Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Line of succession to the former Tuscan throne

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The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 05:15, 22 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Line of succession to the former Tuscan throne

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Not encyclopedic. PatGallacher (talk) 02:50, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest that this is not an encyclopedic article for several reasons. The line of succession to the monarchy of a mini-state which was incorporated into Italy over 150 years ago is a very obscure topic. I also question whether there can be said to be a definitive line of succession, as opposed to some people's opinion of what it is. The source given seems rather obscure and we don't know how good it is, and crucially it was written 10 years ago, it could have been overtaken by births or deaths, this was a crucial reason why the Line of succession to the British throne article was drastically pruned. This article may have BLP issues, some of the people here may not wish to be regarded as having any claim to the Tuscan throne, since it could create legal problems with the Italian government. PatGallacher (talk) 03:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Archduke Sigismund, Grand Duke of Tuscany. Maybe? He, apparently, currently holds the title and any theoretical or actual line of succession would thus be a matter of who comes after him. The whole article seems to rely on a whole bunch of WP:OR or speculation. Let's not forget that anyone (current or subsequent) is considered a "pretender" as the title doesn't actually exist any more. So this would seem to be a theoretical line of succession of people who might have (an already legally invalid) claim to use a title after the current person (not entitled to use the title) has died or otherwise passed on his position as heir to a duchy that doesn't exist. My brain hurts. Beside the fact that the list in the article isn't actually explained in any way, I would suggest that any list (given it is a list of LPs) would need to be very, very, very well sourced to ensure no BLP violations, as the nominator has intimated. Stalwart111 03:40, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Italy-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 05:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. -- Cheers, Riley Huntley 05:29, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there is no such thing as the Tuscan throne nowadays (legally-speaking), and this list does indeed smack of both WP:OR and walks the line of WP:BLP. It could also fail WP:CRYSTAL as it's far from certain who from this list would ever be the next Grand Duke of Tuscany. I also agree that it is a very, very obscure topic. Lukeno94 (talk) 10:08, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Apart from any other consideration, I doubt that the line of succession to the former Tuscan throne is a notable topic, per GNG or per any other suitable guideline. Cavarrone (talk) 12:02, 15 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per Lukeno and the most common outcome. Bearian (talk) 23:22, 19 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.