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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:25, 24 August 2025 (UTC) [4].
- Nominator(s): ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
I came back from holiday to find that the two FLCs which I had open when I left had both been promoted, and uncharacteristically I did not have another one ready to go 
But now I do, so here it is. In 1995, the top of the AC chart was dominated by songs from a couple of films and a TV show which I hear was quite popular...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
- What happens when you get to 1998 and it's 52 weeks of My Heart Will Go On? ๐ Bgsu98 (Talk) 14:45, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
Comment from Birdienest81
The only thing I could think of regarding this list is probably the alt text can be a little more descriptive for the images. Perhaps listing just the year the photo was taken is fine. I learned that it's not necessary to describe what the person is wearing for an alt text unless this is an article dealing with fashion.
Otherwise everything looks fine. Can you proofread 97th Academy Awards for its prospective featured list promotion? I would appreciate the feedback.
- --Birdienest81talk 07:05, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Birdienest81: - done! And yes, I will take a look at your FLC -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support from me. Well done. I also addressed your comments about 97th Academy Awards regarding its featured list status.
- @Birdienest81: - done! And yes, I will take a look at your FLC -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
Comments by Alavense
- displacing the final number one of 1994 - You could link the 1994 list there.
- Three consecutive chart-toppers which between them held the top spot from early June until mid-November were taken from film and TV soundtracks - This sentence reads a bit convoluted, I think. Can it be reworked?
- The Eagles topped the AC chart for the first time since 1975 with their song โLove Will Keep Us Aliveโ - Those are curly.
That's what I saw. Kind regards, Alavense (talk) 10:54, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Alavense: - all done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:56, 19 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Alavense (talk) 06:42, 20 July 2025 (UTC)
Easternsahara
I'm going to do an image review now, and if no one does a source review in a while then I'd be happy to do one.
- File:Seal in Frankfurt am Main 2006.jpg - Public Domain
- File:MelissaEtheridgeGuitarHWoFSept2011.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Eagles cropped.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:InThisLifeUnderGround.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- alt text is good so image review pass
- add "use foo dates" and "use foo english" templates
- @Easternsahara: - I added those two templates -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:57, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
Medxvo
- Everything looks great to me, although I'd recommend linking theme song and R&B for those unfamiliar with the terms
- Source review
- Sources are reliable, consistently formatted, and have appropriate wikilinks
- Spot-checked refs 3, 8, 10, 13, 18, 23, 27, 34, 38, 42, 47, 53, 58, 60, 66 - no issues
- The Radio Times ref (13) seems
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Medxvo (talk) 22:09, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Medxvo - done! -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:32, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support. Medxvo (talk) 21:49, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
Promoting. --PresN 22:35, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 00:26, 20 August 2025 (UTC) [7].
- Nominator(s): -- Reconrabbit 12:19, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
With assistance from PresN, this list of mammals is a complete list of the hystricids, or the Old World porcupines. Found across Africa, the Levant, and Southeast Asia, these rodents are more similar to other spiny rats than they are to New World porcupines. Most are relatively unknown, and little has changed about their systematics in recent years. This list attempts to reflect current scientific consensus. -- Reconrabbit 12:19, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
Image review
@Reconrabbit:Here's an image review from me! Arconning (talk) 13:51, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- File:Hystrix indica 365302751.jpg - CC BY 4.0
- File:Atherurus africanus 61628262.jpg - CC BY 4.0
- File:Atherurus africanus distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Brush-tailed Porcupine, Atherurus macrourus in Kaeng Krachan national park (15925250476).jpg - CC BY-SA 2.0
- File:Atherurus macrourus distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Puercoespรญn (Hystrix africanus).jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Hystrix africaeaustralis distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Westafrikanisches Stachelschwein.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Hystrix cristata distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Weissschwanzstachelschwein Hystrix indica Tierpark Hellabrunn-12 (cropped).jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Hystrix indica distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Hystrix brachyura, Malayan porcupine.jpg - CC BY-SA 3.0
- File:Hystrix brachyura distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Dikobraz palawanskรฝ zoo praha 1.jpg - CC BY-SA 4.0
- File:Hystrix pumila distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Hystrix sumatrae, the Sumatran Porcupine (12616233295).jpg - CC BY 2.0
- File:Hystrix sumatrae distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Landak Jawa Hystrix javanica.JPG - Public Domain
- File:Hystrix javanica distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:HystrixCrassispinisBerjeau.jpg - Public Domain, needs a US Public Domain tag as well
- File:Hystrix crassispinis distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- File:Long-tailed Porcupine, Keningau, MY-SA, MY imported from iNaturalist photo 529916299.jpg - CC BY 4.0
- File:Trichys fasciculata distribution map.png - CC BY-SA 3.0 de
- All images have alt-text besides range maps (query: do range maps require alt-text for accessibility?), captions are appropriate and are relevant.
- I suppose you could manually change the alt text for range maps, but Template:Species table/row automatically sets the alt text for all range maps to "Map of range" (visible on the template source and by inspecting accessibility properties on the map images). -- Reconrabbit 14:02, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- I think I'll accept that for now, the one image just needs the required tag and I think it'll be set. Arconning (talk) 01:17, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- PD-US-expired has been added. -- Reconrabbit 15:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Pass image review. Arconning (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- PD-US-expired has been added. -- Reconrabbit 15:52, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- To clarify for anyone reading, I did get this sorted with the ACCESS people years back: the accessibility text for an image for someone using a screen reader is the alt text plus the caption. It reads out both, one after the other. So the alt text shouldn't duplicate what's in the caption; in this case, it makes the most sense to just put all of the text in the caption and make the alt text blank, so that's what the template does. --PresN 14:06, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- All images have alt-text besides range maps (query: do range maps require alt-text for accessibility?), captions are appropriate and are relevant.
Comments
- Per WP:BOLDLINK you shouldn't link Hystricidae when its bolded under "Classification section. Also it would be excessive linking as you have it twice in the same section quite closely together
- "Range maps are provided wherever possible; if a range map is not available, a description of the hystricids's range is provided. " Now, I understand that this is a boilerplate template but is it necessary to have this note included when population range maps are provided for each genus? ๐ช๐ญ Easternsahara U T C 18:41, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- I actually missed that Trichys fasciculata had a range map somehow. That sentence and the following one have been truncated and combined into just "Ranges (maybe 'range maps'?) are based on the IUCN Red List data for that species", since all maps are based on the IUCN data. The bold link is no longer a link. -- Reconrabbit 23:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support nomination, originally I was planning to do a source review but I couldn't access those resources ๐ช๐ญ Easternsahara U T C 02:24, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- I actually missed that Trichys fasciculata had a range map somehow. That sentence and the following one have been truncated and combined into just "Ranges (maybe 'range maps'?) are based on the IUCN Red List data for that species", since all maps are based on the IUCN data. The bold link is no longer a link. -- Reconrabbit 23:38, 21 July 2025 (UTC)
Comments
- As ever, very hard to pick up on anything with your lists, but I would suggest maybe linking the first use of "tubers", as I am not sure that this is a commonly known word -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:44, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Since Novak's item "tubers" is a novel addition to many of the species' diets, I added that link alongside the other commonly eaten items in the introductory paragraph. Thank you, by the way. This is my first list nomination, but I was only able to do it because of PresN. -- Reconrabbit 12:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well done for spotting that I didn't read the nom statement properly!!!!!!!!
Anyway, great work and happy to support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 13:07, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well done for spotting that I didn't read the nom statement properly!!!!!!!!
- Since Novak's item "tubers" is a novel addition to many of the species' diets, I added that link alongside the other commonly eaten items in the introductory paragraph. Thank you, by the way. This is my first list nomination, but I was only able to do it because of PresN. -- Reconrabbit 12:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
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I shall conduct a source review of this article, patience would be appreciated given I'm still new to source reviews for featured content. Icepinner 23:06, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
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Given how short the article is, a spot check for every source will be conducted. @Reconrabbit: Given some of the sources are offline books, I would appreciate it if you could send me photographs of the cited pages, either through my Discord or email. Icepinner 23:10, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Reviewer's comment: Pages of Nowak 1999 were supplied to me on Discord, courtesy of PresN. Icepinner 11:20, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
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Even though I am conducting a source review, I couldn't help but notice some things that need to be addressed
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- Addendum: there's a cite error somewhere, "MamWorld1644" is defined but not used? Would like it fixed. Icepinner 11:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
Promoting (and fixed the above cite error). --PresN 16:34, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2025 (UTC) [10].
- Nominator(s): dxneo (talk) 04:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
Coming from a failed nomination, the list is now polished. I believe that it is now ready. dxneo (talk) 04:29, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Per WP:CROSSCAT, Wikipedia is not for
Non-encyclopedic cross-categorizations, such as "people from ethnic / cultural / religious group X employed by organization Y" or "restaurants specializing in food type X in city Y". Cross-categories such as these are not considered a sufficient basis for creating an article, unless the intersection of those categories is in some way a culturally significant phenomenon.
The sources prove that these individuals received nominations/awards, but I don't really see sources in the list that discuss this group as a whole to demonstrate this is a "culturally significant phenomenon". Can you explain this? RunningTiger123 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2025 (UTC)- i have read this for like 8 times now, but i still don't get it. Would you please point out the errors so that i can fix them. dxneo (talk) 17:18, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- What it means is basically that RunningTiger123 think that this list should not exist. The excerpt from WP:CROSSCAT means that just because all the winners on the list are South African, that doesn't mean that there is a set group talked about in RS called "South African Grammy Award winners and nominees". Members of this list just happen to be both, I don't think the Grammys actual care or keep track of the nationalities of their nominees. This is not a fixable issue unless you can find RSs talking about this group as a whole. History6042๐ (Contact me) 18:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is what I meant. Sources must show that "South African Grammy winners and nominees" is a notable topic or grouping to justify a list. (As an analogy: There have been Grammy winners with blond hair, but that is not enough to create List of blond Grammy Award winners and nominees, as there aren't sources about that group.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- To compare this to "winners with blond hair" sounds very unfair. This is a list just like List of Billboard Hot 100 number ones of 2025 or any other musician's awards and nominations list, it's a compilation. Lists are rarely discussed in RS as a whole. Every country/region with multiple Grammy awards and nominations have a standalone list/article including the US, see Category:Lists of Grammy Award winners and nominees by nationality. As for RS about South African Grammy awards winners, there are plenty (Bona, Good Things Guy, The South African and more) but it's really not that necessary to cite all those sources. If this list "shouldn't exist", by all means, let's take it to AfD so that we can stop further production of such list. In conclusion, this is a very good list highlighting only South African winners and nominees. dxneo (talk) 07:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- I spent half an hour trying to figure out how to better word things, but I couldn't find any clearer way to make my point โ this is pretty clearly the type of list CROSSCAT is talking about and not like the other examples you offered. I agree my analogy was extreme, but I was trying to show why CROSSCAT exists to prevent us from synthesizing arbitrary list topics. That being said, since you found several sources that seem to show coverage of this grouping, you should incorporate those into the list's lead and let reviewers assess whether those prove the topic's notability. RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:06, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe this helps: When a musician wins an award, sources covering that will list both the award and the musician; we don't have to synthesize a connection between the two. Similarly, when a single hits number one on the charts, the chart's date is given; we don't have to synthesize a connection between the year and the song. However, when an artist wins a Grammy, their nationality is (broadly speaking) not mentioned in sources โ for instance, you won't see the Grammy nominations list mention nationality anywhere. So if you start connecting the winners to their nationality, you need sources to prove that the connection is meaningful. Does that help? RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:17, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
- Well, thank you so much. I think I have adequately added the sources and everything should be fine now. dxneo (talk) 18:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
- To compare this to "winners with blond hair" sounds very unfair. This is a list just like List of Billboard Hot 100 number ones of 2025 or any other musician's awards and nominations list, it's a compilation. Lists are rarely discussed in RS as a whole. Every country/region with multiple Grammy awards and nominations have a standalone list/article including the US, see Category:Lists of Grammy Award winners and nominees by nationality. As for RS about South African Grammy awards winners, there are plenty (Bona, Good Things Guy, The South African and more) but it's really not that necessary to cite all those sources. If this list "shouldn't exist", by all means, let's take it to AfD so that we can stop further production of such list. In conclusion, this is a very good list highlighting only South African winners and nominees. dxneo (talk) 07:38, 23 June 2025 (UTC)
- Agreed, this is what I meant. Sources must show that "South African Grammy winners and nominees" is a notable topic or grouping to justify a list. (As an analogy: There have been Grammy winners with blond hair, but that is not enough to create List of blond Grammy Award winners and nominees, as there aren't sources about that group.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:46, 22 June 2025 (UTC)
- What it means is basically that RunningTiger123 think that this list should not exist. The excerpt from WP:CROSSCAT means that just because all the winners on the list are South African, that doesn't mean that there is a set group talked about in RS called "South African Grammy Award winners and nominees". Members of this list just happen to be both, I don't think the Grammys actual care or keep track of the nationalities of their nominees. This is not a fixable issue unless you can find RSs talking about this group as a whole. History6042๐ (Contact me) 18:33, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- i have read this for like 8 times now, but i still don't get it. Would you please point out the errors so that i can fix them. dxneo (talk) 17:18, 21 June 2025 (UTC)
- The sources now in the article appear to show some level of coverage of the group. Personally, this still feels like synthesis to me, but I'm willing to move past this, as I think consensus would disagree with me. Other issues that need to be addressed in the list:
- "won the Best Folk Recording" โ remove "the"
- "won her first gramophone" โ just say "Grammy", an actual gramophone is something else
- "the inaugural Best African Music Performance" โ "the inaugural Best African Music Performance award"
- Set sort values for works to omit "A" / "An" / "The" at the start (this would include "Les" in Les Miserables, in my opinion)
- Meaning I should do it like {{sort|Miserables|Les Miserables}}? dxneo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Exactly. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Meaning I should do it like {{sort|Miserables|Les Miserables}}? dxneo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ref. column should not be sortable
- Can you please explain this a little, i'm lost. dxneo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Set class="unsortable" in the column header โ see Help:Sortable tables#Making selected columns unsortable. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Can you please explain this a little, i'm lost. dxneo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
- Use en dash instead of hyphen for Best Performance โ Folk, Best Engineered Recording โ Non-Classical (occurs twice)
- Convert all categories to sentence case ("of", "the", "from", "by", "with" etc. should not be capitalized unless they are the first word, which isn't the case here)
- A few words still need to be addressed. RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- All done. Would you please double check if I missed anything. dxneo (talk) 14:24, 16 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please fix "Best Score from the Original Cast Show Album" (occurs twice) and update the sorting (all columns except Ref. should be sortable; I provided an example). RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your hardwork, caps were very difficult to catch. You the best! I believe everything is fine now. dxneo (talk) 19:59, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please fix "Best Score from the Original Cast Show Album" (occurs twice) and update the sorting (all columns except Ref. should be sortable; I provided an example). RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:24, 17 July 2025 (UTC)
- 1985: "Grammy Award for Best Vocal Arrangement for Two or More Voices" โ remove "Grammy Award for"
- 2011 and 2012: all categories in these years should start with "Best" for consistency
- โ RunningTiger123 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello Tiger, all done, except where stated. dxneo (talk) 20:07, 14 July 2025 (UTC)
Support โ personally I'm still a bit skeptical about CROSSCAT, as the sources for this grouping are still a bit thin, but I don't want to block this nomination over that. RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:03, 18 July 2025 (UTC)
Comments
Here'll be some of my comments. Arconning (talk) 14:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- File:Vocal music, Paris - UNESCO House - UNESCO - PHOTO0000004878 0001.tiff - CC BY-SA 3.0 igo, source link needs to be fixed for WP:V
- File:Tyla in 2025.jpg - CC BY 3.0
- "South Africa produced thirteen Grammy Award winners.", "South Africa has produced thirteen Grammy Award winners."
- "South Africa has won a total of 33 Grammy Awards from 112 nominations.", shouldn't this be "Artists from South Africa have won a total of 33 Grammy Awards from 112 nominations." + "as of..."
- I can see that most of the sources aren't archived? This should be fixed if they become deadlinks.
- "and Soweto Gospel Choir with three.", "and the Soweto Gospel Choir with three."
- "Nominated artists include Hugh Masekela and Trevor Noah among others.", "Nominated artists include Hugh Masekela and Trevor Noah, among others."
Done dxneo (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
- Oh and as for archives, the Grammys website is not under any threat of linkrot. I made sure that I archive each and every article tho. dxneo (talk) 16:50, 28 June 2025 (UTC)
Drive-by comment
- "Africa had its first Grammy Award winner when South African recording artist Miriam Makeba won Best Folk Recording for An Evening With Belafonte/Makeba in 1966 at the 8th Annual Grammy Awards." - according to the table, Phil Ramone won the year before.........? -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 09:25, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I guess they are referring to original work, since Ramone is an engineer. Most sources, if not all, including the Grammys, cite Makeba as the first winner. I once asked the same thing on Makeba's talk page (FA) for correspondence, and I was told to follow the sources. How would you approach this? dxneo (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I suspect the main reason is that they don't consider Phil Ramone to be African. While acknowledging that he was born in South Africa,this source describes him as American, and this one refers to him in the same way. This one calls him a "US music producer". This one states that he became an American citizen at the age of 12, long before his music career started. This raises the question of whether he should even be on this list at all, to which I would say.....I'm not sure...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:26, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- How absurd. He performed for Queen Elizabeth at the age of 10, his musical journey started at the age of 3 (in South Africa). This might be a dual citizenship thing, I'm not sure. Sources go against each other, but he was born in South Africa after all, he's a native. Question is, what's the way forward? Do we remove him or keep him? Alternatively, do we separate engineers from the recording artists (original work)? Your take on this? dxneo (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe I should have been more specific and said long before his professional music career started..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 19:09, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- How absurd. He performed for Queen Elizabeth at the age of 10, his musical journey started at the age of 3 (in South Africa). This might be a dual citizenship thing, I'm not sure. Sources go against each other, but he was born in South Africa after all, he's a native. Question is, what's the way forward? Do we remove him or keep him? Alternatively, do we separate engineers from the recording artists (original work)? Your take on this? dxneo (talk) 18:15, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- I suspect the main reason is that they don't consider Phil Ramone to be African. While acknowledging that he was born in South Africa,this source describes him as American, and this one refers to him in the same way. This one calls him a "US music producer". This one states that he became an American citizen at the age of 12, long before his music career started. This raises the question of whether he should even be on this list at all, to which I would say.....I'm not sure...... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:26, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sources may go against each other, but I don't think you can simply disregard the fact that, as it stands, the lead and the table contradict each other. I would suggest saying something like "Miriam Makeba has been widely reported as the first African Grammy winner, although Phil Ramone, who was born in South Africa and moved to the United States as a child, had worn a year earlier" -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:26, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Wanted to add this as a note, but I guess it is okay now. Thank you! That really stressed me out when I was improving the list. dxneo (talk) 01:15, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- I guess they are referring to original work, since Ramone is an engineer. Most sources, if not all, including the Grammys, cite Makeba as the first winner. I once asked the same thing on Makeba's talk page (FA) for correspondence, and I was told to follow the sources. How would you approach this? dxneo (talk) 10:43, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Further comments
- The lead image of Makeba is tiny and could be made larger, maybe to upright=1.4
- "during her exile" makes it sound like everyone knows what this is. Expand it a little to "during an exile from the country which lasted from 1960 until 1990"
- "Nominated artists include Hugh Masekela and Trevor Noah, among others" - no reason for the last two words, as saying "include" makes it clear that they are not the only two
- In the 90s section, Savuka is spelt incorrectly
- "Including Herbert Kretzmer, born and raised in Kroonstad, Free State, South Africa and moved to London, England in the early 1950s" => "Including Herbert Kretzmer, who was born and raised in Kroonstad, Free State, South Africa and moved to London, England in the early 1950s"
- Notes a and c do not need full stops as they are not complete sentences -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 08:24, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- Done. I honestly didn't know what exile was until I read about her,haha! dxneo (talk) 10:36, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 11:30, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
Source review passed; promoting. --PresN 00:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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The list was promoted by PresN via FACBot (talk) 12:25, 15 August 2025 (UTC) [11].
- Nominator(s): History6042๐ (Contact me) 18:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
I am nominating this for featured list because I think it meets the criteria. After searching for one, I could not find a suitable image. History6042๐ (Contact me) 18:17, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Source review by Bgsu98
This was originally a drive-by comment: This first sentence: In the 2025 Michelin Guide, there are seven restaurants in Thailand with a Michelin-star rating. I'm assuming Thailand should be Malta? Bgsu98 (Talk) 19:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Bgsu98, fixed. History6042๐ (Contact me) 21:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Sources appear to be properly formatted. Multiple sources need to be archived (no. 5, no. 6, no. 8, no. 9). Spot check
- No. 3 โ Checks out.
- No. 7 โ Checks out.
- No. 11 โ Checks out.
- No. 12 & No. 13 โ Verify all of the information.
User:History6042: I ran the article through ArchiveBot for you. Let me know once you've archived those last few sources. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Source review passed. Bgsu98 (Talk) 23:57, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. History6042๐ (Contact me) 23:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)
Easternsahara
Everything is a nitpick because there isn't much content here, not your fault but just the way it is.
- "although they were still given" add a "nonetheless" at the end of the sentence.
- Each year since 2023, each Michelin-starred in the nation has sent a chef to prepare one dish each, to the Dine with the Stars event, a charitable event to raise money for the Malta Community Chest Fund. " โ "Every year since 2023, each Michelin-starred restaurant in the nation has sent a chef, who prepares a single dish, to the Dine with the Stars event which is a charitable event raising money for the Malta Community Chest Fund." :*Used "each" thrice in a sentence, so I switched that. sentence also used too many commas imo, otherwise good and im ready to support prose review
- @Easternsahara: all done. History6042๐ (Contact me) 01:23, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- support Easternsahara (talk) 01:25, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
Birdienest81
- Accoding WP:ALLCAPS, Reduce newspaper headlines and other titles from all caps to title case. In this case, change MICHELIN in the titles to Michelin.
- Wikilink all names of publications or organizations providing the citations if there is a Wikipedia page available (i.e. Michelin Guide, CNN, and Times of Malta).
That's it from me. Although next time, you should wait for at least three distinct supports (four or more explicit supports are more preferable, but three supports are fine if the last has been nominated for maybe at least two weeks) for the first nomination before nominating a second list up for consideration. I'm just pointing out the rules that say, "Nominators who have previously successfully nominated a list may have two concurrent featured list nominations only if the first active nomination has gained substantial support and reviewers' concerns have been substantially addressed." Only two supports seems a bit low for a list only nominated less than a week (much less only been up two days).
- --Birdienest81talk 02:17, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Birdienest81, all done, and sorry, I thought two would be enough. History6042๐ (Contact me) 02:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @History6042: One more thing, it's probably better to not link the title of publisher of the citations if they don't have Wikipedia pages themselves (i.e. Fine Dining Lovers and Lovin Malta). For San Pelligrino, it should be linked to S.Pellegrino.
- --Birdienest81talk 02:29, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Birdienest81, done. History6042๐ (Contact me) 02:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- Support - Looks better.
- @Birdienest81, done. History6042๐ (Contact me) 02:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Birdienest81, all done, and sorry, I thought two would be enough. History6042๐ (Contact me) 02:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)
It is a wonderful world
Hello @History6042 apologies for taking so long to get to this. I just finished moving house! IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Prose
Fixed prose issues
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Before a star is given, multiple anonymous Michelin inspectors visit the restaurants several times: The non-plural "star" doesn't match with the plural "restaurants" IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) to subtly sponsor their tires: "Sponsor" is the wrong verb here. When a company is "sponsoring" their own products, the correct word is "Promote" IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) Inspectors have at least ten years of expertise and create a list of popular restaurants supported by media reports, reviews, and diner popularity, for them to inspect: The inspectors' experience and how they go about selecting the restaurants are rather disparate facts. I think this sentence would be better split to retain separate ideas in separate sentences. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) Over time Michelin stars became more valuable: "valuable" is quite vague here. "Prestigious" would be more accurate, but I think it would be best to add another quick source to support that word specifically. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
If the Michelin inspectors If the criteria are not met, the restaurant will lose its stars: "loses" would be better than "will lose" here, as it emphasises that this is a general rule which has happened in the past too. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) The Maltese Guide: This should be italicized and I think it would be better to use the full name "Michelin Guide Malta" IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) The Maltese Guide They signed an five year agreement: "five year" should be hyphenated since it is a compound adjective, and it should be "a", not "an". IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) to get them to review: Conversational tone. I suggest "to commission a review" to formalize it IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) No need to double link the euro sign IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) The 2023 edition raised โฌ14,000 and in 2024 raised โฌ22,000.: This sentence is grammatically incorrect, but I actually think "The 2023 edition raised โฌ14,000" should be cut as overdetail. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Is there info on the 2025 version of dine with the stars? IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
to the Dine with the Stars event which is a charitable event: Make more concise and remove repetition of "event" IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) Where are the cuisine types supported in the references? IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
I think it's worth linking to "Lists of Michelin-starred restaurants" in the "see also" IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC) |
This was done by encouraging drivers to use their cars more and therefore need to replace the tires as they wore out:
- It's unclear what "this" refers to
- The explanation "by encouraging drivers to use their cars more and therefore need to replace the tires as they wore out" does not make sense when applying to how they sponsored. The explanation is a crafty strategy to increase demand, not a form of sponsorship.
- This statement is stronger than the source. The source says the brothers "thought" this might happen, but this article states it as a fact.
- "need" doesn't match the past tense of "was done" set earlier in the sentence IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hmm the way it's written isn't really ideal.
- Having people drive more to wear out their tires more isn't really a method of promotion, so the phrasing "and to subtly promote their tires by increasing demand" and the following sentence contain inaccurate wording. In addition, "to subtly promote their tires by increasing demand", and "The promotion was done by encouraging drivers to use their cars more and therefore needing to replace the tires as they wore out" is largely repeating information, albeit in more detail. Merging this would make it more concise.
- Could you rearrange the references to the end of the sentences so it's easier to verify facts? Putting them all at the end of the paragraph makes it harder to know which refs to check for each statement.
- "The promotion was done by encouraging drivers to use their cars more and therefore needing to replace the tires as they wore out": this sentence really needs to be restructured a bit for clarity and academic tone. How about "The promotion encouraged drivers to drive more, which in turn increased tire wear and boosted replacement sales"?
- "subtly" is not supported by any sources
- I'm 99% sure the ref to Latterly is AI generated, from the text and the shell website
- IAWW (talk) 17:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry @History6042 I still think this is far from being professional level prose, and I don't think it doesn't accurately represent the source. Here are my precise issues currently:
- The source does not contain this idea of two purposes
- and to increase sales of their tires by increasing demand. The promotion encouraged drivers to drive more, which in turn increased tire wear and boosted replacement sales: These sentences should be merged as they discuss the same idea.
- This explanation of why Michelin created the guide is awkwardly wedged between descriptions of what the guide actually was
- which in turn increased tire wear and boosted replacement sales: We don't actually know this happened, this was just what the Michelin owners thought might happen.
- Unfortunately it seems we are entering a WP:FIXLOOP, and I'm reluctant to continue on this path. Either I oppose based on prose of this part of the text, or I take a more hands on approach to help fix the issues. I'm not sure what the standard practice is here. @FLC director and delegates: can I get involved in restructuring this prose and continue the review, or will that make me too involved to review? Regardless @History6042, I'll help develop this article whether I continue as a reviewer or not. IAWW (talk) 20:55, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, okay, I have rewritten the whole thing, however, I do not understand the thing about placement, where would you say would be better? Or, if it would make the article better, I could remove it as unneeded detail. History6042๐ (Contact me) 21:20, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @History6042, what you wrote certainly fixed multiple issues. However it was in my opinion still disconnected and phrased awkwardly, probably in an effort to avoid making the same mistakes highlighted previously. I went ahead and changed several aspects:
- I cut the info about the increase in demand, since I think that info is not relevant enough to this article. I actually moved the info to the main Michelin Guide article since it was well written, sourced, and directly relevant there.
- I replaced that info with info about the introduction of the Michelin star rating, which is more relevant to this article subject.
- I added back the info about Michelin stars becoming more prestigious, since I think that is very important. I also made it stronger as I found some really good sourcing.
- I made the whole article consistent with British English as Malta uses a variant very similar.
- Various other copyedits to that first paragraph
- Feel completely free to push back on any of the changes I made since you are the nominator. IAWW (talk) 09:00, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Those all seem good thanks, I'll get to work on your prose review now. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:22, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @History6042, what you wrote certainly fixed multiple issues. However it was in my opinion still disconnected and phrased awkwardly, probably in an effort to avoid making the same mistakes highlighted previously. I went ahead and changed several aspects:
- @It is a wonderful world: No concerns with making the prose changes yourself as part of a review. It's usually not done, but it's better than a fixloop. --PresN 02:06, 8 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, okay, I have rewritten the whole thing, however, I do not understand the thing about placement, where would you say would be better? Or, if it would make the article better, I could remove it as unneeded detail. History6042๐ (Contact me) 21:20, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry @History6042 I still think this is far from being professional level prose, and I don't think it doesn't accurately represent the source. Here are my precise issues currently:
They rate the restaurants on five criteria: "quality of products", "mastery of flavour and cooking techniques", "the personality of the chef represented in the dining experience", "harmony of flavour", and "consistency between inspectors' visits": I think these should be paraphrased, not quoted, because the two cited sources use different wording, which means the wording is not standardised
- Done
The stars are not permanent and restaurants are re-evaluated every year: Note the Guardian source says "A former inspector, Pascal Rรฉmy, said that although all restaurants are supposed to be revisited every 18 months, they are actually only visited every three-and-a-half years". I think it's worth very tightly summarising this in a footnote for neutrality.
- Done
They create a list of popular restaurants supported by media reports, reviews, and diner popularity, for them to inspect. If the Michelin inspectors reach a consensus, Michelin awards the restaurant from one to three stars. One star means "high-quality cooking, worth a stop", two stars signify "excellent cooking, worth a detour", and three stars denote "exceptional cuisine, worth a special journey": Could you cite this to a more up to date source? The current source is 17 years old which is a long time in the food industry. This is especially relevant because there is some inconsistency between this source and modern sources.
- Fixed, it is now sourced to one from 2024.
NOTE TO SELF: Check the word "consensus" accurately reflects the new source
The deal did not mandate the awarding of stars to Maltese restaurants, although they were still given nonetheless: Unnecessary detail in my opinion.
- Done
Comprehensiveness
I found one source that I think should be included: [12] IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Refs
Old spot check
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Pick either title case or sentence case and use in consistently in the references. Spot check numbers based on this version: [2a]: They were designed as a guide to tell drivers about which eateries they should visit: This is a bit misleading as it wasn't their sole purpose according to the source. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
and to subtly sponsor their tires: This is actually not supported by the source IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
I see this point and the prose points relating to this part are also relevant to other Michelin lists, some of which are featured, so the issues should be fixed on those articles too. I'll help with that if you would like? IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
[2c]: Supports [5a]: Supports [1b]: Doesn't support the respective part of the table. I suspect this is also the case of the other refs in the table. IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
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Several issues came up in the spot check, so I am going to do a full source-text integrity check. Source numbers based on this version.
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[2a]:
[3]:
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[2b, 5]: "Michelin inspectors visit each restaurant several times" is not supported. In fact, one of the sources says the inspectors do not visit the same restaurant multiple times.
[6]: Inspectors have at least ten years of expertise: The cited (Guardian, 2008) source says 5 years, while another source (CNN, 2024) says 10 years. I would keep the 10-year figure, cited to the CNN source since it is the most recent, but add a footnote explaining that the Guardian said in 2008 that they have at least five years.
[2c]: The source only supports for the year after they were awarded the star. It doesn't support that they are reevaluated every year in general.
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[8]: I think there is a little bit of editorializing with "although", but in the prose review I suggest removing that sentence entirely. The rest is fine
[9] and [11] are the same. Also, I think this strong secondary source should be used in place of one of the others. Just ensure 2023 is supported.
[12a]: Doesn't support the cuisine type of Bahia
[12a]: Doesn't support the ___location of Bahia
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[17] is not needed, I suggest removing it for simplicity
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Images
I really think this should have an image. Is there any image of any of the restaurants on Commons? IAWW (talk) 10:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, no problem with the delay, I'll start working now. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I searched through Commons and found nothing. History6042๐ (Contact me) 14:10, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, all done, or responded to. History6042๐ (Contact me) 14:11, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @History6042 Replies above IAWW (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, done, except for the things about cuisine sourcing, which I have asked at the Michelin WikiProject talk page, because I am just making sure. History6042๐ (Contact me) 19:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, I have added citations for the cuisines and locations. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:20, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, I also rewrote the lede thing about the purpose. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:22, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @History6042 Thank you, apologies for taking some time to get back to this review. Several of my inactive reviews became inactive at once, right as I had to get a Uni assignment due it. I will get to this soon. IAWW (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- No problem, thanks. History6042๐ (Contact me) 14:21, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @History6042 updated comments are above. I added some prose points and did a full TSI check. There are several outstanding issues. IAWW (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- For the spotcheck:
- 2b and 5 - I disagree - 2b says "Furthermore, any restaurant thatโs under consideration will have served multiple different inspectors who decide to award a star as a team" - I rephrased the sentence for clarity though.
- 6 - Added the note
- 2c - Added a source that supports it
- 8 - Removed
- 9 and 11 - Fixed and added the suggested source
- 17 - Removed, @It is a wonderful world. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:16, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, also responded to the prose review. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:33, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @History6042 just one more issue from me:
- You missed [12a] and [12b] on the spot check
- @Birdienest81 and @Easternsahara several large prose changes were made during this review so the article is looking quite different to when you supported promotion. Could you guys read through and check you still have no issues? IAWW (talk) 09:24, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, I will get to that today. Thanks, History6042๐ (Contact me) 11:43, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, done. History6042๐ (Contact me) 12:59, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support! Nice work :) IAWW (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, :) History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:40, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Support! Nice work :) IAWW (talk) 13:12, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- yes, and I would like to thank you for your extensive review ๐ช๐ญ Easternsahara U T C 13:53, 12 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey @History6042 just one more issue from me:
- For the spotcheck:
- Hey @History6042 updated comments are above. I added some prose points and did a full TSI check. There are several outstanding issues. IAWW (talk) 11:23, 11 August 2025 (UTC)
- No problem, thanks. History6042๐ (Contact me) 14:21, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @History6042 Thank you, apologies for taking some time to get back to this review. Several of my inactive reviews became inactive at once, right as I had to get a Uni assignment due it. I will get to this soon. IAWW (talk) 14:02, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, I also rewrote the lede thing about the purpose. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:22, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, I have added citations for the cuisines and locations. History6042๐ (Contact me) 13:20, 9 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, done, except for the things about cuisine sourcing, which I have asked at the Michelin WikiProject talk page, because I am just making sure. History6042๐ (Contact me) 19:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @History6042 Replies above IAWW (talk) 17:43, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @It is a wonderful world, all done, or responded to. History6042๐ (Contact me) 14:11, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Promoting. --PresN 00:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
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