Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Allen Knight

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. I also REVDELed all but the latest, highly-redacted revisions of the page, effectively erasing the work of the banned UPE. Owen× ☎ 19:41, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Allen Knight

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Virtually all sources are local, with some sections being plain unsourced. A google search didn't find anything about him specifically, with some showing more notable people with his name. Additionally, the article was created by Greghenderson2006, who was banned partially for using hyperlocal sources to make articles which weren't notable. As a result, I think this should be deleted. Tavantius (talk) 17:41, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Businesspeople, Politicians, and California. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 17:46, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect >>> List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California. Djflem (talk) 17:57, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Nothing about this article persuades me that Knight passes WP:BIO. Another hyperlocal history by the creating editor with poor sourcing. Carmel City Council does not pass WP:NPOLITICIAN 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 18:50, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. That his wife donated his boat models to a museum does not confer notability on the subject per NARTIST. As Timtrent points out, fails NPOLITICIAN as well. The sourcing consists of hyper-local coverage, or to books from questionable/unreliable publishers; many discussions have taken place on article talk pages and discussion boards about Arcadia Pub "Images of America" series which consists of pictures and photo captions; they are not serious historical studies, they are published for the tourist trade. The Valley Press (Santa Cruz) seems to be self-published by a local Carmel booster, another unreliable reference per discussions. This article is one of a garden variety of articles on a non-notable local Carmel subject from the "Carmelopedia". Netherzone (talk) 20:03, 12 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - just one of those non-notable "biographies" with limited hyper-local coverage. Haruka Amaranth 13:54, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect can be created as a matter of editorial discretion if someone feels it's helpful to the reader. The content is almost certainly UPE and should not be retained. Star Mississippi 14:13, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California as a valid ATD. --Enos733 (talk) 16:56, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I too was considering a redirect prior to my delete !vote to List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California, (which by the way was also created by the same "Carmelopedia" editor) however I'm wondering if the target is in fact a notable list (per WP:NLIST and WP:SALAT. The list article is almost entirely sourced to the weekly tabloid "The Carmel Pine Cone" (also created by the same "Carmelopedia" editor) and it should be taken into mind that tabloid journalism is not considered significant coverage per WP:SBST. The the rest of the sourcing is mainly to the same questionable sources from Arcadia Pub or Valley Press (Santa Cruz) used again and again in these Carmel articles, which I believe are mostly PROMO. I am unable to find enough sourcing for the List of mayors article from sources that are not hyper-local to justify it as a notable list. Additionally, only six of the mayors on the list are independently notable. Do we really need to add another non-notable mayor to a non-notable list? Netherzone (talk) 17:42, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:GNG and WP:NBIO fail. While redirect as WP:ATD is considered, 'Allen Knight' is a relatively common name. When re-directs are created for marginally notable common title/names, it introduces information pollution and degrades the signal to noise ratio of this encyclopedia and contributing to reduced usability. The article's creator has exhibited WP:LOUTSOCK behaviors, documented at User Talk:Greghenderson2006/Archive_21#Block_evasion and simple re-direct exposes the article to covert reversion hazard. Deleting it on the other makes it more resistant with minimal adverse effect since a new redirect can be created quickly. Graywalls (talk) 22:24, 13 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I doubt the notability of the suggested redirect target. I have asked the community to decide at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 11:59, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone, Enos733, Star Mississippi, Djflem, and Graywalls: Pinging those editors who have so far suggested, or documented that they have considered, a redirect in order to request their participation in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of mayors of Carmel-by-the-Sea, California since this may affect their !vote here. I apologise if I have missed any one. I am not seeking to influence their opinions in any way, there or here. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 12:40, 18 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]
(Are you) suggesting to the closer to wait/relist this AFD until such time that AFD has been resolved, which would be appropriate to resolve the redirect issue? Djflem (talk) 16:46, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, unnotable subject who is only of local importance. -Samoht27 (talk) 01:42, 19 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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