style term that is widely used and known.KatoKungLee (talk) 14:40, 29 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Several options, including retitling and redirect, along with Delete and Keep are being floated. It would be nice if these options were grounded in policy or reliable sources offered.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:45, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep The article is a notable concept and is a well known part of Poker and Poker-related card games. IncompA 08:25, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.