Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:TheBuddy92/Willy on Wheels: A Case Study

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. ‑Scottywong | [communicate] || 16:56, 1 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

User:TheBuddy92/Willy on Wheels: A Case Study

Delete per WP:DENY Firestar464 (talk) 04:34, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I only really kept the page because of Dcoetzee's ban from WMF, and wanted to preserve their work without having the banned user stigma attached to the article. Personally, if it runs afoul of the policy, I support the removal of both my version of the page and Dcoetzee's original. I'll remove the mention on the Wikipediholism tests where I found the shortcut to begin with. TheBuddy92 (talk) 04:41, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Wow, I didn't expect this degree of support for the page...I just thought it was some outdated WP injoke, but turns out it's still pretty useful. Still, consensus could turn any time. TheBuddy92 (talk) 07:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I vote to keep now. TheBuddy92 (talk) 00:59, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep user:TheBuddy92 archived a very useful LTA report that originated with user:Dcoetzee, who is now globally banned. So? WP:DENY does not require us to remove material that was created by a user who is later blocked, and the material on Willy on Wheels is still useful since we're still seeing Willy on Wheels edits and occasional Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Willy on Wheels reports. It does not really matter whether it is the original master or a Joe Jobber. For that matter, WP:DENY is just an essay, so there's no policy based reason to delete this. user:TheBuddy92 is free to blank it or have it deleted if he so chooses, but I see no need to do so. The OP is a fairly new editor who has been moving into many areas that seem to be a bit of a stretch for him. Meters (talk) 05:03, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would highly discourage TheBuddy92 from taken the set of actions they described. I found this essay quite a good read. It forms an important part of Wikipedia history regardless of its current author. –MJL ‐Talk‐^☖ 05:06, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Undecided, however, if this is kept, it must be at its original ___location per copyright requirements. DENY is more than essay—it's a very good idea. Johnuniq (talk) 06:05, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Why must it be at its original ___location? TheBuddy92 didn't use the normal language to identify where the attribution history was, but did state "Archiving WoW essay from banned user" in the creation edit summary, and linked to Dcoetzee and that user's original page with "archived from the original Dcoetzee essay" on the page itself. The original linked essay is now redirected to this one, but the edit history is still there and shows the attribution. If that's not sufficient for attribution then that's easily fixed. Meters (talk) 19:08, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I do not see why this should be deleted. This page is like a WP:LTA page on a vandal. Just as we don't delete LTA pages on vandals who have disappeared, we should not delete this page. Java Hurricane 08:09, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Wikipedia:Long-term abuse/Willy on Wheels. It looks like this vandal has a long history so moving relevant information to the proper place is a better idea. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 16:58, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Interestingly a LTA page was deleted in 2006 per WP:DENY: Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Long term abuse/Willy on Wheels 2. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:14, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Willy is so (in)famous that denying his existence simply wouldn't make sense. He's regrettably an important part of Wikipedia's early history. O.N.R. ^(talk) 18:10, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we should be glorifying this person as it just motivates others to act as copycats. We should leave this person in the trash and wouldn't be opposed to adding a LTA for potential future related problems. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:30, 27 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - Chronicles a major event in Wikipedia history. I arrived at this page once, and I would not have understood a reference someone made (or something somewhere) without it (or, at least, it would have taken a lot more effort to find answers). — Godsy^(TALK_CONT) 02:42, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This shows a important point in Wikipedia history. I don't see a reason to delete this, and it doesn't seem to fail WP:DENY. This is my userpage^{[citation needed]}^{and this is my talk page^{[citation needed]}} 13:40, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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