Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/F.C. Calcio Acri

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The result was keep. SarekOfVulcan (talk) 16:34, 7 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

F.C. Calcio Acri

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Contested PROD. Reason for PROD was "Non-notable amateur club per WP:GNG and WP:FOOTYN". The article creator contested the PROD with the reason "It is a noted amateur club that plays in Italian Serie D Category. There is no reason to delete this page."

I couldn't find anything about the team that would justify notability per WP:GNG, and fails WP:FOOTYN, because they never played for a national cup.

For the exact same reason, i nominated this article as well:

A.S.D. Serre Alburni.

--Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 14:47, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 14:53, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:FOOTYN is an essay and should be ignored (it always is when people try and use it to keep articles). English clubs are deemed to be notable down to the tenth level, so I can't see why fifth level clubs in Italy aren't. Number 5 7 22:04, 31 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. And anyway, England has the FA Vase to thank. (probably–although i don't know the history of how English level-10 clubs have been considered notable) And perhaps i ought to repeat the argument i made on this older deletion nomination about another similar Serie D team; how can my neighbourhood's team, which plays in the Delta Ethniki, not be considered notable? Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 04:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

To repeat the point that I made in that AfD discussion, if your local team plays in Delta Ethniki then it should be considered notable. Phil Bridger (talk) 10:27, 4 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As there are about 180 teams in Serie D (see the current season article), I am at a loss to see why S.S. Todi Calcio and F.C. Calcio Acri seem to be the only ones nominated for deletion. Surely, if one goes on grounds of notability, they all fail (other than those that have played at a higher level). Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 06:13, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

There are actually two AfD nominations going on on this thread, and three on this. Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 07:08, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both - Although many clubs from Serie D do not meet WP:FOOTYN criteria, on a common sense basis I contend that teams playing at the fifth tier of Italian football are notable. There are almost 50 leagues in England in which all clubs are considered notable; exclude serie D and that would leave just six in Italy. At this discussion and this discussion, it was recently agreed that WP:FOOTYN was not fit for purpose, because it favours teams from countries with large national cups (e.g. France has over 6000 teams in theirs; Italy has 78). This is not an argument that WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, because it concerns a single guideline. Deserter1 talk 13:16, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Deserter1, who has summed it up perfectly. Giant Snowman 13:44, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. — frankie (talk) 16:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. — frankie (talk) 16:39, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. These clubs play one level below the professional ranks, in one of the strongest nations in club football. A quick look at the Acri website indicates ongoing press from multiple publications, both local and regional e.g. Gazzetta del Sud. Oldelpaso (talk) 19:24, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I fail to see 1) those said articles and 2) how local ~~and regional~~ publications are considered notable. Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 11:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both per Deserter1, who has the same opinion as me. User :Kefalonitis94 (talk) 23:53, 1 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Keep both two teams from a level often deemed as 'semi-professional' due to its nature of national league regularly featuring big names (this season includes fallen giants such as Messina, Venezia, Pistoiese, Ravenna, Arezzo, Rimini, Salerno, Casertana, Acireale and Cosenza) that allows promotion to a fully professional league plus nine additional Coppa Italia spots. The league as a whole receives regular nationwide coverage, including live TV on national channels from public broadcaster RAI, and massive coverage from local and regional media as well; this applies to all Serie D teams, without any distinction. --Angelo (talk) 09:21, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

We are actually talking about clubs, and all 160+ clubs of the Serie D don't receive equal ~~national~~ media coverage now, do they? Kosm1fent ^{Won't you talk to me?} 11:34, 2 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep both for the same reasons Deserter1 explained above. 23:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

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