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March 13

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: upmerge (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 08:51, 21 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT. Alternatively, rename to Category:Ajax Orlando Prospectsโ€“related lists per MOS:SUFFIXDASH similarly to my recent WP:CFDS nominations. ๐Ÿ™๐Ÿค๐Ÿฏ๐Ÿบ๐ช๐‘ค๐’†๐“‡๐Ÿท๐Ÿฎ๐Ÿฅ๐Ÿœ๐“บ๐”ด๐•–๐–—๐Ÿฐ (๐—๐—ฎ๐˜ญ๐™ ) 23:13, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 15:55, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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People of Min descent

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (the "delete" votes mostly favour merging). โ€“ Fayenatic London 10:37, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: merge, Min Chinese and Southern Min are language groups and you can't really descend from a language. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:44, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is more complicated than that, there are e.g. Hoklo people (ethnicity) who speak a Southern Min language. Southern Min is not an ethnicity in itself. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:47, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's also more complicated than that further. "Southern Min" or "Min Nan" is often synonymous with Hokkien, perhaps erroneously so. Linguistically Southern Min is a family which contains Hokkien (aka Quan-Zhang dialects) as well as Teochew; however many Teochew would reject an identification as "Hokkien" as Chaozhou lies within Guangdong province. (which is perhaps technically true nonetheless, given that the ancestors of many Chaozhou people came from Fujian, the language certainly did anyways). "minnan" can analogously be referred to as an ethnicity, variously called Hokkien or Hoklo.[1][2]--Prisencolin (talk) 22:41, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Communes of Guyane

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The result of the discussion was: rename. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Guyane is the French name for the territory and French Guiana is the English term. There is a high likely confusion with Guyana anyhow, but Guyane is even more confusing. KittenKlub (talk) 16:19, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executive branch of Israel

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The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Executive branch of the government of Israel. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent of the Republic of Artsakh. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executive branch of the Moldovan government

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The result of the discussion was: rename. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent of the Republic of Artsakh. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:58, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executive branch of the Government of Pakistan

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The result of the discussion was: rename. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent of the Republic of Artsakh. Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Executive branch of the Government of Venezuela

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The result of the discussion was: rename. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per precedent of the Republic of Artsakh Laurel Lodged (talk) 15:52, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Arab Zionists

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 April 6#Category:Arab Zionists

Category:Springfield College (Massachusetts)

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  Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 March 25#Category:Springfield College (Massachusetts)

Film scores by language

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
more language categories
Nominator's rationale: merge, language is trivial for film scores. This is follow-up on this earlier nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support Language issues have little to do with instrumental music. Dimadick (talk) 19:08, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't know enough about India cinemas to make a judgement call (and I advise other users to do the same). However my understanding is that each language's cinema industry is independent and rather distinct from one another. Thus it can be useful to differentiate and cross-classify between composers and film language.--Prisencolin (talk) 22:33, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Though these categories are named "films scored," they do feature soundtrack as well with lyrics written in the respective languages. As Prisencolin rightly noted, the film industry of each Indian language is distinct and independent from the other. Language is the defining characteristic of a film's soundtrack. -- Ab207 (talk) 14:43, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Notified: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Film/Indian cinema task force. Ab207 (talk) 14:46, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment But the "Films scored" categories do not categorize the film score, but the film itself. Dimadick (talk) 21:52, 18 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Vaccination myths

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The result of the discussion was: merge. โ€“ Fayenatic London 10:20, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale:WP:SMALLCAT that overlaps substantially in scope, if not content, with the other category. Misuse of the word myth, per MOS:LABEL. โ€“LaundryPizza03 (dcฬ„) 04:42, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Cancelled celebrities

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: cancel delete. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Violates WP:CATPOV โ€“ the idea of "cancelling" a person (as opposed to an event, a TV show, etc.) originated as a joke on social media; deciding whom to include is inherently POV. โ€”Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:28, 13 March 2021 (UTC) edited 05:48, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
To elaborate, "cancelling" here is metaphorical rather than literal (at least until dictionaries start defining "cancel" differently). Categories on the other hand should reflect verifiable facts about a subject. โ€”Sangdeboeuf (talk) 04:54, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Cancel culture is too contentious and subjective for a category of "cancelled" people, to the point of possibly breaching WP:BLP. The "celebrity" label is also inherently vague. โ€“LaundryPizza03 (dcฬ„) 04:49, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete While the category may be accurate, cancel culture is a neologism. I am far from certain that it has a lasting impact or is reflected in more than a hand-full of sources. Dimadick (talk) 05:35, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Declaring an article subject to be a "cancelled celebrity" is subjective to the point of being unverifiable, and as such is likely to be a BLP violation most of the time when this category is applied. Wham2001 (talk) 08:56, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    I have now inspected all the articles which had been added to the category. In my view none of the additions satisfied WP:CATV and hence all of them were arguably BLP violations. As a result I have reverted all of the edits adding articles to this category, which is consequentially empty. The list of articles that I removed is evident in my contributions from 08.53, 13 March (UTC) onwards. Wham2001 (talk) 09:16, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Politicians who died in office

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Note: I have created Category:Lists of politicians who died in office to hold lists but not biographies. โ€“ Fayenatic London 08:12, 6 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: The complaint has been raised that officials with lifetime appointments who die in office are unremarkable because their term is for life. "Politicians" is nebulous in this regard because it may include people in a variety of circumstances who are not holding offices with set terms. Conversely, some people hold elected offices who might not be considered politicians. BD2412 T 04:04, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Hungarian musicians from Cluj-Napoca

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge the first one to Category:Musicians from Cluj-Napoca, as there is no consensus to remove them from that parent. Delete the other as empty. โ€“ Fayenatic London 13:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The categories are an unfortunate outgrowth of this discussion. In short: a) itโ€™s not a defining characteristic and b) itโ€™s endlessly ambiguous โ€” what if someone was an ethnic Romanian musician from Cluj-Napoca while under Hungarian rule, or (more likely) an ethnic Hungarian musician from Cluj-Napoca while under Romanian rule, etc. โ€” Biruitorul Talk 02:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Category:Goldfinger (band) songs

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The result of the discussion was: keep, note that Category:Songs by artist by default keeps subcategories with even only one article. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 09:03, 27 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: There are only two entries under this category: one is a redirect to an album, and one is a cover of a song whose article the band is no longer mentioned in. No original songs by this band have articles. Songwaters (talk) 01:14, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of the House and Merit Order of Peter Frederick Louis

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The result of the discussion was: delete. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:NONDEFINING (WP:PERFCAT and WP:OCAWARD)
When foreign officials visited the German Grand Duchy of Oldenburg, the House and Merit Order of Peter Frederick Louis was given out as souvenir. Edward VII, Ludwig I of Bavaria, Abbas II of Egypt, and Alexander II of Russia are not remotely defined by the award and just mention it in passing. (About a 10th of this category consists of royals and other people from Oldenburg, who don't seem defined by the award either.) There wasn't a list so I created one right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Recipients of Tamgha-i-Jurat

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The result of the discussion was: delete. โœ—plicit 07:16, 5 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: WP:C1, an unpopulated category, and likely WP:OCAWARD
The Tamgha-i-Jurat is a military award from Pakistan and the recipients are already listified right here in the main article. The problem is that none of those people have a Wikipedia article. None. (Not sure if it is eligible for speedy though since the award article is in the cat so it's not technically empty.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:21, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
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