Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wu Bin (Driver)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus. Discussion whether this should be refactored can take place on the talk page. Currently there is a split between refactoring and deleting, and both sides have strong arguments. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:48, 6 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wu Bin (Driver)

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A heartwarming story but nonetheless a minor local news event. This man is unlikely ever to be the focus of any non-trivial independent coverage unrelated to the incident, which is indeed the subject of the sole source cited. Guy (Help!) 08:51, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Don't Delect: This article is translated from Chinese Wikipedia and that version was remained after a delection discussion. As a result, most of the source are Chinese. If you want, I'll add them. In additon, I don't think this is just a mirror of a news event because the social reaction and more details are also included. Overall, I don't think this article should be delected. --Jack No1 (talk) 悠悠的唱着最炫民族风，让爱卷走所有的尘埃…… 09:47, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

LOL，do you know that many Chinese wiki-articles which had many international versions were deleted by Chinese admins? thanks for your hard job for translating, but not any international media reported this normal heartwarming story, it's too normal for the countries that have true loves. the reason that Chinese media hyped for this normal news is China is a love-lacking country, it has a cold-blooded society with numb people. especially after the Chinese GOV killed a lot of students in 1989/ 6/4, since then, no moral left, no love left。the things like lies，cheat，dirty-money, have become a common value for the Chinese society. this kind of value also can be found in the Chinese Wikipedia, the Chinese wiki is controlled by some ill people, they have done many bad things against the editors who have different opinions, they can find all kind of reasons to block this kind of users. that's very bad, but you must face them, because that is China, they are Chinese! you know? --江祸国 (talk) 10:38, 12 June 2012 (UTC)— 江祸国 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Sorry, I can’t agree with you. You said Chinese society is full of cool-blood people and lack of love but in fact, it’s not true. Every country has both negative and positive news. If you just focus on negative news, obviously, you’ll think Chinese society is extremely bad. In addition, it’s wrong to criticize that PRC government lead China to bad direction and make Chinese society worse and worse. PRC government always encourages people to do good things and this event is a good ‘example – Mr. Wu’s family was given lots of money from the government and the province leader also personally go to Wu’s home to visit him family. In society, thousands of citizens voluntarily go to the street and join his funeral. However, you just say “China is lack of love” here and IGNORE all these facts. I tried to give you some links about Chinese people’s reactions online, but you always give some so called “Internet comment” which cannot be checked as a response in the talk page in Chinese Wikipedia. China is now developing quickly and various kinds of problem may appear during this period. However, Chinese people never stop following Great Spirit. However, some people always think China is becoming reprobate and maliciously speculate every event happens in China. In addition, Chinese Wikipedia is not controlled by anyone and number of editors from China Mainland, Hong Kong and Taiwan with huge different backgrounds are almost 2:3:3. In this situation, no one can control whole Chinese Wikipedia. This article is blocked in Chinese Wiki just because you started an edit warring but NOTHING ABOUT POLITICAL OPINION DIFFERENCE. I am so surprised that you think the manager block this article because you write “reactionary” stuff. PS: this page is used to talk about the improvement of Wu Bin but about if Chinese Wikipedia users are good and something else. --Jack No1 (talk) 悠悠地唱着最炫民族风，让爱卷走所有的尘埃…… 13:44, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

- - What's a delect, Jack No 1? :) --Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The 40 second news clip I saw was from ITN. Dru of Id (talk) 12:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per ~~WP:BLP1E~~ WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. DarkAudit (talk) 15:49, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:01, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:02, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This article write about a person who has passed away. As a result, WP:BLP1E is not suitable for this article. In addition, you think this article looks like "a blog, webspace provider, social network, or memorial site". I just write some truth about events about Mr. Wu. It isn't against WP:NOTMEMORIAL as well. --Jack No1 (talk) 悠悠地唱着最炫民族风，让爱卷走所有的尘埃…… 16:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

That is splitting hairs. It is a shame that the person passed away, but alive or dead, he is notable for that one incident, and that one incident alone. That is the basis of what WP:BLP1E is about. DarkAudit (talk) 19:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No, that is what WP:BIO1E is about; BLP1E is specifically for living people, or details that would impact living people; BIO1E has slightly different standards and nuances. Dru of Id (talk) 20:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see. And reading the standards of WP:BIO1E, the subject is still not notable. DarkAudit (talk) 21:59, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Strong delete per nom. The man is known for one minor incident, which is itself not notable. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:46, 12 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- However, this accident doesn't have a official name or a name can be accepted by everyone. So it may be the best choice to use this title. If you find some suitable name. You can move this article.--Jack No1 (talk) 悠悠地唱着最炫民族风，让爱卷走所有的尘埃…… 00:51, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep but Move to Wu Bin incident(Chinese: 吴斌事件), many media used this name to describe the event. And the notability is obvious, e.g. BBC has one report about his funeral:[1]. --Makecat _Talk 01:08, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Accoding to the name announced by police, it should be moved to "Wuxi 5·29 Accident" (Chinese: 无锡5·29事故).--Jack No1 (talk) 悠悠地唱着最炫民族风，让爱卷走所有的尘埃…… 02:07, 13 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Wu Bin incident is a good idea. However, I'm afraid English Wikipedia don't admit Chinese language media like Netease, Phoenix Net or so.--铁铁的火大了 (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable prior to event, fails notability test WP:BIO1E. WWGB (talk) 12:51, 15 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep considering Chinese have deemed it sufficiently notable, also taking into account WP:BIAS.--XKQ7 (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Bushranger _{One ping only} 00:02, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A page centering the driver himself must not be kept because one minor, but heartwarming case, does not deem a standalone article, though there is sufficient notability for the information to be at least included in a new article with a name such as Wu Bin Incident. Just like there is no "Charles Lindbergh Jr" page, but instead there is a "Lindbergh kidnapping" page. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 06:20, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:ONEEVENTSeasider91 (talk) 17:57, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and move per Makecat. The degree of Chinese media coverage is plenty sufficient to warrant an article on the incident. — C M B J 23:07, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Repurpose- Per Makecat. The incident is notably covered internationally; such incidents rarely capture the public's attention, but this did. Deservedly received official recognition; a biography may be warranted later if sufficient biographic details emerge to justify splitting it from the event. Dru of Id (talk) 03:08, 24 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:38, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Concensus seems to be leaning to a refactoring, but more discussion is probably necessary. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BIO1E and WP:NOTNEWS. The man was only notable for one incident, which itself does not meet WP:GNG. --BDD (talk) 16:39, 28 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep and Move per makecat. Plenty of reports, including BBC, Huffington Post, etc.--Jsjsjs1111 (talk) 15:09, 5 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.