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Category:Uncertain novae

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 15:14, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Uncertain novae (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

  • Delete. The definition of this category is vague. A description on the page says that the category should include objects where the identification of the objects as novae/supernovae is uncertain; objects that have been shown not to be novae/supernovae; objects where the properties of the novae/supernovae are uncertain; and hypothetical novae/supernovae. Grouping such objects toghether under the header of "Uncertain novae" seems inappropriate. Even if the description on the page is ignored, it seems uncertain as to what belongs within this category. George J. Bendo 23:24, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete, almost no ghits, and the top result is the category page, a bad sign. This does not appear to be a formal classification in use in the scientific community. --Dhartung | Talk 23:54, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per Dhartung. Edton 22:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and this should have been speedied. Dekimasu 05:29, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gravy Train!!!! albums

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gravy Train!!!! albums (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Greek poets

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek poets to Category:Modern Greek poets

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Category:Greek writers

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 16:51, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Greek writers to Category:Modern Greek writers

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Category:Banned books

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The result of the debate was delete Per multiple arguments discussed-- Drini 15:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Banned books (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

  • Delete As per the discussion for [films] - if the voting goes in favour of delete, of course. Lugnuts 18:35, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I believe I've seen it before, if that's true it should be speedied as a recreation. At any rate, delete as arbitrary (banned where? for what reason? etc). >Radiant< 19:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete as pace the ALA, "banned" can mean "required to have parental permission to check out by order of the school board" and such. Some works are notable for the frequency of their banning, such as Huckleberry Finn or anything by Judy Blume, but in general this is not an inherent quality of a work; it's more like a movie rating. As such, not only is it vague but it's geographically limited (sometimes to a single school district).--Dhartung | Talk 23:59, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep for the same reason I favour keeping banned films. Sure, this is not a perfect category but I'll make my point again. Radiant argues that it's too arbitrary and he's right to a certain extent. On the other hand I suppose then that everyone would be ok to keep the category "books banned for immorality in the UK in the 40's". However that seems like overly specific and an unnecessary fragmenting of a possibly interesting category. I think we have to trust that readers know how to use a category like "banned books" in a smart way. Yes, you'll have books in there that have been banned in countries with wildly differing customs, for reasons rangeing from defamation lawsuits to morality issues and so on but readers can look up the details in the individual articles. Simply deleting the category takes away that possibility and I really don't see how it improves the encyclopedia as a whole. Maybe we should put a little disclaimer for this in the category page. Actually, I'll try that. Let me know what you think. Pascal.Tesson 04:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment well actually there already is such a disclaimer. I think the cat should stay as long as the articles describe their own banning. Pascal.Tesson 04:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, provided category specifies that article makes mention of banning - Provided the articles in the category actually specify that the book was "banned", I'm for keeping it. Note that while it's possible many books are banned in, say, North Korea, 99% of those book articles do not mention that banning since it would not be notable. Thus mandating that an article specify a book was "banned" eliminates almost all the non-notable book bannings, and allows the category to remain focussed only on those books where the banning of the book is actually important to its background. Dugwiki 16:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Dugwiki. This is a reasonable navigation tool and categorically important. Might reconsider if there's an older CFD, but No binding decisions. -- nae'blis 17:01, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep this useful category. If it is not clear which books should be included, simply clarify the definition at the top of the category page, as to the criteria. Being unclear is not a good enough reason to delete. --Blainster 20:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - too broad. Every organisation and their cousin has created a must read list, and a do not read list. - jc37 21:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Not sure I get your point here. It's pretty clear that the category is intended for books that were banned by law in some state. There's no point in renaming the cat as "banned books by law in some state at some point in time" to make that explicit. Pascal.Tesson 00:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
List of banned books - and some examples are not necessarily "states". Not to mention that out of each of the hundreds of countries, each one could have a "banned list", which could number in the thousands for each : ) - jc37 10:58, 28 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless it contains a caveat that no book article can be added directly to it. Only list articles should be added to it. Book articles should be added to a subcategory (books on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum, books banned by Nazi Germany, etc); any of which might themselves be subcategorized in a variety of ways. I accept that book banning is a topic worthy of categorization, but the current category is so vague as to be utterly useless as it stands. The current disclaimer more or less admits as much. Being unclear is absolutely a good enough reason to delete. With my propsal, any list or subcategory could itself be nominated for deletion if it was too trivial or open-ended. jnestorius(talk) 21:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • No. The hierarchy would be something like
Category:Banned books --> List of books banned by the Nazis; ;list of books banned by the Kansas Board of Education;  list of books banned in the Peoples Republic of China; etc
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|--- Category: Books banned by the Nazis --> Das Kapital; All Quiet on the Western Front; ...
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|--- Category: Books on the Index Librorum Prohibitorum --> Luther's Bible; Discourse on Method; ...
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|--- etc
If someone adds, say Tom Sawyer, directly to Category:Banned books, it will be removed or moved to one or more subcategories, and/or added to one or more lists, if any relevant ones exist. jnestorius(talk) 22:06, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Then, yes, I think naming conventions are such that it should be named category:Lists of banned books. - jc37 22:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No. That would imply that all subcategories were also lists. jnestorius(talk) 22:19, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If this is likely to cause confusion, then Category:Lists of banned books could be a subcategory of Categroy:Banned books, with the revised stipulation that no articles at all should be in the top-level category. jnestorius(talk) 22:26, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment While I think this would be a very decent compromise, I'm worried about the transition. I'm sure no one is going to volunteer to write all those lists. What do we do in the meantime? Pascal.Tesson 00:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Extra comment actually I misread the proposed compromise. The work needed is not as bad as I would have thought with the opportunity for subcats. It will however require constant attention to maintain as such but I think that would be feasible. Hey I'd even volunteer for the maintenance! And hey, maybe this can also be applied to resurrect the cat for banned films. Pascal.Tesson 00:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. This is nonsense. This is a legitimate category, if you like, in the description you can put an outline that it must have been banned by a government. The category serves as a reminder that not everyone views art from the same perspective. One person's on-the-edge art is another's pornography. Mallanox 23:25, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • I appreciate the compromise and it is preferable to a complete removal of the category. I will admit, I'm not a big fan of lists but to have the information somewhere is better than lose it altogether. I hope your idea is not overlooked when the category gets deleted. Mallanox 00:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Star Fox characters

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 15:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Star Fox characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

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Category:Caricatures by Leslie Ward ("Spy")

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 15:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, Probably should be kept as list in the Leslie Ward article. -- ProveIt (talk) 17:13, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, Leslie Ward produced scores of caricatures of members of the late 19th century British establishment (the National Portrait gallery has 254 in its index [1]). At the moment only a small number of his works are included in Wikipedia but this may increase in the future. Before I created the category I did consider linking to all those Wikipedia articles with images of his caricatures from the Leslie Ward article by means of a list or by a gallery but decided that doing so would:
  1. encumber the Leslie Ward article with a list longer than the article text itself.
  2. a gallery, with 44 images would take too long to display on a slow connection and if the number of images grew further would become impossible.
Although the fact that Ward produced a caricature of them for Vanity Fair may have been some sort of indication that they had "arrived", Ward's subjects generally merit their articles on the grounds that they were members of the Victorian establishment not that they were his subjects. Hence, I thought it too intrusive to create a direct link from the text of a subject's article back to Leslie Ward.
However, a collection of Ward's subjects (albeit incomplete at present) is still an interesting way of viewing the VIP's of the period and by linking the articles by means of a category, there is a direct link created in both directions between artist and subject as well as between one subject and another. - DavidCane 18:25, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You are right, it's a little too big to try to listify in the Leslie Ward article ... It sound to me like its a subject that deserves an article all it's own. But not a category. -- ProveIt (talk) 21:29, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and listify. From the point of view of a celebrity, it's trivial information in which magazines they've had an interview. This is the same principle only a century earlier. >Radiant< 19:18, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:GPWA Members

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The result of the debate was rename -- Drini 15:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Global Professional Wrestling Alliance members, just expanding the acronym. -- ProveIt (talk) 16:45, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Rename, sounds good to me. --Kiltman67 17:28, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy Rename
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Category:Without a Trace

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:49, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, aparently created just to parent Category:Without a Trace episodes. -- ProveIt (talk) 15:39, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Keep; Cast and crew can be added to the category and such. Ohyeahmormons 22:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It's generally a bad idea to give television shows and movies their own category. Many actors in the IMDB, for example, star in 50 to 100 or more movies and television shows during their career. If most of those movies and programs each had their own category, then a tyipcal actor could easily end up with 50 or 100 distinct categories at the end of their article. So, my opinion, a television show should only have its own category IF the show can be demonstrated to have numerous articles related directly to it outside of just cast listings and episode guides. Dugwiki 16:31, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
One more thing, note that cast listings and episode listings typically appear within the article itself or a sub-article. So creating a category for cast listings adds extremely little to a user's ability to find articles about actors who took part in that show; they can typically get the same information by reading the article and clicking the links there. Dugwiki 16:34, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Seaports in South Africa

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename to Category:Port cities in South Africa, convention for country subcats of Category:Port cities. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:43, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Brandon University Hall of Fame

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:44, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Brandon University alumni, since they have exactly the same members. -- ProveIt (talk) 14:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Entertainers by age upon death

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The result of the debate was delete with subcats -- Drini 15:21, 2 October 2006 (UTC) I nominate these categories with the same reason as they were nominated last time:[reply]

Far too specific, could lead to categories such as "People named Tim who died young" or "Entertainers under 5'6" " - Trevor MacInnis

These categories have been already been nominated four times. The last time, after seven days, there was a consensus for deletion (13 delete to 3 keep), but they were not deleted according to the policy. Instead, someone WP:SPAMmed (votestacking) a bunch of editors who voted keep. bogdan 13:50, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Note-I'm also good with listifying instead. The List of famous people who died young could deal with most under thirty.--T. Anthony 05:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, WP is produced by people with too much time on their hands! --Blainster 02:40, 29 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Italian Americans

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

To conform to "-American" hyphenation and standard Wikipedia usage of "athlete" to mean "track and field star."--Mike Selinker 11:00, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Public houses in Cambridge, England

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Public houses in Cambridge, England to Category:Public houses in Cambridge

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Category:Sjk carpentry

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The result of the debate was delete with subcats -- Drini 15:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC) That means deleting[reply]

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Category:Prisons and detention centres

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:26, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prisons and detention centres into Category:Prisons

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Category:Stateless people

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Stateless people to Category:Stateless peoples

  • Rename , "Stateless people" is ambiguous between "Stateless persons" and "Stateless nation". The latter is intended. As per MoS, cat names should be in plural. This also solves the problems for the other "Women without a country" and "Men without a country". I surmise the only motivation for using "men" and "women" is that "people" was taken by the aforementioned category. There is no need for male/female division here. jnestorius(talk) 05:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rename per Cwolfsheep. --kingboyk 14:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Ancient Indian People

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The result of the debate was delete with subcats -- Drini 16:01, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Ancient Indian People (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

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Category:Jim Steinman artists

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 07:31, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Jim Steinman artists (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

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Category:Fictional participants of a love triangle

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 16:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Fictional participants of a love triangle (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

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Category:Soap Opera characters

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 16:03, 2 October 2006 (UTC) Category:Soap Opera characters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)[reply]

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Category:Croatoan Society members

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 16:16, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, premature, there's not even a Croatoan Society article yet... -- ProveIt (talk) 01:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Agreed, at this point the inclusion of the group in the 3 established characters is all that should be needed. If, at a later date, DC produces material focusing on the group, it may be reasonable to create a main artical and members category. — J Greb 02:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Villages in Virginia

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The result of the debate was delete, no redirect (if it is recreated, I'll consider a redirect; as it stands there are way too many unneeded redirects) --Kbdank71 16:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Villages in Virginia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

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Category:Travis Tritt

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The result of the debate was delete -- Drini 07:32, 1 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, not needed, probably created just to parent Category:Travis Tritt albums. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Mosaics

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 16:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Mosaics to Category:Mosaic works of art

  • Rename, It is too easy for members to confuse the categories "mosaic" and "mosaics". My research indicates that "Mosaics" is supposed to be for "mosaic works of art" as noted on the top of the category. It will be better if it therefor named so. Note that "Mosaics" (works of art) is a sub-category or "Mosaic" . Goldenrowley 00:40, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Not sure why this distinction required (or what exactly the distinction might be)... I suspect those mosaics worth mentioning in a general encyclopedia are those generally considered to be works of art, so Category:Mosaics sufficient...?  Apologies if I'm missing something obvious, David Kernow (talk) 05:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Engineering college

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 16:05, 2 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:Engineering colleges and universities. -- ProveIt (talk) 00:30, 24 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]
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