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Category:Hackers known by pseudonyms

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The result of the debate was delete. the wub "?!" 09:33, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Hackers known by pseudonyms (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

I believe there was once a category called Category:Hackers but it doesn't exist now so it has apparently been deleted. Even leaving that aside, being known by a pseudonym is not a defining characteristic. Sumahoy 23:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Sudbury, Vermont

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The result of the debate was merge. the wub "?!" 09:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sudbury, Vermont into Category:Rutland County, Vermont

Does a town of 583 people really need its own dedicated subcategory? Upmerge to county parent. Bearcat 23:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:BBC regions

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The result of the debate was Delete and Merge. Robdurbar 23:10, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:BBC regions into Category:BBC Nations and Regions
Comment Guidelines aside, the BBC themselves use 'Nations and Regions' to describe this area (BBC - Press Office - BBC Nations & Regions. Given that the intention is that this category correspond content-wise to this BBC classification, I think it is appropriate that it use the same nomenclature, including capitalisation.
Xdamrtalk 01:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
It's not so much a case of style guidelines—this category should surely be eponymous with the BBC structure. That is after all what it is attempting to list and to encompass, not any WP notion of BBC Nations and Regions, but the BBC's.
Xdamrtalk 04:19, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Indigenous Australians - organisations

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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 09:35, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Indigenous Australians - organisations to Category:Organisations serving indigenous Australians
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The result of the debate was rename. the wub "?!" 09:36, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Propose renaming Category:Automotive related biographies to Category:People in the automobile industry
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Fictional characters with the power to ressurect themselves

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The result of the debate was speedily deleted. David Kernow (talk) 03:19, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Fictional characters with the power to ressurect themselves (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

This category name is misspelled and no links. — Randall Bart 20:21, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Washington D.C. record labels

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The result of the debate was merge/delete. the wub "?!" 09:37, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Merge into Category:American record labels, or Keep. In this case, I think one big category is the most convenient for browsing. -- Prove It (talk) 18:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Atlantic Coast Conference Atlantic Division

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Atlantic Coast Conference Atlantic Division into Category:Atlantic Coast Conference
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Category:Major League Baseball regular seasons

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Category:Major League Baseball seasons. -- Prove It (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:General Classifications of Bones

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The result of the discussion was: merge, no new name suggested. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Category:Skeletal system, or suggest an appropriate name. -- Prove It (talk) 15:25, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Characters of Fengshen Yanyi

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Rename to Category:Fengshen Yanyi characters, athough Category:Characters in written fiction is not entirely consistant. -- Prove It (talk) 14:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Iranian Ministers

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Category:Ministers of Lithuania

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Iranian Ministers to Category:Government ministers of Iran
Propose renaming Category:Ministers of Lithuania to Category:Government ministers of Lithuania
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ESA

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:ESA images to Category:European Space Agency images
Propose renaming Category:ESA people to Category:European Space Agency personnel
Propose renaming Category:ESA probes to Category:European Space Agency probes
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Category:DrugsInFearAndLoathing

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:DrugsInFearAndLoathing (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, Not relevant as a category, if we had this for all movies/books that mentioned drugs... skagedal... 09:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Hubble images

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Hubble images to Category:Hubble Space Telescope images
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Category:Military units and formations of the United States National Guard

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Military units and formations of the United States National Guard to Category:Military units and formations of the United States Army National Guard
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Category:Air National Guard officers

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The result of the discussion was: rename. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Propose renaming Category:Air National Guard officers to Category:Officers of the United States Air National Guard
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Category:Other Police of The Wire

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Other Police of The Wire into Category:Police of The Wire
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Category:European diplomats

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:European diplomats (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete. Of seemingly no purpose. Currently, it is filled with what what seem like 'statesmen' (that is, Europeans that have had some importance on the world or European stage). Whilst a few have been Foreign Secretaries or Ministers (Eden, for example), many have nothing to do with diplomacy in the normal sense of that word (Balfour, for example). This is indicated by its presence in Category:Politicians, despite diplomats explicitly NOT being politicians. There is no reason for this to succeed Category:Diplomats by nationality. Bastin 03:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Delete. There is certainly a case for creating Category:European Union diplomats, however, as far as this category goes, there seems to be little justification for it. Europe consists of nation states, each of which have their own individual and distinct diplomatic corps. Given that there is no de jure 'European' identity, categorisation in this manner is unwarranted. Potentially it could act as a supercategory, containing Category:French diplomats, etc, etc, however this would really be pointless overcategorisation. Xdamrtalk 23:56, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Delete Will someone make sure that all the pages (apart from the few non-diplomats) have a national category also? Clearly EU-diplomats will be needed before long; plus some of these guys like Schumann and Monnet were important diplomats (in Monnet's case not as a regular government diplomat) in the setting-up of the EU. But lots of these people are random figures from the past, Poles working for Russian Czars etc. Johnbod 02:36, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete unless remade and renamed per Xdamr. CRGreathouse (t | c) 04:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Actually Mais oui! seems to have gone ahead and created an EU category, so renaming this one is no longer an issue. --Xdamrtalk 23:10, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Fine, but these guys should be sorted to the appropriate category, not just lost Johnbod 23:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have recategorised all the ones that did not already have a national category as well. Johnbod 23:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Historic houses in the United States

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Historic houses in the United States into Category:Houses in the United States
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Category:Historic houses in Florida

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The result of the discussion was: merge. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Historic houses in Florida into Category:Houses in Florida
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Category:Dreamgirls actors

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Dreamgirls actors (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Highly unnecessary category. FuriousFreddy 02:36, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Howard Stern Show

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Howard Stern Show (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete, We don't need a category for every person who got 15 minutes of (additional) fame on the Howard Stern Show. We have a List of celebrity guests on the Howard Stern show and don't need to muck up lots of bios highlighting one (minor) gig in their careers. Carlossuarez46 01:29, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete per nom. The list covers it. The name of the category is too broad. What does it even mean? People who appeared on the show? People who work for the show? Celebrities who said they're fans of the show? Critics who said that show is overhyped crap? Doczilla 03:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per nom. Xiner (talk, email) 19:08, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete This category presumably covers cast, crew and guest stars of the show. The current consensus has been that guest stars should be put in lists, not categories. The regular cast of the show is listed in the main article, so this category isn't needed for them because a reader looking for information about the regular cast can view the main article. Generally speaking, films and tv/radio/stage shows should not have their own "people" categories, but should stick to using cast lists within the main article (or easily accessed from the main article). Dugwiki 20:28, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This is almost correct. There is clearly a consensus to not categorize actors by their film and theatre performances. There is also a consensus to rename TV categories so they only include the main cast. There is NOT a consensus whether the TV categories should be kept. -- Samuel Wantman 00:15, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You misread my comment. I said that there is consensus that guest stars should be put in lists. I did not say there is consensus on keep/deleting TV categories (there isn't). I did, though, say that in my opinion tv/radio/stage should not have their own actor categories but should stick to cast lists. I did not say there is consensus TV series actors one way or another - I'm just giving my opinion. Dugwiki 18:24, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I have flagged Howard Stern Show Games and Bits as an article under Category:Radio games and Category:Game shows. That eliminates the problem of it becoming orphaned if this category is deleted. Dugwiki 18:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters with the power to manipulate radiation

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Fictional characters with the power to manipulate radiation (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Delete per precedent of all the other vague power categories we've been deleting. This is quite possibly the most useless and most vaguely named of them all. Everything can "manipulate" radiation. A white sheet manipulates radiation by reflecting it. Doczilla 01:14, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Actually I don't know who's in the X-men these days but none of the original five (Cyclops, Angel, Iceman, Beast or Marvel Girl) had any sort of radiation manipulation powers (Cyclops' optic blasts are concussive force, not radiation) and none of the original replacements did either (with the possible exception of Storm who could control lighting, but that is a subset of her weather powers and she is correctly categorized as a weather manipulator). Otto4711 19:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
3 off the top of my head:
  • Cyclops: Converts solar radiation into his optic blasts.
  • Havok: Same basis.
  • Sunfire: Maniputales thermal radiation.
As you point out, Storm can be included as lightning is a form of electromagnecit radiation. By the same point Iceman (thermal radiation) and Polaris (electormagnetic again) fit. — J Greb 19:50, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I stated below, the intent of the category was to capture those characters whose powers were radiation-based and not otherwise categorized. Iceman is correctly categorized as manipulating cold and ice. Havok and (upon reconsideration) Cyclops aren't huge stretches for this category and they aren't otherwise categorized by power. Sunfire is categorized by manipulating fire which seems more appropriate than this cat. Otto4711 20:10, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per otto4711. I suggest people read up on G1 as well - patent nonsense is for people who create a category called "Aliens with 3 heads that landed in Massachusetts", not for a category that actually has useful reference. What's more, as I stated below in the "Energy Field" debate, I'm a little surprised in this deletion call. It's fiction, guys, do we really have to write out an in depth scientific equation of how the radiation is manipulated? It's useful and encyclopedic (IMHO). 146.186.44.199 20:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Delete per nom --Bill.matthews 04:22, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Double delete this. Superheroes by power is a useless and subjective system, and this wouldn't be useful even it weren't a bad system. Anything that absorbs, reflects, or projects heat or light manipulates radiation. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 16:42, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    "Anything that absorbs, reflects" etc. are not fictional characters. This category does not contemplate nor did it ever contemplate the notion of including inanimate objects, fictional or otherwise, any more than there has been any rush to include rubber bands in the "stretch themselves" category or clouds in the shapechangers category. I find arguments like "any XYZ can do ABC" to be more than a little disingenuous. Most fictional characters have the "power to manipulate fire" by blowing out candles and the "power to manipulate water" by drinking it in and later urinating but those categories aren't overloaded with superfluous entries because it appears that people are able to grasp that the categories are for those with this power to a superhuman degree. This category is similarly for those with the power to manipulate radiation to a superhuman degree and was created to fill a gap I perceived in the power categorization scheme. Otto4711 19:39, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    You cling to the hyperbole while missing the point. This is a really poorly-defined category. Does Cyclops manipulate radiation? Do Green Lantern rings? Does Superman? Where do you draw the line between obvious radiation-themed characters (Captain Atom, Marvel's or Simpsons' Radioactive Man, Monica Rambeau) and characters with radiation-manipulation in their origin or the fictional mechanics of their powers (Havok, Cyclops, Superman, etc.)? Even if you can draw such a line, how will it not be an arbitrary, original-research definition? How will such a definition be useful to anyone but the one defining it?
    This doesn't even get into the fact that superhero powers are generally ill-defined due to the fluid nature of reality and continuity in comics, making these largely in-universe classifications totally useless and subjective. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 19:49, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Games that take place in the future

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The result of the discussion was: delete. >Radiant< 11:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Category:Games that take place in the future (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Category:Futuristic games was deleted as being too vague, and this category is pretty much the same. Thunderbrand 00:45, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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