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Category:Action heroes

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete all. (non-admin closure) Armbrust The Homunculus 14:01, 22 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF, 'action hero' isn't a defining characteristic of people fictional characters in this category. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:48, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Adding the sub-category
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Fayenatic London 08:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Action hero is a notable topic, so per WP:LISTN it's an adequate subject for including the examples, as it's been discused as a group. Plus, contrary to the nominator's change of mind, it is a defining characteristic of these fictional characters such as Indiana Jones, Lara Croft or James Bond. Diego (talk) 23:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete too broad a term lacking any clear, unambiguous definition. It is neither clear what level of "action" needs to be done to qualify under that prong, nor exactly what makes the person a hero. Also it is unclear that this is grouping like things. It groups comic Super heros, with spies like James Bond, with fantasy adventure heros like Aragorn, and probably more stuff too.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:01, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OC#SUBJECTIVE. Even if this may be defining and obviously applicable for some fictional characters, it is debatable in many other cases, including some current members of the category. – Fayenatic London 16:26, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Prosvita

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The result of the discussion was: Nomination Withdrawn. Lenticel (talk) 00:39, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, currently only contains the eponymous article. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:32, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Ruthenian expatriates

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The result of the discussion was: soft delete (soft, given the lack of participation). – Fayenatic London 00:01, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete, we don't normally diffuse an ethnicity by expatriate destination (we don't have Category:Jewish expatriates in Germany, for example) and this tree is a bad place to start such a diffusion because it merely leads to minuscule categories. We don't have to merge because the one article is adequately categorized in a Rus' princesses category already. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Submarine power cables

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The result of the discussion was: keep (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 01:10, 5 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More accurate and avoids confusion. Beagel (talk) 07:17, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Industry Canada

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The result of the discussion was: rename. – Fayenatic London 00:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The division has been renamed ViperSnake151  Talk  06:30, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters of the Naval Criminal Investigative Service

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Better title. JDDJS (talk) 03:33, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Jewish people of World War II

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus, leaning towards keep. – Fayenatic London 16:34, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This is my first nomination of a category for deletion discussion so I apologize if I do it wrong. This category almost entirely consists of holocaust victims and no criteria for what this category is supposed to be used for. There is no other "religious group" in World War II category. This list can easily include any Jewish person who lived or died in World War II and I'm sure categories are not meant for that. Arguablefool (talk) 03:14, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It's undeniable that aspects of WW2 were directed against the Jewish people, so unlike garden variety ethnic/religious categories, this one is relevant. That said, it's unlikely we need such a container category (although I may be convinced otherwise), but to lump people who are/were Jewish, religiously or ethnically, who had anything to do with WW2 seems a stretch. We have lots of categories for Jewish victims of the holocaust, Jewish emigrees, Jewish resistance fighters, Schindler's list people, people who died in various camps, ghettos, etc., survivors, etc., probably some Jewish military categories as well (although those seem dubious in my view), they all seem to be well organized into various category trees - to create a parallel tree seems to sew confusion rather than aid searching. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 19:52, 21 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • I've created two further subcategories. Now the category is ready for containerizing, i.e. for removing the remaining articles which are about Jewish people who survived World War II because they were able to hide or emigrate. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:24, 11 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete For most military personnel in most countries, such as the US, the fact they were Jews fighting in the war is not defining. On the other hand, with the Holocaust victims and survivors categories placed her, the tag "of World War II" is often highly questionable. Some Holocaust victims were killed before the war even started.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:03, 20 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep: For good or ill, being Jewish meant something in the World War II era. pbp 01:06, 24 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional characters of the Central Intelligence Agency

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Fictional Central Intelligence Agency personnel. – Fayenatic London 16:28, 6 April 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: A more logical title. JDDJS (talk) 02:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional MSS agents

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The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SMALLCAT. I will merge the member page to Category:Fictional Chinese secret agents and Category:Fictional government agents. – Fayenatic London 23:08, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. JDDJS (talk) 02:05, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional jinyiwei

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The result of the discussion was: delete as WP:SMALLCAT. I will upmerge the member page to parents Category:Fictional Chinese secret agents, Category:Fictional police officers & Category:Fictional nobility. – Fayenatic London 23:04, 23 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Only one entry in category. JDDJS (talk) 02:04, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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