Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/WVNC LP

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 21:23, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

WVNC LP

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According to the contest of the CSD, this station just received its FCC license. Has no citations; no news articles (that I can find). Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:55, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Radio-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of North Carolina-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 13:02, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep: License is enough for NMEDIA, but the page needs a lot of work. Paging Wcquidditch or Xenon54 for the article content and Mlaffs for the correct page name. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:16 on March 20, 2018 (UTC)

After noticing this AfD was still here, I decided to give it a look-see to see if I missed something and clearly I did. There isn't a WVNC-LP licensed anywhere in the US, especially North Carolina. The only "WVNC" called station is located in Watertown, New York and that's a low-powered TV station, WVNC-LD. As such, I have struck my above keep and am changing it to a Speedy Delete and Hoax. I actually recommend the page be deleted per G3. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:23 on March 23, 2018 (UTC)

Delete Hoax. Should've been speedy deleted. The onus is on OP to provide one shred of evidence that this exists. I see no evidence of an FM station using the callsign WVNC-LP. There is no FM station licensed to 90.9 MHz in that region of North Carolina. There is not even an application to build one that I can find. The claim that it started broadcasting yesterday is completely ludicrous in light of this lack of evidence. Stations don't just fall out of a tree and start broadcasting, there is a meticulous months- to years-long paper trail before they even get permission to build somewhere, let alone transmit. If it really does broadcast, my conclusion is it is a pirate and thus fails the general notability test for organizations. And the FCC should be contacted. Xenon54 (talk) 01:18, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

As an addendum - I'm not an expert on the rules regarding how stations interfere with each other, but with full-power 90.7 in Durham, 10-watt 91.1 in Raleigh, and full-power 90.9 in Rocky Mount, it seems real difficult to me to cram in 100-watt 90.9 in Cary without actionable interference to someone. Furthers my suspicion that this is a pirate or a hoax. (And pirates don't typically have a fondness for Bloomberg...) Xenon54 (talk) 01:56, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There are three FM facilities licensed to Cary, NC — full-power WNCB at 93.9, low-power WSHP-LP at 103.3, and translator W228CZ at 93.5. None of these are at 90.9. There are six FM facilities licensed at 90.9 in the entire state of North Carolina — five of them full-power and one translator. I also can't even find a not-yet-named construction permit meeting this description. I'm comfortable seconding Xenon54's contention that this is a thing that does not exist. Mlaffs (talk) 02:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, without prejudice against recreation in the future if and when its existence and operations can be reliably sourced. It's not the claim of having a broadcast license that gets a radio station over WP:NMEDIA, because that's a thing that pirates and hoaxers can easily lie about — it's the sourcing that can be provided to properly verify that the claim is actually true. Mlaffs is correct that the lack of verifiable evidence here throws the claim that it got its license a few days ago in doubt — but even if we grant the assumption that it is indeed true and we're just making some kind of error in finding the right FCC record, the mere fact of having been issued a construction permit is still not grounds for a Wikipedia article: a radio station has to be verifiably on the air before it qualifies to have an article on here. And on top of that, a radio station also has to originate some portion of its own original programming, rather than operating purely as a rebroadcaster or translator of another station or syndicated programming service, but this neither shows nor sources any evidence that that condition has been passed either: it just claims that the station broadcasts Bloomberg Radio, without stating or sourcing any indication that it creates any of its own original local programming. So if this is a real station as the creator claims, then no prejudice against recreation in the future if and when it can be properly sourced as passing all of NMEDIA's conditions for the notability of radio stations — but Mlaffs and Xenon54 are correct that as of right now this looks more like either a pirate that's lying about its license status or an outright hoax that doesn't exist at all. And even if it does exist as a rebroadcaster of Bloomberg, that would get it a redirect to Bloomberg rather than a standalone article. Bearcat (talk) 16:35, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Despite creator Caryncliving (talk · contribs)'s claim on the talk page, there's nothing out there to suggest that the FCC has licensed this station, or granted it a construction permit, or even received so much as an application to build the station. Indeed, to add to the evidence of this station's complete absence from the FCC's records: their Consolidated Database System (CDBS) lists only a single station that currently holds the WVNC base call sign: the similarly-named television station WVNC-LD in Watertown, New York. Any presumption of notability for broadcast stations all but requires that the station be licensed, there be sufficient coverage in reliable sources to verify operation (which is basically non-negotiable, as the absence of those sources all but ensures that the general notability guideline won't be met either), and that the station either does at least some of its own programming or has had a history of doing so — and none of this is true for "WVNC-LP". It may or may not be a hoax (though I must admit that I'm a bit skeptical that Bloomberg Radio would be carried on an LPFM at 90.9 FM, given that Bloomberg Radio airs commercials, licensed LPFMs are always non-commercial stations, and stations between 88.1 and 91.9 MHz are non-commercial at any power)… but if it does exist, this is a non-notable pirate station at best (and the claim of 100 watts makes it clear that this is definitely not a Part 15 station, either — those can't be more powerful than about 0.01 microwatts). --WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:08, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As amply noted above radio stations leave a detailed audit trail at FCC.gov and there is absolutely nothing there to support this. Out of curiosity I drove to the RDU airport area to see if there was actually any activity such as a pirate station operating on 90.9, but that frequency is completely dead, with nothing audible.Thomas H. White (talk) 14:16, 21 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.