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File:Sarah Geronimo In Motion1.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PMDrive1061 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:The Other Side of Sarah Geronimo.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PMDrive1061 (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 03:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Dr. Mrinal Chatterjee.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: delete, no objections. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:26, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Alex davies leeds2009.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus, leaning to keep. Now being used in an article and has replaced a non-free image. What's not to like? :-) - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:28, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Samar Minallah (in the middle) Filming in Rahimyar Khan for a documentary on Human Trafficking.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: No consensus, leaning to keep. An objection is that it is not low quality. This is a PD image and is now being used in an article. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:30, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Shawn Ashmore Out on the Town as Photographed by Jason Michael.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 17:57, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:XDA Exec.png

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The result of the discussion was: delete, no objections. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:32, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Suzan Lewis Pro Photo 22.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Fastily (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 09:06, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:200610121411ab.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Unused since June 2008. Angus McLellan (Talk) 18:00, 22 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Peanut.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Angusmclellan (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Honda hsv10.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. There are three people who believe that it should be kept, their main argument is one of replacibility as the car hasn't been released yet. However, there are four who believe it should be deleted, citing issues with WP:NFCC #1, even when it meets WP:NFCC #8. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:44, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Honda hsv10.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Roguegeek (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free image used in Honda HSV-10 GT "to show the Honda HSV-10 GT which has not yet been shown publicly". Since the car will not be seen by the public until it starts to race it is not clear what purpose other than decoration this non-free article serves at this time. When identification becomes a valid rationale, that is when the racing season starts, the image will be replaceable. Doesn't seem to meet WP:NFCC#8 now and won't meet WP:NFCC#1 when it does meet #8. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep - Meets WP:NFCC#8 clearly. The contextual significance is that the direct subject of the article is the direct subject of the photograph. You can't get any more significant than that. When the subject is shown publicly, it will no longer meet WP:NFCC#1 and should then be deleted. roguegeek (talk·cont) 19:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - a free image is either possible to make now or can be made in a very short period of time. Just because we don't have a free image now is no reason to host this. - Peripitus (Talk) 21:04, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per roguegeek. Currently adds valuable information to the article. Will be replaceable, but currently is not. Jheald (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Just because an image improves the article, doesn't mean we can just take it and ignore copyright. Can be replaced in time, per nom. --Apoc2400 (talk) 01:36, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, but it's not replaceable currently which is why it is currently meets criteria. roguegeek (talk·cont) 22:26, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Hoodlum priest.png

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Non-free content rationale claims image is used "as the primary means of visual identification of the article topic" and that "no free photos of the group from when the group was popular are known to exist". The Hoodlum Priest article makes it clear that this wasn't a group but rather the work of one still-living individual. Seems like this should be replaceable by any free picture of Mr Derek Thompson. Angus McLellan (Talk) 13:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Non-free picture of a living person. --Apoc2400 (talk) 01:37, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Supply and demand table.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Hyper CD-ROM.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: delete. There are two editors whose opinion that it should be kept because it is indeed illustrative of the product, however there are three editors whose opinion is that it should be deleted because it is not illustrative and that it can be replaced with free content once the product is released. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 03:48, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Hyper CD-ROM.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Sfaefaol (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free content rationale claims that this image is used to "illustrate what a Hyper CD-ROM looks like". No surprises: it looks like a CD-ROM. Not clear that this meets WP:NFCC #1 or #8. Angus McLellan (Talk) 14:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep. A careful analysis of the image reveals that the Hyper CD-ROM does indeed not look like a CD-ROM, but is roughly half an inch thick. No such storage medium exists to date, at least as far as I know. Therefore, the image provides a context of what this and possibly other future storage media will look like, making it indispensable for an accurate understanding of the article's main subject. #1 and #8 are thus fully met. sfaefaol 15:54, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per Sfaefaol. The comment he makes above about the difference between Hyper CD-ROMs and CD-ROMs should be added to the image description on the image page. Jheald (talk) 20:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete We can wait until they sell them and take a free picture. --Apoc2400 (talk) 01:42, 15 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Image imparts so little information about the devices, due to small size and composition, that it does not significantly increase reader understanding. It is also probably replaceable, so it fails NFCC. ÷seresin 20:41, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Googly-Eyed Glass Squid.PNG

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. Jafeluv (talk) 15:48, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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File:Airspeed Viceroy.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: delete. Issues that those who wish to delete are concerned with are image quality and lack of clear source. Two editors wish to keep, they believe that it satisfies fair use criteria. However, consensus is largely to delete. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 04:31, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Airspeed Viceroy.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Bzuk (notify | contribs).
  • Unreliable source for a non-free image. The image was just donwloaded from some webpage at a free web-hosting site. No copyright information can be verified. No information about the picture can be verified. Picture does not seems essential for the article. Damiens.rf 17:40, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The image is of the Airspeed Viceroy aircraft, not just any old one. Only one was built, photos of it are rare. Without going further into the issues of sourcing and fair use (and whether we can apply them here), if any of our images justify inclusion through fair use, then this would be one of them. Andy Dingley (talk) 17:59, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • This looks like very much like any other Airspeed Envoy to me. The article explains the difference, neither of which is likely to be obvious in this grainy little picture. There's a line drawing of the aircraft available at File:Airspeed Viceroy drawing.jpg which appears in the article. Not so much replaceable as already redundant I would say. Fails points 1 and 8 of the non-free content criteria I think. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:11, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep *:In rebuttal, and following up on AD's point, this is an extremely rare photo of a Viceroy and there are no substitutes. The drawing that was put in the article that sufficed for a time was my hand-drawn illustration because there was nothing else. The case for a historically significant illustration was painstakingly made and the illustration has been in place for quite a long time. Note: Fair use for the Airspeed Viceroy image is claimed.
    Though this image may be subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because:
    1. It is a historically significant photo of a relatively obscure aircraft.
    2. It is of much lower resolution than the original (copies made from it will be of very inferior quality).
    3. The photo is only being used for informational purposes.
    4. Its inclusion in the article adds significantly to the article because of the dearth of photos of this aircraft and because the photo and the historical significance of the aircraft are the object of discussion in the article.
    This image is a faithful digitization of a unique historic image, and the copyright for it is most likely held by the person who created the image or the agency employing the person. It is believed that the use of this image may qualify as fair use under United States copyright law. Other use of this image, on Wikipedia or elsewhere, may be copyright infringement. See Wikipedia:Fair use for more information.
    The non-free content criteria requires that non-free images on Wikipedia must not "[be] used in a manner that is likely to replace the original market role of the original copyrighted media." There are no other photos extant. The historic image is used in a transformative nature, where the image and data accompanying (caption/commentary) assists the reader in understanding the subject. A rationale must be provided for every article any non-free image is used in, which must also declare compliance with the other parts of the non-free content criteria. Source and other copyright information was provided as to all available background. Bzuk (talk) 13:04, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Even disregarding all non-sequitur in the wall of text above (like saying the image does not "replace the original market role" because "there are no other photos extant") and the unlikely definition of "transformative nature" being used, the main point of the nomination have still not been addressed. --Damiens.rf 14:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
As this image is being considered under fair use, then can you please explain what "Unreliable source for a non-free image" and "No copyright information can be verified" mean? These would be a problem if we were relying on some 3rd party's claim of it being freely licensed, except that we're not. Fair use is the claim that some restricted subjective use can take precedence over that prior copyright, no matter what its objective status. Andy Dingley (talk) 16:21, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
We usually can't consistently claim fair use without knowing the copyright holder, because it would be difficult to determine that our use is not replacing the original intended use of the work (i.e., if our use is truly transformative). This is reflected in Wikipedia's policy by requiring valid copyright information for every image used. --Damiens.rf 19:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Yes we can - and routinely do. We make an assessment on the balance of probabilities as to whether there is any evidence the image is likely to have a significant commercial value.
Note that WP:NFC does not require the copyright holder to be identified. This was specifically removed from WP:NFCC #10a last March, after extensive and appropriate discussion. Jheald (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Just a comment about rarity in that other non-free images of the aircraft can be found showing the aircraft as used in the Mildenhall air race, these would probably be better as they clearly show the aircraft (the main distinguishing point is the lack of side windows which cant be seen in this low quality image under discussion). Examples at www.aviastar.org/air/england/airspeed_viceroy.php MilborneOne (talk) 21:47, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sourcing issues aside, (which I did not investigate, as Norton flags the website as unsafe) I am not convinced the image satisfies NFCC8. It's a grainy, small, black and white image, and the image in the infobox provides adequate description in my mind. ÷seresin 02:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:RipenLemonFix.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hardly used and a very similar version exists on commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MeyerLemon.jpg Amada44 (talk) 11:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:UnripeLemon3.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hardly used and a very similar version exists on commons: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:MeyerLemon.jpg —Preceding unsigned comment added by Amada44 (talk • contribs) 11:49, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:RobynRobynUS.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 04:03, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:RobynRobynUS.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Nekoangel16 (notify | contribs).
  • Non-free image that is so similar to the lead image in the same article that the small differences could be described with text. This image is excessive use of non-free content and does not signficantly add to reader's understanding. Fails NFCC#1, 3a, 8 Peripitus (Talk) 21:01, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:IPod Touch 2.0.png and File:Ipod Touch 1st Generation.JPG

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The result of the discussion was: Keep File:Ipod Touch 1st Generation.JPG and keep File:IPod Touch 2.0.png, due to a lack of consensus.. I have been asked to rereview this decision, and I think my original decision to delete the iPod touch 1st gen image is actually wrong. There was some talk about deleting one but not the other, but upon more careful reading I see that this was only a minority opinion. In fact, the discussion was equally split between deleting and keeping both of the images, therefore it is really no consensus. I will undelete the iPod 1st gen image. - Tbsdy (formerly Ta bu shi da yu) talk 04:45, 31 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:IPod Touch 2.0.png (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Gyrferret (notify | contribs).
File:Ipod Touch 1st Generation.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by HereToHelp (notify | contribs).
  • Various claims are made to justify the use of this non-free contentThese seem weak to me. Similar arguments are not made in the case of PDAs or mobile phones. While a free image would either involve powering off the device or photoshopping the image to obscure the copyrighted software elements this doesn't seem to be a major concern. Accordingly I don't believe this image meets WP:NFCC#1. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:07, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I hope you don't mind me merging these noms, since it means less repetition of arguments, and I can't see them having different resolutions. The thing about iPod Touches is that, more than any other electronics device, they rely on (copyrighted) software. It is particularly damaging to remove the software because there is scarcely any external hardware to speak of. It may be a weak argument, but I think that vector renderings do not adequately convey the device. Only the software can do that. HereToHelp (talk to me) 01:57, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I can see that a free image could be created, without treading on Apple or other's copyright, that adequately informs readers - Peripitus (Talk) 12:01, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I do think that one image of the screen with the icons is desirable, but only once and only the main iPod touch page. Delete the first generation image, replace all other uses of either image with a free photograph of a powered-off device. ÷seresin 02:17, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
That is a fair compromise I think - Peripitus (Talk) 09:16, 23 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep (edit: Keep both) at least one and at least for the main iPod Touch page. Seems to be fair use, and I agree with comments above that it's important to have the stock icons visible. PaleAqua (talk)
Updating my opinion to keep both, based on User:Shardsofmeta's comment below. PaleAqua (talk) 20:04, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete and replace with similar images either with the screen powered off, or showing a screenshot of wikipedia not including its logo. look at File:Safari 4 on Mac OS X 10.5.7.png for and example of a good or File:Windows Internet Explorer 7 Vista.png is good as well. here is a bad example File:Nukezone screenshot 2008.png where a screenshot of non-free material is in the shot. But there is plenty of precedent for this I can dig up dozens of articles if needed andyzweb (talk) 21:22, 27 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both, the stock icons are needed in the image as they are literally iconic for the user in recognizing that they have reached the correct wikipedia page and differentiating between different iPhone OS based devices. Also, I believe it fits within fair-use software screenshots. Justin Ormont (talk) 06:44, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep both images. The reason we have the images is to allow the reader to identify which product is which. The external differences between the first and second generation iPod touch is so minor, the majority of the changes involved the interface. Perhaps this isn't the strongest fair use rationale, but I still think it's strong enough to keep both images. Apple is a unique company whose software is just as recognizable as their hardware, and I feel the images and the article should reflect that. However, if you do delete these images, I think it's rather pointless to replace them with others that don't show the interface, it would make more sense to just remove the display of images from the comparison table.  Shardsofmetal  22:01, 29 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:Illustration on WinFax PRO 2.0 Functionality from Launch Press Release.jpg

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Peripitus (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:08, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

File:Illustration on WinFax PRO 2.0 Functionality from Launch Press Release.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Captmondo (notify | contribs).
  • This non-free image shows advertising copy for Delrina WinFax Pro (now that brings back memories). The rationale gives the purpose as "to illustrate a long-obsolete product's functionality", but it seems to me that this could be done with a free image or in text. Image seems to fail WP:NFCC#1. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:35, 12 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
While true, you could equally say that about any illustration. This image was taken from a press release and uses graphics common to the period to illustrate the point. While an illustration could be created to describe the same thing, a substitute would lack the verisimilitude of the original. Considering that it was derived from a press release (if one can quote from the text of a press release, why not an image from one?), and is from a firm (and for that matter, a product) that no longer exists, and takes into account all of the other points of WP:NFCC#1, as the uploader of the image I believe there is good reason for it to stay. Captmondo (talk) 00:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's a b&w illustration, but not a b&w issue -- are there any rules banning the use of graphics used in press releases? If we can quote from press releases, why not illustrations from them as well? I think that that needs a reasoned response first. I have posted a question on the subject of illustrations/images derived from press releases at Wikipedia:Media_copyright_questions#Status_of_an_Illustration_Used_in_a_Press_Release to see whether or not this constitutes an extenuating circumstance or not. Captmondo (talk) 15:44, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Turns out that there is (as yet) no special treatment for images/illustrations taken from a press release. So this image ought to be deleted in accordance with current Wikipedia policies. :-( Captmondo (talk) 13:55, 20 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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File:DUP-Peter-Robinson-WithGun.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) - uploaded by Stevenmc (notify | contribs).
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