Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trudy Monk

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to List of Monk characters#Trudy Monk. Sandstein 12:43, 26 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trudy Monk

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A year ago I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline nor the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (fiction) supplementary essay. WP:BEFORE did not reveal any significant coverage on Gnews, Gbooks or Gscholar." It was deprodded by User:BD2412 with the following rationale "a better solution would be to merge and redirect these articles to a List of characters in Monk". We do have List_of_Monk_characters#Trudy_Monk but since the article discussed here is just a plot summary, with nothing rescuable to merge (in terms of reception, analysis, etc.), I'd suggest that a simple redirect will suffice. In the spirit of WP:PRESERVE and WP:SOFTDELETION, there is no need to hard delete history. Note that the content in the target list of characters is nearly identical to what we have here, so POVFORK is an issue too. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:48, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect as proposed. Unfortunately, WP:PROD is a one-size solution that involves deletion of the page history. Perhaps the solution would be to develop a PROD-adjacent policy for redirecting a title. BD2412 T 16:20, 19 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @BD2412 I thought I did propose something like this, calling it "proposed redirect", a while ago somewhere, but I can't find out where it was, and obviously it didn't attract much attention. My idea was to have a pararell system to PRODs, with templates and categories, but one that would explicity result in soft deletion rather than hard. Ironcally, if memory serves, it was torpedoed by a certain now-topc banned inclusionist who ranted against it due to his opposition to anything that "makes deletion easier"... shrug. I'd be happy to support such a proposal if you ever make it. In either case, I often try to suggest redirect targets in my PRODs, and sometimes the closing admin pays heed. Sadly, this is not always the case, and I've also found myself asking closers to undelete the harmless history, but it's hit or miss, sometimes they don't care, and sometimes it's too much effort for me to bother pushing them for it. Sigh. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:52, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • If you renew this proposal, I will support it vociferously. BD2412 T 03:32, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    That might work. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 05:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    Not opposed to the idea either, but how does it significantly differ from just a redirect, other than a timer? Jclemens (talk) 15:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

    • The timer, and notice on the page, would be an improvement over boldly redirecting, where there might be an objection that would lead to an AfD. BD2412 T 16:01, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to List of Monk characters#Trudy Monk: Trudy Monk does not have any significant coverage in reliable sources. Since all of the sources are primary, there is nothing to merge. ―Susmuffin ^Talk 03:17, 20 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Susmuffin. Trudy barely makes a handful of appearances (in flashback, of course) in the entire series. Clarityfiend (talk) 05:10, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.