Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sebastian Estner

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 06:23, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Estner

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No significant coverage of any kind. None of the cited sources cover the subject in depth (particularly given that two are entry lists). Subject fails to meet any WP:NMOTORSPORT criteria. 5225_C (talk • contributions) 11:15, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - I'm not too sure. I'm able to find some coverage of him (not sure if its enough) but also, I definitely remember seeing somewhere that previously having raced in the European Formula 3 Championship was sufficient to satisfy NMOTORSPORT, and while this may be a controversial view, I think that from 2019, Euroformula Open has become the defacto top tier "actual" F3 series in Europe. Certainly Sebastian Estner isn't the only driver with an article whose top level of racing so far is Euroformula Open. A7V2 (talk) 10:17, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You raise a good point there, but I'm not too sure about European F3 meeting NMOTORSPORT (maybe point 3?). If you could find that discussion I would be very appreciative; looking at Google results I'm not convinced he has significant coverage.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 12:01, 1 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As I have said a few times (eg), NMOTORSPORT isn't really that helpful (in particular point 1 given that often even the most professional of motor sports have negligible prizemoney, and Trans Am, at least in current form, is not very well covered by reliable sources to the point where the drivers would all be notable). As to your question,I'm sure there was something else, but at least this recent discussion, although not really about this, no-one questioned the notability of Arthur Leclerc given that he has competed in Formula Regional which is of course arguably the successor to the European F3 series. But then as you say, there isn't much coverage of him (Sebastian Estner), and articles such as [1] I'm not sure if that's enough for significant coverage. So I suppose I will remain Neutral, or lean weak delete. A7V2 (talk) 00:59, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

To clarify, when I referred to NMOTORSPORTS here and on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicola Marinangeli I mean more the spirit, rather than the letter, of the guidelines. A7V2 (talk) 01:05, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your issues with NMOTORSPORT, the guideline does seem pretty poorly designed. With the case of Arthur Leclerc, he has received a fair bit more attention and therefore coverage than Sebastian Estner. I understand your point but I don't think competing in F3 makes a driver notable, that should be combined with meaningful coverage.
5225_C (talk • contributions) 01:44, 2 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - there's no coverage of him because he's only one a single race out of many he's done. Bearian (talk) 23:25, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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