Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Steven Harris Ramdev

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The result was delete. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 18:52, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Steven Harris Ramdev

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Fails WP:NARTIST. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Artists-related deletion discussions. Theroadislong (talk) 16:49, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Karnataka-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:05, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article fails to demonstrate that this individual has been the subject of in-depth enduring coverage required to meet Wikipedia:Notability (people), and nor has his art been the subject of critical commentary etc required to meet WP:ARTIST. You can't construct 'notability' around a letter of praise. AndyTheGrump (talk) 17:12, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject fails WP:ANYBIO as well as NARTIST. This might be a case of WP:TOOSOON; let's wait for obituaries. Chris Troutman (talk) 17:51, 7 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:ANYBIO, WP:PROMO, WP:SPA --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 14:47, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As per Wikipedia's notability criteria, the entity must have atleast 2 reputed articles that is not just a mention, but the entire story must be of the entity. In this case there are 35 articles and more written about the entity in detail. The letter of praise is from the World's most powerful man Prime minister of India Narendra Modi and the entire news is completely about the entity Steven Harris. Also, the entity has been mentioned for other notable achievements like the WorldSkills and also the Painting competition for which the articles have been given citation. I kindly request the panel to please go through the news publications in detail and research about the same. I strongly believe the entity has enough news coverage as per Wikipedia's guidelines and I would like to appeal for the non-deletion of this page. I also request all the editors and contributors to help the newcomers with the relevant information and not discourage them or delete their articles. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 16:46, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Is there any particular reason why you keep referring to the subject of this biography as an 'entity'? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:56, 8 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I am referring to the person in a more formal and a professional tone. The editors suggested that when we are describing someone or something, it has to be in a neutral way. So I am referring to the subject of this biography as an entity. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 04:05, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Well don't. It is disrespectful. AndyTheGrump (talk) 04:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. So please refer to the claims that I have mentioned about Mr.Steven Harris. Please do your research. I am confident that I have included everything as per the references from various news sources about the person. I would like to appeal for the non deletion of this page. As per Wikipedia's notability guidelines, Mr. Steven Harris has enough news articles (minimum 2 as per Wikipedia guidelines) to be considered notable. Thanks. Indiantal"entnews123 (talk) 06:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Even if we supposed that Narendra Modi was actually the "World's most powerful man" receiving a letter from him is NOT notable and does nothing to establish his notability as an artist. Theroadislong (talk) 07:02, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

How about doing a little research yourself, ndiantalentnews123. You could start by actually reading the Wikipedia notability guidelines, since you clearly haven't if you think that 2 'news articles' are sufficient to meet standards. They aren't. Not remotely. Not if they merely repeat the same transient page-filler journalism. Notability is demonstrated through depth of coverage, not repetition of the same shallow feel-good fluff. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:20, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have read them. They are not just mere publications. It covers the in-depth information about the artist. Please read the articles again completely. I know 2 articles aren't sufficient, I just specified what Wikipedia has mentioned. As per your comments, Mr.Steven Harris had enough articles written about him in depth about him being a notable artist and also his achievements. It's very well covered by the Indian Press. There is enough depth of coverage. I again appeal for the non-deletion of this page. Once the page is agreed for non-delation, as a community we can improve the article's writing, remove repeated stuff and improve the neutral point of view. That would encourage us and also make sure we don't make mistakes while including the needed content. Thanks. It's a kind request. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 07:25, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Which of the criteria listed in WP:ARTIST is met? There are four. Provide evidence for at least one. AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Oh great, thanks for letting me know about this. You just made the job easier.

The person has received a well-known and significant award or honor, or has been nominated for such an award several times; Mr. Steven Harris has received an Honorary Letter of Appreciation from the Prime minister of India. The news coverage also covers about the 100 awards and recognitions that Mr.Steven had received. Multiples reputed news sources have confirmed the same. You can check all the news articles.

2. The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors. Mr.Steven is appreciated by various celebrities and recognised people of India.

3. The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work. Mr. Steven had made 2 paintings of Prime Minister of India. These paintings have been published in major news articles and talks about the finesse of the works. Please check the news articles.

I hope this information is sufficient enough to prove that Mr.Steven Harris is notable for his works and achievements as per the criteria mentioned and also has enough news articles from reputed sources to be included. Thanks Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 08:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An "Honorary Letter of Appreciation from the Prime minister of India" is NOT a a well-known and significant award or honour. Theroadislong (talk) 09:03, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A letter is not 'a well-known and significant award'. None of the sources even remotely suggest that Steven Harris Ramdev is 'regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors'. And the two paintings have clearly not been the primary subject of meaningful reviews as artwork anywhere. I suggest you stop wasting people's time with this nonsense, since you aren't going to convince anyone with such ridiculous claims. This is a young man who apparently has some artistic talent. Good for him. Maybe he will someday develop his talents enough to merit an article in Wikipedia. As for now, he hasn't. Not remotely. AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:09, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please mind your language Mr.Andy. You just want to delete this page for your selfish reasons and that's pure nonsense. The ridiculous fact is that a senior like you can't bear the fact that an article created by a newcomer is rated c-class and accepted by the articles of creation as well. Please stop targeting this page. There are other thousands of articles on Wikipedia that doesn't even qualify for basic standards. This article for Mr.Steven qualifies all the parameters and you can't deny that. Stop this conversation. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 09:58, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Given that it would probably be contrary to the spirit of Wikipedia:Civility to respond to that by using the word 'delusional', I won't... AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:06, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Biden (more usually his office) sends out letters of appreciation all the time- it's not considered a high honor. The high honor is the Presidential Medal of Freedom, a specific award. 331dot (talk) 08:57, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And while we are at it, can I have a clear explanation for why, when the sources seem to all refer to this individual as 'Steven Harris', does our article call him 'Steven Harris Ramdev'? What is the source for 'Ramdev'? AndyTheGrump (talk) 07:51, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"India at WorldSkills Competition 2022: 2 Silver, 3 Bronze and 13 Medallion for Excellence Medals – Curriculum Magazine" "Graphic Design Technology" I hope this is sufficient. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 08:53, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sufficient for what? AndyTheGrump (talk) 09:00, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sufficent for the name confusion. Steven Harris Ramdev is clearly mentioned in these sources. First do your research properly and then ask questions. Don't just bring up issues for no reason. That's ridiculous. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 09:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Your source here [1] does NOT mention Ramdev please don't insult our inteligence. Theroadislong (talk) 10:08, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

https://worldskills2022se.com/skills/graphic-design-technology/

https://worldskills.nsdcindia.org/special-edition-2022.php

Check these sources again. It clearly mentions. Please check your intelligence again. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 10:15, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We still haven't had any explanation as to why we should use a name found in very few sources, rather than the name given in the majority. It isn't particularly unusual for someone to be known by different names, but if we are going to chose one rather than another, we'd need a good reason to use the less common one. AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:17, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The name issue probably belongs on the talk page of the article not here. Theroadislong (talk) 10:37, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, you're probably right. Seems an odd decision though... AndyTheGrump (talk) 10:59, 9 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly. So as discussed, I appeal for the non deletion of this page and please consider the news sources for Mr.Steven Harris. I have created this article and we can definitely improve it rather than deleting it. I am very confident that the article for Mr.Steven Harris deserves to be on Wikipedia and goes well with respect to the notability guidelines. I have come across many biography articles on Wikipedia and some of them don't even have enough number of articles or it's quite vague.

I will make sure the templates added by the contributors will not be removed further, instead we can discuss the same and improve the article. I totally respect their decisions. But please, this is my first article and I have tried my best to learn and improve it. I will definitely adhere to the rules and will learn more. Please encourage by not deleting this page and please do remove the deletion template. We can definitely improve the quality of writing without any biases. Looking forward to a positive response. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 04:57, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I will be very honest, the conversations are getting really confusing now. It's confirmed that the name is right and there are no issues in using them as long as we have the right authenticated sources. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 04:52, 10 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree on all notability complaints. Subject has not received significant coverage in multiple reliable and intellectually separate sources. The reliable sources are simply mentions of prizes in competitions that focus on worker skills. Although exceptionality in some of those skills might warrant a degree of notability, I highly doubt winning prizes in Graphic Design Technology, which does involve art but is hardly about artistry (also see the PDF) does. Additionally, I couldn't find any famous past winners of WorldSkills whatsoever. The other sources were short mentions in a handful of unreliable (web) press releases. Their depth is unsubstantial and they are mostly primary. A letter of appreciation from PM Modi does not indicate notability; he even personally wrote one to all(?) Indian covid vaccinators. But besides all notability issues, the entire article has very little encyclopedic value - it's a list of marginally significant prizes. Douweziel (talk) 01:24, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay then, Mr.@Douweziel. There are many articles with very less notability and hardly any articles. Why don't you look into them as well and why target only this page? Those articles have been there for years with hardly 2-3 news sources. This kind of discussion never happened in those pages. Again, I strongly appeal for the non-deletion of this page, instead, we can contribute and improve it better. Please remove the article from this deletion talk. Thanks. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 05:52, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Please read other stuff exists. The existence of other poor articles that have not yet been addressed by a volunteer does not mean more poor articles can be added. Volunteers work on what they can when they can, and can only address what they know about. You are welcome to help us out by identifying other poor articles so action can be taken. We need the help. 331dot (talk) 08:59, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As mentioned, that's an OSE. If the existence of other low-quality articles (which is a given) is an argument for not targeting any specific low-quality article, low quality cannot be addressed.

If your purpose is changing my mind, or the minds of others with similar objections, I recommend refuting the arguments or proposing new ones. Douweziel (talk) 22:14, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, this article is obvious promo. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 06:12, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Its not a promo. Please do your research. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 07:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

very dissapointed with the community. This is so wrong to target the articles of newcomers. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 07:33, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
You are not being "targeted" because you are a newcomer. Your poor article has been nominated for deletion because it does not seem to meet the criteria. This is done with all such articles when they are identified. If you had taken the time to learn what is looked for, and perhaps practiced by editing existing articles first- as we usually recommend- you would have the knowledge needed to understand what we are looking for. 331dot (talk) 09:02, 12 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a poor article. Just because I removed the templates doesn't mean you guys have to go hard on me. I'm sure some of the articles are not even discussed for deletion even though they have hardly any articles. So stop this conversation and remove the deletion template asap. Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 12:11, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
We don't take orders from promotional accounts. And we aren't going hard on you: you were very lucky not to get blocked indefinitely for removing the deletion template. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Don't bludgeon the process, accept that the biography is going to be deleted, and move on, before your behaviour here attracts further sanctions. AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:21, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

...And even as I wrote that, Indiantalentnews123 has been blocked for harassment. [2] Clueless... AndyTheGrump (talk) 12:28, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Subject is not notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Allan Nonymous (talk • contribs) 00:02, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~ - Subject is notable Indiantalentnews123 (talk) 12:09, 13 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:GNG, WP:NARTIST, WP:RFNN, WP:SPAM, WP:NOTWEBHOST, and WP:TOOSOON. If this were any body, we would delete it as just not being notable, much less an artist. It has many of the red flags of notability, including laudatory language for ordinary activities; we are not mom's refrigerator. It's very barely contained spam. In 2023, everyone knows we are not a free web host; voting to keep is untenable. We are a charity, not a victim for bullying. By all I see, this person is just too soon for a WP article. Impossible. Bearian (talk) 14:48, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Douweziel. Best, GPL93 (talk) 17:26, 14 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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