Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 July 16
July 16
editCategory:Populist Leaders
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Populists. Deletion has not obtained consensus; in the meantime, nobody argued against the rename. As mentioned after the relist, there is no prejudice against a speedy renomination for deletion (perhaps pinging participants here and including some additional categories in the nomination). HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:40, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Populist Leaders to Category:Populists
- Nominator's rationale: Fits into the scheme used at Category:Populism, Category:Right-wing populists, Category:Right-wing populists in the United Kingdom, Category:Right-wing populists in the United States and List of populists Gjs238 (talk) 00:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Do we need it at all? I think the term populist is almost exclusively used for right wing politicians nowadays, so Category:Right-wing populists may suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 01:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- This left-wing populist is making the news these days in the United States. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:19, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:ARBITRARYCAT. See precedent Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 March 1#Category:Fascist rulers. NLeeuw (talk) 19:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete subjective definition (usually an insult), non-defining category. --Altenmann >talk 20:01, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Just a question: Would you then advocate deleting Category:Left-wing populists and Category:Right-wing populists? Gjs238 (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- I would. They were also created very recently in late 2023, while Category:Fascist rulers was already deleted in early 2023 as a WP:SUBJECTIVECAT/WP:ARBITRARYCAT. NLeeuw (talk) 21:26, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Just a question: Would you then advocate deleting Category:Left-wing populists and Category:Right-wing populists? Gjs238 (talk) 23:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per Altenmann. -- Just N. (talk) 13:34, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural keep - this category should not be deleted without also deleting the subcats (under the ARBITRARYCAT rationale, at least). Therefore this should be closed in favour of a broader nomination, or else the subcats should be added to this nomination. — Qwerfjkltalk 13:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Per Qwerfjkl, would folks be interested in tagging the child categories?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, SMasonGarrison 23:52, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- All articles have been purged out of process and the two remaining subcategories do not make sense here (they are not about leaders per se). In its current state the category can obviously be renamed as nominated but that wasn't originally as obvious. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:01, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Partial merge is required – do not orphan List of populists but move it up into Category:Populism. I have added see-also links the between the list and the current subcats Left-wing populists & Right-wing populists. – Fayenatic London 09:48, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, a partial merge instead of a rename is also a possibility. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:31, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, if we would delete the subcategories we should delete four of them: Category:Right-wing populists, Category:Right-wing populists in the United Kingdom, Category:Right-wing populists in the United States and Category:Left-wing populists. I am not against doing it now, but a separate nomination may be cleaner. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:36, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with Marcocapelle: I am also not against pursuing deletion now, but it may be better form to perform the rename as proposed then have a separate discussion about the idea of categorizing people as "populist", which seems arbitrary for many of the articles. Gjs238 (talk) 12:20, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- For the record, the right-wing category was previously deleted per CFD in 2006. – Fayenatic London 12:56, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Former cities in Russia
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus * Pppery * it has begun...
- Propose renaming Category:Former cities in Russia to Category:Former cities and towns in Russia
- Nominator's rationale: In Russia, there is no distinction between cities and towns. The inclusion criteria have long specified that the category includes both cities and towns, and it is also a subcategory of Category:Cities and towns in Russia. And almost all of the contents of the category cannot be called cities either - they are mainly towns or even smaller settlements (urban-type settlement). Solidest (talk) 11:12, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Although, as far as I can see, in addition to Category:Former cities, there is also Category:Former towns. At the same time, the "cities" branch is rather disorganised, and many of the articles are actually about places referred to as "former towns". Therefore, it may be reasonable to rename both branches to "cities and towns" and merge them. However, unlike the situation in Russia, I am not sure how significant the distinction between a city and a town is (in the context of becoming "former") in other countries. Therefore, I am nominating only Russia here. Solidest (talk) 12:01, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. You rightly noted that there is no city/town distinction on Russia. Instead, all other category/article titles, such as List of cities and towns in Russia by population must be renamed, because this "c & t" naming creates misinformation, suggesting that there are cities and towns in Russia. --Altenmann >talk 15:30, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Renamed into what? "cities or towns"? cities? towns? I don't think this creates misinformation, since in reality some places are technically could be called cities and others are smaller towns, both words are still relevant in English. But we cannot make the distinction for each case as it would be OR. And the "cities and towns" wording is still widely used in similar cases, where the local language does not distinguish between terms. But if we had to choose, town would probably be more appropriate in this case. Solidest (talk) 19:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- if you are saying that it includes urban-type settlements, then the proper name is category:Former urban localities in Russia. --Altenmann >talk 21:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- "Urban localities" is too vague and unclear a term. It is more likely to refer specifically to "urban-type settlements" – which populated places often turn into when they lose city/town status. Therefore, it won't work. Solidest (talk) 22:13, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- if you are saying that it includes urban-type settlements, then the proper name is category:Former urban localities in Russia. --Altenmann >talk 21:10, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Renamed into what? "cities or towns"? cities? towns? I don't think this creates misinformation, since in reality some places are technically could be called cities and others are smaller towns, both words are still relevant in English. But we cannot make the distinction for each case as it would be OR. And the "cities and towns" wording is still widely used in similar cases, where the local language does not distinguish between terms. But if we had to choose, town would probably be more appropriate in this case. Solidest (talk) 19:23, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
If not renamed, another possibility is merging to Category:Former populated places in Russia.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 22 June 2025 (UTC)- I still think the correct option should be renaming. If you look at the contents of the category, the settlements there have downgraded from one status to another, they have not ceased to be populated places. Solidest (talk) 08:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Ok, I see what you mean. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- I still think the correct option should be renaming. If you look at the contents of the category, the settlements there have downgraded from one status to another, they have not ceased to be populated places. Solidest (talk) 08:11, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Other suggestions for rename targets?
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- @Solidest and Altenmann: shouldn't this category be split the same way as Category:Defunct towns in Russia further above on this page? Marcocapelle (talk) 12:21, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Do you mean the category’s content? I think that with the division of the category above, all articles can be distributed among these three new categories. "Populated places in Russia that lost city or town status" should probably be included in "Former cities and towns in Russia," and then some of the articles from this category can be moved to a more specific subcategory. Solidest (talk) 13:15, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Thoughts on a target?
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- Clarification: my question before relisting was about splitting to Category:Ghost towns in Russia and Category:Populated places in Russia that lost city or town status. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- I think that the general category should still be kept. In addition to derankings and ghost towns, there may also be historical sites or fortresses. So I also moved a couple dozen articles from "Defunct" here, as they were not fitting anywhere else. Solidest (talk) 13:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'm no longer sure that renaming into proposed variant would be the right move, given both branches Category:Former cities and Category:Former towns exists separately. The overlap may cause problems at this point. Although I would still prefer a single "cities and towns" root, into which individual "cities" and "towns" subcategories can be placed where it makes sense. But this probably needs to be discussed separately for the entire category branch, rather than for a single country. But at this point, I don't mind closing it without a name change. Solidest (talk) 14:05, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Brazilian transplant surgeons
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Brazilian transplant surgeons to Category:Transplant surgeons
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Brazilian surgeons.
Also nominating for merge:
- Category:Egyptian transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Egyptian surgeons
- Category:Iranian transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Iranian surgeons
- Category:Libyan transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Libyan surgeons
- Category:Romanian transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Romanian surgeons
- Category:Thai transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Thai surgeons LibStar (talk) 23:27, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge Category:Egyptian transplant surgeons with Category:Transplant surgeons and Category:Egyptian surgeons.
Weak merge for the rest. Thepharoah17 (talk) 23:40, 16 July 2025 (UTC) - Merge all per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:10, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom --Lenticel (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Afghan surgeons
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge all not singled out, without prejudice against renomination of the ones that were singled out. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Afghan surgeons to Category:Surgeons
- Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry, also merge with Category:Afghan physicians.
Also nominating for merge:
- Category:Algerian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Algerian physicians
- Category:Bermudian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Bermudian physicians
- Category:Chadian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Chadian physicians
- Category:Cypriot surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Cypriot physicians
- Category:Eritrean surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Eritrean physicians
- Category:Gambian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Gambian medical doctors
- Category:Surgeons from Georgia (country) with Category:Surgeons and Category:Physicians from Georgia (country)
- Category:Guinean surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Guinean physicians
- Category:Honduran surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Honduran physicians
- Category:Jamaican surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Jamaican physicians
- Category:Kazakhstani surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Kazakhstani physicians
- Category:Luxembourgian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Luxembourgian physicians
- Category:Mongolian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Mongolian physicians
- Category:Mozambican surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Mozambican physicians
- Category:Omani surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Omani physicians
- Category:Palauan surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Palauan physicians
- Category:Papua New Guinean surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Papua New Guinean physicians
- Category:Tanzanian surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Tanzanian medical doctors
- Category:Togolese surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Togolese physicians
- Category:Tongan surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Tongan medical doctors
- Category:Vietnamese surgeons with Category:Surgeons and Category:Vietnamese physicians LibStar (talk) 23:06, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:11, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Jamaican, which now has 3 members. Kazakhstan & Vietnam also have 2 now. – Fayenatic London 21:47, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
- 1, 2 or 3 does not make a great difference. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:19th-century Slovak lithographers
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:19th-century Slovak lithographers to Category:19th-century Slovak artists
- Propose merging Category:20th-century Slovak lithographers to Category:20th-century lithographers and Category:Slovak lithographers
- Nominator's rationale: upmerge for now. there are only two pages in this entire tree. I think we should repurpose Category:19th-century Slovak lithographers to a broader parent category SMasonGarrison 19:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support per nom, but then also merge the first category to Category:Slovak lithographers. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:17, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Lithuanian collaborators with the Soviet Union (1940–41)
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- The result of the discussion was: Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Following up on stale speedy. Norm isn't to limit to a range of years. Parent is "Collaborators with the Soviet Union by nationality".@Ymblanter and Marcocapelle: from last discussion. SMasonGarrison 19:10, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Lithuanian collaborators with the Soviet Union (1940–41) to Category:Lithuanian collaborators with the Soviet Union – C2C: Norm isn't to limit to a range of years. Parent is "Collaborators with the Soviet Union by nationality" SMasonGarrison 7:34 pm, 27 May 2025, Tuesday (1 month, 20 days ago) (UTC−4) I do not necessarily oppose, but if we include 1945-1990, then the whole population of Lithuania are collaborators.--Ymblanter (talk) 1:31 am, 28 May 2025, Wednesday (1 month, 20 days ago) (UTC−4) That is a fair point. Better take this to full discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 1:53 am, 29 May 2025, Thursday (1 month, 19 days ago) (UTC−4) |
- A category like this only makes sense in case of a short occupation. Since in this case there has been a short occupation (1940-1941) and a long occupation (1945-1990) a disambiguator is meaningful. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:15, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Agree with Marcocapelle. Removing years would include 45 years of occupation and practically every Lithuanian alive at the time which is meaningless. The category should be renamed to include "19" in the year range, ie Category:Lithuanian collaborators with the Soviet Union (1940–1941). Renata•3 21:48, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Macau films
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Macanese films to Category:Macau films
- Propose renaming Category:Macanese films by genre to Category:Macau films by genre
- Propose renaming Category:Macanese comedy films to Category:Macau comedy films
- Propose renaming Category:Macanese drama films to Category:Macau drama films
- Nominator's rationale: "Macanese" is ambiguous, sometimes referring to Macau generally and sometimes to the ethnic group Macanese people. It is clear now that Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_July_2#Macau_film-related_categories will not be carried, so I am instead nominating the other half of Macau's film categories, for consistency with other arts Category:Macau architecture, Category:Macau literature, Category:Macau music. – Fayenatic London 17:58, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:19, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Railway stations in South Australia closed in 1986
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 18:40, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Only 3 pages in the category - I think there's no need to split down to the state level here. – numbermaniac 15:30, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, none of these year categories has been split by state. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Nuclear weapons program of Israel
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to rename * Pppery * it has begun... 18:37, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Nuclear weapons program of Israel to Category:Nuclear weapons and Israel
- Nominator's rationale: I tried speedy renaming per WP:C2D but that didn’t work so I guess I’ll try here. So per this comment, the category should be renamed. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:33, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. Current category name is consistent with all other subcategories of its main parent category. The argument advanced in the link would have a point if there were no reliable sources that refer to an 'Israeli nuclear weapons program', but there are, many. Including this NYT article from just two weeks ago. NBC, Washington Post, Digital National Security Archive, and there are more. In the face of these reliable sources going "Israel doesn't officially acknowledge a nuclear weapons program so naming this category that isn't good" feels to me like a case for WP:NOTCENSORED. - The Bushranger One ping only 03:46, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- My original thought was to rename it Category:Nuclear program of Israel but then a user suggested WP:C2D. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:58, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- The current title both fits the other subcategories of its main parent category, and reliable sources. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- "Nuclear program" would fail to distinguish the topic from the parent Category:Nuclear technology in Israel. The topic of this category is nuclear weapons. – Fayenatic London 15:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- The current title both fits the other subcategories of its main parent category, and reliable sources. - The Bushranger One ping only 04:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- My original thought was to rename it Category:Nuclear program of Israel but then a user suggested WP:C2D. Thepharoah17 (talk) 03:58, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2D: main article Nuclear weapons and Israel. NLeeuw (talk) 05:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename following the article title. If there is a need to change the article title then see WP:RM. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:06, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed. The Bushranger is using the wrong venue to make a point. The categories should simply follow the mainspace, and the main article's title, wherever possible. The proper course of action is to request moving the main article's title before trying to change the category tree names. NLeeuw (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- ...except I'm not trying to change the category tree names. Trying to change the category tree names is what I'm opposing. Also note that
Before nominating a category to be renamed per WP:C2D, consider whether it makes more sense to move the article instead of the category.
- which in this case may well be true. Note also that while topic categories usually should follow the article name, it's not a requirement. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:03, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- ...except I'm not trying to change the category tree names. Trying to change the category tree names is what I'm opposing. Also note that
- Indeed. The Bushranger is using the wrong venue to make a point. The categories should simply follow the mainspace, and the main article's title, wherever possible. The proper course of action is to request moving the main article's title before trying to change the category tree names. NLeeuw (talk) 13:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to match the main article. I don't think the argument that this should match all the other pages on states with nuclear weapons holds up. There is a clear distinction in this case that justifies using a more ambiguous name. NPguy (talk) 18:15, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per WP:C2D. I'm open to discussing better names, but would favor that happening in the article space first and then deferring to that outcome. - RevelationDirect (talk) 22:00, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose. I agree with User:The Bushranger that we should retain this name for consistency with the other subcategories. The article itself is almost entirely about Israel's nuclear weapons program - the existence of which is made abundantly clear by the very detailed content of the article, along with its extensive citations. Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:37, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Keep. Although C2D permits categories to be speedily renamed for consistency with a main topic article, it explicitly only applies to cases that are uncontroversial, so has no weight here. WP:C2C is another rule that permits categories to be speedily renamed, in this case to be consistent with siblings, and this rule does not exclude controversial cases. Where C2C and C2D would result in different category names, C2C often overrides C2D in practice. Both can be overridden by a full CFD, but I see no good reason to override C2C in this case. The main article of Category:Nuclear weapons program of France is Force de dissuasion, and of Category:Nuclear weapons program of Russia is Russia and weapons of mass destruction (etc…), but the categories do not follow those names. As for the provisos in C2C, there is no ambiguity or doubt over the convention within Category:Nuclear weapons programs by country, just variations in spelling. – Fayenatic London 15:37, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Culture of Europe by language family
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete the second; no consensus to delete the first. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:09, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Following long-standing precedent on WP:NONDEFINING WP:CROSSCATs between language family and other things such as geography or music, these categories (created a few days/months ago) should be deleted. NLeeuw (talk) 04:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep the first (for now), delete the second, but open to discussion. IMHO it makes little sense to delete this parent category without deleting, or severely purging, its content. I agree that the cross between language family (or ethnicity) and geography is trivial and non-defining, and in even some cases racist. However there is a long history on Wikipedia of adding geographic content to ethnicized categories. E.g. Category:Culture of the Soviet Union is in Category:Baltic culture, Category:Celtic culture contains Category:Culture of Scotland/Wales/Ireland whereas not everything or everybody there can be qualified as Celtic and there is Celtic influence beyond these places.
- I created this language family category precisely to call these categories by what they are, instead of having them placed in ethnicity or nationality categories. Ultimately, I think the solution would be to forbid placing content about geographies in ethnic/linguistic categories. Place Clichy (talk) 08:47, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hmmmm. This seems to be a case of WP:POINT and WP:OTHERSTUFF. If you agree with the rationale, then I would happily invite you to help us with fixing this issue, which is indeed widespread and going back years. I and other editors have been making efforts to contain the overcategorisation of language families, and we sure could use your help. NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- PS: I've just removed "Baltic culture" from Soviet Union and "Celtic culture" from Scotland, Wales and Ireland, thanks for the tip! NLeeuw (talk) 14:00, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hmmmm. This seems to be a case of WP:POINT and WP:OTHERSTUFF. If you agree with the rationale, then I would happily invite you to help us with fixing this issue, which is indeed widespread and going back years. I and other editors have been making efforts to contain the overcategorisation of language families, and we sure could use your help. NLeeuw (talk) 13:49, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 14:43, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Germanic mysticism
editRelisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 August 2#Category:Germanic mysticism
Category:Male entertainers
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus to rename. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 15:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Male entertainers to Category:Men by entertainment occupation
- Propose renaming Category:Women entertainers to Category:Women by entertainment occupation
- Propose renaming Category:LGBTQ entertainers to Category:LGBTQ people by entertainment occupation
- Nominator's rationale: This rename is necessary to clarify that this is a container category, as not all entertainment occupations are necessarily gendered. Otherwise, it would appear to violate WP:OCEGRS. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:49, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Procedural keep per Fayenatic's reopening request. NLeeuw (talk) 14:07, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- I requested reopening because implementing this was proving problematic. (i) "by occupation" reduces the scope, e.g. Category:Gay entertainers was a non-diffusing subcat of Male entertainers, but is not a subcat by occupation. (ii) The nomination did not include the like-named subcats, such as Category:Women entertainers by nationality and Category:American women entertainers; navigation links were provided by {{fooian fooers}}, but this now creates fewer links than before, e.g. see American female dancers where we have to choose between "Dancers / Women by entertainment occupation" on the first line of the nav template (current version), or American dancers / American women entertainers on the second line (old version).
- Alternatively Category:Women entertainers would be a sensible parent to Category:Women entertainers by nationality, Category:Women by entertainment occupation, Category:LGBTQ women entertainers and Category:Jewish women entertainers, marked as a container category. I requested reopening rather than recreating it myself, not wanting to disrespect consensus as it flies in the face of the nominator's rationale.
- Also, if renaming/splitting, Category:Women entertainers by occupation would be a better name than Category:Women by entertainment occupation.
- My suggestions are either (A) keep/restore old name and structure, or (B) keep/restore and split to Category:Women entertainers by occupation etc. – Fayenatic London 16:42, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have restored the old structure pending this reopened discussion, and hope this makes the discussion clearer. I do also support tagging the categories as container categories, and have done that too. – Fayenatic London 21:40, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Censored works
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to delete * Pppery * it has begun... 18:36, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Falls under WP:SUBJECTIVECAT, as what the definition of censorship is in this instance is unclear. It can include both works directly censored by a government, or just works self-censored by the author, like a character saying "F***!" or a sex scene being skipped over, despite these things being drastically different in severity. This would also include all subcategories, besides "Works banned in___" which would be placed in a new Category:Banned works by country category. "Works subject to expurgation" suffers from the precise same issue as this one. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:34, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. 16 interwikis, numerous subcategories, what's subjective here? Sure, there are various types of censorship, which is why we have many articles and subcategories, as well as numerous lists (Category:Lists of prohibited books); and if something can be listified, it surely can be categorized.
Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 19:01, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Being prohibited/banned is different than simply being censored. It is a clear "Is this book banned somewhere? Yes/no" answer that has no subjectivity. Whether a work has undergone "censorship", however, can often be up to individuals to interpret. Nevertheless, there's an argument that even "banned works" fail WP:NONDEF as something being banned is not a defining trait of that work. Some things can merit a list but be improper for a category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 19:12, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- For some banned or censored works, this is very much a major part of their claim to fame or notability. Streisand effect, etc. PS. Example from the recent weeks: Reversed Front. The game is famous for becoming banned in China; it was pretty low key before that. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 12:22, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Procedural oppose, only the top category of the tree has been nominated and it would be useless to delete only that category. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:22, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep I agree with Piotrus, the censorship of the works and the persecution of their writers and publishers is a major part of their notability. Dimadick (talk) 04:22, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Television stations in Monterey, California
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- The result of the discussion was: rename to Category:Television stations in the Monterey Bay area. Clear consensus for a change. All participants seem alright in theory with Category:Television stations in the Monterey Bay area as a new name for the present category, and as always the old name can be recreated as a new category if one desires, without CFD approval. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:42, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with Wiki article Monterey Bay Mvcg66b3r (talk) 13:14, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- Conceptual Support/Possible Alternative We definitely should stop categorizing stations outside of Monterey in this category. @Mvcg66b3r: How about keeping Category:Television stations in Monterey, California and upmerging anything licenses outside the city to a new parent category, Category:Television stations in the Monterey Bay area? - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:22, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- If this happens, the one TV station in Category:Mass media in Salinas, California could be moved into the new parent category as well. – numbermaniac 14:03, 5 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Skarbek family
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 18:35, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: We do not create categories for random nonnotable families. --Altenmann >talk 13:31, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete Azuredivay (talk) 15:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep There is naviagtional value in linking verifiable relatives by a category, if it's large enough. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry Highly misleading navigation. There are plenty of people with common surname and pretty sure there are many families with the same surname. So, which family to pick? --Altenmann >talk 01:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- These five people are verifiably related. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 05:14, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry Highly misleading navigation. There are plenty of people with common surname and pretty sure there are many families with the same surname. So, which family to pick? --Altenmann >talk 01:07, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Altenmann is completely right. -- Just N. (talk) 13:54, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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Individual sport clubs and teams
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. Consensus to merge has not developed in ~six weeks. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:43, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Association football clubs and Category:Association football teams to Category:Association football clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Futsal clubs and Category:Futsal teams to Category:Futsal clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Bandy clubs and Category:Bandy teams to Category:Bandy clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Club cricket teams and Category:Cricket teams to Category:Cricket clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Curling clubs and Category:Curling teams to Category:Curling clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Cycling clubs and Category:Cycling teams to Category:Cycling clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Field hockey clubs and Category:Field hockey teams to Category:Field hockey clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Gaelic games clubs and Category:Gaelic games teams to Category:Gaelic games clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Gaelic football clubs and Category:Gaelic football teams to Category:Gaelic football clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Hurling clubs and Category:Hurling teams to Category:Hurling clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Indoor hockey clubs and Category:Indoor hockey teams to Category:Indoor hockey clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Kabaddi clubs and Category:Kabaddi teams to Category:Kabaddi clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Rowing clubs and Category:Rowing teams to Category:Rowing clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Table tennis clubs and Category:Table tennis teams to Category:Table tennis clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Tennis clubs and Category:Tennis teams to Category:Tennis clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Volleyball clubs and Category:Volleyball teams to Category:Volleyball clubs and teams
- Propose merging Category:Water polo clubs and Category:Water polo teams to Category:Water polo clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Australian rules football clubs to Category:Australian rules football clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Badminton clubs to Category:Badminton clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Beach soccer clubs to Category:Beach soccer clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Fencing clubs to Category:Fencing clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Goalball clubs to Category:Goalball clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Gymnastics clubs to Category:Gymnastics clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Handball clubs to Category:Handball clubs and teams
- Propose renaming Category:Ski clubs to Category:Ski clubs and teams
Nominator's rationale: Per the 2023 consensus to combine "sports clubs" and "sports teams" under unified "clubs and teams" categories, these categories (that have both "clubs" and "teams") should be merged as was done in their parent category Category:Sports clubs and teams / Category:Sports clubs and teams by sport. Merging them would improve consistency and follow the current categorization structure. As well as rename those that have "club" categories, no "team" categories, but still have national teams of their own to move to the new "clubs and teams" categories. FastCube (talk) 13:38, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Speedy Merge per WP:C2C, consistency with established category tree names. - RevelationDirect (talk) 19:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Oppose Category:Sports clubs and Category:Sports teams were merged because usage was differing in between sports. This doesn't mean individual sports categories need to be renamed against article usage. Categories are not properly tagged. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 11:21, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge Well how foolish of me to miss that clarification of the 2023 discussion: "Let the ones by sport remain as they usually are cohesive." hence as to why this change didn't occur in the first place. However, I believe these proposed renames and merges still fall within that consensus' spirit, particularly for sports where both "club" and "team" categories exist independently, and where there is frequent overlap or inconsistency in how they are categorized.
- For the rename-only cases, the goal here isn’t to eliminate the distinction between clubs and national teams, but rather to create a unified structural container ("X clubs and teams") that can house both types under a clearer hierarchy, as is done in the top-level Category:Sports clubs and teams by sport. For sports where only a "club" or only a "team" category exists, those can remain untouched. But where both exist, the logical next step is to merge them just to reduce duplication, confusion, and enhance usability. FastCube (talk) 05:24, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- To create one category for all types of clubs and teams per sport (national team, local team, college team, special team), you would need to rename e.g. Category:Association football teams to Category:Association football clubs and teams, not merge them with Category:Association football clubs.
- The proposed mergers would also create categories like Category:Football clubs and teams in Salisbury and Category:Football clubs and teams in Mbabane.
- Kaffet i halsen (talk) 06:46, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- That is the whole point, both the "clubs" and "teams" categories will need to be merged so that they will both redirect to the new "clubs and teams" category. In this case, there will never be a sole existing "clubs" and/or "teams" category. And yes, this move is planned to take into effect further down each individual sports' (those listed above) category trees, with the exception being the "(sport) clubs by league" category (probably for some sports) as most leagues only contain clubs. Other than that, the merge of both needs to happen. FastCube (talk) 13:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Category:Governors of the Thirteen Colonies
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename as nominated. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:08, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: rename, the current name wrongly suggests that these people were governors of the entirety of the Thirteen Colonies. Maybe alternatively rename to Category:Governors of colonies in the Thirteen Colonies but that is quite verbose. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- comment or maybe Category:Governors of the Thirteen Colonies by colony. Hmains (talk) 18:29, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Removes the ambiguity in the current name. – numbermaniac 05:26, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per Hmains. -- Just N. (talk) 13:42, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Category:Governors of the Thirteen Colonies by colony is not a great idea, as it keeps "of", which was the trigger for the nomination. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:02, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Joseph Dudley, Edmund Andros and Francis Nicholson were Governors of the Dominion of New England which briefly spanned most of the colonies, but they also served as governors of individual colonies and are categorised as such, so not much will be lost if this is changed to a container category "by colony". Nevertheless, I prefer Category:Governors in the Thirteen Colonies, which would allow them to remain in the parent also. An explanatory note can be added about that. – Fayenatic London 10:35, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Space and time
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 01:33, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Contents are unrelated apart from involving both space and time or the word "spatiotemporal". Some contents may be better placed within Category:Spacetime. See also the CfD for Category:Relations between space and time. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:46, 6 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep: notable intersection; and "spatiotemporal" concepts (databases, etc.) have little to do with the physics "spacetime" concept. fgnievinski (talk) 00:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Mushroom types
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename to Category:Fungal fruiting body types * Pppery * it has begun... 18:33, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Mushroom types to Category:Mushrooms
- Nominator's rationale: By standard naming convention, Category:Mushrooms should be the "proper" category for the mushroom article. However, that article lists Category:Mushroom types as its home. Unfortunately, the Wikidata for d:Q9471386 says that Category:Mushrooms is "the same as" Category:Fungi which is not correct - a mushroom is a kind of fungi. Currently Category:Mushrooms is a soft redirect to Category:Fungi (which is wrong but follows the Wikidata). 1) This category should be merged into Category:Mushrooms; 2) The soft redirect would obviously be removed; 3) The Wikidata fixed. Dpleibovitz (talk) 06:11, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 13:07, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename to Category:Fungal fruiting body types (or something else along those lines). From the contents of the category (aside from "mushroom" itself), it's pretty clear that the category is intended to include the different types of fungal fruiting bodies. Agaric is in the category, and is the article for the typical type of mushroom (stem and cap, spores not enclosed and borne on gills rather than pores or other structures). I'm not sure what to do with the mushroom article, or the redirecting Category:Mushrooms. Fruiting body redirects to sporocarp (fungus), and that article overlaps a lot with the concept presented in the mushroom article. Plantdrew (talk) 22:07, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Rename?
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- Rename per HouseBlaster. In any case, "types" is ambiguous with taxa because "mushroom" can refer to the whole fungus. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 13:48, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Jordanian Muslims
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- The result of the discussion was: keep but containerize. SMasonGarrison 19:37, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: As an instance of WP:OVERCAT. One of the most useless categories I came across, especially in countries where 99% of the population belongs to religion XYZ. It's like a country category for people whose name starts with the letter M, completely anecdotal. Yabroq (talk) 21:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Containerize rather than delete. While it is true what nom says, the same is not necessarily the case for the subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
- Keep Jordan is 95% Sunni Muslim, but we have categories for even more Muslim countries such as Category:Afghan Muslims. Some articles, such as Aida Al-Sufy and Musa Al-Taamari, don't specify a denomination, and many of the articles in the category don't verify religion and should be removed. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 15:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Multiple options on the table; which one is best? People who have already commented, are any of the alternative options acceptable?
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- Purging as LP03 proposes will, in practice, lead to containerization too, so I have no issue supporting that. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)
- Why? I don't see why that would be for the people whose religion is mentioned and verified. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Which specific articles would you propose to keep in the category? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Any article that verifies a person's religion and cannot be placed in an existing subcategory, such as Musa Al-Taamari. We don't subdivide sportspeople by religion. In this case, it will be mostly Muslims of unspecified or unknown denomination. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 03:08, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Which specific articles would you propose to keep in the category? Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Why? I don't see why that would be for the people whose religion is mentioned and verified. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep - Agree that not everyone in Jordan is a Muslim. Azuredivay (talk) 11:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- That is an excellent argument for keeping Category:Jordanian Christians, but not so much with regard to Category:Jordanian Muslims. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Fair enough to keep Musa Al-Taamari in the category. Put it more broadly, I am fine with purging as an alternative to containerization. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:05, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Containerize. The majority argument wins, and as a result such categories are filled based on assumptions such as appearance or last name. Place Clichy (talk) 15:02, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:American provincial military personnel
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- The result of the discussion was: No consensus to merge therefore rename to Category:British provincial military personnel in North America * Pppery * it has begun... 18:32, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: underpopulated category that is vaguely defined SMasonGarrison 02:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge, based on thd two articles in the category it does not look like a defining characteristic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:44, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am on the fence on this one as previously discussed here, but leaning towards keep. As discussed in provincial troops in the French and Indian Wars, provincial soldiers are a distinct classification. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename if Kept I'll defer to others on whether it's defining, but the name is ambiguous both with Provincial deputation in Spanish America and also "provincial" is often an insult meaning "rural" in American English. Maybe Category:British provincial military personnel in North America, since they appear to be post-1707. - RevelationDirect (talk) 21:31, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
- Good point with the use of "British" in the name. Following that point, the merge as proposed would be incorrect, because they are not "American" military personnel. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 00:37, 10 July 2025 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. -- Just N. (talk) 13:32, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- Recommend renaming to Category:British provincial military personnel in North America per RevelationDirect. A merge would incorrectly categorize as "American" military personal, which they are not. Semper Fi! FieldMarine (talk) 11:13, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Australian MPs 2025–2028
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- The result of the discussion was: New discussion started.. Please see Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_July_19#Members_of_the_Australian_House_of_Representatives_by_term where I've started a mass rename discussion. (non-admin closure) TarnishedPathtalk 10:26, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category engages in WP:CRYSTAL presuming that all of these politicians will be in office until 2028. Additionally a lot of them have been serving since before 2025. TarnishedPathtalk 13:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- As it is part of the the series Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term it could be renamed to Category:Australian MPs 2025–present like Category:UK MPs 2024–present to avoid WP:CRYSTAL. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- That category, and all of its subcategories, has since 12 December last year (as far as I can tell by looking at a few of the subcategories). Per my secondary argument about a lot of the politicians in the category having served prior to the starting date, you make an argument for all of those categories being deleted. TarnishedPathtalk 14:52, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- As it is part of the the series Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term it could be renamed to Category:Australian MPs 2025–present like Category:UK MPs 2024–present to avoid WP:CRYSTAL. Moondragon21 (talk) 13:41, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Delete along with Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term and all other subcategories. Year of parliamentary service is not a defining characteristic. I T B F 📢 14:02, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- +1. Now the question is do the category/subcategories need to be added to this nomination for a full discussion? TarnishedPathtalk 14:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- I suppose there are two very different discussions at stake here. One is about crystal ball, which can easily be fixed by renaming Category:Australian MPs 2025–2028 to Category:Australian MPs 2025– or to Category:Australian MPs 2025–present. The other discussion is about whether the whole series should exist in the first place. That discussion can only take place when all subcategories by term are listed and tagged. Note that Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_January_6#Members_of_the_Australian_House_of_Representatives_by_term was closed as no consensus. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- The renaming is the best idea here. Moondragon21 (talk) 11:48, 12 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename per Marco and Moondragon21. -- Just N. (talk) 13:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Rename noting the nominator's point that many of them were in parliament prior to 2025 - looking at Category:Members of the Australian House of Representatives by term, there are 48 subcategories and the newest term to begin is the 48th Parliament of Australia, so each of these subcategories align with one parliament, right? So perhaps we should rename this to something like "Category:MPs in the 48th Parliament of Australia" and rename the other 47 subcategories accordingly. – numbermaniac 13:38, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- That would make much more sense than 'Category:Australian MPs xxxx–yyyy' as there are always politicians that don't make it to the end of the term and those who come in part-way through. TarnishedPathtalk 14:01, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
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- For precedents on having categories by term, and precedents on naming the current term, see Category talk:Legislators by term. – Fayenatic London 21:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
Rename Remove "2028". Problem solved. Jevansen (talk)
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Category:Cultural festivals in Yugoslavia
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- The result of the discussion was: speedy keep (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 05:28, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: 1 P, 0 C. There is nothing specifically "Slavic" about the Sarajevo Winter Festival, and articles shouldn't be in containercats, so upmerge only to Category:Cultural festivals in Europe and Category:Festivals in Yugoslavia. NLeeuw (talk) 20:21, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
Merge per nom.Marcocapelle (talk) 06:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)- Comment Almost all entries in Category:Festivals in Yugoslavia are cultural and would fit into it. -- Just N. (talk) 12:52, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. I've populated it with 10 additional proper entries. No longer any reason to merge as proposed. Now it fits perfectly as a historical (Yugoslavia) sub category of Category:Cultural festivals in Europe. And I assume growth expectations: there should be a lot more articles e.g. on film and literature (and comic) festivals to be added in times to come. Does Wikipedia need a task force or software tech gimmick to activate wikipedians of Yugoslavian descent to get to work? -- Just N. (talk) 13:16, 15 July 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Qwerfjkltalk 13:22, 16 July 2025 (UTC)- Given the good job of Just N. to populate the category, I think my rationale for upmerging no longer applies. NLeeuw (talk) 14:38, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
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