Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stoplight (Basketball)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Wizardman 15:39, 30 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Stoplight (Basketball)

Hoax. The talk page shows several attempts to verify this without success. I was unable to verify any of it myself. Hoax or not it fails WP:BIO since no reliable sources are given to establish notability. MartinDK 17:13, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete does make quite the enthralling story but it seems like a WP:HOAX to me. Plm209^{(talk • contribs)} 17:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, agreed, it does seem like a hoax. Too bad actually. I'll give a shot at verifying it, but it doesn't look like that's going to happen. Most likely a hoax. Too bad. --HAL2008 talk 17:53, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a hoax. Acalamari 18:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Obviously a joke. Indef block the creator. --- RockMFR 18:29, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Speedier delete. Hoax, though a bit elaborate. Also move for block of author. Realkyhick 18:36, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Nonsense Corpx 19:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Strong delete Hoax, nonsense, and doesn't cite any references. — Wen li ^(contribs) 20:32, 25 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Unsure In the original discussion I had with NawlinWiki regarding the page, we had a lot of discussion about the context of the content of the article. As I was pointing out to him, Stoplight (and various other streetballers) are much like professional wrestlers. That is, they are real people about whom fictional stories are told. In Wikipedia articles regarding professional wrestlers, their stories are told from a primarily in-universe viewpoint, and so I followed that model when writing the article. I can go to greater lengths to emphasize the fictional nature of Stoplight's "accomplishments" because it seems the disclaimer at the beginning of the article was not sufficient. ("...the details regarding his accomplishments have largely been embellished... Even his supposed death was greatly exaggerated and most likely staged..." ) Of course, then there is the issue of notability. Which, short of scanning pages out of the various Austin, TX streetball magazines available, I don't really know how to prove the source's reliability. StreetballazCrunk 12:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)StreetballazCrunk[reply]
- Comment if articles on wrestlers are written from an in-universe perspective, that is the fault of those articles and not a model to be followed. Wikipedia:Writing about fiction is the relevant guideline, which should be followed in all articles of this kind. JulesH 14:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment See Kayfabe. That is the closest explanation I can find. You can't deem Stoplight a hoax or nonsense by virtue of his accomplishments simply because the entire idea is that they have been staged, worked, or somehow otherwise choreographed. Thus, I think the entire premise of this AfD debate is faulty to begin with. I will certainly volunteer to rewrite this article in order to better fit the Wikipedia standard, but to delete it completely is showing ignorance and intolerance of other, less mainstream cultures. StreetballazCrunk 11:44, 28 June 2007 (UTC)StreetballazCrunk[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletions. -- John Vandenberg 16:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.