Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Udo Prambs (2nd nomination)

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The result was delete. Maxim_(talk) 13:56, 14 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Udo Prambs

Non-notable chef. This was already through AfD once before, in 2005, and was deleted then, but I don't know how similar the two versions are. A chef in Campbell, California and Dayton, Ohio doesn't seem particularly notable. If he were a four-star chef who writes well-received cookbooks, that might be a different story. Corvus cornix_talk 18:53, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Non-representative summary. He is not a chef in Campbell, California; he is a Chef Instructor at the Professional Culinary Institute there. He was a chef in St. Moritz, Switzerland. And at Hunstrete House near Bath, England, as well as the Four Seasons Hotels in London and Hampshire. And in Eilat, Israel, at the Neptune Hotel. And in Venice, Italy. And in Stuttgart, Berlin, and Munich. And at L'Auberge, in Dayton, Ohio. The only one you mentioned accurately is perhaps the least notable; L'Auberge only has a four-star rating, and that only for the past 17 years. The rest are 5-star. Maybe he is an actual chef, and not a book author? Could that still be notable? Eleven even (talk) 19:33, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

According to the article, he worked in Five Star European hotels and restaurants including the Kulm Hotel (Switzerland), Maritim Group (Germany), Da Ivo (Italy), Four Seasons Group and Hunstrete House (England), and the Neptune Hotel (Israel). Based on the article, he might have been a busboy. Corvus cornix_talk 19:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ha ha. He is a chef. The work a chef does is cooking. Eleven even (talk) 19:54, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But really your comment did give me pause. So I researched a little; he started his career in Germany. Before he left for Switzerland, he was a Certified Master Chef, a Certified Master Restaurateur, and a Certified Master of Hospitality Business. Overqualified to be a busboy. Eleven even (talk) 20:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And I saw pictures of his work; Tear drop Salmon, slow poached in olive oil & filled with asparagus served on a rectangle of chardonnay sauce with beads of beluga caviar, and wild sauteed mushrooms in an asparagus crown served on a yellow pepper sauce. Gorgeous. Eleven even (talk) 20:13, 28 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete He's a bit of a borderline case because he's "notable" to the extent of doing product endorsements. However, I couldn't find any mention of him that wasn't an independent reference. Mangoe (talk) 04:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

BTW I found the page from 2005 quoted elsewhere: I can see why it was deleted. I copied it to the article's talk page. Eleven even (talk) 05:02, 1 March 2008 (UTC) Also, Udo is included in a list of 28 top US chefs, including Wolfgang Puck, Julia Child, Jeff Smith (the Frugal Gourmet), Paul Prudhomme, and James Beard, here [1]. Eleven even (talk) 05:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC) He's on page 2 of this web listing of "Celebrity Chefs". a[2] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eleven even (talk • contribs) 05:34, 1 March 2008 (UTC) OK I'm reaching. Didn't I say somewhere that I wasn't attached to this article? Eleven even (talk) 05:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

comment, based on the lack of opinions (only three editors participating to date), and the recent introduction of new assertions of notability brought by User: Eleven even, I'm relisting this for a stronger consensus. Abstaining, this is not an endorsement of keeping or deleting this article. Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 20:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete unless 3rd party reference is provided.--House of Scandal (talk) 21:50, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I kind of want to keep this due to his job here and this article does seem to have some mention of him (but I can't see, it's a paid access site :(). However, I can't find anything else so his notability seems to be very limited. Delete with no prejudice to recreation if more solid sources are later found. -- Naerii · plz create stuff 18:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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