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The result was keep. HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:34, 24 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Yosef Elbaum (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log)
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Non-notable rabbi. Chesdovi (talk) 11:15, 27 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. IZAK (talk) 10:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep this WP:N rabbi, besides this is only a {{Rabbi-stub}}, see WP:DONOTDEMOLISH. Thank you, IZAK (talk) 10:30, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- This is one of the most non-notable rabbis I have ever come across on wikipedia. This is not a stub becasue I could not find a thing, zero, ziltch, about him. Chesdovi (talk) 15:45, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep - My hyperbole alarm went off with respect to a comment above. It seems impossible that this is "one of the most non-notable rabbis..." since Elbaum is referred to in THIS PIECE from Haaretz.com, which is listed in the footnotes, which refers to him as the "head" of something called "Movement for the Preparation of the Temple" and a main speaker at a demonstration organized by that group. So let's take a good look here, because this looks to me at a quick glance like a public figure in Israel. Carrite (talk) 17:36, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I also note that "Movement for the Preparation of the Temple" is a topic under the heading "Third Temple Movement" in Rubenberg's Encyclopedia of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Carrite (talk) 17:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh my gosh. Just cause he's mentioned as the "head" in one newspaper article - thats makes him "keep" here? Should we also have an article on Yehuda Etzion, head of the Chai Vekayam - also mentioned in that article? (ok, there are pages on Moshe Feiglin and Yisrael Ariel) but there is nothing about this person. If there is, it belongs in the organisation page - his only claim to fame. Delete. Chesdovi (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Chesdovi: Not sure what you are getting so hot under the collar about. If the person is mentioned in mainstream media and reliable sources, that should clinch it. Unless you have some sort of personal dislike of what he stands for that would violate WP:NPOV. Kindly also remember that WP:NOTPAPER and we are building an encyclopedia here and not remonstrating our likes and dislikes in violation of of WP:LIKE. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "If the person is [merely] mentioned in mainstream media and [not in] reliable sources, that should clinch it". What twaddle. Delete. Chesdovi (talk) 11:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Umm Chesdovi, take a look: WP:NEWSORG = WP:RS, can't believe you don't know that. P.S. Please stop obsessively typing "delete" in bold type yet it can be very misleading. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 11:35, 11 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- "If the person is [merely] mentioned in mainstream media and [not in] reliable sources, that should clinch it". What twaddle. Delete. Chesdovi (talk) 11:23, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Chesdovi: Not sure what you are getting so hot under the collar about. If the person is mentioned in mainstream media and reliable sources, that should clinch it. Unless you have some sort of personal dislike of what he stands for that would violate WP:NPOV. Kindly also remember that WP:NOTPAPER and we are building an encyclopedia here and not remonstrating our likes and dislikes in violation of of WP:LIKE. Thanks, IZAK (talk) 07:10, 9 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh my gosh. Just cause he's mentioned as the "head" in one newspaper article - thats makes him "keep" here? Should we also have an article on Yehuda Etzion, head of the Chai Vekayam - also mentioned in that article? (ok, there are pages on Moshe Feiglin and Yisrael Ariel) but there is nothing about this person. If there is, it belongs in the organisation page - his only claim to fame. Delete. Chesdovi (talk) 19:05, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I also note that "Movement for the Preparation of the Temple" is a topic under the heading "Third Temple Movement" in Rubenberg's Encyclopedia of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. Carrite (talk) 17:41, 8 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I am BOLDLY unbolding all but the first Delete by the nominator as unhelpful to the closing administrator in judging actual sentiment among the discussants here. Carrite (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete as lacking independent third party sources. Stuartyeates (talk) 04:50, 15 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
- Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, v/r - TP 03:14, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete Found only one mention in a reliable source, and that mention isn't even about him, really - it's about Temple Mount controversy. WP:1E at best. Nwlaw63 (talk) 18:35, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
DeleteComment - there is not enough info about this rabbi out there to warrant a page about him. Chesdovi (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]- Chesdovi: This is now the THIRD time that you have typed "delete". Kindly note that relisting does not mean you have to keep on re-voting because the earlier discussions are not "annulled" rather it is an extension of time for the AfD see WP:RELIST: "The intent of the deletion process is to attempt to determine consensus on whether an article should be deleted. However, if at the end of the initial seven-day period, the discussion has only a few participants (including the nominator)...relist it, to solicit further discussion to determine consensus" and NOT as you are doing re-voting and stating "delete" obsessively when in any case you are the one that has nominated this article for deletion in the first place. If you persist in this obsessive pattern of misleading "voting" instead of engaging in bona fide DISCUSSIONS a formal complaint may be filed against you. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 11:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Ches. I would suggest that you change your header above, of "Delete", to "Comment". Otherwise, though of course this is not your intention, readers can be misled and read your one !vote as 2 !votes. It is convention for the nom not to -- in addition to his nomination, which already counts as a Delete !vote -- also place a "Delete-headed" comment. I imagine any editor might edit that for clarity, but expect it would be best for all concerned if you were to simply make the change yourself. Best.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Chesdovi: This is now the THIRD time that you have typed "delete". Kindly note that relisting does not mean you have to keep on re-voting because the earlier discussions are not "annulled" rather it is an extension of time for the AfD see WP:RELIST: "The intent of the deletion process is to attempt to determine consensus on whether an article should be deleted. However, if at the end of the initial seven-day period, the discussion has only a few participants (including the nominator)...relist it, to solicit further discussion to determine consensus" and NOT as you are doing re-voting and stating "delete" obsessively when in any case you are the one that has nominated this article for deletion in the first place. If you persist in this obsessive pattern of misleading "voting" instead of engaging in bona fide DISCUSSIONS a formal complaint may be filed against you. Thank you. IZAK (talk) 11:49, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- I am BOLDLY striking the re-vote by the nominator as unhelpful to the closing administrator in judging actual sentiment among the discussants here. Carrite (talk) 18:53, 23 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Moving article from Yosef Elbaum (American pronunciation) to more accurate and google friendly Yosef Elboim. Known rabbi, on one hand, the Israeli mass media could not care less for him, on the other hand, he is also not too admired within his own Haredi community and villified. This blog piece from Hillel Weiss describes him, but cannot be used as a source in the article obviously. I'll add some more info from Hebrew sources, and newly 'discovered' English sources. --Shuki (talk) 21:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep per Shuki. GBooks also turns up quite a number of references to him as a significant figure. --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:21, 16 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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- Keep Seems like an extreme case of WP:IDONTLIKEIT to me. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 20:08, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep. Malik said it best. The refs indicate notability.--Epeefleche (talk) 20:13, 18 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep Clear evidence of notability.--Cox wasan (talk) 18:19, 19 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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