Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Huynh

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The result was delete. ✗plicit 02:42, 18 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Huynh

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Article fails WP:GNG and WP:NAUTHOR. None of the references in the article are third-party reliable sources that have significant coverage of the subject. They are all either non-independent sources or are discussing the book (for example the Vanderbilt student paper article which can be found archived here). The Authors@Google video is of him speaking and is a primary source (and not a particularly choosy host either, as their playlist has over 1,600 videos of various authors speaking).

The World Peace Game source is down but can be found archived here and is literally just a copy-paste of the subject's website. As for the Bloomberg article it's dead and I can't find any archive of it, but the URL makes it clear it's from their blog which suggests that it may fall under WP:RSOPINION, but I have no way to know if it's a trivial mention or what the context is, or if the article ever even existed, but even if it did and was not an opinion piece it would be the single source showing notability, and articles require multiple reliable sources per WP:GNG. Notability's just not there.

I searched online and could find nothing else that would support notability; there were a few Google Books results that quoted the book he wrote, but none that addressed him directly. Be aware when searching for sources that he is not the only person with the name Thomas Huynh so there's a few sources about people who happen to have the same name but are not this article's subject. Aoidh (talk) 02:10, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions. Aoidh (talk) 02:10, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Georgia (U.S. state)-related deletion discussions. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 09:45, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I can't find anything other than some editions of the book - book that he translated. Nothing in scholar. There is a mention of his book in Publisher's Weekly in an article about religious publishing houses. That's it. Lamona (talk) 21:05, 13 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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1. What is remarkable and significant is the importance of the book (along with the annotations) and the website (Sonshi.com) in providing a different perspective on how Sun Tzu’s principles can be applied in business and to inform better social culture. The book has been through five editions and is routinely cited as one of the major translations (see for example the recent review of Michael Nylan’s translation [1]).

2. The introduction to an interview with Bob Morris is used to establish the Bloomberg Businessweek accolade. Interviews are notoriously unreliable but the information cited comes from the introduction to that interview.

3. There is now a current link to the Vanderbilt website regarding his book and his time an Executive MBA there. This is an article written by a member of Vanderbilt’s press staff for Vanderbilt Business, a publication of the Owen Graduate School of Management at Vanderbilt. It’s not an entirely neutral, or independent source but it’s unusual for the magazine to publish an article about one of its students.

4. There have been thousands of Google Talks since its inception in November, 2008, but it seems hard to argue that Google invites speakers (who don’t work at Google) who are not notable.

5. The Google Talk cite also provides further evidence of how Huynh “teaches Sun Tzu's principles in business through Sonshi.com and as an conference speaker.” Novus Intellectus (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — Novus Intellectus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Novus Intellectus - the problem is sources, and I suggest looking at WP:N to understand what is required to support an article. Things like author bios (usually provided by the author), blog posts, and the author's own site do not support notability. You need reliable, third-party, independent sources. Lamona (talk) 15:16, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lamona, I'm grateful for your help. You probably noticed from the revision history that I tried to work on these issues but with little success. Novus Intellectus (talk) 16:24, 15 August 2022 (UTC)— Novus Intellectus (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

If your argument is that his translation is important, then that's an argument for the notability of the book, not the author, as notability is not inherited. However there's not even notability for the book itself as far as I can tell but that's a whole different discussion. As for Talks at Google, notability is not their determining factor in who to bring in for a talk, and is not what I am trying to argue. The point about the Talks at Google source is that it is a primary source, as all of the content comes directly from the author. As the author is obviously not independent of himself, it is not an independent source. Non-independent sources do not contribute to the notability of the subject, per WP:GNG. - Aoidh (talk) 20:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Novus Intellectus I believe i have fixed much of link issues to third-party sources, one being a published book. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ExchangeFORD (talk • contribs) 19:39, 15 August 2022 (UTC) — ExchangeFORD (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

You did add a lot of blogs and extremely trivial mentions, and the book you added is an example of a trivial mention (and what is being discussed in that book is Huynh's translation, not Huynh himself, aside from the initial "thanks for letting me use your work in my own" comment). None of these are significant coverage in third-party reliable sources as required by WP:GNG, as they are either not reliable (such as the blogs), or trivial. This article's subject simply doesn't have the coverage in reliable sources to warrant an article on Wikipedia, and your changes do not address this. - Aoidh (talk) 20:56, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The "World Peace" book did more than be gracious about the permission but on page 255: "I thank Thomas Huynh, founder of Sonshi.com, the Web's leading and most respected resource for Sun Tzu's Art of War" (https://www.google.com/books/edition/World_Peace_and_Other_4th_Grade_Achievem/bVxN2v1u1yQC?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=John+hunter+world+peace+game+thomas+huynh&pg=PA255&printsec=frontcover). The other source was from another published book "The Art of War for Small Business" that referenced Huynh's book eleven (11) times. They both seem to have high regard for Huynh and his work. Not "trivial" mentions as you contend. ExchangeFORD (talk) 23:00, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What you just quoted is a trivial mention, and not only that but is just a word-for-word copy of the author's website itself (go to "About the authors" and you'll see the same exact phrasing). There is nothing you could take from that to write into an article; it is trivial. As for the other book it does mention Huynh's book several times but as you said, it goes into (some) detail about Huynh's book, not about Huynh himself (though a lot of those references appear to be citations, not discussions of Huynh's book). This article is about Huynh, so we need significant coverage of Huynh. That's why the sources you added don't support notability for the subject. - Aoidh (talk) 08:19, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you intend to include a promotional page for a website builder in those sources? –Skywatcher68 (talk) 20:53, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I see no evidence that this person has received significant coverage in reliable, independent sources, and no evidence that he meets WP:AUTHOR. Cullen328 (talk) 17:51, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Does not appear to meet WP:NAUTHOR. Gusfriend (talk) 22:47, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Yeah I'm not seeing coverage that passes WP:GNG. -- BriefEdits (talk) 19:56, 17 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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