Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wide Angle Productions

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Delete all, although there was little participation in this AfD the analysis of non-notablity was excellent. This, coupled with the fact the articles remained unchanged during the process, serves to strenghten the deletion decision --Steve _(Stephen)^talk 04:46, 29 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wide Angle Productions

Apparently vanity articles that are related to this deletion of a believed vanity bio.

This nomination includes also:

Perhaps Global Revolution is the most likely to be (barely) notable, but there's no evidence (yet) that it was broadcast on a significant TV station, for instance, and given sources for all are extremely weak. Purgatorio 18:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT 11:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all The "Italian News Article" is about the dog stunt. If that's the only claim to notability, then inclusion should be the least of their concerns. Otherwise, there's a collection of non-notable productions over a ten-year time span. Caknuck 22:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have no idea how 'Gunther' is pronounced in Italian but 'Gunther Corporation' would make for a rather awesome bandname. Considering that 'potential for amusement' isn't a generally accepted criterion to establish notability, it's probably not too relevant though. Neither is the fact that their official website is a Blogspot blog but it's a pretty telling sign. Well, so we've got a lot of buzz words (media explosion, revolutionary, groundbreaking, experimental), a few weaselwords, plenty of what looks like self-promotion, an unsubstantiated claim about a PR stunt (the dog thing), a few trivial sources and, aside from that, apparently not a whole lot. The Miami Herald picked up the dog story and so did the BBC's website and a few newspapers. There is a claim about the Guinness Book of World Records (the Karlotta Liebenstein hoax). I'd argue that the dog incident could be notable because of the Miami Herald story (they bought the story and a local Miami TV station exposed it as a hoax, IIRC). The thing is though: that was seven years ago. Notability is generally a permanent thing but I would say that if this was barely notable seven years ago, it's hardly nowadays. It's a garden variety hoax. They didn't invent this type of PR stunt and, in fact, there isn't even a source to back up the claim that they were behind it. The Miami Herald issue isn't mentioned at all and the article only mentions this entire business in passing. Also, I assume that if this was indeed a notable company there would have been something to write about besides this 7 year-old PR stunt. Having said that, it's probably the most notable out of the bunch - not that it manages to actually establish what little notability there might be.
I'm more skeptical about the Global Revolutions article though. I know this is going to sound a bit like WP:IDONTLIKEIT but I'm still not clear on exactly what this experimental show entails, not to mention why it's notable. I really don't see much more than 'it was on TV' (maybe I've just spent too much time with marketing types). Now, I haven't been to Italy in a long time but a claim of 'was broadcast on television' is a little vague. There's a difference between prime time national television and public access at 2:30 am. And Wide Angle Productions isn't much better (after eliminating the false positives). So I would advocate deleting the latter two and keeping (and that's a extremely weak keep) Gunther Corporation, provided proper sources are added. -- Seed 2.0 19:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In fact, the only other activities mentioned are those related to James Hughes (whose article was deleted effectively as a vanity article) i.e. Global Revolution. To put this into context, the fact that the title track was a "sensation" can be best weighed against the fact that this was "Most notably during a spectacular music event at Pontedera Football Club" - if you consult U.S. Pontedera 1912 it emerges this is Serie D team with a ground capacity of around 4000. The football club seems to have links with the Gunther Corporation (the Countess Libenstein and Gunther the dog hoax again), but I'm not sure what exactly. Perhaps there is some, limited, justification for keeping Gunther Corporation just as a place to dump information about these stupid dog hoaxes. But for a years-old PR stunt and a more recent occurence at a Serie D football club, I do wonder if there's much point - the whole thing reeks of self-promotion as it is. And the "references" for the whole thing, such as they are, are pretty poor, the company's own "press release" as posted onto google groups, for instance.Purgatorio 05:37, 27 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.