Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virtuoso Universal Server

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was DELETE. Only one editor ( Petri Krohn) supported the article, while there were four clear Delete votes. Even the article creator (Kingsley_Idehen) only supported the concept and article Universal server rather than this brand-name version. Herostratus 16:16, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Further comment by closer: while it is true that little argument was offered by the nominator or the Delete commentators, Petri Krohn, while arguing far more fully, did not actually offer any indications or proofs of notability, and his actions as noted below make his neutral good faith on the article suspect. Herostratus 16:31, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Advertisement for a product created by its author, KingsleyIdehen (talk · contribs). waffle iron ^talk 22:44, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Also nominating:

• universal server - created as to support the other article and has no other use.

• Comment - You are wrong about not having relevance outside "Virtuoso" context. The article now has six incoming links from articles not related to OpenLink/Virtuoso. -- Petri Krohn 22:22, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment And most if not all of those links were created by Mr Idehen. --waffle iron ^talk 22:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment Quite possible, but irrelevant. The decent thing to do, after creating a new article, is seaching if the article name or similar phrase exist in other articles and linking. That is what I have done hundreds of times for new articles and redirect I have created. (See expectation of privacy, water planet, german states... ) -- Petri Krohn 12:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. SM247^{My Talk} 23:00, 28 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom, all of it. Tychocat 01:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both, non-notable advertising. --Coredesat talk 04:00, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete both per above. —Hanuman Das 17:36, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment As indicated on the Talk page, Virtuoso Universal Server is a product name. This page is supposed to be a simple product description page since "Virtuoso Universal Server" can only imply a product name. As for universal server. What would you call a product that implements NNTP, HTTP, WebDAV, various SQL CLIs, SQL Data Storage, XML Data Storage, SOAP, SPARQL (recently), GData (recently) etc.. When a single TCP/IP Server process implements an array of TCP/IP application level protocols it can only be called something along the lines of a "Universal Server". Please note that Virtuoso is simply the first platform to deliver what is gradually becoming the norm as we head towards the next generation Web & Internet. --Kingsley_Idehen 17:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment The term Universal Server was actually used to describe the Informix Object-Relational DBMS in the mid 90's. If you fact check a little, you will discover that the Informix Universal Server was named in line with the fact that it supported primitive and complex user defined data types (Data Blades). Wikipedia is supposed to be a knowledgebase (ultimately). Thus, lets no loose valuable knowledge by trying to rewrite history etc.. It isn't criminal to be new or innovative, or am I missing something here? --Kingsley_Idehen 17:46, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment A google search for other products that meet your definition turns up very little. Mostly you and the now defunct Informix. "universal server" -Virtuoso -helix -pgp (I remove helix, because it is only for streaming media, and PGP because it is for security). I don't see the term having much use other that for advertising. --waffle iron ^talk 18:32, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment I have also nominated OpenLinkVirtuoso which seems to be a near copy of this article. Suspiciously it was created after this AFD. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/OpenLinkVirtuoso --waffle iron ^talk 18:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Universal server. Good prose on notable subject. You should not use someones self-promotion in an other article against an article that can clearly stand on its own. -- Petri Krohn 14:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Virtuoso Universal Server to OpenLinkVirtuoso. In fact I already did the redirect to remove the duplicated text. On the issue itself, I believe the open source software product is notable and the article should be kept. -- Petri Krohn 14:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I reverted the redirect as it violates the boilerplate request not to remove the AfD notice from the article. It could be seen as an attempt to hide the AfD. No vote from me on this one. --Craig Stuntz 16:49, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• You maybe right on that. Anyway, I removed the content and replaced it with ((mergeto|OpenLinkVirtuoso)). Kept the boilerplate and complaints. -- Petri Krohn 21:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• mergeto is fine. But you've redirected the article yet again after posting this comment as well as removed all article content before making the comment. Please stop that until the AfD is finished. People need to see an article to be able to evaluate whether or not it should be deleted.--Craig Stuntz 00:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.