Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Super Match

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus on Super Match. There are some suggestions to merge here, and while the sourcing in the article could be better, Xymmax' did present a source that gives a reasonable merit to the notability claims. There is no such defense on the Jijidae derby article however, and the consensus is reasonably clear to delete that one. Sjakkalle (Check!) 09:02, 27 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Super Match

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PROD contested by article creator, no reason provided. Original deletion rationale of "no evidence in reliable sources that this is a significant, notable football rivalry" remains a concern. Giant Snowman 12:00, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Giant Snowman 12:03, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am also nominating the following article for deletion because they both cover the same subject:

Giant Snowman 12:38, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What kind of 'evidence' and 'reliable source' do you want to verify its significance? All sorts of media in S.Korea say it is the biggest and fieriest derby match in S.Korea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.10.225.210 (talk) 15:17, 29 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Super Match and delete Jijidae derby

Rivaly of FC Seoul vs Suwon Samsung Bluewinsg is a world-famous and Super Match is best derby of K League

If the this derby is not notable, How can press in FIFA website. Please refer to FIFA website. http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/rivalries/newsid=1085354/index.html

Officialy, Anyang LG Cheetahs and FC Seoul are same club. So Jijidae derby have to delete and integrate to Super Match. Offcial K LeagueSuper Match records including Jjjidae derby (Anyang LG Cheetahs vs Suwon Samsung matches)Footwiks (talk) 12:50, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

You say it is "world-famous" (not supported by reliable sources) and you also say it is "best derby" (your personal opinion). You need to evidence notability. Giant Snowman 12:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Rivaly page of FIFA websites only introduce world-famous derby. Refer to FIFA website http://www.fifa.com/classicfootball/clubs/rivalries/newsid=1085354/index.html

Attendace records proved best derby in South Korea. K League Highest Attendance records.

#	Competition	Date	Home Team	Score	Away Team	Venue	Attedance	Notes
1	2010 K-League	2010-05-05	FC Seoul	4 : 0	Seongnam Ilhwa Chunma	Seoul World Cup Stadium	60,747	Children's Day
2	2010 K-League	2010-12-05	FC Seoul	2 : 1	Jeju United	Seoul World Cup Stadium	56,759	Weekend K-League Championship Final 2nd Leg
3	2007 K-League	2007-04-08	FC Seoul	0 : 1	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Seoul World Cup Stadium	55,397	Weekend
4	2011 K-League	2011-03-06	FC Seoul	0 : 2	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Seoul World Cup Stadium	51,606	Weekend 2011 Season Home Opener
5	2012 K-League	2012-08-19	FC Seoul	0 : 2	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Seoul World Cup Stadium	50,787	Weekend
6	2010 K-League	2010-04-04	FC Seoul	3 : 1	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Seoul World Cup Stadium	48,558	Weekend
7	2005 K-League	2005-07-10	FC Seoul	4 : 1	Pohang Steelers	Seoul World Cup Stadium	48,375	Weekend
8	2004 K-League	2004-04-03	FC Seoul	1 : 1	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Seoul World Cup Stadium	47,928	Weekend
9	2012 K-League	2012-05-05	FC Seoul	2 : 1	Pohang Steelers	Seoul World Cup Stadium	45,982	Weekend (Children's Day)
10	2003 K-League	2003-03-23	Daegu FC	0 : 1	Suwon Samsung Bluewings	Daegu Stadium	45,210	Weekend

High attendances at a match is no indication of notability. Lots of matches around the world have crowds of 40 or 50k on a daily basis. Giant Snowman 13:48, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

40 or 50k may not be a significant number in some countries, but considering the size of local football league fanbase in Korea it is a HUGE number. If you see the attendance record of other matches in Korea you will see its significance.

Keep Jijidae derby is exist until now. Suwon Samsung Bluewings and FC Anyang's match is it. FC Anyang have taken over Anyang LG Cheetahs's legitimacy.--Fetx2002 (talk) 12:53, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide an actual reason to keep the article, not just that it "exists". Giant Snowman 12:55, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In 2004, Anyang LG Cheetahs has moved to Seoul and changed the name to FC Seoul. In a instant, Anyang citizens lost supported team. So Anyang citizens were furious and they were founded team by their effort. That is FC Anyang. Anyang LG Cheetahs and FC Anyang's identities are recognized equal. Jijidae derby's another name is Original Classico. If different in their opinions, Footwiks is famous to other people's personality profanity. I only speak the truth.--Fetx2002 (talk) 14:02, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Super Match Fetx2002 tells a lie. Officialy Anyang LG Cheetahs and FC Seoul are same club. and FC Anyang is new club which founded in 2013. Please refer to official club prophile at K League website http://www.kleague.com/kr/sub.asp?avan=1006010000&league_id=3&team_id=K27& and check out official founding year.

Suwon Samsung and FC Anyang rivaly called not jijidae derby. It is called as Original classico and had a just one match with small spectators in May 2013. Therefore this match is not notable also in South Korea and Definaltely not notble in the World. Controller have to this article in English Wikipedia. Footwiks (talk) 13:04, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 02:16, 28 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:39, 4 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or redirect to Super Match Jijidae derby have to be delteted or redirected to Super Match. This is very obvious without discussion. Super match is including jijidae derby. Why same contents exist in English Wikepedia? Currently Super Match article including jijidae derby results. New jijidae derby Suwon Samsung vs FC Anyang is not notable in Korea and just one matches happend in May. Article regarding football rivaly with just one match have to be deleted. Footwiks (talk) 04:51, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep on Super Match, delete Jijidae Derby. There is some support even in English language sites for this match being the most notable in South Korea, see this article. Though identified as a blog, it appears to be within the editorial control of the magazine publisher, and therefore an appropriate source under WP:NEWSBLOG. Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 13:25, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Super Match to Football in South Korea, delete Jijidae derby. Neither article meets WP:NRIVALRY for a standalone article. Miniapolis 13:48, 14 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Jijidae derby and Super Match are different. Jijidae derby is Suwon Bluewings and FC Anyang's rival match. There is no reason to delete or merge.--Fetx2002 (talk) 11:06, 15 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- If the Jijidae derby is Suwon Bluewings and FC Anyang's rival match, Definitely we delete Jijidae derby, There is not notabilty in South korea. Just done one match in May 2013 and We don't know that when next match happen, Because FC Anyang is 2nd division club. If the Jijidae derby is allowed, I think that all football match over the world can become derby match and we can created it on wikipedia.

Keep Super Match and definatley delete Jijidae derby .Footwiks (talk) 13:10, 17 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I said, Anyang LG Cheetahs supporters were founded team by their effort is FC Anyang. So Anyang LG Cheetahs and FC Anyang's identities are recognized equal. Therefore Suwon Bluewings and FC Anyang's relationship is established as a rival.--Fetx2002 (talk) 09:22, 20 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- FC Anyang is not founded by Supporters. Exactly, FC Anyang is founded by Anyang City Governmentd. And Suwon Samsung and FC Anyang's rivaly is not important. Although the rivaly is exist, It's don't have notablity, Just one match held and only both team supports are intertested inFootwiks (talk) 11:48, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  - You must read South London derby#Wimbledon and AFC Wimbledon. Millwall F.C. and Wimbledon F.C. were rivals. but in 2003 Wimbledon F.C. was relocation to Milton Keynes and in 2004 rebranding Wimbledon F.C. as Milton Keynes Dons F.C.. but now Millwall F.C. and AFC Wimbledon are rivals. Also Millwall F.C. and AFC Wimbledon are different division. Two teams were only met once in FA Cup. If your insistence is correct, Millwall F.C. and AFC Wimbledon's relationship can't established as a rival. What's the difference between South London derby and Jijidae derby?--Fetx2002 (talk) 18:30, 23 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Millwall v AFC Wimbledon

As of 9 November 2009.

	Played	Millwall wins	Drawn	AFC Wimbledon wins	Millwall goals	AFC Wimbledon goals
FA Cup	1	1	0	0	4	1
Total	1	1	0	0	4	1

Suwon Bluewings v FC Anyang

As of 8 May 2013.

	Played	Suwon wins	Drawn	FC Anyang wins	Suwon goals	FC Anyang goals
Korean FA Cup	1	1	0	0	2	1
Total	1	1	0	0	2	1

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