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back and forth names
People seem to be getting confused over them...
It should be:
- Back and Forth
- Back and Forth series Two
- Brap: Back and Forth vol. 3 & 4
- Doomsday: Back and Forth vol. 5
- Back and Forth Six
- Back and Forth Vol 7
The 'series' of Back and Forth series Two's name refers to the fact its the second series of the Back and Forth demo tape. The 'volumes' were later created as the idea of volumes of old unreleased material (5 being the exception).
The Back and Forth albums are seperated because of that, Back and Forth being the original demo tape, 2 being an expanded re-release and then the others being their own albums.
- True enough. Back and Forth Six is actually "Back and Forth 06SIX" or something like that. There are a few other inconsistencies/minor errors in the titles of the SP discography articles on here (eg. "&" versus "and", leading "the" missing, etc.). Feel free to jump in and help correct them. heqs ·:. 10:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
greatest industrial bands ever
Truely one of the greatest industrial bands ever, and one of the most underrated Canadian bands. Paragraph 2 needs some work.
"industrial" quotes
Quick question . . . why is industrial in quotes at the beginning of this article? Is it really necessary? Eldamorie 01:54, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
industrial
Yeah, I agree with the above question. We shouldn't be afraid to use the word industrial. Besides, Skinny Puppy helped define the genre post Throbbing Gristle. Iluvchineselit 18:34, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
-- I strongly disagree. Skinny Puppy is not an industrial band. In America, it appears to be a common mistake to apply the name "industrial" to any kind of dark electronic music, even to bands like VNV Nation which is completely wrong. Right now under "genre" it says Industrial / Alternative. I would rather it said Electronic, Experimental, Alternative. To me, bands like SPK and Throbbing Gristle are industrial bands, but Skinny Puppy is too dance-y and mainstream to fit in that category.
- We need not get into a genre war. It is generally accepted that Skinny Puppy is an industrial band, and is very commonly referred to as such. Also, please sign your comments. --NeoVampTrunks 21:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
In an older interview, Ogre described the music of Skinny Puppy as electro-acoustic. He didn't use the term Industrial. There was no Industrial movement in North America. The movement in USA and Canada started with the post-industrial movement in the early 80s. It was a Industrial-Goth-Punk mixture, the same with FLA and Numb. (this is why Rivetheads are northamerican phenomenon). --Diluvien 20:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
- Regarding the revert war about genre and influences:
- I don't really care if Skinny Puppy is Industrial or not. Do they meet the "pure" definition? No... but it's the most common label used to describe them in the press, and it is a nice catch-all for all the other various sub-genres that writers try to slot them into. In the last few days while doing some research for this article I've seen them called everything from punk to shock rock to "gothic dance music"... and apparently Ogre thought they were electro-acoustic, well that's nice. Wikipedia looks kind of ridiculous when there are 10 genres listed in the infobox, like this was some kind of social tagging site. Anyway, I'm not going to insist on "Industrial" and it's not why I was reverting...
- As for "influences"... it's a similar situation in that you have to draw the line somewhere. That's nice that you provided a link that lists 13 influences, and cherry picked 2 to name in the article. How are we going to decide which to list in the article? It's entirely subjective. I could find 4 or 5 other sites that list another 25 or 30 purported "influences" on Skinny Puppy. I had included the influences named in the AMG bio, but I am going to remove them now because I propose that we keep it simple and take it from the source: in the liner notes to Back & Forth, Nocturnal Emissions, Portion Control and Legendary Pink Dots are thanked as influences. This can be verified at the official discography. IMHO this is a good place to start, and probably end with it... because even compiling a list of every band/person name checked by Ogre or Key as influences in interviews or whatever is going to make for a really great list but not a really good article... heqs 00:21, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
- I agree, as you might guess from my edits. If there is serious dispute whether or not Skinny Puppy is industrial, e.g. because someone has published an article in a reliable source claiming they aren't, then that could of course be mentioned. I haven't found any such dispute outside of a handful of internet message boards, though, and the press, published books, etc., consistently refer to them as "industrial"; the purist definition of "nothing past TG is industrial" appears not to be used by much of anyone. --Delirium 18:49, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
picture
That's not a very great picture of Skinny Puppy..
dwayne side project
Dwayne also had several side projects outside of Skinny Puppy. The more notable among them ADUCK and a side project with Phil "Philth" Western of plateaU.
Bad picture
Wow... that is a REALLY bad picture of skinny puppy... how about we add one circa mid 80's???
slightly reworked
first of all please use headings when commenting, with apologies to the original authors, I added them here to make for an easier read. I reworked the years active part to reflect that Skinny Puppy disbanded in '95, reunited briefly for Dresden, and then later reunited (i used the release date of the underworld (Soundtrack) for the 2003 date). I thought the opening paragraph was a little too small so I added a NIN reference there, please remove it if you can think of something better to add to that paragraph. Naufana 05:02, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Remove tracklistings
Personally I feel the tracklistings should be removed from the Collections information. It's more appropriate to have tracklistings on the pages for the Collections themselves and not in the main article. None of the rest of the releases have them. heavensblade23 00:21, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
- I removed the tracklistings for the back & forth releases (as they have their own pages) but i left in the other collections' tracklistings, as they do not yet have their own articles. Articles should be created for the b-sides collect and the singles collect, whereas notes should be put on the pages for bites and remission, explaining the "Bites & Remission" release, as i feel that it does not warrant its own page.68.255.184.74 03:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
template Skinny Puppy
I popped off a template for Skinny Puppy ({{Skinny Puppy}}) and linked it around.Naufana : talk 06:31, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
new album info?
who took out the info about the new album? i glanced through the page's history, and all i came across concerning that info was that someone stated that they had "moved it from the greater wrong... section, and there was a section for the new album"... really? where? - (the previous unsigned comment was posted by User:65.43.217.207)
- I removed it because it did not seem to be encyclopedic info, it appeared to be a cut and paste of cEvin Key's responce e-mail concerning the Vault 2. An encyclopedic entry concerning the new album would be welcome. As a general rule of thumb, though, one should not directly cut and paste anything into wikipedia. Although any entry on the new album could cite that e-mail (or the litany forum post) as a reference, with "<ref>HTTP address here</ref>." Also that post ended with Key's e-mail address, which is generally not allowed, and an advertisement for the vault 2, which is also generally not allowed. Naufana : talk 17:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
side-projects & guest appearances
Recently I've been playing around with an article devoted to all of the various Skinny Puppy side-projects and guest appearances. Thus far I've only listed the side-projects along with the various members of each group. The page in progress can be found on my sandbox, here. If anyone wants to edit it while it's still in progress, please do. I'd like to create a brief description of each band's style and discog (assuming they do not already have a wiki article). If anyone can help me with a list of guest appearances please either edit the sanbox or let me know on my talk page. Thanks. Naufana : talk 22:22, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
- Good start. I went ahead and made List of Skinny Puppy side projects. heqs 20:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
"Tapeworm" mistag?
I just recently heard "Worlock" for the 1st time, and I'm a bit surprised. My reason is, earlier, I'd had listened to the same song, under the name of Trent Reznor's "tapeworm" project, called "Warlock (ft. Marilyn Manson)" Aside from feeling like an idiot, I'm a bit confused. Is that remix actually tapeworm, or someone else? I assume so because the background vocals DO sound like Maynard James Keenan, who's supposed to be a collaborator... But seeing how wrong I was the 1st time, I have to make sure.
-- you'd listened to the song illegally downloaded as an mp3, the remix is on the album remix dys temper by skinny puppy and has nothing to do with nine inch nails or trent reznor or marilyn manson or tapeworm or maynard james keenan.
- The version on remix dystemper is remixed by Rhys Fulber, and does not contain any contributions from Tapeworm, MM or MJK. The connections between them are not that far off though, just look at the many production/remix credits of Skinny Puppy's Dave "Rave" Ogilvie, or Manson's bassist Tim Skold, who was a member of ohGr's live band on their 2001 tour. Danny Carey also guested on Skinny Puppy's The Greater Wrong of the Right; him and cEvin Key are said to be good friends. Tool were also known to play Skinny Puppy CDs over the PA before taking to the stage at some of their live shows. Ogre also toured and performed with Reznor in Pigface; they sang together on stage. Oh, and NIN opened for Puppy in 1988. heqs 18:53, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
Bill Leeb never mentioned in liner notes?
Heqs, I noticed you recently made a change to the article that mentions Bill Leeb was "never listed as a member in album liner notes". I could be wrong, but I'm almost certain I remember seeing Wilhelm Schroeder credited in the liner notes for Bites. Unfortunately the CD case is currently hundreds of miles away at my parents' house, so I can't check the precise wording at the moment. Might be something to look into.
– 67.43.92.191 15:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
- Wilhelm Schroder -- aka Bill Leeb -- is most certainly in the liner notes for Bites. He gets credited as a guest artist for playing bass synth on Ice Breaker and The Choke. DivisionByZer0 03:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
Leeb is listed under "guest artists" in the Bites liner notes (I am looking at them right now). He is credited for parts on one track ("The Choke") on the original LP and only a handful of other tracks. To the best of my knowledge he was never listed as a member in any release. He is often referred to as having been a member, largely because he did tour with the band in 1985, and appeared as the third member in certain promotional materials from that era. This is why I classify him as a guest musician (one of a few that have appeared on multiple releases) and a live member. heqs ·:. 10:02, 30 June 2007 (UTC)