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The result was speedy keep. Deletion rationale has been refuted - both verifiable and true. Isofar as "only a word" refers to WP:DICT, this deletion argument has also been shown to be wrong. No delete !votes standing (non-admin closure) Pgallert (talk) 12:00, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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It is not a crime to be caught "uttering". "Uttering" is not the crime, but is just a word being used to describe a crime such as “uttering of false money”, or “uttering and publishing an alleged fictitious instrument in writing", or “forgery and the uttering of a forged instrument”. The word “uttering” in itself, is just a word, and the act of “uttering”, in itself, is not a crime. This article should be deleted as it is false and unverifiable. Securel (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. I'm not sure I even understand the rationale for the nomination. Uttering is clearly a crime in several countries. See the sources in the article (e.g., "Forgery per se is not a crime. The crime is uttering, i.e. using as genuine a fabricated writing falsely intended to pass as genuine the writing of another person."[1]) or this quote: "Uttering (Va. Code 18.2-172) is a separate and distinct offense from forgery. The crime of forgery is complete when the accused has made or altered the writing with the intent to defraud. The crime of uttering occurs when the accused uses or attempts to use a forged writing..."[2] Yes, I suppose something must be uttered just as something must be stolen, someone must be murdered, &c., but that doesn't preclude having an article under those titles at Wikipedia. — AjaxSmack 00:08, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Strong Keep Numerous sources in the article show that "Uttering" is indeed the crime.
- This criminal law book for example has a section headed "The crime of uttering." It goes on to say: "When a forged check is presented for payment, the felony of uttering has been committed. The Supreme Court of Virginia defined the crime of uttering...."
- This book has a separate section, again headed simply "Uttering" which says for example: "Figure 3–6 outlines the elements required for the crime of uttering."
- Crime: Computer Viruses to Twin Towers - Page 29: "The crime of uttering consists of offering a forged document as true and genuine, ..."
- Criminal law and procedure p132: "In many jurisdictions, forgery and uttering are separate crimes."
- The article is clearly verifiable and the nominator is incorrect in describing it as false. Valenciano (talk) 07:32, 25 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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