Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep. Cbrown1023 23:52, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE

The deletion of this article was overturned at WP:DRV and is now back up for discussion. Note that there is also an article Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE covering similar ground. This article has already been subject to major page move wars, so please do not move this article without consensus established at WP:RM. Procedural listing, so I have no opinion. trialsanderrors 03:19, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See related AFD discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_terrorist_incidents

Keep, but move to a different title, perhaps History of the LTTE. It could use some tidying too. KazakhPol 03:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:Please see LTTE, Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE and Assassinations attributed to the LTTE all well written articles, hence this one should be merged with one of them because it violates WP:NOTRaveenS 14:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but either retitle as a list or rewrite as not a list. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 09:43, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Please read WP:NOT We dont have places for lists in Wikipedia. Thanks RaveenS

Comment What on Earth are you talking about. "There is no place for lists in Wikipedia"? PLEASE, PLEASE read the policy you're quoting before actually mentioning it. Otherwise you run the risk of the of looking really foolish by completely misquoting a guideline. You also might want to read WP:LIST.

Comment Please read WP:NPA then from WP:NOT relevant section which says Wikipedia is not to be used for Propaganda or advocacy of any kind. Of course, an article can report objectively about such things, as long as an attempt is made to approach a neutral point of view. You might wish to go to Usenet or start a blog if you want to convince people of the merits of your favorite views. You can also use Wikinfo which promotes a "sympathetic point of view" for every article.. Can a list of so called terrorist incidents by one entity based entirely on one non WP:RS source be WP:NPOV. Remember we are all Wikipedians here, calling people foolish can only be counter productive.Thanks RaveenS 17:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input Savidan. As it is it I agree it should be renamed as "list of..." But the article is really a shell right now and is not yet complete. I'll try to improve it when my finals are over. Pictures are a real requirement and they are on the way. Can you check back in a few days? Peace. --snowolfD4^{( talk / @ )} 17:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Already there is an article called Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE that is WP:RS and WP:NPOV, over here there is no attribution just conclusions based on one non WP:RS source. Hence thius should be deleted and salavagable contents merged with above mentioned articleRaveenS 14:09, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: So Raveen, Could you produce that one non WP:RS source? ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:13, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. It can be better cited, but it's useful to have this list besides the "notable" ones, to be complete, and it makes sense to separate the two articles as well for those readers who don't want the full list. — coelacan talk — 21:32, 12 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: I don't see a need to have two articles on the same subject and I'm pretty much sure that's not how we give 'emphasis' to stuff here. The Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE has a complete compilation of all stuff and it's perfectly fine. I see the article being discussed, as a mere bulleted list of attacks with all external sources, just for the sake of having it. If there is anything to be appended or merged, it can be done to the Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE article from this. Leave alone policies, I really don't see a need to have two articles, both talking about the same subject. While Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE talks about everything and is fine, I don't see a need for the Terrorist attacks attributed to the LTTE to even exist for the very simple reason that it is a very poor mirror article. Either merge stuff to add value to the better article or just wipe this off, it doesn't serve any purpose!! Thanks Sudharsansn (talk • contribs) 15:51, 13 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge and Delete: Transfer the infomation that isn't already there to the Notable Attacks and then delete it.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharz (talk • contribs)

Keep: Each entries are well referenced with reliable sources such as OHCHR, BBC, CNN, Hindu. And the content wise this article hold much more occurrences than Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE article. ♪♫ ĽąĦĩŘǔ ♫♪ ^{Walkie-talkie} 20:05, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or merge. Merge those which are notable to Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE, but I suspect that all the notable ones are already there, so generally delete. If they're not notable then they obviously have no place on Wikipedia. _└ ^OzLawyer / _talk ^┐ 03:46, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep. I have made my points many times regarding this.If I sum them up ,

1. None of the incidents in the article are disputed

2 Not a single Sri Lankan(even the LTTE in many cases) don't disputed the terror they forced on civillians

3 sources are from ever where. And GOSL source can't be dismissed outright.I asked everyone to point out disputed incidents, but none came up with any ! If you need more please read the references which I added.Those are very good books written by experts of this situation.

4 I'm strongly against the merger this with "Notable attacks attributed to the LTTE" .That article surprisingly do not mention a single massacre carried out by the LTTE in the 1980's'.I do not know how the writer missed clear LTTE massacres,such as Aranthalawa,kent and dollar farm,Vallamundal,Kokilai,Dehiwatta,Mahadivuwela, Andakulam and etc(if I write the whole,even a day or two wont be enough!!)

So its obvious that the LTTE have carried out thousands if not more, number on attacks on Sinhalese civilians and that article hardly mention any of them.So I see no point merging with that article.--Iwazaki 12:26, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Every attack listed resulted in the death of at least five or six innocent people and therefore there can be no dispute over notability. There is also nothing wrong with using government documents in Wikipedia articles. It is the right of every government to record the deaths of its nationals. In any case it states "attributed to the LTTE" not "carried out by the LTTE". Also the overwhelimg consensus among the WIkipedia community is that the words like "terrorist incident" or "terrorist attack" are acceptable (see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/List_of_terrorist_incidents). And many of the incidents are sourced from nutral external sources like the BBC, CNN and the Hindu.

Also the articles should not be merged. The reason is the Notable attacks article was spun off from the main LTTE article due to article size issues. See this discussion for more info Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Notable_attacks_by_the_LTTE. It lists only the most notable of the LTTE attacks. Merging all content from this article into that one will seriously dilute the ability of a reader to view at once the most notable attacks carried out by the LTTE. --snowolfD4^{( talk / @ )} 22:00, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

KEEP These attacks are against the civilized world and caused deaths of thousands of innocents men, women, and children - both sinhalese and tamils. LTTE is responsible for the blood bath in the island. Please keep this article in the hope that LTTE will stop suicide bombs and recruitment of child soldiers one day! Supermod 18:46, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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