Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Railway Transport of Ukraine

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Ukrainian Railways#Science and education without prejudice against selective merging. (non-admin closure) Left guide (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Railway Transport of Ukraine

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Article PRODded with reason "Non-notable journal. Not indexed in any selective databases, no independent sources. Does not meet WP:NJournals or WP:GNG." Article dePRODded by artucle creator with reason "Wikipedia talk:Notability (academic journals)#RfC on notability criteria. It's just an essay, not a guideline. Therefore, invoking this essay fails as a rationale for a proposed deletion. NJournals may be an essay only, but GNG most definitively is not. PROD reason still stands, hence: Delete. Randykitty (talk) 08:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academic journals, Transportation, and Ukraine. Randykitty (talk) 08:09, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Apologies to Randykitty; I concur that WP:GNG is a relevant rationale. I think I may have been hasty in translating this article from uk:Залізничний транспорт України (журнал) to English before checking whether it would meet the GNG on English Wikipedia. Although it is frequently mentioned in independent, secondary, reliable sources, and used as a reliable source in other journals, meeting the WP:SIGCOV requirement is going to be more difficult than I expected, at least from English-language sources. It may be possible to do so with Ukrainian-language sources, but the digital, autotranslatable sources in Ukrainian that I can find about this journal might not be enough. It probably would require an editor who is better at reading Ukrainian texts in printed works or PDF files without machine translations than I can. Anyone reading this who could, or knows someone who could, is welcome to try! But if not, might it be a better idea to Merge the relevant contents to Ukrainian Railways#Science and education section for now? It seems the best place to keep it until (if ever) this journal merits a stand-alone article. Good day, NLeeuw (talk) 09:59, 28 June 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:11, 6 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Soft keep. If no other arguments are coming in, I'm going to take a stance as the author/translator of this article. Namely, that there isn't a strong reason to delete this article based on WP:GNG alone, although that is a legitimate concern. I'm pretty sure that there are enough reliable sources, but that they are mostly in Ukrainian (soms older ones might be in Russian, some newer ones in English). As stated above, I could also accept a merger with Ukrainian Railways for now, but I think it's enough for a stand-alone article, just like on Ukrainian Wikipedia. That said, I should be more careful next time when considering to translate an article about a journal. NLeeuw (talk) 22:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The issue is not to delete or not, but to keep or not, there's a difference. If there is no good "keep" argument, then this should not be kept or, as best, write 1 or 2 sentences in the Ukrainian Railways article. --Randykitty (talk) 22:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not really. If there is no consensus, that results in a procedural keep. It seems we are heading there if it just you and me disagreeing. NLeeuw (talk) 10:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. And if anyone could explain what a "soft keep" is, I'd appreciate it. I think you meant "weak keep".
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:01, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, clear failure of WP:NJOURNALS. That it's "not a guideline" is rather irrelevant as the reason it's not is that some people think it's too permissive. So if you fail NJOURNALS, you *really* aren't notable. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 20:54, 13 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Ukrainian Railways#Science and education: I don't think it's notable enough to justify an article, based on the sources I found. Nobody (talk) 17:30, 15 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, Nederlandse Leeuw, regarding "It may be possible to do so with Ukrainian-language sources", did you find other language sources to meet WP:GNG or WP:NJOURNALS? If not, redirect is probably the best option since Ukrainian Railways#Science and education mentions the journal already, Rjjⁱⁱⁱ (talk) 00:47, 20 July 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.