Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Winter Cherry complex

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The result was merge to 2018 Kemerovo fire. J04n(talk page) 19:25, 4 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Winter Cherry complex

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This is a contested prod and a contested merge too. The shopping centre is not notable itself, it just happens to be the site of a disaster that is notable. 92.11.146.197 (talk) 00:46, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Completed for IP with rationale on talk page. ~ GB fan 16:33, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Merge, duplicative. The fire article is not long enough. Abductive (reasoning) 16:36, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- Malls are notable. See WP:NPLACE. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 17:00, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- That is a misreading of the guideline. "Larger shopping malls are often found to be notable. Very small malls, strip malls, and individual shops are generally deleted unless significant sourcing can be found. Size however, does not in and of itself confer notability, nor does it abrogate the requirements set forth in GNG." There has to be coverage independent of the fire. Is there? – Muboshgu (talk) 18:06, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Read the guideline properly. Ajf773 (talk) 19:08, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Shopping malls-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 18:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 18:45, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment This appears to be a small ~~strip~~ mall. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 19:02, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Its footage is est. 200,000 sq. feet; is this small? Staszek Lem (talk) 23:35, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The same as 18,580 sq. metres. Very small. Many shopping mall articles that often survive AfD usually have over 50,000 sqm.. Ajf773 (talk) 23:38, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually the sourcs say the originla 2-storey buildin was 20,000 sq.m. and it wass upgraded to 4 storeys. So the area woulsd be either 40, 000 or 80,000, sq.m.depending how 20,000 was measured: in one plane or two. So I guess it is borderline. Na it was definitely not a strip mall. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:42, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

merge/redirect no inherent notability beyond the event. Most probably the mall will cease to exist: the owners jailed, the building burned thru; nobody in sound mind will keep the name. Staszek Lem (talk) 23:56, 27 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
redirect and next time wait a week. Insta-NotNews nominations rarely are beneficial. L3X1 ◊distænt write◊ 15:39, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - Merge to 2018 Kemerovo fire. --Jax 0677 (talk) 17:57, 28 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - This is not a notable structure or business. Merge with the fire article. Just a collection of stores in the midst of nowhere... Veryproicelandic (talk) 12:17, 29 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - This article is a WP:MILL. Can be discussed in 2018 Kemerovo fire article. FunksBrother (talk) 21:29, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or Redirect, I am having trouble finding sources which covers the mall before it's fire. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 22:12, 30 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge: for reasons stated above. Kiteinthewind ^{Leave a message!} 04:04, 2 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.