Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Travis MacRae

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was No consensus. No matter how anyone closes this AfD, there's bound to be some people who disagree, so I'd better clarify my analysis of this AfD:

I count four valid delete comments and two valid keep comments. That is insufficient consensus to delete.

• All delete comments are valid except for Teflon carmichel (a new user with only one contrib: to this AfD), which means there are four comments to delete.
• Only the following keep comments are valid, which means there are two comments to keep:
  • Joanberenguer
  • Siva1979

• The following keep comments are invalid:
  • Jeffleeds, a user with just 19 edits, all of which are solely on the subject of Travis MacRae.
  • Jennifer C, a new user (created 20 May 2006) with six edits to her (or his) user page and one edit to this AfD
  • Williamgay, a user with just six edits, all of which are solely on the subject of Travis MacRae.

--Deathphoenix ʕ 15:37, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence in the article that seems to claim notability corresponds to any of Wikipedia's notability standards. For example, while the artist has released several albums, none were on a significant label (those mentioned lack articles themselves). Again, while the artist has been featured in a publish work, that work was not demonstrated as non-trivial. Furthermore, parts, if not much, of the article is POV and appears to be original research. Shadow box 17:12, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete No real notability established in the article, no major (or semi-major) labels, and no AllMusic entry. -- Kicking222 18:00, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep AllMusic is no Bible and although he hasn't published in a major or semi-major label he has indeed published 4 (FOUR!) albums in a record label, and I don't think it's fair to only consider major labels as the ones that publish good or important records. --Joanberenguer 20:54, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not on allmusic, states he's on iTunes but not (or at least not the UK store I connect to). Notability not established. Just zis Guy you know? 21:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Maybe he's in the iTunes Music Store from Canada (not ALL albums are available in ALL iTunes Music Stores). --Joanberenguer 00:18, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • An artist's presence on iTunes, or lack thereof, is not necessarily a measuring stick of notability. Anyone, no matter how insignificant can submit their music to iTunes. Also, there is the case of significant artists who disagree with their policies and refuse to sell through iTunes. shadow box 04:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per Kicking222. Stifle (talk) 14:46, 18 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I recently saw Travis' interview in "Sing Out!" Magazine. This article goes on to discuss MacRae's huge following in the folk music scene and his significant relevance in "carrying the torch" of folk & folk-blues music. Other artists who are covered in this magazine, but at a time were not on major labels are Pete Seeger, Bob Dylan, Woody Guthrie and Son House. I have verified that his music is on iTunes and feel his rapidly growing popularity makes this article highly relevant.

Jeff Leeds 03:58, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • See my comment to William below, shadow box 07:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This article adheres to Wikipedia's notability as follows:

1) He has four albums over the past six years on an independent label. With a large label debut scheduled for this year. 2) Many performers on his previous albums have been more than notable in the independent music scene. He has also collaborated with notable blues musicians and had his songs covered by many. 3) He has been featured in multiple journals, magazines and television programs; the most recent of which was an article in "Sing Out!" magazine. 4) He has become known as a figure head in the resurgance of the folk and folk-blues style. 5) He has been nominaed for several east coast awards for his albums, and won several music competitions. 6) He has had his music in rotation on major radio networks. 7) He is frequently referenced or covered in publications devoted to the folk and folk-blues sub culture. William Gay 04:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• • Comment Wonderful! This article, if not deserving of deletion, sorely needs an expert to clean it up and demonstrate the artist's notability (remembering, of course, to cite sources). However, as it stands, none of the qualities you mentioned are in the article. shadow box 07:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I recently picked up Travis' CD at NYCD in Manhattan and was pleased to stumble on this page. After listening through his CD once, I am confident that this site will continue to garner interest and grow as he rises to what I'm certain will be a bright star.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jennifer C (talk • contribs) .
• Delete only 385 hits on Google—many of which may be for other travis macraes—the top result being the Wikipedia entry. Notability not established. Teflon carmichel 01:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Strong Keep per William Gay and expand on the qualities being mentioned by this user. --Siva1979^{Talk to me} 01:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.