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See [1]. Fails GNG, and some of the contents might even be a hoax. [2] is the best source I can find, and it fails SIGCOV. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 02:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for now, with some reservations about the article itself.
It's not a hoax, unless it's a well executed long con involving a book published in 2016[3] and a website archived back to 2007[4]. The book is barely significant coverage (it's got a paragraph and a picture), and the newspaper article[5] is about a qianball tournament. Is that enough? There are multiple google scholar results about racket sports that include the term as well. This one[6] has a preview that includes the (possibly spurious) Chinese origin but I can't see the contents.
I doubt it's actually something played in China. But as the fortune cookie told me "You will find not everything claimed to originate in China is actually Chinese". Oblivy (talk) 03:15, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
qianball.eu isn't independent, since they're the people who likely created the game. The news report and the book entry (which claims to have got the info from YouTube) fails SIGCOV. I feel most of the Google Scholar results (7) are because of the Wikipedia article. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say qianball.eu is an independent source. You claimed it was a hoax, and I was responding to that by showing a long history of the website's existence. You can feel whatever you want, but suggesting academics are just mentioning random sports they found on wikipedia seems unwarranted. Oblivy (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, not all journals are created equal. Qianball is obviously not a hoax, but the fact that it originated from China, and is played by a million people there probably is. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is likely accurate that game originated in China because the Danmarks Nationalleksikon confirms that is the case. However, it does not make a claim about how many people play it there or how well established it is in China. Only that it came from there.4meter4 (talk) 18:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I found an encyclopedia entry in Danmarks Nationalleksikon: https://lex.dk/qianball . If Denmark's national encyclopedia has an entry on this sport we should too.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not a hoax, has recognition in Denmark as seen above. jolielover♥talk 03:59, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per 4meter4. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

List of 2026 Indian Premier League personnel changes

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WP:TOOSOON, even the 2026 season doesn't have an article yet as its clearly TOOSOON for it. Vestrian24Bio 16:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per WP:CRYSTALBALL. 00:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Keep : The article will cover mainly about auction and support staff changes. Support staff changes are already taking place and auction will most probably be held in December 2025 (only 4 months later). Besides different trade talks are being heavily discussed in reliable media. :— Preceding unsigned comment added by XYZ 250706 (talk • contribs)
Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Capitals00 (talk) 06:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : @Capitals00@Svartner Is the event just after 4 months included in WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL? XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As Vestrian24Bio said, the 2026 Indian Premier League hasn't even been created yet, so it makes no sense then to have an article about the crew changes. Svartner (talk) 07:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IPL 2026 is in 2026 March to May. IPL 2026 auction and staff changes are from July 2025 to January 2026. XYZ 250706 (talk) 03:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : Another personnel change has taken place today. So already 5 support staff changes of 4 franchises (KKR, LSG, SRH, RR) and 1 player retirement / release of another 1 franchise (CSK) have already taken place. There was also news of another 2 support staff changes of LSG. XYZ 250706 (talk) 03:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ColosseoEAS

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Having removed a lot of original research, it's clear the subject of this article fails WP:NCORP. C 679 08:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2011 Atlantic Coast Conference men's soccer season

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Non notable season article, nowhere near meeting WP:GNG. Also 14 years out of date, which further demonstrates that this is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2011 ACC men's soccer tournament – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 04:32, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 09:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borislav Simić

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Non-notable article of a football player. Only source I could find was Soccerway. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 21:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – @Rafaelthegreat: Did you copy-paste his Serbian name (Борислав Симић) on Google search? It applies to people from countries where its language does not use Latin Alphabet. Anyway, I couldn't find anything about this footballer either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Clariniie I just did it right now. Not really anything though... ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 14:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added a reference(also corrected misinformation - he is a central midfielder, not a defender).Nononsense101 (talk) 15:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Nononsense101, one source is not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Rafaelthegreat: Why not?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  @Nononsense101 there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Also, that looks like some random unknown source. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Rafaelthegreat (talk · contribs) What do you mean by "random unknown source"?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nononsense101 like I said, there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Those two sources are not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, see WP:TRANSFERMARKT, as it is user generated. Giant Snowman 18:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @GiantSnowman thank you for agreeing with me. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: me and @Clariniie searched in two different languages, but we could not find anything. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Covers.com

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Notability is not inherited. While the parent company has some coverage, the website does not meet WP:NORG or WP:WEB. The references provided are either brief mentions, coverage of the parent company, or press releases. - The9Man ^Talk 07:50, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect altho not sure where to. Is Gracenote the parent company? Otherwise, weak delete. I think it might be notable, but not fully convinced. Metallurgist (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep meets WP:NWEB and WP:GNG. To clarify, SportsDirect and Covers.com operated as separate websites but share a common history (founders [7]). Both were later acquired by Gracenote, which merged them, with Covers.com becoming the successor. There is some in-depth coverage about Covers.com and some about SportsDirect (coverage: [8], [9], [10], [11]), so per WP:NOPAGE it makes sense to write a combined article that covers both. I hope this clears up the confusion. Kniepert (talk) 21:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2018 Atlantic Championship

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Searches did not turn up any in-depth coverage from independent, reliable references. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yak skiing

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I can't find any evidence of this beyond the single Time article and other articles based on it. I could not find photos or videos anywhere, which is odd for an activity targeting tourists (though the Hindi Wikipedia has a link to a defunct Youtube page).

Either way, this appears to be more of tourist novelty then a sport, and I'm not sure its sufficiently notable. Samuell ^{Lift me up} or _{put me down} 23:08, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Yak#customs. We can cover it there.4meter4 (talk) 20:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Yak#customs is sensible, checked out the article space and I think it should help build more context in that section. Which I will add a few possible citation candidates here but are just likely brief description of the sport from newspaper clips to consider. Lorraine Crane (talk) 20:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sparky Flames

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Fails WP:GNG. No WP:INDEPENDENT coverage, best I could find is a passing mention by USA Today. jolielover♥talk 05:25, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Liberty Flames and Lady Flames. Jclemens (talk) 06:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment. Some coverage exists, see here, here, and here. Apparently, this mascot has had several different names over the years, while maintaining the same basic eagle persona throughout. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:49, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep per Ejgreen77. NotJamestack (talk) 12:17, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep per sources provided above which show SIGCOV. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 12:58, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge I am not convinced by the coverage in sources, which appears WP:TRIVIAL, and does not demonstrate standalone notability. I believe that a section in Liberty Flames and Lady Flames can easily encompass the mascot. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 21:53, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I personally don't entirely see why the coverage is trivial. I feel like it's just enough SIGCOV for a standalone article. Emphasis on the words "just enough", hence my weak keep vote, but that's just how I feel. NotJamestack (talk) 01:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge Fails WP:GNG. Even with the sources found, it would be WP:OR to create an article about several different mascots under several different names. They would be more appropriate to be grouped at the main article about the team, but all the mascots individually fail WP:SIGCOV. Shooterwalker (talk) 16:01, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify The article could use some cleanup and then be re-introduced back into the mainspace. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 03:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Beit Jala Lions

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Fails WP:GNG with only two sources that appear primary and one other source that is also primary as the official club website. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 17:14, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asian Hall of Fame

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Cannot find any decent in-depth coverage. Anyone can start a vanity award. There is no money or any real kudois attached to this award. And this article has quickly led to lots of other articles being spammed with links to this so-called award. Edwardx (talk) 19:44, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I do not think it is fair to call this a "vanity award" or "so-called award" without proof. Most of the recipients are notable, as can be seen from the column of mostly blue links to the names of recipients. I added some references. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:34, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, Eastmain. That some of the recipients are notable counts for nothing, as no one has to give their permission to be given an award from anyone else. YouTube is not a suitable ref, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources. Edwardx (talk) 22:54, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. I didn't seen in-depth secondary coverage either that would satisfy WP:GNG, and nothing really independent beyond things like press releases or articles focusing on the awardees. The mention of awardees having their own BLP pages isn't relevant here and would run against WP:INHERIT. We don't chain notability of one page to the notability of another. This is a notability discussion for the WP:NORG, not those other pages. Coverage of the group itself appears to be pretty trivial rather than substantial too. KoA (talk) 17:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There is some coverage in digitised newspapers, and in news stories found through a google search (including in news media in Asian countries). References could certainly be added for the inductees. Some of the sources also have more information about the Hall of Fame and the Robert Chinn Foundation, which could also be added to the article. According to the sources, it is a non-profit charity, and does provide support to various beneficiaries. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:30, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you, RebeccaGreen. You say that there are sources, but have not added any here or to the article itself. WP:ORG sets a higher bar for this sort of article than for most other article types. Edwardx (talk) 21:55, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Appears to meet WP:NONPROFIT. I added some materials and agree with RebeccaGreen. There are usable materials behind pay walls, but here is one example of WP:SIGCOV that anyone can view. Best.4meter4 (talk) 17:15, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I've added 60 references to the article. A WP:BEFORE was obviously not done.4meter4 (talk) 02:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Thank you 4meter4, I had been following this hoping for a RESCUE because this is certainly a notable organization and honor, is far from the appalling comparison to a vanity award and is very appropriate to mention in other articles. And hopefully the nom knows well now that nobody cares if this has a monetary reward. Nathannah • 📮 00:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Konstas

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Only one with a stand alone article. Redirect to Sam Konstas per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:12, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The AFD process is not a great place for primary topic discussions, WP:RM should be used instead, because a name index can still remain even if one topic is chosen as primary (maybe there are other entries that just aren't documented there yet).

The other Konstas entry seems to match the guideline on items without standalone articles. It links to a player at an Olympic event, so there is some obvious potential.

The proposed primary topic is a twenty year-old player who seems to have participated at the under-19 level. Why would the average English reader strongly associate this name with this person?

A Google Books search for the term shows me nothing in particular, a lot of ambiguity.

It seems more likely that the average reader wouldn't recognize this term at all. Short-circuiting to one person instead of presenting this short list doesn't seem to be particularly beneficial. (Keep) --Joy (talk) 05:27, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your rationale is The proposed primary topic is a twenty year-old player who seems to have participated at the under-19 level.. Quick fact check; Sam Konstas has played Test Cricket at the Senior Level. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:04, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I skimmed the article and apparently missed that. Maybe this information would be obvious to someone who is more in-universe in this regard, but this is a general encyclopedia, not a secondary source on cricket, or any other sport, or any other field of endeavor. --Joy (talk) 14:19, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joy I get what you are saying, but I don't think citing google books is a good example as many authors of books won't be notable. I also understand that this is a general encyclopaedia. I still stand by my argument that Sam is the primary topic. He's not Messi, Ronaldo or Michael Jordan type notable. Not even as notable as someone like Sam Kerr. But Sam Konstas before his Test debut got was considered an exciting prospect and arguably got the most attention of anyone on the Boxing Day Test. The other is a water polo player who played at the 1972 Olympics. Basically I would argue he was just considered a part of an Olympic squad. Don't think he was notable for anything besides being there. Sam on the other hand got a lot of attention for playing Un Orthodox shots. It's a good rationale but I am still convinced Sam is the primary topic. Also with regards to books, books on stuff like war are going to have the names of many non notable people in a war. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should be looking for indicators of significance, such as for example some relevant biographer's secondary source about this person. It's hard to expect for this to exist at such a young age, and likewise it's hard to expect that the average reader associates this surname with this person.

How do we normally measure attention in this topic area, and how does that compare to worldwide general measurements of the same? I don't know.

Google Trends for the search terms show two spikes of interest, both of which are past now, and interest is miniscule now.

That website also showed me the topic of Giorgos Konstas, which we don't have documented here, but it's plausible that we could.[12]

I see evidence that in recent times people have looked up the the surname probably in reference to this one person, but no real evidence that this is an actual primary topic according to the guideline. --Joy (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and withdrawn: agree per Joy. I think you should nominate this on WP:RM. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:14, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just to let @Joy and @Royiswariii know that you might want to consider changing your vote as an RM would not work, because if a disambiguation page was created, it would be a case of WP:ONEOTHER in which it redirects to one, and only one other person has the surname. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the entire rationale that I posted. The procedural issue isn't really the most relevant part, even if it's listed first. --Joy (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Due to failing notability criteria as a surname page. Then it can be redirected as a primary redirect if necessary. The argument put forth by Joy is only relevant if this page is notable, which it clearly is not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:43, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm a minor anthroponymy index might not be (obviously) notable according to the WP:N article guideline, but that guideline isn't meant to apply to it because it's not a regular article. WP:5P1 says Wikipedia combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. which is why we include these sorts of indices even if they're not articles. --Joy (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A set index article is a form of list, which falls under list-based notability criteria. Something violating that would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I am unaware of a policy where set index pages are an exception to that rule, and 5P1 can simply mean that infoboxes contain almanac-like or gazette-like information alongside the article itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:12, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But it's not really just a form of a list. Have you ever seen WP:Set index#Common selection criteria? The concept of it being a list of notable items has been documented there since 2019 (probably, that's from my quick search, could be older).

The idea of these sorts of set indexes often being very similar to disambiguation pages, hence not necessarily just list articles, has likewise been discussed at length, e.g. at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment/Archive 9#Request for comment in 2024 but we didn't reach a clear conclusion on what to do. --Joy (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seemed to have its fair share of people arguing essentially the same thing that I am - that a set index article requires context and therefore notability (i.e. something like Herman (name)). While it can certainly be a list of names, The criteria for creating, adding to, or deleting a set index article should be the same as for a stand-alone list. In the absence of consensus, it reverts to the status quo, which is that name lists are not a form of disambiguation. It would need people to agree that they are, which didn't happen. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:33, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We habitually add name lists into disambiguation pages, this is long documented in the WP:D guideline and there is no missing consensus there. The formatting changes to make this Konstas set index a disambiguation page are trivial. --Joy (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I disagree with the idea that just because we didn't reach a coherent, strictly expressed consensus about the matter of navigation pages in that discussion, that we should just toss all that into the wind. That would truly be dismissive of the volunteer time invested in it, and it would be suspiciously close to WP:Status quo stonewalling. We never had a coherent, strictly expressed consensus about a bunch of things expressed e.g. in the WP:D guideline text (that's the one I've investigated the most so I say this with a bit of experience), and yet we generally recognize most of it as applicable. --Joy (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Do we list people in the credits on disambiguation pages and redirect those entries to the corresponding film/game etc. article? No. Logoshimpo (talk) 07:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not really worth having this in the encyclopedia. Surnames should normally not be redirects, not being a natural search term for most people. Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2021 PSL season

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This is based on a discussion that was originally held in the talk page for the 2020 Philippine Super Liga season. The original editor stated that the redirects to the moved articles should be removed though five years later it hasn't been done. While I made them disambiguation pages later on, deleting the original redirects can still be considered.

Based on the original talk page discussion, considering that the Pakistan Super League's first season was in 2016, I will also be nominating the pages listed below. The 2013, 2014, and 2015 redirects won't be nominated for now since those predate the Pakistan Super League.

Update: I found out that there is an article for the 2014 Palau Soccer League, but "2014 PSL season" is just a redirect at the moment. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MarcusAbacus (talk • contribs) 13:25, 9 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Retarget to the respective seasons on Pakistan Super League and add the redirects here note to the top of each article per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:56, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That could be the better move here. The 2013, 2014, and 2015 season redirects could stick with the volleyball league since those predate the cricket league. Also, there is no need to change any links that go to the listed pages since I changed all the relevant ones a while back. MarcusAbacus (talk) 15:39, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep all. These are reasonable disambiguation pages. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it".4meter4 (talk) 16:08, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep all per 4meter4 and Goldsztajn's remark about WP:NOPRIMARY. These disambiguation pages are appropriate under the current circumstances, as neither of the two sports leagues appears to be the definitive primary topic for these terms. Hatnotes linking between the two articles could be added, but only if one of the leagues emerges as the clear primary topic. AstrooKai (Talk) 08:59, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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American football

Liberty–Appalachian State football rivalry

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. Nothing to suggest there is a rivalry. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 03:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Appears to be original material. Fails WP:SIGCOV and WP:No original research.4meter4 (talk) 04:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Liberty–Old Dominion football rivalry

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No evidence that this is a notable rivalry. Fram (talk) 15:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I find no SIGCOV in reliable, independent sources to support this. The closest we have (and it's not close) is a reddit post about rivalries mentioned in a video game. Aside from the lack of SIGCOV, this lacks any of the attributes of a rivalry (other than, I suppose the coincidence of both schools being located in Virginia). In particular, the programs have played only five games over a 12-year period. There is no regularity of play (five games in 12 years), no lengthy history (first game in 2013), no trophy, or close competition (Liberty has won four of the five games played). Cbl62 (talk) 15:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not sure about saying keep or delete yet because both teams are in the same state. I will just wait to see how things work out here. NotJamestack (talk) 17:04, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Proximity has nothing to do with whether or not this is a rivalry. The sources I reviewed suggests this is mostly a PR push and I could not find any significant coverage in reliable sources. Esolo5002 (talk) 17:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. KingSkyLord (talk | contribs) 03:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blake Mitchell

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Fails to meet notability guidelines. Cssiitcic (talk) 22:47, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Three year starter for a major college team and has sources [13][14][15][16][17]-- Yankees10 23:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Clearly notable as a starter for a major team. NotJamestack (talk) 01:42, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Saying someone is WP:Clearly notable is not sufficient. Notability needs to be proven through the notability guidelines. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 08:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep: based on general notability guidelines on coverage of his sports career and afterwards

Football career:

2006 suspension Associated Press via ESPN and GoUpstate / Spartanburg Herald-Journal (part of USA Today network),
Return to playing in 2006 in Gainesville Sun
2007 suspension WIS 10 TV News

Life after football

2018 coverage of Ironman in The State (though this might be a column)
2020 retrospective of college football and current day information The State

Does not pass WP:NCOLLATH, but those are mostly heuristics for notability and don't replace the notability guidelines.

— 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 08:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Iowa Xplosion

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Redirect to Women's Football Alliance as I am unable to find enough coverage to warrant a standalone article. All I really found was this mention in a story about a different team. JTtheOG (talk) 23:22, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Women's Football Alliance. i could not find anything either. Rainsage (talk) 21:26, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Women's Football Alliance as a better WP:ATD and I always prefer that over a straight deletion. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dayton–Drake football rivalry

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This is a classic example of an article failing WP:NRIVALRY. Almost none of the sources mention a rivalry, let alone give SIGCOV for it. Doesn't help that most of the sources are game articles and give nothing notable about this series. This shouldn't even be renamed to a series because of WP:NOTDB, so we shouldn't immediately try to be as inclusive as possible. This is basically another in-conference matchup that got a page for the sake of having a page, and nothing else. NotJamestack (talk) 00:42, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not even the game reports mention a rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 09:28, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Some coverage exists, see here and here. Ejgreen77 (talk) 11:21, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
These talk about Dayton-Drake as a series, not a rivalry. I don’t think that would warrant SIGCOV. NotJamestack (talk) 16:14, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if it did mention a rivalry, this wouldn’t be SIGCOV either way. NotJamestack (talk) 15:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think the appropriate place for this would be on the Pioneer League article's history section. SportingFlyer T·C 16:57, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. WikiProject College Football has been notified about this AfD. NotJamestack (talk) 01:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. The series lacks long history (regular play began in 1987), geographic proximity (507 miles apart with two states in between), and competitiveness (Dayton has won 29 of 38 games). That said, and somewhat surprisingly, the two articles linked by User:Ejgreen77 (especially this) are persuasive in showing that the two schools considered this to be their the preeminent rivalry. Cbl62 (talk) 15:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, but contextually the series from at least 1993–99 decided the winner of the (small five or six team) conference, with no playoff spot for the winner, so it kind of makes sense, but that's also why I'm suggesting we cover that in the history section, which at the moment is all realignment based. SportingFlyer T·C 16:34, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understand. As I mentioned, multiple objective indicia of "rivalry" are not present here. The coverage provided by Ejgreen is pretty strong, though temporally limited to the years 1997 and 1998. I'm on the fence and wouldn't be outraged by any result (keep, delete, redirect) here. If there was ongoing coverage of a rivalry into the 21st century, I might be persuaded to vote "keep". Cbl62 (talk) 16:45, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, in terms of notability, this isn't a complete zero, and editorially we should absolutely mention their mid-90s games somewhere if it's deleted. I just don't think there's enough sources for a full article at the moment. SportingFlyer T·C 21:49, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even if those two sources actually talked about it as a rivalry, which they don’t, two sources would not be enough. NotJamestack (talk) 18:36, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a legit question as to whether the sources are enough but your repeated assertion that the sources do not even talk about it as a rivalry is inaccurate. To wit:

The first article (here) clearly and plainly describes it as a rivalry: (i) title refers to it as "their biggest rival"; (ii) the article even calls it "the premier rivalry in NCAA Division I-AA", (iii) Drake coach is quoted as calling it "the premier game every year, the premier rivalry". You can argue that this is not enough, but you can't say that the article doesn't discuss it as a rivalry.
The second also discusses it as a rivalry. Indeed, it quotes the Drake coach as saying: "You can't say enough about the quality of this rivalry and the quality of this series."

Friendly advice: You don't have to exaggerate to be persuasive. To the contrary, such exaggeration causes honest readers to question the validtity of everything you say. Cbl62 (talk) 20:17, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Calling something "the premier rivalry" isn't enough for SIGCOV.

The second source is... fine? Let's be honest, though. One alright source? Really.

All of the sources in the article itself don't give any SIGCOV for this "rivalry", so if the second source is the only one that would work, there wouldn't be much. NotJamestack (talk) 21:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not trying to be rude but did you actually read the sources above? Your comments don't make it clear that you did. It sounds like you're just assuming.

"These talk about Dayton-Drake as a series, not a rivalry. I don’t think that would warrant SIGCOV." SIGCOV doesn't have anything to do with whether it's a rivalry or not. Anything on Wikipedia can have SIGCOV. It's not a rivalry-only guideline. Also, you're incorrect, both of the sources discuss the rivalry in detail.

The sources don't have to say rivalry or rivals 50 times for them to be discussing a rivalry. "When they meet today in the nation's most significant non-scholarship game at 1:30 at Drake Stadium, it's more than two closely matched teams playing a football game. It's two nearly identical programs gauging their progress against the team they emulate." ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 22:11, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I read the sources, and my opinion stands.

Once again, even if the sources were good, there are already a ton of bad sources on the page itself, so if those sources were removed, there wouldn't be enough sources.

Look, I'm not trying to WP:BLUDGEON or anything, but please make sure you take the sources already in the article into account. NotJamestack (talk) 22:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, there aren't a ton of bad sources. Sports Reference, ESPN, the NCAA, Newspapers.com, school websites, and CBS Sports are all reliable. The only questionable one is Youtube. Every source doesn't have to have significant coverage. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. Just no. It's the CONTENT that matters most. Not how reliable the source is.

I'm done here. This is just getting dumber and dumber. NotJamestack (talk) 23:52, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And you are wrong. Just because the source is reliable doesn't instantly mean it's not a bad source. Even the ESPN sources are game articles. NotJamestack (talk) 23:53, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per NotJamestack. The actual RS coverage is lacking to establish and sites such as sports reference and school websites don't lend to notability at all regardless of them being considered reliable. On a side note Drake–Northern Iowa rivalry almost certainly should be nominated for deletion as well. Best, GPL93 (talk) 14:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bills–Titans rivalry

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Fails WP:GNG and lacks the sustained, independent coverage required to meet WP:NRIVALRY. A search for "Bills-Titans" and even "Bills-Oilers" yielded very little. Most sources focus on the two notable playoff games between the teams, with none providing in-depth coverage of any ongoing rivalry, if one exists at all. Playing in two memorable playoff games does not necessarily constitute a rivalry. WikiGiancarloC2 (talk) 17:00, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. While this series is currently not as intense as it has been, there is ample documentation in this article to back up a historical rivalry besides the two playoff moments in the 1980s/1990s, covering eras such as the 1960s and the late 2010s/early 2020s. There are pages on several of these "historical" rivalries. See Dolphins-Raiders rivalry or Giants-49ers rivalry. WuTang94 (talk) 19:38, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, but not because of WP:NRIVALRY because that is a one-sentence deep statement that does not help anyone. It's because I searched through Buffalo and Nashville/Tennessee papers to find anything calling them a rivalry or even nemeses and nothing except typical WP:ROUTINE] sources came up. However, if someone with a newspapers.com account happens to find stuff from the 1980s, then I'll consider a keep !vote. Conyo14 (talk) 20:39, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There was a 2019 piece from The Tennesseean that seemed to assess whether or not Bills/Titans is a true rivalry. There's a paywall on it though. WuTang94 (talk) 15:16, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I might be able to bypass that paywall, do you have a link? Conyo14 (talk) 22:13, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing it must be either this or this. Ejgreen77 (talk) 00:09, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First source was the aforementioned 2019 "is it a rivalry" piece, which the article leaned towards. The second one from 2022 is new to me, and can be viewed as a more contemporary one, but it leans towards a reheated rivalry existing to some extent, as Kevin Byard acknowledges its existence. I do agree that it's died down since that 41-7 Bills win in 2022, followed by Derrick Henry, Mike Vrabel, and Ryan Tannehill all leaving the Titans. WuTang94 (talk) 00:34, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Skeptical. This rivalry dates back to 1960, so I highly doubt that there won't be someone who finds SIGCOV on Newspapers.com or somewhere else. NotJamestack (talk) 23:11, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per Let'srun's sources below, there seems to be enough SIGCOV for a keep. NotJamestack (talk) 14:22, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The franchises had two big playoff moments against each other, but they're not really rivals. The fact the Tennesseean had to write an article asking if they were rivals pretty much definitively answers this one. SportingFlyer T·C 18:00, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Found some mentions of a "rivalry" at [[18]] and [[19]], [[20]], and [[21]. Let'srun (talk) 02:00, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say there is enough here for a weak keep, especially with the Fort Worth Star-Telegram providing SIGCOV from the 1980s. Let'srun (talk) 02:04, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All of those articles were all written right before the two teams played each other. They don't demonstrate a true rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 09:30, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In that case I'd look for articles focusing on the teams "trolling" each other, like when the Titans keep running lateral pass plays against the Bills in reference to the Music City Miracle, or the sour taste left in Bills fans' mouths from that play. I know there may be some sources out there. WuTang94 (talk) 17:10, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@SportingFlyer I do not understand your logic. You can't just use the date an article was published as a framing device. You have done it with this AfD AND the Broncos-Patriots AfD. If you're just going to do that, you might as well not participate in these AfDs at all. NotJamestack (talk) 14:19, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, I'll participate. I'm simply noting that if the only coverage about the "rivalry" happens immediately before and after the event, it's probably WP:ROUTINE. You can easily find articles on different actual rivalries from many different sources at many different times of the year, not just recaps of the times they've played, which is all we have here. Every. single. article. here. mentions that the two teams are about to play each other. If they hadn't, no one would be writing about it! That's not a rivalry. Consider one of the sources even has to ask if it's a rivalry! SportingFlyer T·C 17:04, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The third article gives SIGCOV about the rivalry. Does it not? NotJamestack (talk) 17:23, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That article - Bills, Oilers renew old rivalry in playoff game - is about the upcoming Bills-Oilers playoff game, and contains only two paragraphs on the history between the two teams, out of 22 in the article. The rest is on the upcoming playoff matchup.

Same with the other articles. The first mention they've played five times in five years, but is mostly about the upcoming game. The second is a short article and talks only about the two most important games the two teams have played, which were indeed memorable playoff games. The fourth contains lots of text, but only one sentence about a rivalry, and it's from the year after their famous playoff game. SportingFlyer T·C 20:14, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
22 paragraphs in a game article? That sounds like something that can satisfy GNG per WP:NOTROUTINE. It is an essay, but it gives good advice, and makes some good points that I definitely agree with.

An article dedicated to their two most important games? It's short, but it does justify SIGCOV, especially if the two teams played eachother in both games, and no, they are not passing mentions either.NotJamestack (talk) 20:48, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, two OUT of twenty-two, and only used to frame the context of the game preview article.

Two teams playing two individually important games against each other does not constitute a rivalry. SportingFlyer T·C 20:58, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'd argue these sources do not constitute a rivalry between the Bills and Titans, but a rivalry between the Bills and Oilers. Also, the first source is not a source that significantly covers the history of the Bills–Titans rivalry. Conyo14 (talk) 18:53, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's good because notability is WP:NOTTEMPORARY. Yet another reason to keep this article! NotJamestack (talk) 19:36, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I would consider the Bills–Oilers rivalry is not the Bills–Titans rivalry, which would require a rename. Conyo14 (talk) 20:47, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Oilers and the Titans are the same team, so I don't think a rename would work, but that's just what I think. NotJamestack (talk) 20:50, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There are plenty of historical rivalries. There is even a section for Defunct rivalries on List of NFL rivalries. As of right now there is no sourcing for Bills–Titans. Conyo14 (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. A source review would be helpful since there isn't even certainty that this rivalry is a "thing".
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Keep. The source brought up by Let'srun are just about good enough. Cortador (talk) 20:02, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Another example of a mostly made up rivalry. Basically only described as rivalry by sources that are more of like a Bills, Titans/Oilers (Or possibly even sites about history of Pro Football in Houston, combining Oilers and Texans). Basically the article was possibly made to try and get things heated up. Don't use Wikipedia to try and make people believe these are rivalries. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC) [reply]

Read the sources. No one is "trying to make a rivalry happen", and while it's not as strong as it was before, sources exist for one that was stronger back in the day. I have a few more that I'll add tonight. WuTang94 (talk) 20:55, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think anything that is between the "Oilers" and Bills cannot be counted towards the Bills–Titans rivalry. Conyo14 (talk) 23:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Some old NFL Films documentaries covering the Music City Miracle seem to mention the Titans' old history as the Oilers and point to a heated rivalry with the Bills. If I can track them down on whatever streaming service they're on and cite them here, would that change your mind? WuTang94 (talk) 00:48, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No. I'd just say move the content on anything Bills-Oilers related to its own thing. Bills–Titans rivalry should be axed. Conyo14 (talk) 03:56, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WuTang94 I should be more specific. I didn't say it is made up. I said mostly on the article. What I am saying is it makes it seem bigger than it actually is. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:21, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Changing vote to Redirect to List of NFL rivalries #Buffalo Bills vs. Tennessee Titans. They were formerly division rivals and I am convinced that this is somewhat of a rivalry considering The Comeback and Music City Miracle, but I am just not convinced that this is notable enough for an article on its own. So redirect per WP:CHEAP, WP:BLAR and WP:ATD. Also tagging other editors from both sides to see if anyone thinks this is a good idea. @WuTang94 @Let'srun @Cortador @Conyo14. Also going to tag a bunch of other sports Wikipedians: @Left guide @Yankees10 @BeanieFan11 @Aaron08 @GoodDay @Sbaio @400spartans @2012Olympian @Hey man im josh. Servite et contribuere (talk) 09:09, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In the future, I recommend you advertise this to specific WikiProjects instead of pinging specific editors, unless they have been directly involved on the talk page or in editing the article itself. We don't want it to ever look like canvassing @Servite et contribuere. With that said, if the article were deleted, that entry would also likely get removed from the list. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:44, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Even though I lean towards keeping the article, I agree that it might need a slight rewrite if we were to keep it, such as incorporating the additional sources for Bills/Oilers, making a characteristics section that compares the Oilers era to the Titans era, and incorporating more sources from the Mike Vrabel era that ended just recently. But if it's deleted I understand, though I think a brief mention would still be warranted in the "Rivalries" sections of both teams' main pages.

My assessment, however, is that many Bills fans view the Oilers/Titans as the same franchise and remained bitter towards the Titans for the Music City Miracle for a long time. WuTang94 (talk) 13:25, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a recent source from SB Nation: [22] Prior to the Jacksonville Jaguars/Buffalo Bills game in 2024, the Jaguars' writer interviewed the Bills' writer, who went on to compare the Jags/Bills series to Bills/Oilers from the 90s (and by extension the Titans): "This matchup [sic] tend to remind me of the 90s rivalry between the Bills and Houston Oilers (boo Titans) — mostly due to the existence of a genuine cross-division rivalry." WuTang94 (talk) 14:10, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A single sentence in an interview isn't SIGCOV, though. SportingFlyer T·C 22:09, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge – If no further SIGCOV is found, merge relevant content about The Comeback and Music City Miracle into the Buffalo Bills or Tennessee Titans articles, as the rivalry itself lacks sustained notability per WP:NRIVALRY Editor1769 20:15, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Reviewing the sources provided by Let'srun.
- [23] refers to it as a "budding rivalry," meaning its a new and developing rivalry. Since there was no follow up to that article and the Titans now stink, it's safe to say that this didn't go anywhere.
- [24] focuses primarily on the teams’ playoff history and is written like a pre-game coverage article. It's also from the "Tennessean", a newspaper in Nashville, which fails WP:Local.
- [25] is fine and probably the best source for this article to pass GNG, but like SportingFlyer stated, only two paragraphs go into depth of their history while the rest is talking about their upcoming game.
- [26] reads like a standard pre-game coverage and the "rivalry" part is when it talks about an incident where oilers fans sent packages of ground buffalo meat to Houston coaches to motivate them. It provides no in-depth analysis of the rivalry.
- Additionally, the source provided by WuTang94 is from a fan blog who interviewed a editor from another fan blog.

For this article to pass Wp:GNG, it has to receive " significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Even if the source from Fort Worth is considered reliable, we still need another source because basing an entire article on one source doesn't make sense. As Conyo14 noted, we still don't have a reliable, independent source for Bills-Titans. I can believe that there is/was a rivalry between these two teams, but I don't think there's enough to warrant an article about it. Maybe a paragraph or so on the team's pages would be better suited for this? WikiGiancarloC2 (talk) 16:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Tennessean source doesn't "fail" WP:Local because you can't fail an essay. And definitely not a failed essay (Wikipedia_talk:Places_of_local_interest#Failed) This isn't only of "local" interest anyway. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 17:18, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@WikiGiancarloC2: Are you thinking of WP:LOCALCORP? The Tennessean would be a regional publication anyway, but NORG doesn't apply to this article. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 02:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I too do not see how The Tennessean fails WP:LOCAL. Rlendog (talk) 13:56, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per SportingFlyer. Two teams playing two individually important games against each other does not constitute a rivalry is a good summation of the situation. LEPRICAVARK (talk) 15:32, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of NFL rivalries § Buffalo Bills vs. Tennessee Titans per WP:ATD... but that's only because it exists, as quite frankly I'm not seeing the kind of coverage that would warrant the continued existence of that section. The fact that a newspaper reporter ran an entire article questioning whether the rivalry even exists is illuminating (plus their argument that one famous game, the idea that the Titans have to have some sort of rival, and "Mike Vrabel played most of his career for Bills division rival New England" [lol] adds up to a rivalry is utterly unconvincing). Other sources read like routine game coverage that push a rivalry angle into headlines to attract more eyeballs. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 02:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- That list is only for rivalries that have articles. Either this should be deleted – and the content at that list removed – or kept. BeanieFan11 (talk) 00:37, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - I don't think that has to be the case. The rivalries could include summaries of rivalries that are not deemed notable enough for a standalone article but for which some relevant information exists. Which is not to say that I don't believe this subject is not notable enough for a standalone article. Rlendog (talk) 17:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    I think this is a good precedent to set for minor rivalries that exist or have existed, but aren't notable enough for standalone articles. We should also look into better defining what makes a sports rivalry notable enough, as the rules are somewhat murky. WuTang94 (talk) 14:59, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Collins (baseball)

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This person doesn't meet the notability criteria, in part because he doesn't appear to have existed. The only "Collins" on the 1892 St. Louis Browns was Bill Collins. There is no player known only as "Collins" from the era. There is another player on the 1892 Browns whose first name isn't known ("Leonard") but his stats don't jibe with this "Collins" guy's stats. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 00:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This was in fact Bill Collins (catcher), who played September 12, 1892. His article was updated well after this article was created, so this one is now obsolete. Wizardman 00:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Redundant, and not a viable redirect name now that we know his full name. Meters (talk) 04:54, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No valuable content to preserve and not a viable redirect to anything. Geschichte (talk) 05:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. We have a much better article on the same person, and this isn't a viable redirect. Iminscotland (talk) 15:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Delete, redundant to Bill Collins (catcher). -Samoht27 (talk) 21:08, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete – Per all above. Svartner (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Close per WP:SNOW.4meter4 (talk) 04:18, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mihajlo Mitić (basketball)

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I didn't find any significant coverage of this assistant coach to meet WP:GNG, even using his Serbian name (Михајло Митић). ~~Secondary sources are limited to passing mentions.~~ ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:35, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 02:28, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as nominator – Secondary sources I found are 1 2, still not sure if they are SIGCOV. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Ellis

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Probably fails WP:NBASKETBALL and WP:SPORTSBASIC. Not just that, even after appearing in The Bachelorette (American TV series) season 21 and then becoming the main character of The Bachelor (American TV series) season 29, still fails WP:BIOSPECIAL and WP:NBASIC. If he fails NBASIC and SPORTSBASIC, then he also fails WP:GNG. Thus, per WP:BIO1E if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply, should be redirected to The Bachelor (American TV series) season 29. George Ho (talk) 06:54, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Aguirre, Priscilla (2024-03-27). "ABC casts 3 men from Texas for new season of 'The Bachelorette'". San Antonio Express-News. Archived from the original on 2025-01-26. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis is a 30-year-old day trader from Houston. ABC called Ellis a "catch" as his smile lights up every room he walks into and is followed by his positive attitude. ABC said Ellis is a "mama's boy who loves poetry and reading, and says he's here to find the love of his life." He's a former pro basketball player who's passionate about his new career as a day trader. ... Fun facts: He plans to visit every country in his lifetime. He is an avid salsa dancer. He wishes he could live in the year 3000 to see what technology is like."
2. Shey, Brittanie (2024-06-05). "Meet the Texans searching for love on 'The Bachelorette'". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis is also from Houston, where he works as a day trader. Another self-described mama's boy, the 30-year-old former pro basketball player loves poetry and reading, salsa dancing and the Lakers. Ellis has big plans for the future: one of his goals is to travel to every country, and he says he'd like to live to the year 3000 just to see what technology is like."
3. Wallace, Amanda (2024-07-09). "NJ natives Jenn Tran and Grant Ellis are looking for love on 'The Bachelorette'". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Ellis was born in Newark and graduated from Hudson Catholic Regional High School in Jersey City. He was the first Division 1 signee from his high school and went on to play basketball at Iona University in New York. He ended up transferring, graduating from Alberta Magnus College in Connecticut and going on to play professional basketball overseas until an injury ended his career. Ellis, 30, lives in Houston and works as a day trader. ... Outside of work, he enjoys watching the Lakers, bowling and singing at karaoke. He is also an avid salsa dancer. He plans to visit every country in his lifetime and wishes he could live to see what technology is like in the year 3000."
4. Braxton, Greg (2024-08-12). "'The Bachelor' casts Grant Ellis as its next star, the second Black lead in show's history". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis’ romantic journey on the current season of “The Bachelorette” did not have a happy ending. But instead of nursing a broken heart, he’s getting a fresh start and a breakthrough role as the next star of “The Bachelor.” The self-proclaimed mama’s boy and former pro basketball player who now works as a day trader will become only the second Black lead of the series, which launched in 2002. The news followed Monday’s episode of “The Bachelorette,” after Ellis was eliminated from the group of suitors courting star Jenn Tran."
5. Robinson, KiMi (2024-08-12). "Who is Grant Ellis? What to know about the next 'Bachelor' from Jenn Tran's season". USA Today. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis, a 30-year-old day trader living in Houston, was announced as the Season 29 "Bachelor" lead following his elimination during the rose ceremony on Monday's episode of "The Bachelorette." Grant will be the second Black man to lead "The Bachelor" since the show first premiered in 2002. ... In his introductory package, Grant said he's from New Jersey and has played basketball since he was 8. After playing for Iona University and Albertus Magnus College, he took his talents overseas. However, an unspecified injury ended his career."
6. Iannella, Lilli (2025-01-10). "Former Connecticut college basketball player to star on the upcoming season of 'The Bachelor'". CT Insider. Archived from the original on 2025-06-30. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Ellis is a former basketball player, his bio states, and his experience includes playing as a guard at Albertus Magnus College in New Haven. Ellis played basketball at Iona University and Southern University before he transferred to Albertus Magnus in spring 2016, according to his player bio on Albertus Magnus College. During his 2016-17 basketball season, Ellis was named one of the best players in Albertus Magnus' conference, the Great Northwest Athletic Conference (GNAC), according to his player bio from Albertus Magnus College. Mitch Oliver, who has been the head men's basketball coach at Albertus Magnus College for almost 30 years, coached Ellis during his time playing at the college."
7. Hooks, Kalan (2025-03-24). "How basketball shaped Grant Ellis -- and led him to 'The Bachelor'". ESPN. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Basketball paid for Ellis' education and carried him through an extensive career that included playing for top high school programs, Division I in college and professionally overseas. But his singular focus on the game didn't come without sacrifice. ... Ellis grew up in Newark, New Jersey, where he discovered his love for basketball. His father, Robert Ellis, introduced him to the game at 8 years old. ... Ellis spent two seasons at Iona, earning a trip to the 2013 NCAA tournament, where the then-15 seed Gaels fell to the No. 2 seed Ohio State Buckeyes in the second round of the West Regional."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Grant Ellis to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sources above are ordered chronologically and show that Grant Ellis received sustained coverage between for over a year between March 2024 and March 2025. The strongest source is the ESPN article Hooks 2025, which is an extensive profile about him. WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E are not applicable because Ellis received coverage for being a contestant on season 21 of The Bachelorette and the star of season 29 of The Bachelor. Cunard (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Mohi Din Hamaky

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV either in the article or elsewhere. The only references currently in the article are databases, and while I tried searching the MENA database and google using his native name, I couldn't find anything to support notability. Egypt at the 1952 Summer Olympics#Boxing may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 02:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Egypt at the 1952 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Eskandar Shora

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV with which to meet the WP:GNG. A redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing may be a suitable WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 18:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 20:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing, where his name was mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As per WP:ATD. Please ping me when references containing significant coverage are found. Fade258 (talk) 14:07, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Old Iranian media can be hard to find, especially for those such as myself who cannot read any Persian, and do not live remotely near Iran. That being said, he seems to have received coverage from July 12, 1950 in Ettela'at Haftegy. I am working on attempting to obtain a copy, but I do not know if I will be successful, or how long it will take. If anyone has any tips, I would welcome them. – Ike Lek (talk) 22:27, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Issue number appears to be 467 and in-depth coverage looks promising if he is indeed the man in the picture on the cover. Ike Lek (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing -seems sensible as an ATD meantime while Ike Lek is sourcing a possible lead source.Lorraine Crane (talk) 23:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – While I am still working to verify if this information is correct, I have found a source that seems to be claiming that he was Iran's first national champion in his weight-class, and thought it was worth mentioning. [27] – Ike Lek (talk) 01:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Boxing per WP:ATD. Zach^H007

Hubert Meta

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. Eliminated in first bout. The 1 google news hit isn't about this person. LibStar (talk) 23:52, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Papua New Guinea at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Boxing Nil🥝 00:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Papua New Guinea at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Boxing – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:00, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Papua New Guinea at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Boxing as this article is unnecessary. ~Rafael (He, him) • TALK • GUESTBOOK • PROJECTS 02:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – This is what I have found so far: [28][29][30][31]. He has a Facebook if someone is willing to do some looking around, but I can't get Facebook to let me make an account. – Ike Lek (talk) 02:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Facebook isn't a reliable source. Let'srun (talk) 19:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I know. Of course it isn't. My hope is that it would give more clues as to where to look for coverage, especially since he has gone by many variations of his name. Ike Lek (talk) 20:03, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hassen Chaktami

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Declined prod. Eliminated in first bout of Olympics. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. LibStar (talk) 00:41, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – These to me are enough to indicate that there is likely enough WP:SIGCOV to meet WP:GNG. [32][33][34][35] – Ike Lek (talk) 02:45, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Ike Lek. Svartner (talk) 04:29, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Canada Super60

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Article about a cricket competition, not reliably sourced as passing inclusion criteria for sports events. As always, every sporting event is not automatically entitled to a Wikipedia article just because it exists, and has to be shown to pass WP:GNG on its sourceability -- but this is "referenced" almost entirely to primary sources self-published by directly affiliated entities, but for a single article in a suburban community hyperlocal that is not widely distributed enough to vault the subject over GNG all by itself if it's the only non-primary source in the mix.
Nothing here is "inherently" notable enough to exempt this from having to have much better sourcing than this. Bearcat (talk) 19:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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List of 2026 Indian Premier League personnel changes

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WP:TOOSOON, even the 2026 season doesn't have an article yet as its clearly TOOSOON for it. Vestrian24Bio 16:46, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per WP:CRYSTALBALL. 00:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)

Keep : The article will cover mainly about auction and support staff changes. Support staff changes are already taking place and auction will most probably be held in December 2025 (only 4 months later). Besides different trade talks are being heavily discussed in reliable media. :— Preceding unsigned comment added by XYZ 250706 (talk • contribs)
Delete per WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL. Capitals00 (talk) 06:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment : @Capitals00@Svartner Is the event just after 4 months included in WP:TOOSOON and WP:CRYSTAL? XYZ 250706 (talk) 06:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As Vestrian24Bio said, the 2026 Indian Premier League hasn't even been created yet, so it makes no sense then to have an article about the crew changes. Svartner (talk) 07:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IPL 2026 is in 2026 March to May. IPL 2026 auction and staff changes are from July 2025 to January 2026. XYZ 250706 (talk) 03:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment : Another personnel change has taken place today. So already 5 support staff changes of 4 franchises (KKR, LSG, SRH, RR) and 1 player retirement / release of another 1 franchise (CSK) have already taken place. There was also news of another 2 support staff changes of LSG. XYZ 250706 (talk) 03:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Chitwan Rhinos

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We have had multiple previous discussions about Nepal Premier League teams - all with consensus that we do not require separate team articles (just look at how many times Pokhara Avengers and Janakpur Bolts have been deleted, plus Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pokhara Avengers (2nd nomination), Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Janakpur Bolts). Still don't need separate team articles, a redirect would suffice rather than these WP:GNG failing articles with WP:ROUTINE coverage- but this article has been created and edited by multiple editors, so makes sense to have AFD discussion. I propose redirect and protect the redirect from future creation. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:29, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete/BLAR, including creation protection, per nom. Insufficient sustained, independent coverage to warrant a standalone article. —Fortuna, imperatrix 13:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/Redirect per nom, not enough independent coverage other than the ROUTINE coverage. Vestrian24Bio 07:43, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Nepal Premier League – As per above and no enough coverage in references for its standalone article. Fade258 (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

David Docwra

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Only played one first class game. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT. All the sources are primary. LibStar (talk) 01:50, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 02:51, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Worst case situation here is an obvious redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players#D where a note will need to be added summarising his life. This is a clear WP:ATD which has had consensus over a very long period of time as a way of dealing with articles such as this and is part of policy rather than guidelines. There's likely some sourcing around Docwra, and it wouldn't surprise me if at some point we could write a more source based summary of his life, but it's tricky to source enough just now Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Why bother AfD'ing? Just redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players#D. AA (talk) 09:44, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players#D. Personally, I think a speedy redirect of this (rather than via AFD) is fine, if anyone wanted to oppose the redirect, then they could have done and then we could have had AFD afterwards. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:51, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of Oxford University Cricket Club players#D Go4thProsper (talk) 23:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per 4meter4. They obviously fail SPORTSBASIC and I can see no evidence they crest the GNG. I've no objection to redirect but I question if this is really a likely target for a search in the first place. Chetsford (talk) 21:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Konstas

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Only one with a stand alone article. Redirect to Sam Konstas per WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:12, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The AFD process is not a great place for primary topic discussions, WP:RM should be used instead, because a name index can still remain even if one topic is chosen as primary (maybe there are other entries that just aren't documented there yet).

The other Konstas entry seems to match the guideline on items without standalone articles. It links to a player at an Olympic event, so there is some obvious potential.

The proposed primary topic is a twenty year-old player who seems to have participated at the under-19 level. Why would the average English reader strongly associate this name with this person?

A Google Books search for the term shows me nothing in particular, a lot of ambiguity.

It seems more likely that the average reader wouldn't recognize this term at all. Short-circuiting to one person instead of presenting this short list doesn't seem to be particularly beneficial. (Keep) --Joy (talk) 05:27, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your rationale is The proposed primary topic is a twenty year-old player who seems to have participated at the under-19 level.. Quick fact check; Sam Konstas has played Test Cricket at the Senior Level. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:04, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I skimmed the article and apparently missed that. Maybe this information would be obvious to someone who is more in-universe in this regard, but this is a general encyclopedia, not a secondary source on cricket, or any other sport, or any other field of endeavor. --Joy (talk) 14:19, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joy I get what you are saying, but I don't think citing google books is a good example as many authors of books won't be notable. I also understand that this is a general encyclopaedia. I still stand by my argument that Sam is the primary topic. He's not Messi, Ronaldo or Michael Jordan type notable. Not even as notable as someone like Sam Kerr. But Sam Konstas before his Test debut got was considered an exciting prospect and arguably got the most attention of anyone on the Boxing Day Test. The other is a water polo player who played at the 1972 Olympics. Basically I would argue he was just considered a part of an Olympic squad. Don't think he was notable for anything besides being there. Sam on the other hand got a lot of attention for playing Un Orthodox shots. It's a good rationale but I am still convinced Sam is the primary topic. Also with regards to books, books on stuff like war are going to have the names of many non notable people in a war. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:44, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We should be looking for indicators of significance, such as for example some relevant biographer's secondary source about this person. It's hard to expect for this to exist at such a young age, and likewise it's hard to expect that the average reader associates this surname with this person.

How do we normally measure attention in this topic area, and how does that compare to worldwide general measurements of the same? I don't know.

Google Trends for the search terms show two spikes of interest, both of which are past now, and interest is miniscule now.

That website also showed me the topic of Giorgos Konstas, which we don't have documented here, but it's plausible that we could.[36]

I see evidence that in recent times people have looked up the the surname probably in reference to this one person, but no real evidence that this is an actual primary topic according to the guideline. --Joy (talk) 11:00, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and withdrawn: agree per Joy. I think you should nominate this on WP:RM. ROY is WAR Talk! 12:14, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Just to let @Joy and @Royiswariii know that you might want to consider changing your vote as an RM would not work, because if a disambiguation page was created, it would be a case of WP:ONEOTHER in which it redirects to one, and only one other person has the surname. Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:38, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please read the entire rationale that I posted. The procedural issue isn't really the most relevant part, even if it's listed first. --Joy (talk) 06:42, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Due to failing notability criteria as a surname page. Then it can be redirected as a primary redirect if necessary. The argument put forth by Joy is only relevant if this page is notable, which it clearly is not. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:43, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Zxcvbnm a minor anthroponymy index might not be (obviously) notable according to the WP:N article guideline, but that guideline isn't meant to apply to it because it's not a regular article. WP:5P1 says Wikipedia combines many features of general and specialized encyclopedias, almanacs, and gazetteers. which is why we include these sorts of indices even if they're not articles. --Joy (talk) 14:03, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
A set index article is a form of list, which falls under list-based notability criteria. Something violating that would be WP:INDISCRIMINATE. I am unaware of a policy where set index pages are an exception to that rule, and 5P1 can simply mean that infoboxes contain almanac-like or gazette-like information alongside the article itself. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 14:12, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But it's not really just a form of a list. Have you ever seen WP:Set index#Common selection criteria? The concept of it being a list of notable items has been documented there since 2019 (probably, that's from my quick search, could be older).

The idea of these sorts of set indexes often being very similar to disambiguation pages, hence not necessarily just list articles, has likewise been discussed at length, e.g. at Wikipedia talk:Content assessment/Archive 9#Request for comment in 2024 but we didn't reach a clear conclusion on what to do. --Joy (talk) 15:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That seemed to have its fair share of people arguing essentially the same thing that I am - that a set index article requires context and therefore notability (i.e. something like Herman (name)). While it can certainly be a list of names, The criteria for creating, adding to, or deleting a set index article should be the same as for a stand-alone list. In the absence of consensus, it reverts to the status quo, which is that name lists are not a form of disambiguation. It would need people to agree that they are, which didn't happen. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:33, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
We habitually add name lists into disambiguation pages, this is long documented in the WP:D guideline and there is no missing consensus there. The formatting changes to make this Konstas set index a disambiguation page are trivial. --Joy (talk) 13:08, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I disagree with the idea that just because we didn't reach a coherent, strictly expressed consensus about the matter of navigation pages in that discussion, that we should just toss all that into the wind. That would truly be dismissive of the volunteer time invested in it, and it would be suspiciously close to WP:Status quo stonewalling. We never had a coherent, strictly expressed consensus about a bunch of things expressed e.g. in the WP:D guideline text (that's the one I've investigated the most so I say this with a bit of experience), and yet we generally recognize most of it as applicable. --Joy (talk) 13:15, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Do we list people in the credits on disambiguation pages and redirect those entries to the corresponding film/game etc. article? No. Logoshimpo (talk) 07:56, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not really worth having this in the encyclopedia. Surnames should normally not be redirects, not being a natural search term for most people. Geschichte (talk) 20:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Cycling

Edward Newell (cyclist)

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The only references are Olympedia, which in its writeup says that "the cycling career of Edward Newell was of little of note", and sports-reference, neither of which establish notability, and I couldn't find anything better elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 02:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Great Britain at the 1920 Summer Olympics#Cycling – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 03:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Narpat Singh Rajpurohit

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Falls under WP:BIO1E. Notable for a single event of making the Guinness World Record for completing over 30,000 kilometers by cycle in a single country. – DreamRimmer ■ 07:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – Most of sources are WP:NEWSORGINDIA, but Guinness Book record holders tend to have some kind of notability. Svartner (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tang Kam Man

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Declined prod. Fails WP:SPORTSCRIT and WP:NOLY. LibStar (talk) 23:12, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Hong Kong at the 1976 Summer Olympics#Cycling – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 01:53, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – WP:HEYed. Svartner (talk) 00:46, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Hong Kong at the 1976 Summer Olympics#Cycling, where the person's name is listed. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:52, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
I expanded and sourced the article using articles from the South China Morning Post, Wah Kiu Yat Po, and Ta Kung Pao. There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Tang Kam Man (traditional Chinese: 鄧錦文; simplified Chinese: 邓锦文) to pass Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria.
Cunard (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Pinging BeanieFan11 (talk · contribs), who removed the proposed deletion. Cunard (talk) 09:03, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, I had a feeling you'd be able to save this, Cunard :) BeanieFan11 (talk) 14:34, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly notable upon expansion. Seacactus 13 (talk) 00:42, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. Passes WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 02:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep- given these additional expansions that has improved greatly the subjects notability.Lorraine Crane (talk) 20:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Subject clearly never should have been nominated. Passes WP:SPORTSCRIT. – Ike Lek (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I spent a few hours looking at this. Based on my assessment, I find that the article passes WP:GNG, WP:HEY and WP:SPORTSBASIC. There were perhaps some minor concerns regarding WP:SIGCOV, but I find that on expansion these are obviated. WP:SPORTSCRIT is satisfied as well. In total, the degree of SIGCOV by RSS is sufficient to establish subject notability. Zach^H007 17:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dalila Rodríguez Hernandez

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Subject lacks the required WP:SIGCOV needed to meet the WP:SPORTCRIT and WP:GNG. PROD was contested but zero sources showing notability have been added. Let'srun (talk) 01:18, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2010 Pan American Cycling Championships#Track – Where she won a bronze medal. Svartner (talk) 10:35, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She actually won a silver medal at the 2010 Pan American Cycling Championships#Track not bronze. That medal at a significant competition, combined with these sources [37], [38], [39], [40], cumulatively mean she passes GNG in my opinion. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 11:53, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first three sources there lack significant coverage. The last source there is from when she was a minor and as a local publication fails WP:YOUNGATH. Let'srun (talk) 11:58, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:YOUNGATH is part of WP:NSPORT not WP:GNG. If GNG is passed, then SNG can be ignored. Ike Lek (talk) 19:00, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, it is a more stringent criteria than the WP:GNG, similarly to how WP:NCORP operates. As such, it can't be ignored in this case. Let'srun (talk) 19:13, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see where it says that. I think WP:YOUNGATH is a valid argument against meeting WP:SPORTSCRIT claims that other comments are making, but not against this one which claims WP:GNG. Ike Lek (talk) 19:35, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
But your argument isn't GNG either, since none of these have SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 22:33, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's not my argument. I was just commenting on WP:YOUNGATH. I don't have a stance on notability here as of yet. Ike Lek (talk) 23:13, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: she meets WP:NCYCLING (point 3 and 5). She won the World Cup Cali at the 2008–09 UCI Track Cycling World Cup Classics in the team pursuit. 178.197.203.101 (talk) 20:39, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:SPORTSCRIT still requires that at least one piece of WP:SIGCOV be cited in the article, even if the subject meets a SNG. Can you cite any SIGCOV? Let'srun (talk) 21:30, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Per reasonings above. Seacactus 13 (talk) 15:42, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Seacactus 13, which of the sources offer IRS SIGCOV that does not fail YOUNGATH? To meet GNG we need multiple such sources, and to meet SPORTCRIT one of those must be cited in the article. JoelleJay (talk) 19:58, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect. All the sources mentioned above are purely routine primary event recaps with no secondary coverage; the last also fails YOUNGATH, and is entirely just repeating her words from an interview, apart from two partial sentences of primary reporting: The 16-year-old, who was the top female cyclist at the continental competition, stated that... and The Antillean native of this capital dedicated her titles to her mother, .... Nowhere close to SIGCOV. JoelleJay (talk) 20:08, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep meeting multiple times WP:NCYCLING with winning the track cycling World Cup and multiple national time trial champion and won a stage of the Tour de Prince Edward Island [fr]. And nice to mention she is top-8 of the World (7th at World Championships). 95.98.65.177 (talk) 20:52, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
NCYCLING is irrelevant if SPORTCRIT is not met. JoelleJay (talk) 22:34, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect - the poor sourcing in this WP:BLP requires a redirect or deletion. Bearian (talk) 02:12, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cycling Proposed deletions

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Igor Kutergin

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Prod reverted. With only 11 appearances he fails GNG and SIGCOV. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Lacks sufficient coverage to meet the WP:GNG. Please let me know if there are sufficient RSes to support notability and I will consider changing my vote. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 20:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Martin Milkov

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Milkov played five minutes of professional football several years ago (Football Database records 7 minutes of professional football for him) and, since then, has played as an amateur. I can't find any coverage in line with WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The best that I can find is BNR and Sport VT, neither addressing Milkov in enough detail. There is usually consensus to delete when a player had only a brief professional career and didn't have any online WP:SIGCOV. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 15:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep‎. Withdrawn by nominator (non-admin closure) Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 18:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Miguel Pacios

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With 15 professional appearances, I'm not sure he meets GNG or SIGCOV. [41] RossEvans19 (talk) 13:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Question - can you tell us about your BEFORE User:RossEvans19? I'm surprised to see that there's a very recent reference to this player, a decade later. Also - you aren't sure? Nfitz (talk) 16:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say, this was poor from me! After looking again I found [42], [43], [44], [45], [46]. I'm going to withdraw the nomination and I'm open to being trouted if necessary. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I should have worded it better, I believed that, as he had played at a low level, there wouldn't be much coverage, and didn't find anything until I checked again. RossEvans19 (talk) 16:42, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Henry Gangte

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Previously deproded - 5 professional appearances, fails GNG. RossEvans19 (talk) 12:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 14:31, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV, if more coverage is discovered, let me know. Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 20:23, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rayan Ivanov

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Stats stub on a footballer who potentially fails WP:SPORTBASIC and WP:GNG. This was a BLP PROD but it was contested after the creator added his Transfermarkt page. I have done a Bulgarian WP:BEFORE search and the best sources that I could find were My PR, a passing mention and possible failure of WP:YOUNGATH, Konkurent, a squad list mention, and Ekip7, also just a passing mention. The content of this article is already held at the creator's user page so we lose very little by deleting this from mainspace. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify – WP:TOOSOON. Svartner (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Steve Jasso

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 20:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per above. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:47, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ilham Naghiyev

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Just being the president of Baku United FC doesn’t make someone notable. Redivy (talk) 11:26, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Just being the president of Baku United FC doesn’t make someone notable. Did anybody make that claim? What did your WP:BEFORE give? Robby.is.on (talk) 12:02, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Robby.is.on "Compared to the beginning, I have not expressed a personal opinion; I have only provided input aligned with encyclopedic criteria." Redivy (talk) 12:07, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Sorry but the way this has been nominated for deletion is shocking. I've vote keep simply because of the bizarre nomination. Govvy (talk) 17:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Baku United FC as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jeevan Nalge

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Simply fails WP:GNG. Geschichte (talk) 09:55, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 17:29, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Angel Bernal

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Bernal made 12 league appearances and 1 cup appearance for second tier FC Tulsa, but does not appear to have played in the sport since he was released at the end of the 2024 season. While Bernal was apparently the youngest player to sign a contract with FC Tulsa at the time of his signing and he did get at least one article about that fact from a local source I do not believe that shows Bernal meets WP:GNG. Raskuly (talk) 05:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:05, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Yet more non-notable footy spam. We need an acronym for that. Fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christopher Bermudez

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Outside of a reserve team, Bermudez has thus far played in the third tier of American soccer at his highest level. I could not find non-primary sources about him to help establish notability, and therefore he appears to fail WP:GNG. Raskuly (talk) 05:33, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I don't understand your point about "Outside of a reserve team, Bermudez has thus far played in the third tier of American soccer at his highest level". According to Wikipedia:NFOOTY, players are deemed notable if they meet any of the criteria including "Have played in a competitive fixture between two fully professional clubs in a domestic, Continental or Intercontinental club competition" and "Have played for a fully professional club at a national level of the league structure. This must be supported by evidence from a reliable source on a club by club basis for teams playing in leagues that are not recognised as being fully professional". Christopher Bermudez fits both of these criteria. If you need non-primary sources, here

Also reserve team would still count as that reserve team was playing in USL Championship at the time, which is a fully professional league according to Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/Fully professional leagues. ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 01:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know playing level does not establish notability, I was just providing context. "Also reserve team would still count as that reserve team was playing in USL Championship at the time". Count for what? Playing level does not matter. Professional play is old guidance. And I know Real Monarchs was at the time in the second tier, hence why I worded it that way.

1st, 2nd, and 3rd source is a passing mention of Bermudez doing something in a soccer game, which soccer players tend to do. I simply can't read the NYT source so I don't know how Bermudez is mentioned in the article, but when I search his surname it only comes up once. Raskuly (talk) 01:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Professional play is old guidance"? Its still the criteria listed though? We should follow the guidance listed and not make up our own criteria. Yes, the sources mention Bermudez in passing but in context of the sport it would be continued coverage of him playing professional soccer. Playing soccer is something soccer players tend to do and this is evidence, from independent sources, that he is a professional player. Which is notable. ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 01:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NFOOTY has been superseded by WP:NSPORT, and Bermudez is an attacking player so it would make sense that he would do things in a game that would be noted in an article about a game, but the mentions of Bermudez in those articles appear trivial. Sources 1-3 are all about the exact same game so I fail to understand how that is continued coverage. Source 4 which I cannot read appears to be about John Harkes while he coached Greenville Triumph, so it makes sense that Bermudez could be mentioned since he was one of Harkes' players. Could you tell me to what extent Bermudez was mentioned in the NYT article? Raskuly (talk) 02:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

From what I can tell, the only time the subject is mentioned is midway through the article, where the author notes "In January, midfielder Christopher Bermudez moved to Real Monarchs, and Kevin Politz was sold to Hartford Athletic this past December." Purely trivial. Let'srun (talk) 13:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh no kidding? I did not know that WP:NFOOTY had been superseded by WP:NSPORT. I appreciate you informing me and apologize that I was going off old criteria. It seems like it that is the case a lot of lower division American players will be re-classified as not notable because coverage can be spotty (not being the most popular sport in America does that). Not sure if that is a shame, losing so much work, or a good thing to clean up. Any good examples of USL League One players that fit the criteria that I could look at? ColeTrain4EVER (talk) 19:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The only references presented are passing mentions and I don't see anything better elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 13:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aleks Berkolds

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Berkolds played most of his short career playing for reserve teams and I couldn't find much info about him. Appears to fail WP:GNG. Raskuly (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 08:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 19:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan Sepulveda

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources. Let'srun (talk) 02:00, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 04:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My WP:BEFORE search doesn't found references to meet general notability guidelines or to demonstrate significant coverage. Please ping me when references containing significant coverage are found. Fade258 (talk) 13:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Yet more non-notable footy spam. We need an acronym for that. Fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 18:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Juan Ramón Ponce Stadium

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Could not find reliable sources online. I found the stadium on google maps but can be any stadium honestly because it is just a green field. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 01:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to either San Pedro Carchá or C.S.D. Carchá. This could be redirected to either the town where it is located or to the professional sports team in residence at the stadium. In looking in google news under "Estadio Juan Ramón Ponce" there is lots of news coverage of games at the stadium, so it is easy to verify where it is (San Pedro Carchá) and that C.S.D. Carchá plays their home games at that stadium. I couldn't find any SIGCOV of the stadium itself. Best.4meter4 (talk) 03:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 that seems like a good idea... ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 12:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to C.S.D. Carchá – As per viable WP:ATD. Fade258 (talk) 13:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to C.S.D. Carchá as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:49, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sebastian Hernandez (soccer, born 2003)

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable, independent sources. Let'srun (talk) 20:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:22, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:04, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Yet more non-notable footy spam. We need an acronym for that. Fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:05, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This is the clearest case of failing WP:NATHLETE that I have seen in a long time. Zach^H007 03:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Gerenčer

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Weak claim to notability. I am unable to find WP:SIGCOV, only passing mentions in match reports [47] [48] [49] [50]. Geschichte (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC) Geschichte (talk) 09:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Lacks IRS SIGCOV. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 09:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Sources are purely passing mentions in routine primary match reports. JoelleJay (talk) 23:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the lack of sources in this WP:BLP requires deletion. Bearian (talk) 10:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

2011 Atlantic Coast Conference men's soccer season

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Non notable season article, nowhere near meeting WP:GNG. Also 14 years out of date, which further demonstrates that this is not needed. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to 2011 ACC men's soccer tournament – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 04:32, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 09:03, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mathias Yohannes

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV from reliable sources. Let'srun (talk) 01:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:53, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 21:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the poor sources in this WP:BLP requires deletion. Again, we must be cautious about BLPs today. Bearian (talk) 10:35, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brendan Lambe

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The only references currently in the article are databases and all I could find elsewhere were some mentions in routine match coverage such as [[51]]. Let'srun (talk) 01:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:52, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 00:21, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Società Sportiva Palestra Itália

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SS Palestra Itália was the former name of the current Cruzeiro EC, not a separate club [52]. A similar situation occurred with SE Palmeiras, which changed its name due to Brazilian law during World War II [53]. Fails as a WP:SPINOFF. Svartner (talk) 16:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and redirect to Cruzeiro EC per nom, we do not have separate articles when the same club changes name. Giant Snowman 19:52, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

FK Šaca

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Fails WP:GNG. Article only contains own website as a source. Czech article linked through Wikidata doesn't confer notability. Team seems to be defunct and only lists age groups up to under-19 at [54]. C 679 07:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – No IRS SIGCOV at all. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Lacks WP:SIGCOV and only played up to the 3rd level of Slovak football. Svartner (talk) 17:20, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borislav Simić

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Non-notable article of a football player. Only source I could find was Soccerway. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 21:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – @Rafaelthegreat: Did you copy-paste his Serbian name (Борислав Симић) on Google search? It applies to people from countries where its language does not use Latin Alphabet. Anyway, I couldn't find anything about this footballer either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Clariniie I just did it right now. Not really anything though... ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 14:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added a reference(also corrected misinformation - he is a central midfielder, not a defender).Nononsense101 (talk) 15:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Nononsense101, one source is not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Rafaelthegreat: Why not?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  @Nononsense101 there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Also, that looks like some random unknown source. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Rafaelthegreat (talk · contribs) What do you mean by "random unknown source"?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nononsense101 like I said, there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Those two sources are not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, see WP:TRANSFERMARKT, as it is user generated. Giant Snowman 18:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @GiantSnowman thank you for agreeing with me. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: me and @Clariniie searched in two different languages, but we could not find anything. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Qiddiya Coast Stadium

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Per the previous AfD, I think it is still TOOSOON to create this article, given that construction has not yet begun. However, the article has been repeatedly recreated with questionable sourcing. As such, I wanted to bring back to AfD with a suggestion to redirect and PP for EC. Significa liberdade (she/her) (talk) 17:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can it be changed to a draft article for now?? Harold9595959 (talk) 17:29, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and Salt, due to the recreation history. If and when there is enough sourcing to show notability, an admin can allow it to be recreated. Right now it fails WP:GNG.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 21:12, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Locked redirect to 2034 FIFA World Cup#Venues Things can change and nine years is an absurd amount of WP:TOOSOON to even think of an article when the venue is still in planning, but we need to consider WP:ATD rather than just locking it up and dealing with title evasion to push this article through. Nathannah • 📮 23:28, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect and lock per Nathannah reasoning. Govvy (talk) 12:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect as above. Giant Snowman 18:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect (with redirect protected) as above. Too soon for an article about a stadium where construction is not starting until 2029. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:CRYSTAL and WP:OUTCOMES. We deleted at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2027 in American television. Why would a stadium that's not even going to be build before 2029 more notable than TV shows that are already in production 17 months in advance? Bearian (talk) 02:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The difference is that a year of television has a lot of unknowns compared to a World Cup plan which has known stadiums proposed in certain places. This may go by the wayside for another stadium plan in another place, and then the worst we have to do is start an RfD to remove the redirect. Nathannah • 📮 20:32, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Japan national under-23 football team results (2020–present)

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Under-23 (or youth, in general) national football team result pages are not inherently notable. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:29, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The results are notable in the Olympic context/continental games, unlike under-20 or under-17 results. Svartner (talk) 23:25, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is nothing encyclopaedic about results, these pages are basically archival data. To properly have every results page like this, they truly need viable prose. Wikipedia at the end of the day has turned into an archive of knowledge and this is knowledge to who wants to look that up. These pages to me are marmite. You either like them or don't. As for notability, at the level these game are, all these games have match reports from different services, that is notability. So I honestly don't see the complaint here. Govvy (talk) 08:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What are examples of result articles with viable prose? ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Belgium national football team results (1904–1919), Lebanon national football team results (2010–2019), for example. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 15:31, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but Category:England national under-21 football team results would suggest this kind of topic can be notable. Giant Snowman 18:25, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Palestine national under-23 football team results

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Under-23 (or youth, in general) national football team result pages are not inherently notable. Nehme₁₄₉₉ 17:29, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as a valid main page split Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 18:58, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – The results are notable in the Olympic context/continental games, unlike under-20 or under-17 results. Svartner (talk) 23:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep - I know WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS but Category:England national under-21 football team results would suggest this kind of topic can be notable. Giant Snowman 18:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. If there are sources, please find them and then add them. Bearian (talk) 02:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per Bearian actually looking at the sources they lack in WP:SIGCOV. Does not merit standalone article. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment People often go on about notability of content. Results are not about notability, this is just statistics. We have lots of these pages, all with the same problem, 90% of times these pages lack citation. You can build up citations with match reports, but for me are we acting as a repository of results or not. I personally consider this a poor nomination and the reason for deletion seems a null point in my opinion. Govvy (talk) 08:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cullen Wilkerson

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 16:59, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: More non-notable footy spam. Fails WP:GNG. UtherSRG (talk) 18:19, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 23:27, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. My concerns about poorly sourced BLPs have come true. Lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. If you find better sources, ping me. Bearian (talk) 02:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails on WP:BASICSPORT and other WP:SIGCOV. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:26, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Gasperoni

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Despite having 29 appearances for San Marino, the article of this footballer lacks significant coverage to pass WP:GNG. However, the level of that national team is low, resulting in lack of coverage. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:40, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comments Some of his stats maybe muddled up with his brother Alex Gasperoni, also I don't see this article as a redirect what so ever. The nomination has failed to mention his club career for San Marino Calcio, SS Murata, ASAR, US Pietracuta, ASD Sporting Novavalmarecchia, all know negligible. There maybe some match reports and analysis on him. but 24 FIFA apps for the national team is still a feet. [55]. As long as his name is somewhere and no redirect is in place then the wikipedia search feature will pick up what's need. Govvy (talk) 16:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to List of San Marino international footballers as possible search term. Giant Snowman 18:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
As long as the proof is sourced, I'd be fine with other users who voted Redirect. Also, Joseph2302, we absolutely never redirect anyone to surname pages. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List of San Marino international footballers – Per GiantSnowman. Svartner (talk) 21:27, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Umm, as I said above, I am against a redirect, that blocks search results. Govvy (talk) 08:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's fine, but other people can support redirect. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to List of San Marino international footballers as a valid WP:ATD. This is only place where he will be mentioned forever, as the club articles don't list him unless he's on a current squad. As long as his name is somewhere and no redirect is in place then the wikipedia search feature will pick up what's need.- yes but his name is only currently mentioned in List of European association football families, List of San Marino international footballers, Gasperoni (surname page), as per results list. So deleting to "help find club information" won't work. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:32, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Siwakorn Muanseelao

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Like Korkrirk Petchkongthong, this fails GNG. Was even created with the BLP unsourced tag! Geschichte (talk) 06:37, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:55, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:37, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: There's an introduction video and a Facebook post, which are not independent as they're published by the clubs he played and coached for. Also, he spells his name Siwakorn Mueanseelao, so the page should be moved there if kept. --Paul_012 (talk) 16:03, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the lack of good sources in this WP:BLP requires deletion. Bearian (talk) 02:48, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails on WP:BASICSPORT as a non-notable footballer. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:34, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yuna Nakagai

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Declined PROD. WE League player with only four appearances. Even ja.wiki lacks coverage, and the sources provided are just trivial mentions about transfers and a festive game. Svartner (talk) 02:06, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC.4meter4 (talk) 03:25, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, lack of career and coverage. Geschichte (talk) 06:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I'm not finding the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG, either here or elsewhere. Let'srun (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:37, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails on WP:BASICSPORT as a non-notable footballer. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 21:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Roger Mathis (footballer, born 1986)

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Remnant from another time, does not meet current sports guidelines. I'm also unable to verify the games for Lucerne. Geschichte (talk) 20:31, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. If sources are found to prove otherwise, please ping me.4meter4 (talk) 22:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 02:34, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 16:28, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - yet another poorly sourced WP:BLP. In ordinary times, not a big problem, but nowadays, this is a concern. Bearian (talk) 04:12, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- no SIGCOV hits from basic web searches so far. Lorraine Crane (talk) 22:52, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:BASICSPORT as mentioned by nom. Iljhgtn (talk) 02:12, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Gia Nikvashvili

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Only WP:PASSING and WP:PRIMARY sources, therefore fails WP:GNG. Maltese futsal is not notable. Geschichte (talk) 15:49, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't understand exactly what you want. It is a living person, I have included multiple references from various sources. Zoran Stojanovic (talk) 22:50, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a lack of significant coverage. Please see WP:SPORTBASIC. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 19:10, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Leaning Keep – It does appear to be a lot of passing coverage, but there is so much passing coverage, I'm inclined to believe there might be enough out there. On a side note, @Geschichte: this feels a bit bitey. The article hasn't even existed for a day, and calling Maltese futsal not notable is unnecessary, and seems pretty rude considering that it appears to be the article creator's main editing focus. There are definitely some things related to Maltese futsal that meet WP:GNG, regardless of if a particular player does. – Ike Lek (talk) 03:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I'd like to chime in to back up Ike Lek that Maltese futsal, and many other generic sports things like that, are likely to be notable, regardless of the notability of individual players. Futsal is a big sport in Europe, including Malta. I've no opinion on whether this player is notable. Bearian (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 19:44, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, so much coverage that I think it passes GNG at this point.--Ortizesp (talk) 17:08, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I gave my best to promote Maltese futsal on wiki. The articles aren't the greater, but it is a good start. Hopefully someone will upgrade them. Futsal is a popular sport in Malta and it isn't played only within FMA. There are many amateur leagues not sanctioned by the association. Some 20 years ago, there were over 60 teams divided in around 10 groups within 4 divisions. 3 Zoran Stojanovic (talk) 19:38, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the alleged significant coverage? I even searched in Georgian and found little. La Gazzetta covers Giga Nikvashvili in detail, but that's a completely different person to Gia Nikvashvili. The coverage in Malta for the futsal player of this name seems to all just be trivial mentions in match reports. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:12, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have listed links to the articles that mention him or the clubs he played for. Zoran Stojanovic (talk) 10:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - having searched both Maltese and Georgian news sources, I couldn't find one article that addresses Nikvashvili in detail. Even having 10 trivial mentions is no substitute to having 2 or 3 strong sources showing significant coverage of the subject and WP:SPORTBASIC clearly says that every biography should have, as a bare minimum, one decent source. This has none. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:16, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Don't see any evidence of independent WP:SIGCOV, just WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS, routine match coverage and database sources. Fails WP:NSPORT. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. @Zoran Stojanovic:.A list of Maltese or Georgian futsal players might be a better way to go in this case, instead of creating articles individually. Svartner (talk) 04:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I think that every public figure deserves an article on Wikipedia. Zoran Stojanovic (talk) 04:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If Nikvashvili is a public figure then why is there no significant coverage of him anywhere? Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 11:10, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - as a few editors have said that the sourcing is good, I have done a source assessment below to make a case for them not being acceptable:

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://tribuna.com/en/persons/gia-nikvashvili/			Database only	✘ No
https://www.theplayersagent.com/profile/249737/gia_nikvashvili		~	Database only	✘ No
https://www.maltafootball.com/2019/04/06/luxol-futsal-crowned-champions/			Mentioned 3 times but never discussed in detail	✘ No
https://umfutsal.com/history/	He played for them		Mentioned once	✘ No
https://www.maltafootball.com/2025/02/17/luxol-kick-off-enemed-premier-league-elite-phase-commitments-with-a-bang/			Mentioned once	✘ No
https://www.facebook.com/MarsaskalaFutsal/posts/1314590010675819	His employer	Facebook is not WP:RS		✘ No
http://awards.futsalplanet.com/goldenshoe/GoldenShoeClient/PlayerDetails/281			Database only	✘ No
https://sport.timesofmalta.com/2025/06/24/giancarlo-sammut-named-best-maltese-player-in-2024-25-futsal-league/#:~:text=Giancarlo%20Sammut%20won%20the%20Best,Most%20Promising%20Futsal%20Player%20award.			Mentioned once	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

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Delete. Clearly fails GNG, per the source analyses above. An IRS SIGCOV source is required per SPORTBASIC, cobbling together passing mentions doesn't cut it. JoelleJay (talk) 23:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I'm not seeing the aforementioned "significant coverage." Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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NHL team colors and logos

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Seems to fail WP:NOTDIRECTORY, essentially duplicating content of the #Logos section of the respective articles. And the use of 30 non-free files seems to violate WP:NFCC8 ----Min☠︎rax^«¦talk¦» 00:50, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Looks a lot like WP:LISTCRUFT. Ajf773 (talk) 00:51, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It's WP:LISTCRUFT.4meter4 (talk) 01:03, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. This is a blatant violation of WP:NFCC8, and complete failure of WP:LISTN and WP:LISTCRUFT. There are no independent reliable sources which justify having all NHL logo and colour changes in one list. Sportslogos.net and Sportslogohistory.com are fan sites which are not encyclopedic in purpose. Sources from the teams or league are not independent. Sources from The Hockey Writers are independent, but do not discuss the list as a whole and do not justify LISTN. Flibirigit (talk) 13:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Should be kept to other articles, Wikipedia is not a mirror or a repository of images or media files. Maybe soft redirect toc:Category:Logos of National Hockey League teams. –DMartin 22:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per everyone else and WP:NOTGALLERY. Conyo14 (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
DELETE just a catalog of logos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zalaraz (talk • contribs) 02:07, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above. Cos ^{(X + Z)} 01:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just cruft. Maybe could be merged somewhere else. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:38, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Yaron Benyamini

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Unsourced AI slop; on a WP:BEFORE search, nothing appeared in my eyes. SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE ON WIKIPEDIA. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Rafael,

I'm working on adding cites and references.

Please hold with the deletion. Omerbn (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn I could not find anything though. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:21, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat

Yes..

All the references I have are Grandmaster Benyamini's diplomas, pictures, certificates, medals, offline documents, etc..

I working on uploading those. Omerbn (talk) 14:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat@Spiderone

All the references I have are real-life documents (diplomas, certificates, medals, ...). I have ~70 such images.

I've added some in the page, but I'm afraid that showing them all in the page will be horrific.

I am planning on uploading them all to the Common-Wikimedia - what's the correct way in your opinion to present this?

Thanks! Omerbn (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn what? No! You need sources, not images to establish notability. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 15:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat

We have no other evidences.

But I think the diplomas, certificates and medals speak for themselves.

Since when did we (human beings) stop believing offline documents? Why are they less credible then other websites? Omerbn (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet notability. Nswix (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per notability and lack of all sources GGOTCC 18:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GGOTCC

I've uploaded few diplomas and plan to upload more (incl. certificate and medals) in the next few days.

I don't understand why they are less credible than websites. Omerbn (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn This is a good question. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, where the information shown should have been previously reported by reliable sources. Original research is banned because no one else would be able to verify the information. You can see more here. In this case, photos of diplomas that you have do not prove the article's contents. In addition, these are primary documents. Primary documents should only be used with caution, and as long as the information can be verified by others. You can see more here. No one else but you understands the material, and everything else in the article (ie. the quotes, background, styles) are still uncited.

Websites are not inherently more trustworthy than documents. However, the information needs to come from a reliable, published secondary source. A personal blog would also not be trustworthy, but a BBC article is as they BBC independently published information on the topic.

In addition, it appears you have a personal connection with the topic as you have his diplomas. If he is a close relative, then you should state that in accordance with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, as you have some incentive to present him in a certain light. GGOTCC 21:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We do have a connection - he is my Kungfu teacher. I was surprised he doesn't have a Wikipedia page so I decided to write it. I have collected all documents he has in order to write an accurate article.

I was looking on another 9 duan taiji grandmaster Wikipedia page -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Zhenglei. The only sourced I saw were cites from his books, and references to/from his website.

Is this what needed? Am I missing something?

Please let me know so I can fix this article ASAP.

Thanks a lot Omerbn (talk) 07:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also,

Most of these events has happened before the invention of the internet...

If you look at the article of Yaron - there are links to his teachers. What are their credible resources? Omerbn (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn if they are reliable, secondary, and independent with a reputation for fact checking, then yes. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn - the reliable sources do not need to be digital or online, but they do need to be verifiable. Please see WP:NPERSON for more information about what is necessary -- things like diplomas and most of the other sources presented do not meet the notability requirements for inclusion. TiggerJay (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - does not appear to meet notability requirements, only a single non-notable book, social-media accounts show a miniscule following, no news articles, etc. Might be locally famous, but nothing more than that. The article itself is a promotional mess from a COI editor, but even if the page was to be majority reworked into something appropraite for a BLP, there does not appear to be any reliable sources to establish notability. TiggerJay (talk) 20:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Laura Sallés

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Unable to find notable sources that comply for WP:Notability. Sources like ESPN and Olympics.com are also stubs. Im looking to redirect it to some other article. 8bit12man (talk) 00:53, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Andorra at the 2016 Summer Olympics#Judo – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 02:30, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep – A flag bearer at such a recent olympics is bound to have coverage. This gives a little [56][57][58][59], but probably isn't quite enough. There are also interviews [60][61]. Still, it is very unlikely to me that she would not have SIGCOV somewhere. These look really promising, but I do not have paywall access. [62][63][64] This certainly contributes [65]. – Ike Lek (talk) 06:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brad Hefton

I am nominating this article for deletion because I am questioning the subject's notability. The few sources currently provided have reliability issues and are not placed or cited correctly. Much of the information appears to be unsourced or poorly sourced, which raises verifiability concerns. Without sufficient high-quality sources, the subject does not merit a standalone article per Wikipedia's inclusion standards.

GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 00:44, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello I beilive the sources are reliable and the kickboxer is quite popular in the full contact kickboxing scene in the old school era as for the citation I’ll fix them. What do you think? If final decision comes to deletion I’d prefer moving it to draft.Judgejury28 (talk) 00:52, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey @Judgejury28, the sources are still not formatted properly and there is unnecessary spacing. Also, IMDB is not a proper source and the Vocal.media source isn’t even loading. Please fix these problems and try to find more reliable sources, thanks. GOAT Bones231012 (talk) 01:52, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will and also help would be appreciated thanks for your time. Judgejury28 (talk) 02:26, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2018 Atlantic Championship

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Searches did not turn up any in-depth coverage from independent, reliable references. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:27, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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2008 Donington Park Superleague Formula round

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Keep — The main concern in the 2008 discussion seemed to revolve around the newness of the series and how it could pan out as another Premier 1. As it turns out, it attracted decent TV coverage and attendances, outlived A1GP, and filled that spot between F1 and feeder series until Sonangol pulled its funding and killed it. Major feeder series such as GP2/F2 and GP3/F3 have standalone articles for rounds. All 25 other Superleague rounds have standalone articles. I therefore fail to see the issue with this one in particular—other than the lack of sources which can easily ([66], [67], [68], [69], [70]) be fixed. MSport1005 (talk) 01:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sticky Torrens

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Article is unsourced and I cannot find sources online. The only mention I found was from Hot Rod & Stock Car Racing (2008), which is a passing mention saying he was "Irish Open Champion". I'm not a motorsport fan, do idk if this is a different name for a notable competition, but I could not find an "Irish Open" when searching. Otherwise is unmentioned online. Roast (talk) 22:41, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: No sourcing in the article (I hate old Wikipedia articles that got by with "trust me sourcing" ), this is all I could find [71], nothing in Gbooks. There might be something in old newspapers, but I don't have the capacity to look. Oaktree b (talk) 22:59, 11 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 03:25, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I am adding sourcing and editing the text, deleting the unencyclopaedic waffle. I am trying to find sourcing for the claims that he won Irish hot rod championships in 1975 and 1976 - so far, I have found reporting of the 1977 championship saying that Torrens had lost his title. I think his first name is wrong in the article - a clipping I found showed the name as Neville Torrens, so I am now searching for that and I am finding more results. I'll come back when I have added more info and sources. RebeccaGreen (talk) 15:49, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per WP:Hey. Sources added by RebeccaGreen pass WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 00:54, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Per WP:HEY improvements by RebeccaGreen. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:58, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Non notable defunct team. --wooden superman 15:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Beit Jala Lions

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Fails WP:GNG with only two sources that appear primary and one other source that is also primary as the official club website. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:09, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Qianball

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See [72]. Fails GNG, and some of the contents might even be a hoax. [73] is the best source I can find, and it fails SIGCOV. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 02:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for now, with some reservations about the article itself.
It's not a hoax, unless it's a well executed long con involving a book published in 2016[74] and a website archived back to 2007[75]. The book is barely significant coverage (it's got a paragraph and a picture), and the newspaper article[76] is about a qianball tournament. Is that enough? There are multiple google scholar results about racket sports that include the term as well. This one[77] has a preview that includes the (possibly spurious) Chinese origin but I can't see the contents.
I doubt it's actually something played in China. But as the fortune cookie told me "You will find not everything claimed to originate in China is actually Chinese". Oblivy (talk) 03:15, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
qianball.eu isn't independent, since they're the people who likely created the game. The news report and the book entry (which claims to have got the info from YouTube) fails SIGCOV. I feel most of the Google Scholar results (7) are because of the Wikipedia article. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:31, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say qianball.eu is an independent source. You claimed it was a hoax, and I was responding to that by showing a long history of the website's existence. You can feel whatever you want, but suggesting academics are just mentioning random sports they found on wikipedia seems unwarranted. Oblivy (talk) 03:37, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Well, not all journals are created equal. Qianball is obviously not a hoax, but the fact that it originated from China, and is played by a million people there probably is. Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think it is likely accurate that game originated in China because the Danmarks Nationalleksikon confirms that is the case. However, it does not make a claim about how many people play it there or how well established it is in China. Only that it came from there.4meter4 (talk) 18:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I found an encyclopedia entry in Danmarks Nationalleksikon: https://lex.dk/qianball . If Denmark's national encyclopedia has an entry on this sport we should too.4meter4 (talk) 03:50, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep not a hoax, has recognition in Denmark as seen above. jolielover♥talk 03:59, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per 4meter4. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:28, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Daria Kudashova

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Disputed PROD by the article creator quoting Tennis Project guidelines which do not supercede GNG. This tennis player has a best singles rankings of 362 and doubles of 833. She has never played a Grand Slam, WTA Tour or Billie Jean King Cup match. All the sources provided are routine database stuff as is the sparse amount I can find about her through a before search. In summation this article fails GNG and SIGCOV. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ivanna Yastremska

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Fails GNG. Tennis player who has no professional career to speak of and who also seems to have been inactive since 2022. All the coverage I can find about her is associated with her far more well-known sister Dayana Yastremska whose article I suggest a redirect to as an ATD if people prefer rather than to a straight deletion. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 11:05, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Google search and news yield no significant coverage outside of her association with Dayana Yastremska. Her sister's article mentions her only once, so I don't think a redirect is strictly necessary. Epsilon.Prota ^talk 13:01, 12 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
[78], [79], [80], [81], [82], [83] - She has coverage in Ukrainian. News articles stated that she is focusing on her singing and acting career and not tennis. Ceriy (talk) 14:30, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That still doesn't make her notable. You would not start a Wikipedia article on her based on her "focusing on her singing and acting career" neither of which has amounted to anything significant. She still doesn't pass GNG. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 15:49, 13 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – WP:GNG isn't determined based on our subjective evaluation of the subject's significance or accomplishments, but the amount of independent reliable SIGCOV. – Ike Lek (talk) 18:58, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What about WP:Not Inherited? If this person's sister were not famous then there would be zero coverage of her. All the coverage that there is mentions her sister. I swear Wikipedia is mad. You want an article about a wannabe actor/singer with a famous sister who gets media coverage entirely because of said famous sister, but you want to delete Olympic finalists and even medalists because they come from a pre-internet age so proving they had coverage (although it is commonsense that they did) is impossible. By the way I'm using "you" collectively not personally. Anyway I'm saying no more on this. Keep it. Maybe she'll win an Oscar or a Grammy lol. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 19:26, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I understand you are not talking about me personally, but I have been tracking down print sources to save these many of these Olympians from deletion, so it's weird of you to give this response to me. I spent hours last night searching Czech newspaper archive listings online and putting in loan requests through my library just to try to save two Olympian articles, so the implication that I would be part of that problem bothers me. Ike Lek (talk) 13:51, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – per WP:GNG, as the provided media are either unreliable or fail WP:SIGCOV.

The headlines from the first source, PHOTO. Yastremska's sister showed her beauty. 10 out of 10, PHOTO. Bared her legs. Ukrainian tennis player impressed with her look, PHOTO. The Ukrainian tennis player published spicy photos. Fire. Clear case of tabloid journalism. They basically reported that she posted something to Instagram.
OK. Report that she started her professional tennis career.
Again, this is a tabloid-style report on her Instagram post, The Ukrainian tennis star's sister wore a seductive dress for a stunning photoshoot
Glavcom reported on an Instagram story she posted where she sang. This source is unreliable:
1. They reported that Putin might be planning to blow up the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, citing an anonymous Russian Telegram channel as a source.
2. In another piece, they said that a Hungarian airline forced a Ukrainian soldier off a plane in a headline. Two days later, they added a comment from a Ukrainian diplomat saying the man wasn't a soldier, but they didn't change the headline. They also didn't mention that the text was corrected, just appended "updated" to the title.
3. In 2016, they shared a story that Swedish diplomat Carl Bildt could become the next Ukrainian PM, which was widely republished by Russian media such as Sputnik.
The sport focused site provides only routine reports on her tournament performance, so it fails WP:SIGCOV. They only published three stories specifically about her: that she would play in a tournament, that she would play against a Swiss tennis player, and that she lost.
Same as above.

I didn't find any more reliable sources with significant coverage about her, therefore, this should be deleted. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:10, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wrestling

Abbas Hariri

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The only reference now is a database and all I could find were a few sentences of coverage at [[84]], which claims that the subject died in Vancouver, but I couldn't find anything else to support notability. Let'srun (talk) 01:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople, Olympics, Wrestling, and Iran. Let'srun (talk) 01:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Wrestling, where his name was mentioned. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 13:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Wrestling – Per Clara. Svartner (talk) 00:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Wrestling – As per above and WP:ATD. Fade258 (talk) 02:19, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Likely to have SIGCOV in the books by Mahdi Abbasi. Plus: [85], although it is mostly interview. He was also a national champion, in the national sport of his country. I would be surprised if that gained no newspaper coverage. – Ike Lek (talk) 05:26, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Iran at the 1948 Summer Olympics#Wrestling – The only sources I found are a few Persian articles, most of which only mention the name, see [86] and over here [87] without giving significant coverage. In terms of notability, it might be covered in local papers, but those aren’t available on the web, so notability can’t be confirmed. - Jesus isGreat7 ☾⋆ | Ping Me 15:41, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Kim Kuk-fan

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As it stands, this subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The only reference is a database, and all I could find elsewhere was a mention at [[88]]. Let'srun (talk) 00:46, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep – Plenty of SIGCOV. I'll try to AGF and assume you just had some trouble with the name when doing your BEFORE. Some sources do transliterate his name weirdly. Here's an abstract to a article about him [89]. This talks a bit about him as a coach [90], and a little bit more here [91]. There's probably tons more in the sources of the first article, but I can't read Korean, so Korean newspaper databases would be quite difficult for me. – Ike Lek (talk) 03:14, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I found from the korean source that he actually exist. https://gsic.sports.or.kr/com/cop/game/player_info.do?gameCode=14 Also he seems to be covered in other korean resarch material as well as one of the figures that were part of the first generation of wrestlers in south korea.https://www.dbpia.co.kr/journal/articleDetail?nodeId=NODE10862222 Waltzingmogumogupeach (talk) 07:40, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Clearly passes WP:SPORTSBASIC based on the scholarly materials given above. It's not often a wrestler is the primary subject of an academic journal article. Nice find. Other sources look like WP:SIGCOV as well.4meter4 (talk) 01:39, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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