Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Transperth fare zone

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Those arguing to merge have not made a strong case for the existence of merge-worthy content, but I would be happy to provide a draftspace/userspace copy to anyone interested in developing content toward a merger. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:03, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Transperth fare zone

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The fare zone for each station is already at List of railway stations in Perth. The table will get more complicated under its current layout when the Airport railway line, Perth and Morley–Ellenbrook railway line open. Steelkamp (talk) 12:14, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Transportation-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 12:16, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Transperth. Deus et lex (talk) 12:55, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - a very peculiar ahistorical item that has a 2014 context and little understanding of the zones before or after the date - it could stand well if someone actually had a historical understanding and materials available - and could be developed in the complexity of the history of the zoning (which goes back outside the lifetime of most eds - Metropolitan (Perth) Passenger Transport Trust (1983), M.T.T. route map effective 1st October 1983, The Trust, retrieved 3 August 2021 ) - if the early transitions and developments are not adequately outlined here, there will have to be something similar to this article at some point. The List of railway stations has nothing to do with the issues that the fare zone title implies. I err on the side of doubt as to effectiveness of deletion, as the potential to adequately explain the geo-political developments of public transport in metropolitan perth are inadequately described so far, and this item could be utilised

In the event of editors keen on information that verges continually on the edge of WP:NOTGUIDE - I strongly urge against merging, or playing with the information in this 2014 oddity, keep or delete and very strong doubts that it relates to current zones exactly - they do change over time - either subtly or grossly JarrahTree 13:02, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - merging is bizarre to say the least, the potential historical context, no one seems to get at all - better gone JarrahTree 00:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Transperth, not the railway list. Not just relevant to railways but to all Transperth services. There could plausibly be an article about Transperth zoning, but this is not it. The Drover's Wife (talk) 13:32, 3 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. All the train stations are summarised with their zones in List of railway stations in Perth. The rest of the content is just summarised from the zone map on the Transperth official website. A brief paragraph in the ticketing section of Transperth is all that is needed to describe zones, we don't need a comprehensive list of every station in every zone, we're not a travel guide. Ajf773 (talk) 10:06, 4 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unencyclopedic railway cruft that gives no substantial knowledge to our readers. –Davey2010^Talk 21:39, 8 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I note none of the above delete comments are consistent with WP:ATD (apart from Ajf773 who is suggesting a merge anyay). There is a clear alternative to deletion. The "historical context" cited by Jarrahtree in the struckthrough comment is relevant for merging too. Deus et lex (talk) 10:24, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't see the point in merging this article anywhere. Currently the article is just 1 sentence and a table. The same information in the table is in the table at List of railway stations in Perth, and there is already more information on fare zones at Transperth, so there is no point in merging there. Steelkamp (talk) 10:36, 9 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment - Jarrahtree has explained (although struck his comment for some unknown reason) that there is a history in the zoning and sources for it - so there is scope to merge and better incorporate the information. Deus et lex (talk) 10:24, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

- Explanation - it could have been a useful template for a historical overview of the development of the zone system - however the research required appears to be beyond either the imagination or capacity the current set of editors, and it would be better to delete this item - and leave it out of the way of the whole set of the large amount of rail and bus information that is all so close to WP:NOTGUIDE items that accompany information about terminals or routes and so on... The history is required but not easily available - as you saw there are signs that there might be enough info for a history of - but there are aspects of the form that would be better based on a specific template - and not use this item as the base. Hope that explains. JarrahTree 11:41, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.