- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was No Consensus though leaning to keep. Gnangarra 08:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Zhing-zhong (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (delete) – (View log)
Delete Fails WP:RS and WP:N. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:12, 1 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- weak keep - AfDed in under 1 minute. Zimbabwe is an English-speaking nation, and the article author seems to have contributed to Wikipedia a few times; so it'd be nice to give the author a bit of time to establish whether this phrase is notable, beyond the 2 (admittedly minor) references already given. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Bearcat (talk) 20:37, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- delete neologistic slang with it's rightful urban dictionary entry already in place. Please make others though, article creator, I had my first one deleted and am still here- don't despair! The special, the random, the lovely Merkinsmum 20:43, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- comment - I think this article could easily be more than just a dicdef - it's already discussing things like the official government reaction to the term. I just hope high-quality sources can be found. AllGloryToTheHypnotoad (talk) 21:07, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Dustitalk to me 18:47, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete What??!! That’s a Zimbabwean slang??? It sounds Chinese, it's defiantly not English. Who knows if it's really used by the people of Zimbabwe? Where is the reference? I can start making up Chinese sounding slangs right now. TheAsianGURU (talk) 21:52, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Try Google news before making claims of unverifiability. cab (talk) 23:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Cab. I did. With 2 entries on Google News - 1 from "Zimbabwe Guardian" UK, 1 from South Korea. Over 985 results on Google search. 90% from blogs. If blogs now fit WP:RS, then keep it all you want. TheAsianGURU (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Try again. 37 GNews hits. cab (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh I did, I just didn't click the "All Dates" like you did. However, out of your 37 results, over 50% of those can't not be verified. (Yes, I clicked on all of them.) AllAfrica.com needs to signup, Accessmylibrary.com says it's free but it isn't free either, "Inter Press Service English News Wire" at "highbeam.com" asked me to sign up for a "FREE trial." I found BBC Archive asking me for ranging from $2.95 - $9.95. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Under WP:V, pay sources are emphatically acceptable. There is nothing here requiring every potential source used for an article to be freely available to every internet surfer at the click of a button. And the snippets shown in the GNews search clearly show the context in which this term is being used, refuting your original position that this is made-up and couldn't possibly be real Zimbabwean slang. cab (talk) 01:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I am fully aware of what is under WP:V. That’s why I went out my way to click all links of your so-called 37 GNews Hits. However, I had a hard time verifying whether they can be used as a source. Sure, pay sites can be used under WP:V, so somebody please pay the $2.95 (or $9.95), so we can save this wiki entry. No need to attack my position from the beginning, my position hasn’t changed since March 13th – Where is the reference? Per WP:RS. TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Don't want to get in the middle here, but TheAsianGURU, you did start the discussion pretty strong with lots of punctuation and an implication that it was made up. Dimitrii (talk) 22:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I am fully aware of what is under WP:V. That’s why I went out my way to click all links of your so-called 37 GNews Hits. However, I had a hard time verifying whether they can be used as a source. Sure, pay sites can be used under WP:V, so somebody please pay the $2.95 (or $9.95), so we can save this wiki entry. No need to attack my position from the beginning, my position hasn’t changed since March 13th – Where is the reference? Per WP:RS. TheAsianGURU (talk) 19:58, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Under WP:V, pay sources are emphatically acceptable. There is nothing here requiring every potential source used for an article to be freely available to every internet surfer at the click of a button. And the snippets shown in the GNews search clearly show the context in which this term is being used, refuting your original position that this is made-up and couldn't possibly be real Zimbabwean slang. cab (talk) 01:23, 19 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh I did, I just didn't click the "All Dates" like you did. However, out of your 37 results, over 50% of those can't not be verified. (Yes, I clicked on all of them.) AllAfrica.com needs to signup, Accessmylibrary.com says it's free but it isn't free either, "Inter Press Service English News Wire" at "highbeam.com" asked me to sign up for a "FREE trial." I found BBC Archive asking me for ranging from $2.95 - $9.95. TheAsianGURU (talk) 23:24, 18 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Try again. 37 GNews hits. cab (talk) 05:43, 16 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Hi Cab. I did. With 2 entries on Google News - 1 from "Zimbabwe Guardian" UK, 1 from South Korea. Over 985 results on Google search. 90% from blogs. If blogs now fit WP:RS, then keep it all you want. TheAsianGURU (talk) 02:28, 15 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Try Google news before making claims of unverifiability. cab (talk) 23:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep verifiable and sources go beyond mere use or etymology of the term into real world consequences. For example, "The police recently announced that it will be arresting people for using the term 'zhing zhong', which derisively refers to the cheap Chinese goods" [1] (this claim is already in the article, but sourced to a blog). Failing that, merge to China-Zimbabwe relations. cab (talk) 23:54, 13 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Keep More than a dic def. Notability and Sources seem to exist, just are hard to get. Dimitrii (talk) 22:16, 20 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.