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The result was KEEP. Random Fixer Of Things (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Steven Haberman (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
Contested prod. AFAICT, The reason given for contesting the prod is that he's a dean. Do we need an article on every dean? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 03:21, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Why "AFAICT"? I removed the prod tag and said "remove prod - head of department at major university". Does that leave any doubt that it's contested? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Because I couldn't tell if "dean of School of Mathematics" was exactly the same as "head of major department". I still don't find either a claim of notability, but then I'm used to seeing administrative chores rotate among the victims. What has he done? Septentrionalis PMAnderson 20:15, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. Why "AFAICT"? I removed the prod tag and said "remove prod - head of department at major university". Does that leave any doubt that it's contested? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:16, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Lean keep. Professor in UK university is more prestigious than in US. Well-published and well-cited according to Google Scholar. --Dhartung | Talk 04:24, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- Pete.Hurd (talk) 07:28, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep As stated, UK 'professor' is more prestigious (usually equivalent to head of university department) and not merely a teacher, as is the usual use of the word in USA. Emeraude (talk) 13:31, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- While UK & US are different, they're not so different as all that. Professor in the USA is not equivalent to "teacher"; it includes research responsibilities. Technically, "Professor" indicates a fully tenured faculty member, i.e., someone with significant research accomplishments (tenure is rarely if ever granted for teaching no matter how great; it is granted as a recognition of scholarship & research). "Assistant professor" means someone on the tenure-track with both research and teaching responsibilities. "Lecturer" in the US indicates someone at a university with teaching responsibilites only, no research responsibilities. --Lquilter (talk) 22:22, 6 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- This only applies to universities and some colleges. In most smaller colleges, significant research is not expected or required. Even I do not think that professors in non-research universities & colleges in the US are necessarily notable academics. DGG (talk) 02:30, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. If dean of School of Mathematics at City University isn't enough to make him notable per WP:PROF, then how about >500 citations listed by Google Scolar? Phil Bridger (talk) 20:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- That search returns 85 articles for me, and some of those are for G. Haberman or SJ Haberman, who are other people.
- I said >500 citations, not >500 articles. Add up the numbers where it says "Cited by nn" under each article and you'll get the number of other articles in the Google scholar database which reference Haberman's works. Each one of these is a reliable source which contributes to his notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 22:28, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- But if they're a claim to notability, please find what they've accomplished and put it in the article. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 21:21, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep We do not have the responsibility of deciding what mathematical publications are notable--other mathematicians do. They evaluate it when them make appointments. The top position in actuarial science at a very major university for the applied sciences in the UK goes of course to one of the most notable people in the UK in his subject. They establish the notability, we just record it. That he is Dean as well shows the wider university recognizes his distinction. DGG (talk) 01:44, 8 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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