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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 04:31, 27 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Kovonalov machine gun

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DePRODded. Fails WP:GNG - could not find WP:RS. Someone might need to check for Russian sources, but to me just seems like an experimental prototype that never went into production. Ansh666 23:02, 14 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 19:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete It appears this is based on a Russian patent (a WP:PRIMARY source), and there was perhaps one prototype. That's an educated guess because the other bunch of problematic articles are also based on patents only, but US ones. Fails WP:GNG. I should note that likely the same person has registered another account more recently and has created a bunch of other problematic articles in the same area. I have WP:PROD-ed some of those, but they have been mass-contested; see WT:MILHIST for a list. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 20:23, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I've done as much looking as I can, and can't find mention of this, so deletion seems right under GNG; this may also rise to the level of hoax if other indicia are found. As a note, I'm the one who mass-contested the Prodding of these articles, merely because they should be handled in AfD (in my opinion) if it's based on lack of third-party sources alone. This gives an opportunity for other editors to at least attempt a rescue, if possible. Cdtew (talk) 21:33, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • It's not a hoax - there was a Soviet military designation for this weapon, but the article was deleted and someone moved some of the info here (I can't find it anymore, though). Also, just a note, this was a different batch but dePRODded for much the same reason. Ansh666 21:46, 24 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • The designer, А.И.Коновалов, appears very obscure; neither he nor his gun have page in the Russian Wikipedia. This appears to be the gun in question. The English Wikipedia article is basically a machine translation of that page, which is basically a patent summary (more like a very primitive version thereof, see ru:Авторское свидетельство). So the wiki article is WP:COPYVIO basically, beside being entirely a WP:PRIMARY source and rather uninformative. The full, two-page text of the Soviet inventor's certificate (patent) for this "gun" can be found here. And the full patent is really more about a design principle than some specific mechanism, which makes it doubtful the prototype was even operable. For example, the exact type of ammunition (7.62x39mm M43), or even its caliber in general are not found in the full version of the patent, but were somehow added to Wikipedia. (That's probably more "clever deductions" from the same troublesome WP:SPA gun factory editor(s), who have created a bunch of other problematic articles.) Anyway, I don't know why this would be more notable than any random patent from the perennial Socialist workers' contest... There is no evidence there was a "Soviet military designation" for this proposal/prototype. There isn't any evidence that it was even considered by the army in some role, or that it was part of some [con]test for a new service weapon. Googling around, there's nothing more that can be found besides some copies of those images (and of the short, blurb text) on some Russian gun forums, which is probably the route through which it ended up on Wikipedia. 86.121.18.17 (talk) 08:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Does not meet Wiki notability requirements. The main source of information on the internet for this firearm seems to be Wikipedia itself or a Wiki mirror.--RAF910 (talk) 15:00, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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