- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was delete. The delete arguments were clearly persuasive. However, I'm perverse enough to note that an article on the previous tour by this group was started at almost the same point in the planning cycle for the May 2007 tour (i.e., Nov. 2006). Pigman☿ 04:35, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Tangled Up Tour (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
This tour, by Girls Aloud in support of their Tangled Up album, is scheduled to begin in May 2008. No sources indicating notability appear on the page, which also fails WP:NOT#CRYSTAL and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY since it is mostly a list of venues and dates. AnteaterZot (talk) 00:14, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Jonathan Happy Holidays! 02:51, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete I agree with both reasons. --Freedom Bounty Hunter (talk) 03:30, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. jj137 ♠ Talk 04:23, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per not meeting WP:V and WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. LonelyBeacon (talk) 06:16, 9 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep It's a young article, and third party WP:RSs will become available in time. Rather unfair to target this when there are dozens of similar articles, although using very pop culture as a precedent seems to be the norm. Take a look at Category:Led Zeppelin concert tours, for example. The JPStalk to me 12:29, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Hey, did you hear that a ticket to tonight's Led Zeppelin reunion concert auctioned for $168,000? In 20 years, will anybody remember this prefab pop group? AnteaterZot (talk) 23:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep, the tour HAS been officially announced, clearly more references need to be added. Girls Aloud have clearly outdone other manufactured groups, as they've just released their fourth studio album. So the fact that they are a "prefab pop group" should not stop them from having a wikipage for their latest tour. BambooBanga (talk) 22:08, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is indeed POV to suggest that some popular groups are worthy of such articles whilst others aren't. I mentioned the LZ category as examples of similar 'directory' articles. The JPStalk to me 22:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I make no judgments based on the group, but the article has no sources that indicate the notability of the tour. Remember that notability is not inherited. AnteaterZot (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So you would have no problem deleting most of the articles in the Led Zepplin cat? The JPStalk to me 08:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If an article has no sources indicating notability, and no sources can be found, Wikipedia policy is that it be deleted. I have been considering what to do with all the tour articles, but so far have nominated only those for which the deletion case is very strong. I also think that the huge lists of gigs with the little flags violate policy. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sympathetic with some of your arguments, but not when it is based upon anti-pop culture bias ("very strong") and your POV assumption that a Girls Aloud tour is less notable or worthy than certain other bands. It is like how articles about popular television and video game characters are being targeted, whilst things like Nurse (Romeo and Juliet character) are left untouched. I'd like to see consistency, and would give more credence to your argument once I see some AFDs about bands with higher cultural capital. The JPStalk to me 08:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As you can see, people will argue to keep anything. I draw a lot of lightning as it is, research my activity over the past few days. Heck, I tried to ask for sources on quite a few tour articles. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this the first tour article that you've nominated at AFD? The JPStalk to me 08:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know. I nominated an Aerosmith tour a few hours later. AnteaterZot (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Also, I seem to have nominated a Van Halen tour. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know. I nominated an Aerosmith tour a few hours later. AnteaterZot (talk) 09:04, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Is this the first tour article that you've nominated at AFD? The JPStalk to me 08:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- As you can see, people will argue to keep anything. I draw a lot of lightning as it is, research my activity over the past few days. Heck, I tried to ask for sources on quite a few tour articles. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm sympathetic with some of your arguments, but not when it is based upon anti-pop culture bias ("very strong") and your POV assumption that a Girls Aloud tour is less notable or worthy than certain other bands. It is like how articles about popular television and video game characters are being targeted, whilst things like Nurse (Romeo and Juliet character) are left untouched. I'd like to see consistency, and would give more credence to your argument once I see some AFDs about bands with higher cultural capital. The JPStalk to me 08:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- If an article has no sources indicating notability, and no sources can be found, Wikipedia policy is that it be deleted. I have been considering what to do with all the tour articles, but so far have nominated only those for which the deletion case is very strong. I also think that the huge lists of gigs with the little flags violate policy. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:11, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- So you would have no problem deleting most of the articles in the Led Zepplin cat? The JPStalk to me 08:06, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I make no judgments based on the group, but the article has no sources that indicate the notability of the tour. Remember that notability is not inherited. AnteaterZot (talk) 00:53, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- It is indeed POV to suggest that some popular groups are worthy of such articles whilst others aren't. I mentioned the LZ category as examples of similar 'directory' articles. The JPStalk to me 22:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep given that a Google News search already shows coverage of the tour with no doubt more to come between now and next year. [1]. If not, merge with the album.Capitalistroadster (talk) 08:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Those sources say, "a tour is happening," which is not enough to justify a whole page. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know anything about Girls Aloud, but their page says they are "one of the most successful British pop groups". Taken at face value, and given that Capitalistroadster points out the tour is already receiving mainstream press attention, I would have thought this alone would be more than enough to satisfy any requirement for notability. Edelmand (talk) 12:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No. By that reasoning, if the one of the girls owned a red hotrod car that her brother souped up, and she was ticketed for speeding, and the mainstream press reported on it, we could have on article on the car, replete with a discussion of all the places she drove it. Notability is not inherited, and the tour might get cancelled. The page is also in violation of WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Unsure. Is the real issue here then that the tour has yet to take place? Upon the tour's completion, would it be deemed acceptably notable as a historical event, provided it was sourced with references? (I would have thought so) Edelmand (talk) 08:56, 13 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- No. By that reasoning, if the one of the girls owned a red hotrod car that her brother souped up, and she was ticketed for speeding, and the mainstream press reported on it, we could have on article on the car, replete with a discussion of all the places she drove it. Notability is not inherited, and the tour might get cancelled. The page is also in violation of WP:NOT#DIRECTORY. AnteaterZot (talk) 23:56, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- I don't know anything about Girls Aloud, but their page says they are "one of the most successful British pop groups". Taken at face value, and given that Capitalistroadster points out the tour is already receiving mainstream press attention, I would have thought this alone would be more than enough to satisfy any requirement for notability. Edelmand (talk) 12:15, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Those sources say, "a tour is happening," which is not enough to justify a whole page. AnteaterZot (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete per nom. Luckystars (talk) 18:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.