Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Batih

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The result was delete‎. RL0919 (talk) 18:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Batih

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This article is currently supported by three offline sources, none of which I can access. Searching both in English and Ukrainian, I cannot find a single source referencing such an instrument. The Ukrainian article uk:батіг is about a (type of?) whip and doesn't mention a musical instrument at all. ukwiki mentions this instrument once, at uk:Українські народні інструменти ("Ukrainian folk instruments"), but without a citation, and the given Hornbostel–Sachs number 321.32-5 [1] doesn't exist, while 321.32, the parent category, corresponds to "Necked lutes: The handle is attached to or carved from the resonator, like a neck". This is supposedly a percussion instrument and should probably be under 111.211 (individual percussion sticks) if it existed at all, so that list entry doesn't inspire confidence. I'm at this point not entirely convinced this isn't a hoax.

The original author of the article and only substantial contributor has been blocked for violation of a topic ban which appears to have been imposed for "systematic POV-driven source falsification combined with plagiarism", so I cannot ask them to review their sources. Rusalkii (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Music and Ukraine. Rusalkii (talk) 18:23, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

delete sounds very deleteworthy Oreocooke (talk) 20:09, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – The article on the batih as a musical instrument fails WP:GNG and may be a WP:HOAX. The original author’s block for systematic source falsification and plagiarism creates doubt about their reliability. ~~~~

Editor1769 21:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The instrument indeed exists and I can forward scans of the related published sources in both Ukrainian and English. The article exists in the Ukrainian Wikipedia, but not in th e Russian Wikipedia ( as a different term is used in Russian.

Wikipedia

https://uk.wikipedia.org › wiki › Батіг_(значення)

Батіг (значення) ред. · Батіг — прикріплений до держака мотузок або ремінець, яким поганяють тварин · Батіг — стебло виткої або сланкої рослини, огудина .

=== БАТІГ - тлумачення, орфографія, новий правопис онлайн ===

СЛОВНИК - тлумачний словник української мови, орфографічний словник онлайн

https://slovnyk.ua › swrd=батіг

БАТІГ, тога, ч. 1. Прикріплений до держака мотузок або ремінець, яким поганяють тварин; канчук, пуга. Батога з піску не сплетеш (Укр.. присл.., 1955, 287): …

=== батіг ===

Wiktionary

https://uk.wiktionary.org › wiki › батіг

Значення · прикріплений до держака мотузок або ремінець, яким поганяють тварин; канчук, пуга. ◇ Батога з піску не сплетеш Українське прислів'я · стебло виткої ... 69.157.8.255 (talk) 22:09, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing in the text above talks about batih as a musical instrument though. All these examples call it a whip used in animal husbandry. Le Loy (talk) 22:27, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete.
1. Looking for "Ukrainian musical instruments" + "batih" ("українські народні музичні інструменти" "батіг") yields no results unlike with any other instruments. I tried looking for any of the books listed as sources, and while I can't find their text, Humeniuk's TOC is available and batih is not there.
2. I've also looked at scholar.google.com and there's literally nothing relevant in Ukrainian on musical instruments "batih" (музичні інструменти "батіг"). Le Loy (talk) 22:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Could be a hoax, as the nominator suggested. The sources cannot be verified and no others sources found in my search.Darkm777 (talk) 01:50, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. I'm not saying it's a case of a provocateur, but it wouldn't shock me that there's gambling going in here in St. Petersburg. Bearian (talk) 11:01, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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