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Elisa Torres Durney
Courtesy link: Elisa Torres Durney
Hello, Several months ago (in April 2025), I disclosed a possible conflict of interest on the article Elisa Torres Durney, as I am her father. I also clarified that there was no paid editing involved, and I respectfully requested that experienced editors help review the article to ensure it complies with Wikipedia’s content policies, especially neutrality and sourcing. At the time, someone replied “Currently being reviewed,” but since then, the “paid contributions” and COI warning templates are still present, and no major changes have been made. I'd like to kindly follow up and ask:
- Is the current tag still appropriate?
- Could a neutral editor take a look at the article and recommend or make changes if needed?
- Is there anything else I should do to help resolve this properly?
I'm happy to stay completely hands-off if it's better that way, and I’m simply hoping to ensure that the article reflects Wikipedia’s standards. Thank you so much for your time and support. 2803:C600:5112:EC2A:59E5:2406:14DD:D7B (talk) 03:08, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- First of all, thank you for disclosing your conflict of interest and being transparent! I'll give the article a look-over myself right now. If you aren't being paid, then I'm not sure why that template is up there. It's probably a case of simple miscommunication. Professor Penguino (talk) 04:26, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- The article was created by User:XMANClass, a confirmed and indefinitely blocked sockpuppet master. The accusation is not against the father of the subject. If there was no paid editing involved, what motivated this unethical person to write that article? Cullen328 (talk) 06:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, but some explanation may help a reader unfamiliar with the murkier aspects of Wikipedia. A "sockpuppet" is an alternative username, often one illicitly used in the place of a "blocked" username. The "sockpuppet master" is the earliest or most active among two or more sockpuppets (in many cases, many more than two). "Blocked" means 'prevented from editing'. "Indefinitely blocked" means 'blocked until an appeal is successful'. A "confirmed" sockpuppet is one for whose sockpuppetry there is irrefutable evidence (e.g. use of the same IP number). -- Hoary (talk) 08:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- The article was created by User:XMANClass, a confirmed and indefinitely blocked sockpuppet master. The accusation is not against the father of the subject. If there was no paid editing involved, what motivated this unethical person to write that article? Cullen328 (talk) 06:34, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- I've removed the template, because the required discussion was not started on the article's talk page when the template was used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:57, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
Propose new article for West African Citizens Awards (WAFRICAwards)
As the founder of the West African Citizens Awards (WAFRICAwards), I am disclosing my conflict of interest per WP:COI and propose creating a dedicated Wikipedia article for the WAFRICAwards to document its role in recognizing West African talent in media, entertainment, and entrepreneurship. The awards, active since at least 2016, featured 58 categories in 2019 (e.g., Most Popular Blog, Best Comedian) and have announced a 2025 “Rebirth Edition” with 60 categories, including Best Artist and Pageant Queen, in partnership with organizations like OGUNCCIMA and WAEC. Primary sources include the official website [1] and X posts by @wafricawards . To meet WP:NOTABILITY, I suggest sourcing secondary coverage from regional news outlets like The Guardian Nigeria, Vanguard, or Music In Africa, which cover similar events (e.g., African Entertainment Awards USA [2]). Can editors help identify news articles or press releases about the WAFRICAwards to establish notability? Should the article include sections on history, categories, partnerships, and impact? Wafricawards (talk) 08:25, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Wafricawards, and welcome to the Teahouse. I see you have been blocked, but that is just because your user name is not acceptable - once you have changed it you should be able to get unblocked.
- Appeals like this for people to find references for you are very rarely successful, I'm afraid. It's not impossible that somebody will see your appeal and think, yes, I'd loke to look for suitable references; but it doesn't often happen, as we are all volunteers, who work on what we want to work on. It is possible (no more than that) that you might have better luck if you post at WT:WikiProject Africa - that project is said to be semi-active, but there are probably people who monitor the talk page.
- Note that press releases, like articles based on interviews, are of no value for establishing notability: Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:04, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- One further remark, @Wafricawards: now that you have posted your request here, it is quite possible that somebody will contact you offering to create the article for payment. Do not pay them - they are almost certainly scamming: see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 13:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
Doubt about the contents I can add.
I have thinking that Wikipedia supports myth related contents . But when I edited that Kuttichathan page, I only (I think so) added the name Vishnumaya . Then how It violates the policy of Wikipedia . Also as expert Wikipedians , I am requesting to all of you for a clarification in the Encyclopedia's policy . If anyone tell me , that'll be very help full for me for further edits . SrieK (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- @SrieK: You were reverted for not providing a source for that particular name or ___domain. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:01, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not providing a source means ? I didn't understood it completely . SrieK (talk) 12:51, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- SrieK, acceptable content on Wikipedia summarizes what reliable, published sources say about a topic. And then we provide a reference, also called a citation, to that source, so that a reader can go to that source and verify the accuracy of the content. Verifiability is the relevant core content policy. Compliance with that policy is mandatory and non-negotiable. Cullen328 (talk) 15:55, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not providing a source means ? I didn't understood it completely . SrieK (talk) 12:51, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
How could I go about getting a non-biased article created for a company?
Can you help me figure out how to build a wikipedia page that is for a company but just informational? not at all an endorsement or ad. Killianoellis (talk) 19:28, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. There is no distinction between "informational" and "promotional" here. Wikipedia is not for merely providing information. A Wikipedia article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company(not based on materials from the company or routine activities) showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company.
- I get the sense that you are asking about your employer. If so, please see WP:PAID. 331dot (talk) 20:31, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
Edit submit declined
Hello, supposed to be I need to add a missing thread from WP:ANI to Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive1195 because the Archiver gadget unexpectedly failed, but the submit of my edit was declined because it contains a new external link to a site registered on Wikipedia's blacklist. The following ___domain is blocked from being added: packersproshop.us.com, training.uk.net and e2bet.limited. Please help, what should I do? Fabvill (Talk to me!) 04:45, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Fabvill. Why would you link to commecial websites like that on an encyclopedia? Cullen328 (talk) 05:41, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cullen328, No, Robby.is.on reported this to WP:ANI by adding commercial websites like that for adding spam links through seemingly innocuous edits in which they edit existing references, such as adding translation of the article titles. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 05:45, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cullen328 I need to link to commercial websites like that on an encyclopedia because my Archiver failed unsuccessfully due to an unknown reason. Fabvill (Talk to me!) 05:48, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Fabvill, that is not a good explanation. Links to those websites do not belong on this encyclopedia. The purpose of the blacklist is to keep them off. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ok thank you @Cullen328! Hope that helps! Fabvill (Talk to me!) 06:04, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Fabvill, that is not a good explanation. Links to those websites do not belong on this encyclopedia. The purpose of the blacklist is to keep them off. Cullen328 (talk) 06:01, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Tracie Eaton page creation
This was my first attempt and to be honest am struggling. She is an award winning artist in Australia. Can someone help me? I submitted the following wording and photos.
- [ Proposed article conetnt nmow at Draft:Tracie Eaton ]
MichelleChristoe (talk) 01:47, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- If, MichelleChristoe, you believe that there should be an article on Tracie Eaton (and that she is notable, as understood here), then copy what you've written, click on Draft:Tracie Eaton, paste it in, and click on "Publish" (which just means "save"). Then start on the considerable task of making this draft comply with Wikipedia standards. That done (to the best of your knowledge and ability), submit it for consideration for promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 02:20, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Reference list order
- References list displaying in definition order, not usage order (jumbled), despite correct wikitext and cache clears
Hello Teahouse,
I am experiencing a very persistent and unusual issue with the references section on an article I am working on: Nuclear War: A Scenario.
Instead of displaying as a properly sorted, sequential list (e.g., [1], [2], [3]...), the references list currently appears as a jumbled string of numbers right under the ==References==
heading. For example, it looks something like: [16][11][24][6][17][20][10][27][4][19][18][25][12][7][2][1][3][8][13][14][15][22][26][9][5][23][21]
. It is now on a single line (it was previously in a column, but I removed extraneous newlines).
I have diligently troubleshooting this issue and here's what has been done:
- The article's wikitext has been thoroughly reviewed multiple times by an AI assistant for syntax errors related to references (e.g., malformed
{{r|...}}
invocations, missing</ref>
tags, duplicate{{reflist}}
templates, issues withat=
parameters, etc.). All reference syntax and the{{reflist}}
template itself appear to be correct and standard. - All
<ref name="X">...</ref>
definitions are located correctly within the==References==
section before the{{reflist}}
template. - The numbers appearing in the jumbled list (
[16]
,[11]
,[24]
, etc.) correspond precisely to the order in which the<ref name="...">
tags are defined in the==References==
section of the wikitext, not the order in which they are first used in the article's main body (which is the default expected behavior of{{reflist}}
). - I have performed multiple, aggressive cache clears, including my browser's cache (cookies, cached images and files), and using the
?action=purge
command on Wikipedia. - The issue persists across different web browsers (e.g., Chrome, Safari), indicating it is not a local browser problem.
- I have also meticulously checked the wikitext around the
==References==
heading and the{{reflist}}
tag for any invisible characters or extraneous markup (like stray<br>
tags or unusual newlines), and any found were removed, which improved the display from a column to a single line, but did not resolve the jumbled sorting.
Given that all standard troubleshooting steps for wikitext and caching have been exhausted, it seems this might be a persistent server-side caching issue or a rare parsing glitch affecting this specific page.
Could an experienced editor or technical staff member please advise or investigate further?
Thank you for your time and help. Alex Zivoder (talk) 17:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- The second bullet point is incorrect:
<ref>...</ref>
tags should be placed in the article's body, after the claims that they support, not in the References section before the {{reflist}} template. I think you may have been misinformed by an AI; they have a tendency to hallucinate. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:29, 26 July 2025 (UTC) - I checked the article, and I think you are trying to use list-defined references. Please follow that link to learn about them, rather than trusting an AI to understand it correctly. jlwoodwa (talk) 18:33, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Alex Zivoder. I have been editing for 16 years, have written over 100 new articles, and I have always used the inline referencing technique. Using that most common method, the wiki code for the reference section is empty except for a Template:Reflist. The coding for each reference is at the appropriate place in the body of the article, and the mediawiki software automatically displays and arranges everything neatly. Cullen328 (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- As stated above, there shouldn't be any references in the references section. However, you have defined all the named references in that section, so they cannot simply be deleted, (I tried that see the page history) whilst most of them don't need to be named references as you have only used them once. If you replace one of the uses (ideally the first) of each named reference in the article with the corresponding reference you have added in the references section, you can then delete them from the References section and all should be back to normal. - Arjayay (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Alex Zivoder - I've done the first three for you, so you can see how it is done by viewing the page history. - Arjayay (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Alex Zivoder (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Alex Zivoder - I've done the first three for you, so you can see how it is done by viewing the page history. - Arjayay (talk) 19:43, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I've followed your suggestion and reverted to inline, which eliminated the unwanted row below References. But the problem I wanted to solve was still there: how do I reference different time stamps for the same episode of a podcast? My solution: 1) do not put any timestamp in the description of the
{{Cite episode}}
template, 2) use{{rp}}
right after the first occurence of the episode, 3) use{{r|...}}
from the second occurence onwards. Alex Zivoder (talk) 21:46, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- As stated above, there shouldn't be any references in the references section. However, you have defined all the named references in that section, so they cannot simply be deleted, (I tried that see the page history) whilst most of them don't need to be named references as you have only used them once. If you replace one of the uses (ideally the first) of each named reference in the article with the corresponding reference you have added in the references section, you can then delete them from the References section and all should be back to normal. - Arjayay (talk) 19:26, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. Indeed, following the suggestion of @Cullen328 I reverted to inline. Case closed. Alex Zivoder (talk) 21:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Alex Zivoder. I have been editing for 16 years, have written over 100 new articles, and I have always used the inline referencing technique. Using that most common method, the wiki code for the reference section is empty except for a Template:Reflist. The coding for each reference is at the appropriate place in the body of the article, and the mediawiki software automatically displays and arranges everything neatly. Cullen328 (talk) 18:44, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Question about citations & factual verifications
Hi there, I have a question about Wikipedia guidelines concerning citations and factual verifications.
When you see a footnote at the end of a sentence, is the idea that the information in that sentence is "verified" by that single source? Is it possible that sources cited elsewhere in the article could contribute to the "verification" even if they're not specifically cited as an end-of-sentence footnote? For instance, I see that some articles have separate Works cited, Further reading, and External links sections that don't always align with the footnotes. Is it possible that information in a particular sentence could be drawn from these sources and not the specifically cited one?
Likewise, is it possible that an editor can draw from their own expertise or subject-matter authority in order to "read between the lines" and make certain inferences from the cited sources, even if those claims aren't explicitly stated in the source material?
Basically I'm trying to get a better understanding of how sourcing works on Wikipedia. Any information and guidance that editors can provide would be appreciated. JJ for Arabella (talk) 17:12, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- @JJ for Arabella One obvious thing to say is that a single source can verify several parts of an article. If so, the named references facility allows it to be repeated, which is good practice. One can also use the {{rp}} template to cite a book once and then use that reference to indicate which pages are relevant to a particular sentence/paragraph. More at WP:CITE. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:27, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the response, Mike Turnbull. I'm thinking of a scenario where a sentence says something like "A spider has eight legs", and then the cited source is an article about elephants that doesn't mention spiders at all. Could that be an instance of an editor using their own expertise to "read between the lines" or make inferences that aren't explicitly stated? Could a citation like that be an indication of generative AI usage in your experience? JJ for Arabella (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, JJ for Arabella. Citing an irrelevant article about elephants in a Wikipedia article about spiders is a violation of the core content policy Verifiability. It is also dishonest, and dishonesty is a type of disruptive editing, and therefore a violation of a behavioral guideline. An editor
using their own expertise to "read between the lines" or make inferences that aren't explicitly stated
is also a violation of another core content policy, No original research. To be crystal clear, the main role of a Wikipedia editor is to accurately summarize what the range of reliable, independent sources say about a topic, and to cite those sources as references. Editors are forbidden by policy from adding their own interpretations, no matter what "expertise" they may claim concerning that topic. Cullen328 (talk) 00:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)- As for use of AI, it is commonplace for such "intelligent" tools to hallucinate references. Any human editor who allows such AI tools to run amok is at high risk of being blocked. Cullen328 (talk) 00:58, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- But yes, JJ for Arabella is right - a totally unrelated reference coud well be a hallucinated one and is a red flag for LLM use or other unscrupulous editing. It's pretty easy to make something that looks like a link to a journal article with a random DOI or PMID or similar and the link will go somewhere - almost certainly somewhere unrelated. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 05:05, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the additional information, Cullen328 and D'n'B. I do have examples of this type of dubious citation in mind, but I want to do some additional research to confirm that I'm correct before sounding the alarm. Is an article's talk page the best place to flag citation issues? Could I tag one or both of you in the post? JJ for Arabella (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- JJ for Arabella, you can tag or ping me anywhere you think I might have something useful to offer. Yes, the article talk page is the best place to start. Cullen328 (talk) 16:13, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much for the additional information, Cullen328 and D'n'B. I do have examples of this type of dubious citation in mind, but I want to do some additional research to confirm that I'm correct before sounding the alarm. Is an article's talk page the best place to flag citation issues? Could I tag one or both of you in the post? JJ for Arabella (talk) 15:54, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, JJ for Arabella. Citing an irrelevant article about elephants in a Wikipedia article about spiders is a violation of the core content policy Verifiability. It is also dishonest, and dishonesty is a type of disruptive editing, and therefore a violation of a behavioral guideline. An editor
- Thank you for the response, Mike Turnbull. I'm thinking of a scenario where a sentence says something like "A spider has eight legs", and then the cited source is an article about elephants that doesn't mention spiders at all. Could that be an instance of an editor using their own expertise to "read between the lines" or make inferences that aren't explicitly stated? Could a citation like that be an indication of generative AI usage in your experience? JJ for Arabella (talk) 20:37, 23 July 2025 (UTC)
cultural preference to avoid media & limited coverage
hi there! I am trying to create more visibility for brilliant Irish entrepreneurs & philanthropists who have a profile in ireland, but wouldn't have a lot of media exposure as they would shy away from such a spotlight & or there wouldn't be the local market viewships to warrant such specific interviews. As such, there isn't significant coverage on these men and women, but if you are from Ireland, you would know them and their reputation and great work behind the scenes. How can I bring credit to their work if the 2 main Irish new publications don't qualify as 'significant coverage in reliable, independent, published secondary sources'? Ireland1983 (talk) 00:50, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ireland1983 Don't use Wikipedia then. We can only cite significant coverage in reliable, independent, published secondary sources. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 01:11, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Super helpful, thanks. Ireland1983 (talk) 01:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Ireland1983. You forgot to mention the names of the
2 main Irish new publications
. I see that you cite The Irish Times, which is not new and which is a reliable source. If you mention the other publications by name, then Teahouse hosts can give you an assessment of those sources that you alluded to. Cullen328 (talk) 02:12, 24 July 2025 (UTC)- You're a star, thank you! So the references I used are the Irish times and Irish Independent. Apologies, I didn't mean to call them 'new' - they are longstanding Irish broadsheets. Should I just references as many of the articles as I can find from these 2? There are maybe 5 different articles in the independent & another 5 in the Times - but they focus on money which feels crass & a disservice to the profile. Also, this is my first time publishing anything & I know the pages I like to read, so am trying to portray a story of sorts not just republish an article! Ireland1983 (talk) 02:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ireland1983, I am sitting here in California thinking that these new sources that you mentioned must be some obscure online publications founded recently and without a reputation for reliability. It turns out that the first has been published since 1859 and the second since 1905. Both have solid reputations and this American editor is familiar with both. Do not conclude that these are the only sources you can use. There are many reliable sources published in Ireland. What is very important is that your main sources be reliable and entirely independent of James Murphy, his companies and his foundation. As for being "crass", keep in mind that the role of a Wikipedia editor is to accurately summarize the range of sources that cover the topic, Murphy in this case, and we do not impose our own notions of what is and is not crass. The Neutral point of view is the relevant policy. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thank you. (Cullen is an Irish name btw!) :) Ireland1983 (talk) 03:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ireland1983, yes, I know. I am 3/8 Irish by ancestry and toured Ireland in 1981. My grandfather was called Cullen on a daily basis. It was his middle name. Cullen328 (talk) 03:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- She's changed a-lot since then, but for the better I think :) Lovely connection - great name! Ireland1983 (talk) 02:32, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ireland1983, yes, I know. I am 3/8 Irish by ancestry and toured Ireland in 1981. My grandfather was called Cullen on a daily basis. It was his middle name. Cullen328 (talk) 03:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Gotcha! Thank you. (Cullen is an Irish name btw!) :) Ireland1983 (talk) 03:25, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ireland1983, I am sitting here in California thinking that these new sources that you mentioned must be some obscure online publications founded recently and without a reputation for reliability. It turns out that the first has been published since 1859 and the second since 1905. Both have solid reputations and this American editor is familiar with both. Do not conclude that these are the only sources you can use. There are many reliable sources published in Ireland. What is very important is that your main sources be reliable and entirely independent of James Murphy, his companies and his foundation. As for being "crass", keep in mind that the role of a Wikipedia editor is to accurately summarize the range of sources that cover the topic, Murphy in this case, and we do not impose our own notions of what is and is not crass. The Neutral point of view is the relevant policy. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- You're a star, thank you! So the references I used are the Irish times and Irish Independent. Apologies, I didn't mean to call them 'new' - they are longstanding Irish broadsheets. Should I just references as many of the articles as I can find from these 2? There are maybe 5 different articles in the independent & another 5 in the Times - but they focus on money which feels crass & a disservice to the profile. Also, this is my first time publishing anything & I know the pages I like to read, so am trying to portray a story of sorts not just republish an article! Ireland1983 (talk) 02:23, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Ireland1983. You forgot to mention the names of the
- Super helpful, thanks. Ireland1983 (talk) 01:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- In light of what you've written here and on your Talk Page, I was expecting to find your sources to be to entirely unverifiable pages, or simply fictitious. However, as the AfC reviewer noted, "the references I checked are all valid" (though sources 1 & 2 of you draft link to the same page, just with different dates – but that is minor, and straightforward to fix). Note: what is written above the AfC reviewer's comments is template text. While it is still important to read and take on-board, it should be done in the context of what the reviewer has actually said.
- Given that, I would think that your efforts would perhaps be better focused on the rest of what the reviewer noted. I agree with them that it is highly likely that an LLM has been used (both here and in the draft). Remember that you are ultimately responsible for any and all content you publish here. If you are using an LLM, you must verify everything it has written – including grammar & formatting (though, in honesty, you are going to have a much better time here if you do not use LLMs for writing content). For example, the lead section of your draft is a poorly-formatted run-on sentence – it'd be fine for chats & comments; less so for arguably the most important section of an encyclopaedic article.
- See also:
- • MOS:NOTE; "key role" (specify, don't describe), "under his leadership he pioneered", "notable milestone" (editorialising), "worthy causes" (specify, don't describe), "is known for" (by whom? unspecific; just state the fact)
- • WP:SPAMPAGE; "is one of Murphy’s latest and most innovative product offerings", "formulated to help individuals maintain [...]", "The foundation focuses on empowering [...]" (all florid marketing talk; this is probably the biggest factor in your AfC being declined)
- • WP:NPOV
- • WP:BIO
- • WP:CE
McCovican » log • shhh
09:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)- Super helpful - really appreciate your time. I will try one more time! Ireland1983 (talk) 02:29, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
I edited a page but it hasn't updated
Ajax193 (talk) 12:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, your edit was published but then another editor reverted it manually: [1]
- If you wish to pursue the matter further, you might start a discussion on the article's talk page per WP:BRD. I recommend finding a reputably published source that supports your edit first. In fact, the whole article is in need of more reliable sources. Perception312 (talk) 13:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Perception312 It appears that @UrielAcosta removed the talk page comment Ajax193 placed on their talk page. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ajax193 also posted a comment on the article talk page, which I think is the best place to have a discussion about changes to the article. Perception312 (talk) 00:43, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Perception312 It appears that @UrielAcosta removed the talk page comment Ajax193 placed on their talk page. Justjourney (talk | contribs) 00:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
eligibility of my article
Hi!
I propose to write an article on “gyral Rossby waves (GRWs)”. It would complement the article on equatorial Rossby waves https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equatorial_Rossby_wave (main article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossby_wave). But the problem is that the only articles entirely devoted to these Rossby waves are mine, exclusively: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/10/4/493, https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/6/4/146, https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/6/3/107. Several years have passed between the publication of these articles, some of which contain more than thirty citations.
Articles written by other authors that discuss GRWs are not focused on this new concept exclusively (for example: https://www.mdpi.com/2077-1312/13/6/1187).
Could such an article be eligible for Wikipedia?
Best regards,
Jean-Louis Pinault Jean-Louis Pinault (talk) 13:40, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- The test is whether you can find three sources that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:53, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Jean-Louis Pinault An alternative is to add a small section to the existing article at Rossby wave, which will then be visible to the >100 editors watching that page. Before doing that, please read this guidance for editing with a conflict of interest and this about using sources that you wrote. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
"When will I be Famous "
Subject: Seeking Support as a New Contributor
Dear team, I hope this message finds you all in great spirits. As a passionate new editor who has made over 200 contributions, I am truly enjoying my journey on Wikipedia. The thrill of creating pages, sharing knowledge, and learning the ropes has been incredibly fulfilling. However, I have encountered a challenging situation with User:ResolutionsPerMinute. They have acknowledged that their approach has been somewhat aggressive and unconstructive. Recently, I contributed sourced material to the page "When Will I Be Famous" by the iconic 80s pop band Bros, diligently adhering to all guidelines and providing credible sources from magazines and articles. Despite my efforts to enrich the content, my contributions have been reverted without constructive feedback. Instead, I received responses that felt dismissive and belittling. As a newcomer, I am eager to learn and grow, but I am concerned about the possibility of being blocked or entering into an edit war. I would deeply appreciate any guidance, support, or encouragement you could offer to help me feel valued and empowered as I navigate this platform. Thank you for taking the time to consider my request. I believe that with your support, I can continue to make meaningful contributions to our community. Warm regards,= Lucygeejones8 (talk) 15:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Lucygeejones8 Judging by your additions you are, unfortunately, insisting on a version where the content you add may be Ok but the referencing certainly isn't. For example, you have uploaded two images which are almost certainly copyright violations and quoted a book by its ISBN but without using the usual formatting of {{cite book}}, including details such as the author. Please read WP:CITE and, I suggest, WP:SELFREVERT your latest edit before adding the material correctly if you can. Your mentor should be able to help with the details, or you can ask here. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:38, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Help:Referencing for beginners may also be, er, helpful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dear Member,
- I appreciate your prompt response regarding the images and uploads in question. I would like to clarify that these materials do not infringe upon copyright laws as they fall under the provisions of fair use. As a student of Intellectual Property specializing in copyright law, I would like to emphasize that, in the United Kingdom, fair use is articulated as "fair dealing." This principle permits certain uses of copyrighted materials without the need for permission from the copyright owner, provided that such uses are deemed fair. The following are key points to consider: 1. **Quotations**: Quotations from a work may be utilized as long as they are fair and appropriately acknowledged, typically through the inclusion of the title and the author's name. 2. **Exceptions**: Fair dealing is applicable to contexts such as criticism, review, reporting on current events, and educational endeavors. 3. **Conditions**: The utilization of the material must indeed be fair, ensuring that it does not adversely affect the market value of the original work. For further guidance, I recommend consulting official resources regarding copyright exceptions. Thus, the images may indeed be used for referencing purposes. I intend to conduct additional research on citation practices, including the use of Wikipedia and relevant academic literature, while also seeking further guidance from my mentor. Thank you once again for your response, and I shall strive to provide comprehensive information regarding my citations. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 17:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am not a copyright expert, but I don't believe that publishing an exact photocopy of a copyrighted work meets the fair use conditions. However, that is really irrelevant; the main issue is that uploading a copy of a source is not the right way to cite a source here on Wikipedia. I would repeat @Michael D. Turnbull's suggestion to read WP:CITE to understand how to properly cite a source. CodeTalker (talk) 17:19, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding fair use on Wikipedia, one resource that might be helpful is WP:non-free content. In addition to qualifying for fair use, you must also demonstrate a need for the material and that there's no suitable free material replacement. If you have any further questions about the policy please reply here. Thanks — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 19:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- courtesy ping Lucygeejones8 — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 19:21, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dear member could you provide me with an example Lucygeejones8 (talk) 17:26, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- this is my example of how things should be cited
- Gee, L. (1988). Bros Special (p. 33). Granddemon. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 17:43, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not [1]?
- Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:31, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is the link she currently needs help with if anyone is willing to help. I don't think it would be useful for me to try after the legal threats and accusations from her.
- [2]
- As you can see it links to a category for some reason, includes a redlink to... somewhere, and then a link to a fanpage, which I think is the intended target. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 17:11, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding fair use on Wikipedia, one resource that might be helpful is WP:non-free content. In addition to qualifying for fair use, you must also demonstrate a need for the material and that there's no suitable free material replacement. If you have any further questions about the policy please reply here. Thanks — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 19:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- This reply seems to be written by AI. Please don't use LLMs or such for Wikipedia at all. - Dents (talk2me 🖂) he/him btw!!! 22:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dentsinhere43, not only that reply; the original request as well. -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Too right. The second sentence is pure bullshit. (Sadly, some day soon, LLMs will learn not to do that.) Maproom (talk) 06:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Lucygeejones8, you (or your robot pal) wrote
I am concerned about the possibility of being blocked or entering into an edit war
. I learned a simple lesson when I was a new editor about 16 years ago and I reverted another editor twice. An administrator told me not to edit war or I might get blocked. All it took was that one gentle comment and I have never once engaged in any edit warring. It is really quite simple. If you do not edit war, you do not need to worry about getting blocked for edit warring. Use legitimate forms of dispute resolution instead. Cullen328 (talk) 07:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)- Wow agressive behaviour nothing more did to be said. I will not lower myself to your standard of agression. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nothing the person you're replying to said is remotely aggressive. They're also an administrator. You may wish to drop the LLM, because it seems to be dragging you painfully close to WP:CIR.
McCovican » log • shhh
10:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)- McCovican, you have very litle experience editing on this project, please do not give out such unfriendly advice when you yourself are a newcomer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Mhmmm, "unfriendly". Interesting, considering how condescending you were towards someone else for even indirectly bringing up CIR in this case. Evidently before actually checking that the context was not that of a newcomer making understandable mistakes with enwiki's many policies, but rather someone's LLM usage dragging them well wide of even basic conversational relevancy.
- The more unfriendly thing to do is to let someone walk face-first into a brick wall when they're walking around with their eyes shut.
- In any case, I'll leave you to the company of the LLM-posts. I'm also not as new as you seem to think.
McCovican » log • shhh
08:51, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- McCovican, you have very litle experience editing on this project, please do not give out such unfriendly advice when you yourself are a newcomer. Liz Read! Talk! 00:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Nothing the person you're replying to said is remotely aggressive. They're also an administrator. You may wish to drop the LLM, because it seems to be dragging you painfully close to WP:CIR.
- Wow agressive behaviour nothing more did to be said. I will not lower myself to your standard of agression. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Lucygeejones8, you (or your robot pal) wrote
- Too right. The second sentence is pure bullshit. (Sadly, some day soon, LLMs will learn not to do that.) Maproom (talk) 06:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dentsinhere43, not only that reply; the original request as well. -- Hoary (talk) 23:34, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Kercher, John (1989). Bros Special. Grandreams Limited. ISBN 978-0-86227-665-2.
- ^ POP, |Promotions| Bros Special 1990 |1990 |POP Promotion London Ltd 30 greyhound Road London|Url=https://www.brosmusic.co.uk/copy-9-of-bros-blank
How to report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism
Hi! I don't know how to create reports at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Could someone help me with the process of reporting users? What are the steps? If anything mentions a user in this discussion, it is appropriate if we use User:Example as our example for tips please? Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 18:59, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Servite et contribuere. First of all, do you use Twinkle (I assume the other automated programmes like Huggle have the same?). If so, you can do it from the user contribution page of the user you want to report.
- If you prefer to do it manually, the template is at the top of the Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism noticeboard.
- Did you want advice on the warning templates etc? The process leading up to reporting? Knitsey (talk) 19:05, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Knitsey If it is manually do I have to edit? I don't know what buttons. Also Do I do Twinkle report from the User I am reporting or from the WAIAV itself? Servite et contribuere (talk) 19:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- You would go to the user page of the editor who us vandalising. Top right (desktop version) there is a drop down menue, TW. From there, select ARV. this brings up the 'Advanced Reporting and Vetting' screen. Fill in the relevant details. You can also switch to reporting a user name violation via the drop down menue at the top of that screen (it automatically brings up AIV). You can also report sock puppets/puppeteers and edit warring via that template. Knitsey (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Servite et contribuere to do it manually, go to AIV, copy the template at the top of the board and fill in the details, remembering to adjust for ip or named user. You would add the details via an edit. Before Twinkle, I learnt to copy my edit before publishing, just in case of edit conflicts. Knitsey (talk) 19:59, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Knitsey I think I have figured it out mostly. Servite et contribuere (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Servite et contribuere if you have any problems, then you are welcome to ask at my talk page. I'm not an expert but should be able to help with vandalism edits. Just be aware, if you deal with a lot of vandalism you will at some point end up with abuse on your talk page. This is easily reverted and if necessary, deleted so I wouldn't let it put you off. Knitsey (talk) 20:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- You would go to the user page of the editor who us vandalising. Top right (desktop version) there is a drop down menue, TW. From there, select ARV. this brings up the 'Advanced Reporting and Vetting' screen. Fill in the relevant details. You can also switch to reporting a user name violation via the drop down menue at the top of that screen (it automatically brings up AIV). You can also report sock puppets/puppeteers and edit warring via that template. Knitsey (talk) 19:52, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Knitsey If it is manually do I have to edit? I don't know what buttons. Also Do I do Twinkle report from the User I am reporting or from the WAIAV itself? Servite et contribuere (talk) 19:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
My article is rejected due to insufficient published sources
Hi I'm just curious how a listed company on two public listed board (SGX and HKE) with 38 years of history can end up rejected as not having enough published sources. Could someone help to suggest constructive corrections so that we can get this up to standard. ISDN Holdings Limited. Thanks in advance! Razorzedge (talk) 07:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Razorzedge, it's not the number of sources that matters, but how in-depth they are. More info at WP:ORGTRIV. -- asilvering (talk) 08:22, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Draft:ISDN Holdings has been declined. Not because the company doesn't have enough published sources, but because the draft about it doesn't have enough published, reliable sources, independent of the company and of each other, that describe or discuss the company in depth. To which I might add, Razorzedge, that the draft currently reads as if it was produced by the company itself. Please respond promptly to the request posted at User talk:Razorzedge#July_2025. -- Hoary (talk) 08:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Hoary, I do appreciate your feedback but it still doesn't seem to warrant the draft status. The sources are varied from patents, to listings on two stock exchanges, it's even publicly traded up till today featured by prestigious investment articles like the Edge Singapore, The Business Times and even Jakarta Post. Saying that there is even company references like AVEVA a $6.32 billion USD company. Rightful declarations have also been made. I do hope it clarifies. Razorzedge (talk) 13:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Razorzedge: resubmitting a declined draft without any attempt to address the decline reasons is not only utterly pointless, it's also pretty discourteous, and it merely serves to move your draft one step closer to outright rejection without the option to resubmit. I've done you the favour of undoing your resubmission, so you can work on your draft further. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:38, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Razorzedge Your current draft reads much like the company's own website would do, with little more than a product listing and other WP:RUNOFTHEMILL stuff, which indeed has been cited in the main only to the company itself. In addition, the use of bold text does not conform to Wikipedia's manual of style: MOS:BOLD. An encyclopedia article needs secondary sources (so not patents) with some evidence that independent commentary has been made, perhaps about the actual use of the products, as distinct from people involved in selling its shares. This is summarised at WP:NCORP. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:21, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- My apologies if it sounded discourteous it wasn't my intention. Just finding it hard to understand the how to navigate this so that people get access to the right kind of information. The company has done quite alot of innovations in the space of operational technology (OT) and in itself operational technology has very little mention in the space of informational technology (IT) shouldn't it be of wiki's interest and it's editors to start talking about companies making headwind in these areas. Like navigating the SCADA areas of OT, it's software and its interface with robotics? Just my thoughts but that's exactly what an encyclopedia needs. Alternative or additional perspectives on lesser known spaces. And that's my intent. Again my apologies if it went the wrong way. Razorzedge (talk) 03:32, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Razorzedge. Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Razorzedge: resubmitting a declined draft without any attempt to address the decline reasons is not only utterly pointless, it's also pretty discourteous, and it merely serves to move your draft one step closer to outright rejection without the option to resubmit. I've done you the favour of undoing your resubmission, so you can work on your draft further. --DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:38, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks Hoary, I do appreciate your feedback but it still doesn't seem to warrant the draft status. The sources are varied from patents, to listings on two stock exchanges, it's even publicly traded up till today featured by prestigious investment articles like the Edge Singapore, The Business Times and even Jakarta Post. Saying that there is even company references like AVEVA a $6.32 billion USD company. Rightful declarations have also been made. I do hope it clarifies. Razorzedge (talk) 13:27, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Template for inserting a book into a bibliography section?
I was going to add a work to the bibliography section of Margherita Sarfatti, but instead of typing it out by hand with my questionable formatting I feel like there should be some template to help me generate something like this? Sadly when I google this I get a bunch of information about how to cite a book, which is not what I want to do. Any best practices on how to do this? Jakevossen5 (talk) 04:41, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- You can use a tool like WP:ProveIt that can generate citations using {{cite book}} from ISBNs. ScalarFactor (talk) 06:32, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Are you using Visual Editing, or source code editing? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- I use WP:REFTOOLBAR out of habit, and you can make a cite book etc with that, but then remove the ref-tags and put a * in front. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:08, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is what I do, usually. It's irritating, but less irritating than the other methods, in my opinion. -- asilvering (talk) 08:23, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- There's also Citer at toolforge which can take an ISBN and make a full citation, using {{cite book}}. It can take other inputs like URL and digital object identifiers. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:15, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
improve and expand wikipedia article "Dennō Senshi Porygon"
Courtesy link: Dennō Senshi Porygon
i don't know how to properly describe this article, there isn't much info in this article (especially when compared to the corresponding article in japanese) and people use this wikipedia article for information about Dennō Senshi Porygon, hell, it even says "you can expand this article from the corresponding articles in japanese and vietnamese" at the top, that describes this article, it isn't bad, but it's lacking information 109.81.22.55 (talk) 16:46, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. It may not have been your intention, but "improve and expand wikipedia article 'Dennō Senshi Porygon'" appears to be an imperative clause, used in order to direct the reader to improve and expand the article. But we readers aren't your wage-slaves (and most of us have other interests), so we're unlikely to comply. ¶ (You are making a lot of use of these imperative clauses; see here for example.) ¶ You say "i don't know how to properly describe this article, there isn't much info in this article". I'd be inclined to describe it as very prolix. However, this may result from my total lack of interest in Pokemon. If the article is deficient in some way, then (if you adhere to Wikipedia policies) you are free to correct the deficiency. ¶ If a discussion about how to improve the article could be beneficial, then Talk:Dennō Senshi Porygon is the obvious place to start it. It seems likely that you and 109.81.94.122 are the same person. You are not obliged to edit under a username (in the same way that, for example, I am editing as "Hoary"), but you may find that doing so makes it easier to communicate. -- Hoary (talk) 22:03, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- well i did edit and improved and expanded text and info on this article (along with a user named snorlaxmonster) but still, i don't know what to put that would improve and expand it more, i did add a topic about this article on the user page of Ser Amantio Di Nicolao, so maybe that will help? anyways it seems it isn't a problem in which i don't know info about it, but the problem is that i don't know what to put in order to improve and expand this article, i mean this is a important part of Pokémon history, if not anime history, and considering the fact that people use this article to get information about this event, because it's wikipedia, improving and expanding this article will help a lot when it comes to information about this event 109.81.22.55 (talk) 10:17, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Help with removing banners
So I was doing some edits on the page for Olesya Hudyma and discovered that her biography was tagged as relying on primary sources. That is partially the case but upon further investigation I couldn't find any secondary or tertiary sources except for social media (Primary source) and shopping websites such as eBay (come on, pretty obvious we're not going to use shopping websites as sources). Furthermore, most sources had interviews with the artist, but the information actually put in the article was completely unrelated to the interview. Also, the entire article itself is further tagged as painting something in a positive light, I found a few cases of that and removed it. Any advise of next steps? Vestrix (talk) 16:51, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- I've removed the latter tag.
- It seems most of the sources are in Ukrainian - do you speak that language? If not, you might ask for help at WT:WikiProject Ukraine. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:49, 24 July 2025 (UTC)
- I google translated most of it. What should I do in future situations if specific info about a person is only from primary sources and non-reliable secondary sources? Vestrix (talk) 00:24, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Remove that "specific info", Vestrix. Or of course find reliable, disinterested, secondary sources and cite those instead. -- Hoary (talk) 00:39, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Check WP:PRIMARY to see when primary sources are and are not acceptable. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:47, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I google translated most of it. What should I do in future situations if specific info about a person is only from primary sources and non-reliable secondary sources? Vestrix (talk) 00:24, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
daft not suitable for Main space?
Please, can any available person go through this particular draft (draft:Sam Maris University) and check whether it’s ready for the main space, Ty in advance:) 9aija (talk) 07:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- You had coding in place to suppress the proper function of the submission template; I have fixed this so you can now submit the draft for review. I would not do so yet, though, because it would be declined quickly- it reads like a brochure for prospective students, telling about the university and its offerings. Instead, any article about the university should summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable organization.
- If you are associated with this university, that must be disclosed, see WP:COI and WP:PAID (if you are an employee of the university). I see that you took a picture of the Vice Chancellor where he posed for you. 331dot (talk) 07:56, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much 9aija (talk) 07:58, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Draft Review Template Still On After 12 Hours
Hello all,
As you can see from the title, my draft said that it is still under review after 12 hours, where it said to ask the Teahouse thereafter. I noticed that the article it would be replacing, which is currently a redirect, is being requested for a speedy deletion, and that may be the reason for the long wait, but I still feel I should post this here. My reviewer is RangerRus. Thank you. SassafrassAlabass (talk) 15:31, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- It may be worth asking them at their talk page about it. If it is still under review for 3 days, a bot will put it back in the queue. — Tenshi! (Talk page) 15:38, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Sockpuppet investigation against myself
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello. I have been blocked for vandalism on other accounts in the past; this account, which I have used constructively, is a sockpuppet. I reported myself at WP:SPI, but after seeing the backlog there, I'm wondering if there's a more appropriate place to report myself, since there is presumably no need for an actual investigation because of my confession? Luke10.27 (talk) 15:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
For the reference of readers here, this is what I posted at SPI: "I vandalized in the past using many accounts (Leformefoldef is far from the only one, but it is the only one whose username I remember; I do not think it was the last one) and was permanently blocked. I created this account intending to contribute constructively; I have not vandalized since creating this account, but I understand that I should have sought to be unblocked according to policy. I was wrong in creating another sockpuppet, and I am reporting myself so the community can take action as appropriate." Luke10.27 (talk) 15:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Have you seen WP:STANDARD? The exact letter of it disqualifies you due to the socking, but the principle is there. Instead of setting up sock accounts, why not make an unblock request from your main account? Valenciano (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! Yes, I have seen that, but I felt that it would be dishonest to simply presume that it was okay to keep editing, rather than let the community know what happened. (I expect that I will most likely be blocked on this account, but I do hope to take the standard offer after six months have passed.) This is the only account I have access to anymore, as I no longer have the passwords to any blocked accounts. Luke10.27 (talk) 15:20, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Have you seen WP:STANDARD? The exact letter of it disqualifies you due to the socking, but the principle is there. Instead of setting up sock accounts, why not make an unblock request from your main account? Valenciano (talk) 15:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Article assessment help
Hello, I am wondering on what steps I would need to take if I ever wanted to submit an article for Wikipedia's content assessment scale or importance scale. The article in question is Surface metrology if you were wondering (it isn't ready yet, this would be for the future). I was also wondering how I could see where it is categorized in Wikiproject engineering. Lastly I saw that there was a hidden category for this article: Category:Wikipedia articles needing clarification from August 2009, at what point can it be decided that it won't need clarification anymore? Aram Khachaturian (talk) 19:02, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- The latter is caused by an inline cleanup template, {{Cleanup}}; search for the string "clarification needed" on the page.
- There's a gadget called "Rater", that will give you hints for quality assessment. It suggests that the article is currently "C" class. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! Aram Khachaturian (talk) 19:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Draft getting rejected in review
Courtesy link: Draft:Instamart
Hi, my draft Instamart is getting rejected when I put in for review and below is the message i am getting even after making changes, Can someone help on what sources to put?
"This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are:
- in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
- reliable
- secondary
- strictly independent of the subject"
Adityasharma0701 (talk) 11:09, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello and welcome. I'm unclear as to what you are asking- as you seem to be answering your own question. 331dot (talk) 11:12, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- That text - and the pages it links to - explains exactly what sourced to use. If there are not any that meet those criteria, then the subject is not suitable for a Wikipedia article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:13, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you both for your responses. I understand that the article requires multiple, in-depth, reliable, and independent secondary sources.And I believe I have mentioned in my draft as well!
- Could you kindly confirm if the following types of sources would be acceptable?
- Articles from The Economic Times, Business Standard, Mint, or Forbes India that discuss Instamart’s operations, market impact, or strategy in detail.
- Coverage by independent tech or retail analysts (e.g., Entrackr, TechCrunch, Inc42) that are not affiliated with Swiggy.
- Any independent case studies or academic publications about quick-commerce or Swiggy Instamart.
- Thanks again for the guidance — I’ll revise the draft with better-suited sources. Adityasharma0701 (talk) 11:29, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please respond to the inquiry on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 11:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Once you have answered the question referred to by 331dot, please see WP:NCORP and WP:ORGTRIV. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:01, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Why do non-logged-in users comment on ANI?
I was browsing WP:ANI and noticed there are a surprising number of users whose comments are just signed with an IP address. That seems really weird. What explains that? YarrowFlower (talk) 12:07, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Any editor, including IP editors, can share their opinions on WP:AN and WP:AN/I. Many IP editors are actually long-term participants who simply prefer operating as an IP rather than through an account. While Wikipedia encourages people creating an account, which affords them greater privacy, there is no requirement that an editor do so. Simonm223 (talk) 12:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- It has to do with Wikipedia's commitment to being an "encyclopedia that anyone can edit". TurboSuperA+(talk) 12:10, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Is my father eligible for an article
Hello! I would like to create a Wikipedia article about my father. He is a Hindi author who has:
- Published more than 20 books (some through RK Publications, Mumbai, and some self-published) - Received the Maharashtra Hindi Sahitya Academy Award (a state-level government literary award) - Been featured in multiple newspapers like Amar Ujala, Mahanagar, Yashobhumi, and Mumbai Mitra
I want to check if this would meet Wikipedia’s notability criteria for authors before I begin writing the article. Thank you! Shrikant.jiii (talk) 12:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Shrikant.jiii, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- The question amounts to "Are there several independent, reliable, substantial sources about him? - that is, sources which meet all three criteria in WP:42. They do not have to be in English, though English sources are preferred if they exist.
- If you can find several such sources, then an article would be possible; but your conflict of interest may make it harder than it otherwise would be. You would need to effectively forget everything you personally knew about him, and write a neutral summary of what those sources say even if you think they leave out something important, or are even wrong about something.
- Note that neither publishing books, nor receiving that award (which does not appear to be a notable award - at least we do not have an article about it), nor "being featured" in newspapers, will help in themselves. Independent articles about those things may do so. And an in-depth independent article about him in a newspaper will help, but a passing mention, or an article which is mostly an interview with him, won't. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Depreciated/primary source usage for current events
Can a DEPRECIATEd source be used for, say, current events? What would qualify for acceptable use? What about primary sources? Zinderboff (talk) 15:06, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Deprecated sources generally should not be used; the only exception is when they write about themselves, such as a newspaper announcing its own change of editor.
- Note that some sources are only deprecated for certain topics (e.g. medicine) and others only after a certain date. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:31, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Help Writing in Neutral tones
Hello, I just wrote my first ever wikipedia article and it was denied since it sounded more like an advertisement than encyclopedic. I have no malicious intent, and I'm just trying to write about a cool company in my town, if anyone could point out places that seem exaggerated or embellished please let me know. Also the sources I used... to my knowledge... are not paid for by the company, but if anyone has suggestions for things to remove due to the sources not being reliable please let me know! Thanks!
Draft:TAIT(draft). Sjonnyon (talk) 13:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I moved the draft page to Draft:TAIT, which is the standard format. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I was editing the page and when I went to save and publish it said it was moved so my edits didn't save how can I get them back? Sjonnyon (talk) 15:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you still have the editing window open, copy them and paste them into the editing window for the article at its new ___location. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:23, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I do not have the editing window open anymore Sjonnyon (talk) 16:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you still have the editing window open, copy them and paste them into the editing window for the article at its new ___location. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:23, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I was editing the page and when I went to save and publish it said it was moved so my edits didn't save how can I get them back? Sjonnyon (talk) 15:59, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Sjonnyon, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- Usually when a draft is declined with that comment, the problem is that the writer has either written what they know about the subject, or has written what the subject wants people to know about themselves.
- Neither of these is of any relevance.
- A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people wholly unconnected with the subject have independently chosen to publish about the subject, and very little else. See WP:42 for information about suitable sources.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 14:56, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Linked portrait is of a different person
The linked portrait identified as Francis II of France is actually his younger brother Charles IX. File:Portrait du roi de France François II.jpg. EllenEades (talk) 17:00, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have raised the issue on Wikimedia Commons, where the image is held and described, at c:Commons:Village pump#Which King?.
- If you are correct, articles in a number of Wikipedias, in different languages, will need to be fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:00, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Copyright
I was editing a page on a regional hospital and I used their website to get the list of specialty clinics they provide. I listed the specialties on the Wikipedia page and provided the citation to the hospital website.
I was reverted because the editor said it was a copyright infringement.
This is public information.
I don’t understand. I asked the question from AI and got this
‘’These specialties are publicly listed on Western Missouri Medical Center’s official website and provider directory. There is no copyright restriction on listing or summarizing these services when sourced from open-access pages.” Doglover.Coton (talk) 20:05, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please follow the process described at WP:DR.
- That said, I've looked at the edit in question, and while the list is probably not copyrightable, it's not appropriate for inclusion in the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:57, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Can you expound on why the list of specialty clinics would not be appropriate in inclusion? I felt like it was a key component of what this institution is.
- I’m still learning so appreciate your input. Doglover.Coton (talk) 22:08, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's not Wikipedia's place to list (much less to try to maintain over time a list of) every service an organisation provides; much of what is in the list is standard for a hospital, and per WP: NOTDIRECTORY. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:14, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Welcome template for SPA?
Is there a welcome template, so not a warning per se, but a welcome template that does bring attention still to the fact that an account appears to be a new single-purpose account? I noticed that for this account and felt it would have been helpful if it does exist. Iljhgtn (talk) 07:36, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Iljhgtn New accounts very often do focus on a single topic, when newcomers create their account with the intention of completing some task and find that difficult, so it takes time. There may be a template such as you seek but if, even after making the necessary assumptions you think something is "off", you would be better composing a message of you own, I think. Being single-purpose is not itself a problem although persisting to force content when shown why it doesn't fit can be. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:36, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well this is why I thought a welcome template and not a warning template is what I think would be helpful. It could even come with cookies.. Iljhgtn (talk) 08:40, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Then you have answered your own question as {{cookie}} is useful and allows a simple message. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- True, though I do like templates that are more specific often, so I was just curious if this could be built. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Then you have answered your own question as {{cookie}} is useful and allows a simple message. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well this is why I thought a welcome template and not a warning template is what I think would be helpful. It could even come with cookies.. Iljhgtn (talk) 08:40, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- The user you cite made eight edits over three days; four were relating to one article and its AfD, and four not, so hardly an "SPA".
- Please don't template (nor "warn" manually) such editors. See also WP:BITE and WP:AGF. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- I was not warning them and have not sent anything, I was first seeing what the options were and wanted a more friendly template. The cookie suggestion is decent. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:49, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's quite clear what you said in your OP; which is that you considered the account in question to be an SPA and wanted to template them on that basis. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- "...so not a warning per se, but a welcome template..." just to clarify again for other readers. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
"(nor "warn" manually)"
, with quote marks around "warn"—just to clarify again for other readers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)- What are we doing here? Care to move on? I have not done anything, I think the cookie is a good idea, and I think a WELCOME template might also be a good idea. Please keep calm and carry on. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:23, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- What I'm doing is trying—calmly—to stop you (and others who might innocently try to emulate you) from treating new users badly; I've no idea what on Earth you're doing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Andy, Ilj specifically said a “welcome” template; you’re misinterpreting what they’re saying. EF5 13:24, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am not. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Andy, Ilj specifically said a “welcome” template; you’re misinterpreting what they’re saying. EF5 13:24, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- What I'm doing is trying—calmly—to stop you (and others who might innocently try to emulate you) from treating new users badly; I've no idea what on Earth you're doing. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- What are we doing here? Care to move on? I have not done anything, I think the cookie is a good idea, and I think a WELCOME template might also be a good idea. Please keep calm and carry on. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:23, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- "...so not a warning per se, but a welcome template..." just to clarify again for other readers. Iljhgtn (talk) 11:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's quite clear what you said in your OP; which is that you considered the account in question to be an SPA and wanted to template them on that basis. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- I was not warning them and have not sent anything, I was first seeing what the options were and wanted a more friendly template. The cookie suggestion is decent. Iljhgtn (talk) 10:49, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Locate
how can I locate funds in my name ? I'm going through a nervous breakdown I'm lost in all this and bo one will help. I'm homeless I have no car no family. 63.142.130.10 (talk) 13:33, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is not something that we are able to help with, this is help forum for editing Wikipedia. I urge you to seek out help locally, from either charities or local goverment provisions wherever you are. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 14:02, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Book Sources
Does the text "The surname of the author; don't wikilink, use 'author-link' instead; can suffix with a numeral to add additional authors" mean that when there are multiple authors you should do this "[Placeholder], [Placeholder]2"? Abaciscus (talk) 14:52, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- You presumably refer to {{Cite book}} and its sibling templates.
- Look at the "Parameters" column in the table at Template:Cite book#TemplateData for parameter names ending in "2", "3", etc. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
adding a brand name to an article
Hello i am new here and do not know too much about the editing process but i would like to ask for assistance with regards to 'sex doll' main article. i see it mentions some sex doll brands but when i tried adding YJLDoll as one of those brands it was not approved or removed i guess? Can anyone help me add that? or how to add it so it does not get removed. it was on the "see also" and it named several brands. thank you Execactlymedia (talk) 07:14, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- No, we won't add that to Sex doll. See also sections are only used to link English Wikipedia articles, and YJLDoll does not have an English Wikipedia article. Your mention of the company in the body of the article was unsourced and promotional, and was removed. You then created Draft:YJLDOLL about the company, but it is unsourced, promotional, appears to be AI-generated, and was declined by user:MCE89. Meters (talk) 07:27, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- And now the draft has been deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion" Meters (talk) 07:33, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Execactlymedia, I was the one that reverted your edit. I do apologise for not leaving you a message, it is rare that I forget to do that.
- I reverted your edit as it was advertising, you dumped your edit in the middle of a section about the state of research into sex doll usage. Your edit was spammy. Knitsey (talk) 07:33, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Editing
I wish to add a contribution to a Wikipedia page. The subject of the Wikipedia page is a building I had something to do with and without my contribution the current page is both misleading and deficient. My contribution does not originate from any previous academic or media source, because what I know is in my head - I was the person that initiated the development.d I have been advised - "“curprev 10:42, 28 July 2025 Panamitsu talk contribs 12,228 bytes −1,432 Undid revision 1302944403 by EllisGN (talk) Nice work but this information is missing from the sources. On Wikipedia, all information must be referenced. I enocurage you to continue but you've got to cite your sources. undothank Tag: Undo" I am not a geek so what is said here is gobbledygook. How can I get through this? EllisGN (talk) 05:52, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- That is a little rude. Those are very simple sentences so I don't know what you think you must be a "geek" to understand.
- I will rephrase. If it's only in your head, you can't add it. You need a source and if none exists you can't add this information. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 06:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @EllisGN You have already asked this above, and it has not been archived. Asking twice won't get a better answer. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 09:10, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Actually, @TheDowningStreetCat, the other place @EllisGN asked was on the Help Desk. Please don't ask the same question in different places, EllisGN. ColinFine (talk) 09:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @EllisGN You have already asked this above, and it has not been archived. Asking twice won't get a better answer. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 09:10, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Adding a new article
I'd like to add a biography of a media personality to the page 35.132.169.216 (talk) 03:25, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- honestly, they're really small and just starting out. After reading more of the info on here I don't think she would qualify. 35.132.169.216 (talk) 04:29, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Tell us who it is and why you think he/she deserves a wikipedia page. Bduke (talk)
- Bduke's "deserves" isn't wrong but might give the wrong impression. If your media personality is "really small", you may think that she's so perceptive/surprising/hilarious/whatever that she deserves far more subscribers to her Youtube channel (or whatever) than the paltry number that she currently gets, and that an article about her here might deservedly give her a leg up. But that's not how things work here. Wikipedia is fundamentally conservative: it permits articles about media personalities who are already noted (in reliable sources, and whether for their worth or for their lack of worth), not about those unknown to search engines. -- Hoary (talk) 05:28, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Request for assistance regarding William S. Harney entry, and/or clarification please.
Hello, thank you for your time. I updated a sort of misleading entry on "William S. Harney" with more background information and cited sources. It, the entry's previous introduction of sorts, was inarguably misleading/slanted, for example, leaving out any mention of Harney's complex relationship with the Native American's, even in passing, but implicitly mischaracterizing the situation as being overly one dimensional and negative in general. The first sentences in the previous version mentioned this individual's negative/slanderous "nick names" ~exclusively for example. I ~briefly elaborated upon this discussion regarding nick names. Another editor seemingly immediately came in and deleted all of my contribution to said page, and the references there associated, and simply explained said edit in such a way; "this doesn't belong in the first sentence...". I'm sort of ~newish here, so, my apologies if I am misunderstanding something, but is there some way to sort of way "appeal" these sorts of situations perhaps please? Thank you. Dscarbon333 (talk) 01:44, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for asking, Dscarbon333. Yes, for a problem concerning the article William S. Harney, start a discussion at the foot of Talk:William S. Harney. Don't address the other editor; instead, address editors in general. But be sure to mention and link to the editor who reverted your edit(s). (Supposing that the editor's name is "HarneyExpert", you might end your question with
(Pinging [[User:HarneyExpert|HarneyExpert]].)
.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:33, 29 July 2025 (UTC)- Okedokey, thank you my friend :). Dscarbon333 (talk) 06:49, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Cite book punctuation
- How to prevent the "cite book" template adding a full stop (period .) in |Title when the title of the book ends with a punctuation-mark (typically ?).
Any suggestions? Thank you. Protalina (talk) 10:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Protalina. I don't think there is a way to do this. The easiest is probably just not using the template, but creating the citation text directly (between the <ref> and </ref>).
- You could request it be added at Template talk:cite book, but whether anybody will be willing to implement it, I don't know. It would presumably need a new parameter. ColinFine (talk) 11:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, @ColinFine: I'll cite the text directly, and also follow up with a template change request, noting that it's a general issue for all templates with a title parameter. Protalina (talk) 08:19, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- There was, apparently, agreement that this should be fixed... in 2013! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:48, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Noted! Will diplomatically draw attention to this. Protalina (talk) 08:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Editing the article Major film studios
Can someone please take a look at Talk:Major film studios#Secondary studios? There is a discussion about the term "secondary studios", used in this article. Thank you in advance. 2A02:1812:41D:B800:4CB5:74DA:D4CF:604F (talk) 13:15, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- This page isn't really for soliciting participants for a discussion. 331dot (talk) 13:23, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Can you please show me the correct page for this? 2A02:1812:41D:B800:4CB5:74DA:D4CF:604F (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- In this case, asking for input at WP:WikiProject Film or WP:Third opinion would be good options. Ca talk to me! 14:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Can you please show me the correct page for this? 2A02:1812:41D:B800:4CB5:74DA:D4CF:604F (talk) 13:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
hello
I came here every day for same information and to improve my english by reading articles. Thanks You edditors for your work. Love You 85.14.116.174 (talk) 08:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you IP editor. ColinFine (talk) 09:36, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Am I being a nuisance on Wikipedia
Hi, I am Lutitium, I am new on Wikipedia, I feel like I have been a bit of a nuisance on Wikipedia. I feel like I have been a bit annoying lately, although I want to contribute to Wikipedia, I have made several mistakes. I made a draft for an article titled,"a brief overview of hanging" and submitted it twice; it being rejected both times, I also made one more article which is currently under discussion for deletion, tiled,"is women empowerment still relevant", one of my edits got reverted for copyright violations, and then was restored, but it did take a chunk of time from User Sphilrock, I accidentally reverted a good page curation twice and all this is making me feel like i am being annoying to the Wkipedia community, so am I, or am I overthinking it. Lutitium (talk) 15:16, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest you start like you would with most things - learn the ropes by making small changes. Fix typos, find and add citations, make updates (sports results, record releases, etc.) and so on.
- Accidents are not a problem, so long as you learn from them. And ask for help when you need it. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:26, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Can I suggest that you ask yourself if you are learning by your mistakes and understand the reasoning? There isn't an editor on the project that hasn't made a mistake, longevity in editing comes from learning and understanding.
- You may want to take things steady for a while, copy editing is a great way to learn about Wikipedia policy and guidance.
- You might also want to look for a project that you are interested in? Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory might provide you with the various projects you could get involved with.
- Lastly, I would stay away from contentious topics for now. Knitsey (talk) 15:30, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Lutitium, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia.
- Those two titles you mention above are instantly not appropriate for Wikipedia articles. A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several reliable independent sources say about a subject, and little else. It should not advance any kind of argument or conclusions (except where it is reporting the argument or conclusions contained within a single reliable source, which it cites). Thus an article should never present a question, as your second title did. And an article about "hanging" should be entitled hanging, as our existing article is - what would be the purpose of a brief overview of it, as a separate article?
- Please don't get disheartened. We all had to start somewhere. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for you advice! You said that as a new user, I should stay away from writing articles, so till what point? When should should I consider writing? Also is,"The greatest players in NES Tetris" a good topic? I was working on this article,"The greatest players in NES Tetris", so should I stop for a wile, or should I finish it? Lutitium (talk) 04:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- No, "The greatest players in NES Tetris" is not a good topic. "Greatest" is a subjective word. HiLo48 (talk) 04:51, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- So what should I change it to? Lutitium (talk) 04:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's not appropriate for Wikipedia so simply abandon the idea. As well as small editing tasks, you should read more pages so you can see what's appropriate. We don't write essays and opinions in the way you're trying. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 09:43, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- So what should I change it to? Lutitium (talk) 04:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- The vast majority of edits to Wikipedia are not creating new articles, but improving existing articles. That might be through adding more detail or new information, fixing typos, finding and adding missing citations, adding images, improving spelling and grammar, removing promotional language, or many other such changes.
- To use an idiom: learn to walk before you run. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:04, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- No, "The greatest players in NES Tetris" is not a good topic. "Greatest" is a subjective word. HiLo48 (talk) 04:51, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, thanks for you advice! You said that as a new user, I should stay away from writing articles, so till what point? When should should I consider writing? Also is,"The greatest players in NES Tetris" a good topic? I was working on this article,"The greatest players in NES Tetris", so should I stop for a wile, or should I finish it? Lutitium (talk) 04:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Don't be too hard on yourself! Mistakes happen with everyone. The important thing is to learn from it. I would suggest taking things slow, and learning about Wikipedia's policies through that, before moving to big projects like article creation. Me, as well as others here, all appreciate you joining Wikipedia and trying to improve it, and hope you stay. Happy editing! EarthDude (wanna talk?) 16:42, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- I agree with the other authors that starting a little more slowly will help, but having said that, the fact that you are here at the Teahouse asking the question and you are *not* somewhere else edit-warring (or yelling/being yelled at) over those articles is an excellent sign.
- Please continue editing, and welcome to Wikipedia. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 16:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
Updating Caswell County Schools
Hello and hope all is well. Caswell County Schools is quite outdated and needs more current information there regarding demographics, budget, and leadership, among other aspects. Thank you for any assistance you can provide! Peabodyb (talk) 02:28, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Peabodyb. That article is unprotected and can be edited by anyone. Just write neutrally and provide references to reliable sources verifying the content that you add. Cullen328 (talk) 05:38, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks. I don't have that information. I'm asking for help on it. Thanks again Peabodyb (talk) 21:25, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
I don't understand this "feedback"
Dear Teahouse,
my draft got rejected, which is fair enough (Draft:Arjan Kozica).
But it got deleted without any really reason or feedback. All I can find is "WP:NACADEMIC likely not met. For reference see Google Scholar.", which does not really answer anything at all, especially "likely". And worst of all, it gives me zero idea how to fix/improve my draft. - I had asked the reviewer for more information but got only silence. Can you help me here? PedroTheHamster (talk) 06:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Addendum: if it were to refer to the h-index, which as I understand it is not the correct review practice unless it's given as reason for notability, then I don't understand either, as the h-index at 13@5y should be absolutely alright.. PedroTheHamster (talk) 07:07, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Neither deleted nor rejected, PedroTheHamster. Instead, declined. You're free to improve and resubmit. What's the problem with WP:NACADEMIC? (You don't understand part of it; and if so, which part? You believe that Kozic does satisfy it? Something else?) -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Caleb Stanford: Pinging the article reviewer. Quite possibly they did not notice PedroTheHamster's question on their (Pedro's) talk page. Meters (talk) 07:48, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply! I was unaware that there is a difference between declined and rejected – that is critical to know! Thank you.
- And yes, I am currently researching and writing myself in the field that he studies in and found him notable enough to go through the trouble of making an article. I thought WP:NACADEMIC was met… So, I would love to understand and make it suitable. :) PedroTheHamster (talk) 08:15, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @PedroTheHamster WP:NACADEMIC lists eight specific criteria. Which of these do you think he meets and what is the evidence? Assessing notability for academics can be tricky as little tends to be written about them independently. Mike Turnbull (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @PedroTheHamster: I won't see replies unless you ping me with {{ping|Caleb Stanford}} Please see Mike's question above, this is the best route forward! Regarding: "it gives me zero idea how to fix/improve my draft" - partly this is because the first question is not how to improve the draft, but whether the topic merits an article at all. The criteria for inclusion on Wikipedia are really quite selective, even someone who might be notable in general terms might not have any reliable sources demonstrating that they are notable for inclusion in Wikipedia. So don't be too discouraged if it turns out the subject doesn't satisfy the criteria. Caleb Stanford (talk) 17:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, Mr. Stanford. I think, I understand now, and will work some more on specific and secondary notability. Thank you for the encouragement and have a lovely weekend. PedroTheHamster (talk) 19:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @PedroTheHamster: Your submission has been declined, not rejected. This means the article is not ready to become a Wikipedia article yet. Usually it's due to insufficient sourcing or bad editing (too short, too long, bad grammar etc.) Rejection would mean the page does not belong here (so it won't deserve publication no matter how we try to expand or beautify it), which usually results from lack of notability. --CiaPan (talk) 09:12, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dziekuje CiaPan, I will work on finding suitable sources to underline notability. :) PedroTheHamster (talk) 19:18, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Help for article
Hello! I asked for help at the Articles for Creation helpdesk, but the person who replied said he was no longer interested in the article. No other person is replying, presumably because the topic has become lost admist the others.
The article (Draft:Sanjib Bhattacharjee) has been rejected, however I wanted to reiterate that I have taken great care to ensure that it meets the notability guidelines.
Following changes, there are at least five independent, reliable sources that offer substantial coverage of Mr Bhattacharjee’s road safety work and recognition. I have also included other non-English sources not listed below.
- Assam Tribune — one of India’s most respected papers, with in-depth biographical detail
- Intelligent Instructor — an industry-leading UK publication in the road safety sector
- Road Safety GB — a national body advising on government policy
- Waltham Forest Guardian — showing long-standing political and public activity
- The Pioneer — established in 1865, and widely regarded in Indian journalism, it published coverage of Mr Bhattacharjee on its World News page, noting his recognition and advocacy work. I referenced its founding year not to imply automatic reliability, but to offer context about its editorial legacy. I understand that age alone doesn't define reliability — and my aim was to spotlight the relevance and reputation of the source. The information in the article seems to be different and the date published is recent (17 July), whereas the others are in January. This implies a change and that he continues to contribute, and it is not from a press release, there are also different images (as there was previous concern it was just paraphrased from the Assam Tribune article, but this is not the case).
The Pioneer I have only just added, and demonstrates Mr Bhattacharjee's international relevance.
Assam Tribune, Road Safety GB, Intelligent Instructor, DIA, and The AA — each independently highlight Mr Bhattacharjee’s role in road safety and confirm his status as the first person from London to receive a British Empire Medal (BEM) for driving instructor training. His presence at the King’s New Year Honours press conference was also noted by multiple outlets, underscoring both his national recognition and uniqueness in the field. In terms of the quotes, I didn't realise that small quotes from Bhattacharjee implies non-independence, as the rest of the information is not from him (as this was a concern previously, too)
If you think there are still specific areas that would benefit from stronger sourcing, I would be grateful for any examples or suggestions — and I remain fully committed to improving the draft with further reviewer input.
In earlier versions of the draft, I included citations from Metro (which featured Mr Bhattacharjee’s motoring advice) and NHS volunteer pages on LinkedIn referencing his community service. These were added in good faith because they reflected real-world impact and verifiable roles. However, based on helpful guidance from another reviewer, I removed them — understanding that Wikipedia prioritises sources with strong editorial control, independence, and reputational reliability.
Regarding Gati Dainik, a Bengali-language newspaper, I want to clarify that while its coverage included Mr Bhattacharjee’s place of birth, student election victories, and early college leadership, I deliberately chose not to include those details in the draft. My reason was that I could not find corroborating independent sources, and I wanted to avoid synthesis or reliance on non-English sources without appropriate translation. If such non-English material can be included with proper citation and context, I'm happy to revisit it with care.
Please find the auto-translated article below to see the information given:
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Headline: Shreebhumi’s Sanjib Bhattacharjee to Receive British Honour Sanjib Bhattacharjee, originally from Shreebhumi in Karimganj district, has been selected to receive the British Empire Medal (BEM) in recognition of his long-standing contributions to public service and road safety in the United Kingdom. His name was announced in the King’s New Year Honours list, and he becomes the first person from London working in the field of driving instructor training and mentoring to receive this honour. Born and raised in Shreebhumi, Sanjib was active in student leadership during his education. At Karimganj College, he was elected General Secretary and later Vice President of the student union. He continued his involvement in civic life at Gauhati University, demonstrating early commitment to social engagement. Since 1989, Sanjib has been involved in volunteer and community service activities in both India and the UK. His work has focused on road safety awareness, mentoring driving instructors, and emergency volunteering, including responses to natural disasters and public health campaigns. His recognition has brought pride to the people of Karimganj and Assam. In the UK, Mr Bhattacharjee serves as a Trainer and Mentor for driving instructors with two of Britain’s leading motoring organisations: the British School of Motoring (BSM) and the AA. He has held positions within the Labour Party, including President of the party’s local division. He switched to the Conservative party thereafter, receiving personal recognition from then Prime Minister David Cameron. |
As for the Intelligent Instructor article, Paul Caddick’s name appeared on the page when the source was first automatically uploaded (rather than manually), which is why I attributed it to him. If that’s unclear or misleading, I’ll revise it immediately — my intent has always been to ensure transparency and accuracy.
I truly want to get this right and am fully open to further constructive advice. If there are remaining areas that need stronger sourcing or improved context, I would be grateful for any examples or direction. I remain committed to learning through collaboration and improving the article in line with Wikipedia’s standards.
Thank you! Flyhigh223! (talk) 09:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- The last reviewer rejected the draft, that typically is the end of the line for a draft; you have already spoke with the rejecting reviewer and they don't think the subject is notable; you need to first ask them to reconsider or otherwise allow you to resubmit the draft. 331dot (talk) 09:37, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- As per other reviewers comments the subject does not pass WP:NPOLITICIAN, in addition Google drive is not a reliable source and photographs are not reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 09:43, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Google Drive isn't a source at all - it's a file hosting service. Reliable sources saved on Google Drive are reliable, but are quite likely to be copyright violations. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Cordless Larry@Theroadislong @331dot I have just changed the Google drive link to a direct link to the newspaper, hope that's okay! I'm not sure which is a photograph - if you are referring to the Assam Tribune (https://epaper.assamtribune.com/clip-preview/57961t8prCfRGhRFMS1p9PVGxT1uIeVhkcpuO7428814), this is a e-paper clipping found on the Assam Tribune itself. The link to the specific paper is https://epaper.assamtribune.com/full-page-pdf/epaper/pdf/2025/04/05/the-assam-tribune/6800, but this requires a paid subscription.
- As for notability, I am submitting for WP:ANYBIO, not as a politician.
- Thanks!! Flyhigh223! (talk) 19:23, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Google Drive isn't a source at all - it's a file hosting service. Reliable sources saved on Google Drive are reliable, but are quite likely to be copyright violations. Cordless Larry (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Draft declined - reasons not specific
Hello, we are having our draft declined without specific reasons provided. One reviewed wanted more summaries and less quotes. The next didn't want summaries and more quotes. Feel like we are going back and forward on purely how individuals want to see our third party verified citations referenced and described. Is there any higher power here who can provide some sensible judgement? Literarywolf2025 (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Literarywolf2025 You didn't say - but I assume you are talking about Draft:Folly Journal ? - Could you also explain who "We" are, and do I assume you have a WP:Conflict of interest, and, more specifically, do you work for Folly Journal? - Arjayay (talk) 21:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Literarywolf2025 Did you use an AI chatbot like ChatGPT or Claude or Copilot to write this draft? It has the hallmarks of being written by AI. Please very carefully read Wikipedia:Large language models. There is no way it can be accepted in its current state with the AI-generated prose still present.
- As you are employed by the journal it is mandatory you declare this by following Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, otherwise your account will be blocked. qcne (talk) 21:24, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- We are volunteers. Happy to disclose - there's nothing to hide here. We just thought it would be a good idea to create a page that pulls most of our media mentions and reviews together. All information is correct and verified. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:03, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Draft:Folly Journal has two "decline" notices. I don't see any mention of quotations in either. Both say of the creation of drafts that "The best way is usually to read reliable sources and summarize them, instead of using a large language model." Strangely, this seems to suggest that using an LLM is on occasion better than reading reliable sources, etc.; this bizarre suggestion aside, how does the one notice contradict the other? ¶ I was struck by International submission platform Chill Subs included Folly in its July 2025 list of journals all the cool kids are submitting their work to. Wondering what (if anything) this meant, I clicked on the reference ("Retrieved 2025-07-24"), but was told "Sorry, this page isn't available. The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed." -- Hoary (talk) 21:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Likely a hallucinated reference. The advice about quotes is on their Talk Page. qcne (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Qcne: The only occurrence of the word "quote" on User talk:Literarywolf2025 is from Literarywolf themselves. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Where is this? We haven only quoted from third party sources. Thanks for your help. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am asking qcne what he is referring to, because I cannot find any
advice about quotes
on your talk page. jlwoodwa (talk) 00:11, 27 July 2025 (UTC)- Yes we aren't sure what this is in relation to either. It's all becoming a bit complicated. We thought it would just be a quick sensible thing to do to get a lot of our third party references in one fact based place, but the gatekeeping or accusations of fake content are rather frustrating. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:19, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am asking qcne what he is referring to, because I cannot find any
- Where is this? We haven only quoted from third party sources. Thanks for your help. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:08, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's not hallucination. All true references to media sources. We can fix the broken link (last we checked this was working!). We are volunteers, just looking to get fact based compilation together ahead of the Frankfurt Book Fair. There are no hallucinations here. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:02, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Of the thirteen sources cited in the draft's first revision, seven of them (more than half!) are dead links. This, together with AI tells like Markdown formatting, makes me quite confident that these are AI hallucinations. It's alright if you didn't know the issues with using AI on Wikipedia at the time, but now that you've been informed, please stop insisting that everything is "true" and "correct" and "verified". jlwoodwa (talk) 00:23, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not hallucinated. link fixed. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:20, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Qcne: The only occurrence of the word "quote" on User talk:Literarywolf2025 is from Literarywolf themselves. jlwoodwa (talk) 23:17, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes this is why we changed quotes to 'summaries'. But then the next person said it was essay form (it wasn't, it was a summary of the quote), so we moved it back to direct quotes. Not quite sure what more we can do. Appreciate advice. We used AI to help us to format everything according to these Wiki instructions, because it appeared quite technical and we are publishers not coders: Wikipedia:Citing sources - Simple English Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
- However all the references are correct and our editing team have proofed the entry. Literarywolf2025 (talk) 00:07, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Likely a hallucinated reference. The advice about quotes is on their Talk Page. qcne (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Literarywolf2025, above, at 00:02, "we are volunteers"; at 00:07, "we are publishers". Are you perhaps unpaid interns for Folly Journal? ¶ The link works. "Chillsubs_official" says "We asked you where the cool kids are submitting these days and here’s what you said"; and it puts Folly Journal as one among 22 you-saids that make up "part 1". (I haven't investigated "part 2".) ¶ A few seconds ago, I googled for "folly journal" and Google dished me up a list that started with https://www.follyjournal.com/. Search engine bubbles differ, of course; but I imagine that follyjournal.com will be at or near the top of most. The pages of that website can of course be edited to say whatever you at the Journal want them to say, and as quickly as you wish. I wonder why you're so keen to also have an entry in Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 00:40, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have softblocked Literarywolf2025 since all indications are that this account is being used by two or more people contrary to policy. Irresponsible use of AI/LLMs is an aggravating factor. Cullen328 (talk) 05:36, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
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Garga Chatterjee Dr. Garga Chatterjee is a Kolkata‑based political commentator, linguistic activist, and academic associated with the Indian Statistical Institute. He is the founder of the Bengali advocacy group Bangla Pokkho.
Early life and education Born in Kolkata into a Bengali family, Chatterjee earned his MBBS from Medical College, University of Calcutta, reportedly in the early 2000s. He then obtained a PhD in Cognition, Brain and Behavior from Harvard University (Science Vision Lab under Prof. Ken Nakayama), followed by post‑doctoral training at MIT’s Department of Brain and Cognitive Sciences under Prof. Pawan Sinha (2011–2014) .
Academic and professional career Chatterjee became a faculty member at the Indian Statistical Institute (ISI) in Kolkata in 2015, teaching and writing on spatial cognition and perception, while contributing regular opinion pieces and columns to Bengali newspapers and online platforms .
Activism and public commentary He founded Bangla Pokkho, a group focused on linguistic rights and Bengali identity politics in West Bengal. Chatterjee has appeared frequently in media debates, advocating against Hindi imposition and highlighting Bengali cultural autonomy .
Controversies Remarks on Ahom dynasty In June 2020, Chatterjee referred to Swargadeo Chaolung Sukapha—the founder of the Ahom kingdom—as a “Chinese invader” in a series of tweets. The statements triggered widespread outrage in Assam and resulted in multiple FIRs filed across districts. Assam’s Chief Minister Sarbananda Sonowal ordered his arrest, and the Gauhati High Court directed Kolkata Police to apprehend him . Garga Chatterjee publicly issued an unconditional apology for the remarks on social media and in a video message, expressing regret to the Tai Ahom community and the Assam Chief Minister. He also offered to remove posts that might have hurt sentiments and cited personal family health challenges as part of his apology . In August 2022, Chatterjee was arrested in Kolkata under Assam’s warrant. He was released on transit bail and required to appear in Guwahati court subsequently .
--- Public perception Opinions about Chatterjee are deeply polarized: From Reddit commentary: > “He is a rabble‑rousing goon.” “He is firebrand leader of the future.”
Other users describe him as reminiscent of regional ethno‑linguistic activists: > “He is nothing more than bangla Raj Thakrey or Bajrang Dal.”
On broader sentiment politics: > “Talking points that would be perfect for Donald Trump… ‘this is my land you are an unwelcome guest here’ … the main guy behind this seemed to be Garga Chatterjee.”
Selected public remarks At India Today Conclave East 2018, Chatterjee commented on communal violence in West Bengal: > “Only one party benefits from riots in India—and that party is BJP… Bengal should remember its mother has two legs, not four; BJP should remember its mother has no arms, while ours has ten.”
See also Bangla Pokkho Linguistic politics in West Bengal
--- References 1. 3504-1Bengal Institute profile and early career details
Notes on verifiability This draft relies solely on published news reports from reliable outlets (India Today, NewsMill, Inside Northeast, The Sentinel) and institutional profiles. Public sentiment quotes are from Reddit users and are clearly marked as opinions. No original research or unsourced claims have been included. |
2409:40E1:100E:ED22:8000:0:0:0 (talk) 22:32, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- What is your question? -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you're saying "There should be an article on Garga Chatterjee; here's my draft for one", then copy what you've written, click on Draft:Garga Chatterjee, paste it in, and click on "Publish". Then start on the considerable task of making this draft comply with Wikipedia standards. That done (to the best of your knowledge and ability), submit it for consideration for promotion to article status. -- Hoary (talk) 23:19, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user. A Wikipedia article should be a neutral summary of what several people unconnected with the subject have independent chosen to publish about the subject in reliable publications, and very little else.
- It follows that the way to successfully write an article begins with finding several sources that meet all the criteria in WP:42, and (if several can be found), continues with writing a neutral summary of what those sources say.
- Since what you have written above does not usefully cite any sources, it is not acceptable at present. Of the sources you list, 2 and 5 are not reliable sources and are almost never acceptable in a Wikipedia article; and 1 is almost certainly not independent, and so is of very limited usefulness. I can't speak to the other two without seeing them. But even if they are indeed reliable, independent, and substantial, two sources are not usually enough to establish notability.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Regarding Draft
Draft: Kashmir Super League Can anyone analyse this draft, it is related to a professional football league in india. covered well by independent sources. Guy from Kashmir (talk) 05:31, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Guy from Kashmir, you created it, you submitted it for review. Now all you need do is await the review. -- Hoary (talk) 06:08, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Moving a page from draft to user space
I have a biography page in Drafts (Draft:Sajida Haider Vandal) which is due for deletion. I would like to improve it but don't have time right now. Is it possible to move it back into my user space, and if so how? (if someone could do it for me even better but that may be asking too much!) Marinheiro (talk) Marinheiro (talk) 09:46, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Marinheiro The whole url is not needed when linking to another page on Wikipedia, I fixed this.
- I don't see any deletion notices on your draft. A draft may remain so, it doesn't need to be in your user space, and it remains active as long as it is edited at least once every six months. 331dot (talk) 10:02, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Marinheiro was told at User talk:Marinheiro#Concern regarding Draft:Sajida Haider Vandal that five months have passed and it may be deleted after six. Any edit to the draft page would restart another six months but I have moved it to User:Marinheiro/Sajida Haider Vandal. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:20, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Being an active contributer
How do I start actively contributing to Wikipedia? And how to write essays related to Wikipedia? RedGrape16 (talk) 20:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Welcome to Wikipedia, RedGrape16. You might start contributing by reading and digesting this and the pages to which it leads. Only a tiny minority of contributors to Wikipedia contribute essays related to it. In order for these essays to be any good, the writer must of course be very knowledgable about Wikipedia. Please wait till you have made a few thousand constructive edits to Wikipedia before you think of writing an essay about Wikipedia for Wikipedia. -- Hoary (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @RedGrape16, Welcome to Wikipedia and I hope you enjoy your stay.
- I can't recommend this strongly enough, but I would suggest you start off small. Try some copy editing. Take some time getting used to editing and Wikipedia policies.
- Have a look at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Directory to see if anything there interests you.
- Forget essays for now. They will come later. Good luck. Knitsey (talk) 20:53, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Hoary @Knitsey Thank you for this, I will check out these links. RedGrape16 (talk) 21:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
will my page get flagged for deletion?
i am currently creating a page for the deathcore band Footage of a Yeti... I have a pretty decent draft in sandbox and just wondering if someone could help me make sure its good to go and wont get flagged for deletion...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Deathcorefan90/sandbox Deathcorefan90 (talk) 02:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- There's no obvious reason for deletion, Deathcorefan90. Submit it. It will be accepted or declined. (If it's declined, you can improve it and submit the result.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- thank you! Deathcorefan90 (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- If the band never signed to a label, I am curious, can you identify any criterion besides the first in WP:BAND that this band meets? ~Anachronist (talk) 05:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Steven Sanchez, drummer from 2016-17, played in The Last 10 seconds of Life and currently plays in Angelmaker... Both highly notable musical acts within the genre.... Besides that and the multiple write ups from notable sources i think that would be all that qualifies ... Hopefully it can get thru because i believe it deserves to be on wikipedia. I do understand the question though... Appreciate you and any help i can get to get it approved. Deathcorefan90 (talk) 00:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am in the process of citing this information now because i forgot! Deathcorefan90 (talk) 00:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Steven Sanchez, drummer from 2016-17, played in The Last 10 seconds of Life and currently plays in Angelmaker... Both highly notable musical acts within the genre.... Besides that and the multiple write ups from notable sources i think that would be all that qualifies ... Hopefully it can get thru because i believe it deserves to be on wikipedia. I do understand the question though... Appreciate you and any help i can get to get it approved. Deathcorefan90 (talk) 00:16, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- If the band never signed to a label, I am curious, can you identify any criterion besides the first in WP:BAND that this band meets? ~Anachronist (talk) 05:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- thank you! Deathcorefan90 (talk) 03:36, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Article declined
My article on one of Ukraines most reknown artist has just been declined and I just need to understand why? On the comment it sounds like he as subject does not qualifie for a Wikipedia article and I really don't understand why not.
User:JogannaFM/sandbox. JogannaFM (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- The message left on your draft does not say "he as subject does not qualify for a Wikipedia article "; it says that "references do not show that the subject qualifies"; in other words, more needs to be done to demonstrate that the subject qualifies.
- You need to add more independent, reliable sources that demonstrate notability, and that meet all of the requirements at WP:GOLDENRULE.
- I also note that you have some statements that are completely uncited. This is not allowed for articles about living people.
- Finally your citations use bare URLs, which, while not forbidden, is bad practice; please see WP:referencing for beginners for tips on how to fix that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your clear answer, I needed more clear feed back. I'll continue to work on the references,
- Best Regard JogannaFM (talk) 17:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
article i wrote subject to deletion
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Tamir Kobrin, is an author of The Farang, The Gora and the Gwai Lo, https://www.amazon.com/Farang-Gora-Gwai-Lo-Hoteliers/dp/1728342597, a world reputed Swiss educated luxury hotelier and founder of The TK Collection. In his first (2015) and second edition (2020) published books, https://www.ahoteliersjourney.com/, Tamir Kobrin, an internationally well-traveled hotelier who has lived and worked in over twelve countries and five continents, shares his experiences of living and working in foreign countries as an expat, managing people of diverse cultural backgrounds. His experiences of leadership and managing luxury hotels, as well as the sights and sounds of the destinations, the cuisine, and the experiences that depict a sense of place and time to enable the reader the insight into what it takes to travel and work in foreign destinations. Leading hotels and luxury brands through South East Asia, the Sub Continent, Europe, Middle East and the Americas, his achievements and leadership propelled many of the hotels and resorts under his leadership to rank amongst the very best in the world, gaining awards and recognition. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEEh7qKE350. These achievements propelled the establishment of The TK Collection in 2018, https://www.thetkcollection.com/, luxury residences around the world for the discerning clientele that have been following him. From his native Portugal, https://caras.pt/famosos/2017-08-15-recem-chegados-a-portugal-tamir-e-kathrine-kobrin-ja-se-sentem-em-casa/#&gid=0&pid=1, to India and beyond, greeting head of states, https://itn.co.il/news/hotels/a-presidential-hug-at-the-king-david-hotel/, and launching new luxury brands, https://www.pressreader.com/india/travtalk-india/20161030/282806420896671?srsltid=AfmBOooHkVFPSoucLQaxacnwS7hZo7M9cvpXaecZdFrV029qzo_8DTlb. |
Tamir Kobrin (talk) 18:52, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- This refers to your user page, not an article, which was deleted as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- Tamir Kobrin, self promotion is forbidden on Wikipedia. Please do not try that again. The purpose of your user page is to tell other editors about you as a Wikipedia editor, such as listing the encyclopedia articles that you have written or expanded. Cullen328 (talk) 05:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Deleted work
In 2021 I started a page dedicated to Smooth Jazz Saxophonist Rock Hendricks. After months of attempts to correct actions keeping my work from being published I gave up. Am I just stuck? I find numerous artists Rock has collaborated with including Paul Hardcastle, Bobby Womack and Cold Play who list him as a contributing artist but I never was able to make progress. I LIKED trying and read as much as I could including using the TEA House to try and cure my article difficineies but I see it was deleted and I assume there is no restoring it to try and complete it now. Or is there? Please help Metoliusmark (talk) 21:35, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Metoliusmark Welcome to the Teahouse. As the message at the foot of your talk page says, drafts that are not edited for a period of 6 months are automatically deleted. However they can be recovered if you want to work on them again because there are now more/better sources. See WP:REFUND. Mike Turnbull (talk) 21:49, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Metoliusmark WP:BACKWARD may be of help to you. If you don't have any WP:GNG-good sources about him, an article will not be accepted. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:22, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Long Dark 2 Draft Declined
I recently submitted a draft for Blackfrost: The Long Dark 2 (right here), and it unfortunately didn't make the cut on account of a lack of in-depth, reliable, and independent references. For upcoming games (and just games in general), what would be some better sources, or sources to avoid? I think this article is important to start for when the game does release in full, so any help is appreciated on how to make it worthy of an article.
Thanks!
Redfruit33 (talk) 06:02, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Redfruit33. Please read Wikipedia:Too soon. Continue working on your draft until sufficient new reliable independent sources have been published and cited in your draft as required to establish notability. Cullen328 (talk) 06:06, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Redfruit33: "upcoming" is basically just alternative spelling for "not yet notable in Wikipedia terms". If something is new to the market, or isn't even in the market yet, it is highly unlikely to have received significant coverage in multiple sources that are independent of it. We mostly summarise such coverage, therefore if the coverage doesn't (yet) exist, we can't summarise it, and can't therefore create an article. Wikipedia is never the first to report on new things; we don't lead, in that sense, we only ever follow others. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:25, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Double! Thanks, that's actually a really good explanation. And when more information does come out, say in developer diaries (not uncommon for Hinterland) would those be good on their own as sources, or should I wait for game journal pages/newsletters (IGN, PC Gamer, etc.) to do their coverage first? Just curious, and again, thank you!
- Redfruit33 (talk) 06:32, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Another term to watch for is "up and coming", intended to be synonymous with "trending", neither of which indicate notability. This term occurs mostly in articles about bands, in my observation. To be notable on Wikipedia, you can't be up-and-coming, you must have already arrived.
- As do your question, I'd say developer diaries aren't useful for establishing notability because they aren't independent sources. See WP:Golden Rule for a good summary of what kind of sources are needed. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Strange email
I recieved an email that appeared to be from wiki@wikimedia.org that claimed a message was left on my talk page, by user "AmmarBot" on the page "Barka da zuwa!". I have never been to that page.
The message in the email did not make sense to me. It appears to be in a different language. This concerned me a little so I decided to investigate. I did not click any links in the email. I came to wikipedia.org by typing the URL into my browser. On arrival, I had to log in to my account. I have preferences set to only require logging in once a year, unless I clear my browser cookies and data. I did clear some of my browsing data today, so that may be the cause. I rarely clear anything for wikimedia sites but I might have, by accident. My saved username and password could not be autofilled via my browser. It appears to be a change in the way login works with Wikipedia, from what I gathered, but this made me a little more concerned.
Once I managed to log in, I saw I had a notification. I clicked the notification and it took me to a page in another language. It was the message the email referred to, I believe. I left the page after copying a small portion, hoping to translate it to english. The translate I used had no results. I tried to go back to copy more of the message and the notification disappeared. I have the email still but I cannot find that notification that took me to the other language page. I can't retrace my steps and do not want to click anything in the email to be safe. This has me much more concerned.
I do not get notifications often however, so perhaps I merely am looking in the wrong place. This might be an innocent misunderstanding. However, I am sufficiently worried that I may have fallen for a phishing email or ___domain homograph trick or something similarly malevolent. I have never recieved a message via wikimedia in another language before. I only speak English and bad English. I did visit several conlang pages yesterday and perhaps misclicked something without realizing it. I also had a guest who may have done something (highly unlikely) while I was occupied elsewhere.
I plan on changing my password. Out of an abundance of caution, I am avoiding doing anything further online. Any advice for me? Something to allay my concerns? Lattrommi (talk) 08:58, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- ". . . claimed a message was left on my talk page, by user "AmmarBot" on the page 'Barka da zuwa!'" I'm lost already. I mean, left on your page, or left on the page "Barka da zuwa!"? (Or both?) Anyway, "Barka da zuwa!" appears to be Hausa for "Welcome!" Guess: you accidentally made your first ever visit to Hausa Wikipedia, and Hausa Wikipedia is programmed to send a cheery Barka da zuwa! message to any username who's making their first visit (and who has supplied an email address). (I'd test this guess myself, if I weren't pretty certain I've visited Hausa Wikipedia already.) -- Hoary (talk) 09:14, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Lattrommi: I understand your concern but there is nothing to be worried about. Each Wikipedia language has its own logs. A local account is automatically created if you visit any page while you are already logged in at another language. Special:CentralAuth/Lattrommi shows your account was created at ha.wikipedia.org yesterday. You got a welcome message in the Hausa language at ha:Tattaunawar user:Lattrommi which is your user talk page there. I have a proposal at meta:Welcoming policy to disallow such welcome messages to users with no edits. It's discussed at meta:Requests for comment/Welcoming policy. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:50, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, a welcome message explains it well. I am currently reading that proposal and see my situation described much more succintly. Can never be too careful these days, thanks again! Lattrommi (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Lattrommi: Regarding the disappearing notification, if a notification is about something at another wiki then it disappears after clicking it. You should still be able to see it at the other wiki ha: if you click the notification icon there. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:22, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you, a welcome message explains it well. I am currently reading that proposal and see my situation described much more succintly. Can never be too careful these days, thanks again! Lattrommi (talk) 10:10, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
How to delete pages
I just created a pages that I think it’s don’t need now,how can I delete it QuanChanUwU (talk) 10:03, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, it is quite simple, the easiest way is to put a CSD/Speedy Deletion template at the top the page.
- Note:This will only work in the source editor. To switch editors look at the image below.
- Hope this helps. Happy Editing! Cooldudeseven7 talk/contribs 10:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! QuanChanUwU (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- No problem! Cooldudeseven7 talk/contribs 10:37, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much! QuanChanUwU (talk) 10:30, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Status of Draft Article
- Inquiry Regarding Publication Status of Draft Article
Dear Wikipedia Editorial Team,
Greetings of day !!
I recently submitted an article titled "Samrat Rahi" as a draft for review (Draft:Samrat Rahi). I noticed that the article has not yet been published, and I am seeking guidance on understanding its current review status. Could you please let me know if there are any specific criteria or areas within the draft that require revision or further elaboration? Any insights or feedback on how I can improve this article to meet Wikipedia’s publication standards would be greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for your assistance. I look forward to your valuable guidance. 115.246.137.102 (talk) 09:43, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- You have not actually submitted the draft, as you lacked the information needed to do so(I think you accidentally removed it). I have readded the information so you can actually submit the draft for a review. 331dot (talk) 09:46, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have prepared a draft article titled Samrat Rahi and would like to submit it for review and possible publication on Wikipedia.
- However, I am a bit confused about the correct process to officially submit this draft. Could someone kindly guide me on:
- How do I submit this draft for review?
- Are there any specific issues with the article that I should address before submission?
- What criteria must be fulfilled to meet Wikipedia’s publishing standards?
- I truly appreciate your support and am eager to learn and improve this article as needed.
- Thank you in advance for your kind guidance 115.246.137.102 (talk) 09:51, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- On the draft you should now see a blue "Submit your draft for review!" button, click this. The reviewer will examine the draft and leave feedback if it is not accepted. A draft must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the topic, showing how it is notable in a Wikipedia sense, such as a notable person. 331dot (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Iamamanjha Your draft would be immediately declined if you were to submit it in its current state as it does not conform to the policy for biographies of living people, in that many facts have not been backed up by inline citations. Another editor thinks that you used a large language model to write the draft. Did you do that? Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:59, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am afraid I have rejected this draft, as you have not proven any indication this person meets Wikipedia:Notability (people). qcne (talk) 10:39, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Questions about book sources
Hi, I've recently come into possession of 2 book sources which are no longer in publication on some niche topics that have Wikipedia articles that I wish to expand. However, both cases come with a unique set of issues I have been unable to identify from just reading Wikipedia policies:
Book 1: What are Wikipedia policies on the use of autobiographies of deceased persons on their own article?
Book 2: What are Wikipedia's policies on the use of self-published sources created by a business (in this case, a book) particularly as it pertains to related deceased persons and events spanning back to the early 1900s? UppercutPawnch (talk) 13:21, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- Book 1: An autobiography can be used as a source of facts, although those facts may need to be properly attributed (e.g., "In his autobiography, Mr. Fakename claimed to have been born at the summit of Mount Everest" rather than "Mr. Fakename was born at the summit of Mount Everest"). An autobiography cannot be used as a source of notability.
- Book 2: You'll have to be more specific. DS (talk) 14:20, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Carol Ann Ford in Columbo
Hi! I was watching Columbo Season 2 Episode 4, “Dagger of the Mind”, when I noticed Carol Ann Ford appearing as an incidental at 58:27. This appearance isn’t listed on her Filmography, so I wanted to add it. However I don’t have much experience editing a wiki, so I’m not sure how to cite that as a source. Could anyone walk me through it? Jetstream Jackie (talk) 17:32, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Jetstream Jackie You will need to find a reliable published source (e.g. not IMDb) that credits her as being in that episode. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, not original research. Shantavira|feed me 18:57, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
- There are a couple of options open to you. You could try to get a reliable TV website to write about this; and you can ask on the talk pages of the article and relevant projects, in the hope that someone else might know of a suitable source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:09, 26 July 2025 (UTC)
Internet Screamer: More Examples?
The aforementioned article turned redirected section on the jumpscare article has only one actual example of an Internet screamer, this being the infamous Scary Maze Game. However, more screamers exist on the Internet. Such as:
Ghost caught on Tape (2006)
Little Dancing Girl (2008)
Nightmare Disk (1990)
File:NightMare Amiga scareware.png
and I could go on and on. Should we add other screamers to the section? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 01:07, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Normally I'd suggest that you should ask in Talk:Jump scare. But in view of the latest-and-lowermost thread there, I won't. So here's an alternative. Do not "go on and on". Choose a second "internet screamer", one that both (i) would complement the one already described and (ii) has been described or commented on in a reliable source. Add a mention of this second "screamer", judiciously, citing the source. Wait a couple of weeks and observe the reaction, if any. -- Hoary (talk) 01:37, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I DID try getting GCOT and LDG on the article before, but due to them having no source, it was reverted and resulted in, well. 199.192.122.199 (talk) 02:15, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you lack a reliable source for a proposed addition, don't make the addition. -- Hoary (talk) 02:29, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Fix multiple issues of Prakash_Tiwari shown on Heading
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- MountainWriter42, you appear to be demanding that other editors attend to these chores. You'd be better off inviting them to do it. And if it's an urgent matter (as you suggest it is), then explaining its urgency. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- this page may got deleted ! Help and add quotation for others editors for solve multiple issues. For page : Prakash_Tiwari . MountainWriter42 (talk) 11:33, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- The page will not be deleted on that basis. It's routine to have articles tagged for such issues. They require fixing, but it is no reason to panic. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Help to solve the multiple issues shown on top. Requested>> MountainWriter42 (talk) 11:48, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Because you should not be drafting articles in article space, I am helping you by moving it to draft space where you can work on it at your leisure. See Draft:Prakash Tiwari. It is not ready for publication. It lacks inline citations, and that needs to be fixes as soon as possible. ~Anachronist (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- It needs to be fixed for the article to be accepted, but there's no rush now that it's a draft. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Well, MountainWriter42 certainly rushed to submit it after it was draftified, and it was quickly declined because no improvements had been made. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:38, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- It needs to be fixed for the article to be accepted, but there's no rush now that it's a draft. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Because you should not be drafting articles in article space, I am helping you by moving it to draft space where you can work on it at your leisure. See Draft:Prakash Tiwari. It is not ready for publication. It lacks inline citations, and that needs to be fixes as soon as possible. ~Anachronist (talk) 12:07, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Help to solve the multiple issues shown on top. Requested>> MountainWriter42 (talk) 11:48, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- The page will not be deleted on that basis. It's routine to have articles tagged for such issues. They require fixing, but it is no reason to panic. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:45, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- this page may got deleted ! Help and add quotation for others editors for solve multiple issues. For page : Prakash_Tiwari . MountainWriter42 (talk) 11:33, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Page title edit
Hi there! i just created a new page here - AMPLE entertainment
But I should have capitalized Entertainment. Is there any way to fix that? I can’t seem to figure it out.
Please & thank you!
Jen Jjenred5 (talk) 17:05, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have moved the page to Draft:AMPLE Entertainment, because it is not clear that it qualifies for inclusion in Wikipedia. Please continue to work on it there, and when you are sure that it meets the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE, submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:50, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I gather from this company's website, that they're calling themselves AMPLE after their founders so it's Ari Mark & Phill Lott Entertainment but two of the three sources on that page call it "Ample Entertainment" (the other doesn't mention it). So going by WP:COMMONNAME, just capitalising the A and the E should be… sufficient. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 18:50, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
On the Wikipedia page
On the Wikipedia page “ List of US Senators from North Carolina I cannot find any mention of Senator Sam Ervin, Dem of North Carolina. Seems like this should be corrected. 69.36.216.98 (talk) 01:25, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- You’re newly new, right? :) 9aija (talk) 01:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- he's showing there for me. Did you try ctrl+f? 142.105.69.34 (talk) 03:45, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
GcMAF
Question for the Teahouse. Is the following acceptable for posting on the GcMAF page to update this page with an important missing fact? It's been so long since I posted that I have forgotten all the rules and need advice. I do not want to get into an edit war. Please let me know your analysis and if this is workable and can be pursued. Or is any or all of it unacceptable?
COMPLETED FDA REGISTERED PHASE 1 CLINICAL TRIAL IN ISRAEL
In May 2017 the Sheba Hospital in Israel successfully completed a cancer-related GcMAF (under the name EF-022) FDA registered Phase 1 Clinical Trial. Results for Part 1 of this trial were presented at the AACR-NCI-EORTC International Conference on Molecular Targets and Cancer Therapeutics, held November 5-9, 2015 in Boston, Massachusetts. In the Part 1, Phase 1 Clinical Trial GcMAF was found to have an acceptable safety profile and resulted in cancer related disease stabilization in 42% of trial patients. Pharmacodynamics markers suggest a reduction of Tregs and increase of the M1/M2 ratio.
https://mct.aacrjournals.org/content/14/12_Supplement_2/B30 https://clinicaltrials.gov/study/NCT02052492
As an aside, unrelated to my question (not postable), you may be interested in the study below that describes how GcMAF is thought to work in helping the immune system attack cancers. The immune system makes GcMAF, it appears, to turn the ZEB2 gene in macrophages OFF (epigenetically) when swallowed by TAMs to change their programming from pro-cancer to anti-cancer. The GcMAF page is mostly out of date with a negative slant when the science is becoming positive.
More information: ZEB2 is a Master Switch Controlling the Tumor-Associated Macrophage Program, Cancer Cell (2025). DOI: 10.1016/j.ccell.2025.03.021 PageMaster (talk) 02:34, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: GcMAF. Primary sources are not accepted in articles on medical topics. See WP:MEDRS. Maproom (talk) 06:53, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
This image is in the wrong spot.
Normally, I don’t talk about boats, but this image of the SS Charles sinking in 1931 is in the wrong section. It’s in the section on naval service when it should be in the actual section on the accident. 184.60.230.19 (talk) 03:43, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- I moved the image to the wreck section. But it only appears there if the screen is narrow, as it gets pushed down by the infobox. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Graeme Bartlett: For you; but it will appear different for other users - especially if they are on mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
I need help publishing our Company article
Hi! I’m trying to submit a well-sourced draft article about Seafarer Exploration, a publicly traded underwater archaeology company with multiple government permits, published discoveries, and proprietary technology. I’m running into technical/log-in issues and would appreciate help reviewing or submitting the draft. Seafarercorp (talk) 18:37, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- You might need to link to the draft. You have only this edit on the above account. Knitsey (talk) 18:39, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Which draft?
- Please see WP:PAID and WP:COI. When you have met their requirements, see WP:Your first article.
- Also, beware of scammers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- It was on their user page and promotional; soft blocked for their username. 331dot (talk) 18:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Advice on appropriate Creative Commons license for images of college campuses
Hello! I’m updating the Daytona State College article and would like to upload one image for each of the college’s seven campuses. The college owns the copyright to all seven photos and wants to make them available for non-commercial use – such as inclusion in Wikipedia articles – but would prefer to restrict commercial reuse unless prior permission is granted.
Many college articles seem to use the CC BY-SA 4.0 license, but my understanding is that it permits commercial reuse. We’re concerned that this could allow an unrelated business to use one of our campus images in a way that misrepresents the college or conflicts with its values.
My question is:
Is there a Creative Commons license option that would allow free use on Wikipedia and similar educational/non-commercial platforms, but restrict commercial reuse?
And if not, are there any accepted alternatives for contributing such images under fair use or a more limited license?
I’d appreciate any guidance you can offer. Thank you! DesertDingoRacing (talk) 15:05, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @DesertDingoRacing Commons does not accept the "NC" restriction. See Commons:Licensing. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- ... One thing you could ask the College about is whether they would allow low-resolution images that are of no use for commercial purposes to be uploaded. Note that the U.S. has freedom of panorama for buildings, so you could take your own photos! Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:17, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Mike, thank you for the advice. Per my User page (and for complete transparency) I work for Daytona State and am paid for my contributions to Wikipedia. Any photos I would take would be in my role as Communications Manager for the college. I have no intent to promote the college, only to improve the article's completeness and accuracy.
- Assuming we use low resolution versions of the seven images, is there a designation that allows fair use while restricting commercial use?
- Thank you all for your help and your patience with my questions. DesertDingoRacing (talk) 15:30, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is no "no commercial use" licence suitable for use on Wikipedia. At all. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:03, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Images can't be used under "fair use" in such circumstances. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:18, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @DesertDingoRacing: The point of Commons is to host media that is free to use for any purpose what-so-ever so long as any licence for that media is adhered to. Thus, any licence that restricts usage (such as the Non-commercial (NC) and No Derivative Works (ND) prongs of Creative Commons) is at odds with that philosophy. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 15:31, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'd like to thank everyone for their advice. We are going to opt for low resolution images and use the the CC BY-SA 4.0 license.
- I've learned a lot and appreciate all your help and patience. DesertDingoRacing (talk) 16:10, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Request for Help with moving an article
Hi everyone,
I’ve created a user subpage about Zahava Solomon (User:MrEksh/Zahava Solomon) and would like to have it moved or created as a main Wikipedia article.
Unfortunately, I’m currently blocked from moving pages myself. Could someone please help me understand the best waay to proceed or assist with moving the page?
I have included reliable sources and references, and I believe the toopic meets Wikipedia’s notability criteria.
Thanks so much for your help! MrEksh (talk) 10:59, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Welcome to the Teahouse, MrEksh. Large parts of the draft are unsourced, including BLP material, so I don't believe that it is suitable for mainspace. I suggest submitting the draft for review once you've ensured it's fully supported by sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 11:24, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please do persist with improving the article, as it looks as though the subject is a suitable one for Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:46, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have put a button at the top of your draft for you to submit it for review.
- A biography of a living person cannot have unsourced statements. See WP:BLP.
- There are minor formatting issues. Wikipedia doesn't use title case in headings; sentence case only (see MOS:HEADINGS). And there are some unusual large blank spaces between some paragraphs. ~Anachronist (talk) 12:00, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Article for a Travel Company I'm Involved With
Hello! I'm new to Wikipedia and I had a question about creating an article for a travel company. It’s a growing Indian travel platform that focuses on offbeat destinations, sustainable tourism, and local culture. It currently has a large audience on social media (over 300K followers across platforms) and has received coverage on several blogs and travel websites. I want to understand: Is it allowed to create a Wikipedia page for a brand or company you are associated with? What are the best practices to ensure it meets Wikipedia's notability and neutrality guidelines? Should I create the article draft myself, or would it be better to request help from an experienced editor? My main goal is to provide clear and reliable information for people who search for the brand online — not for promotion, but for public knowledge. I would really appreciate your guidance on how to proceed. Thank you! 223.181.42.157 (talk) 12:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello. We don't have articles "for" a company- that they own and can use to their benefit- we have articles about companies. They are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the topic, though it is permitted for someone with a conflict of interest to use the Articles for Creation process to create and submit a draft. Even this will be very challenging- you need to set aside your personal knowledge of the company, all materials it puts out(its website, interviews, press releases) and all reporting of routine business activities(like the commencement of operations or the raising of capital) and only summarize significant coverage- coverage that goes in depth as to what the source sees as important/significant/influential about the company, not what it sees as important about itself. You need to show that the company is a notable company as Wikipedia defines one.
- If you work for this company, the Terms of Use require that to be disclosed, see WP:PAID.
- The word "growing" is a strong indicator that it is too soon for an article about your company; anything that is "growing" or "rising" almost never merits an article. A topic must have already arrived and be established in its field to draw the significant coverage needed to support an article. Wikipedia is the last place to write about something, not the first- it does not lead the coverage, it follows it. 331dot (talk) 12:32, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Zita west
Are there any freelancers here that I can that can help me get my Wikipedia done? Zita west (talk) 13:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Welcome to The Teahouse, looking at your draft it appears that you don't currently meet the criteria at WP:GNG the only freelancers you are likely to find will be scammers. Theroadislong (talk) 13:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Many will contact you now. See WP:SCAM to avoid being scammed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Plot summary—book vs movie
Hi there, another editor recently wrote a somewhat detailed plot summary for Lychees of Chang'an, not realizing that the article is about the novel, not the film, which is what they used as their source. I have no idea how closely the film hews to the novel's storyline, but I feel like the summary that was compiled should be preserved. What's the best way to proceed, in this case? Thanks! Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2025 (UTC) Revirvlkodlaku (talk) 15:21, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Three options:
- If there is an article about the film (or if you are inclined to start one), move it there.
- Make a sub-section of the existing article, about the film, and include the summary there.
- Remove it (it will always be available in the history), and open a discussion on the article talk page; notify the editor concerned.
- -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Images
Hi there! I'm still quite new to Wikipedia, so I'm eager to learn. But I love the site and the community here! I love films, actors, TV, directors, theatre etc. I recently successfully uploaded an image of an actor/filmmaker on this page James Krishna Floyd. It was up for a few months, with no tags or issue, then suddenly taken down. The photograph has been approved for a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareALike by the photographer, Michael Shelford. Can you please show me where I have gone wrong? The photographer says he would like this photograph back up on said page.
All the best!
InfoMan InfoMan30 (talk) 16:30, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @InfoMan30: The photographer needs to follow the directions at WP:Donating copyrighted materials. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:31, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
How do I get a category to update after editing pages within it?
I've been adding coordinates to articles listed in Category:Oregon articles missing geocoordinate data. I was under the impression that the pages would automatically be removed from the category after I added coordinates to them. However, it has been about 12 hours and none of the pages I edited have been removed from the category. Am I doing something wrong on the pages? Do I just need to wait longer? Am I supposed to remove the pages from the category manually? I'd appreciate an explanation of what I'm doing wrong and how to fix it. Thanks!
Edit: I just figured out what I was doing wrong. I forgot to remove the coord missing|Oregon tag. I'm not sure how to delete this question, sorry. CoolFrog82 (talk) 19:43, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Naming category for Visayan pop artists
Hello, may I please get some advice on how to name a category I'm planning to make? It's a category for artists in the Visayan pop genre, specifically ones who have been described as such in the media. My problem is that if I name it "List of Visayan pop artists," it might simply seem like a category for pop artists who are Visayan. But it's specifically artists in that genre.
For example, Mrld is Visayan and has said that her work has been inspired by Visayan pop, but she has not had any songs in that genre, so she wouldn't be included in the category. I was thinking of naming it "List of Vispop artists" (the fact that Visayan pop is often shortened to Vispop is mentioned in the lead section), but there's another genre page using that term, Vispop. However, Vispop (the Swedish genre) is wholly unsourced and has been a stub for years. On the other hand, Visayan pop is a GA-class article.
Any advice on what to name this category? Bloomagiliw (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Bloomagiliw: Are you trying to write a list article, or add a WP:Category to the bottom of pages? List of Visayan pop artists is a potential title for an article listing these kinds of artists. Category:Visayan pop artists could be added to the bottom of pages about those artists. To create a category, click on the red-linked category and then add the broader categories, and perhaps a description of what should be included. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 04:04, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to add a category to the bottom of pages! Would saying "Please do not simply add artists here who are Visayan. This category refers to artists who have identified as artists in the Visayan pop genre or have been identified as such in the media." on the category page itself be okay? Bloomagiliw (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes that is a good idea. Hopefully people will read that category page before adding it. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:36, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Trying to add a category to the bottom of pages! Would saying "Please do not simply add artists here who are Visayan. This category refers to artists who have identified as artists in the Visayan pop genre or have been identified as such in the media." on the category page itself be okay? Bloomagiliw (talk) 04:06, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Malfunctioning "of what" tag
The "of what" tag is malfunctioning, it produces the banner containing a list of all inline tags immediately after it (see below). I don't know how to solve it. Who needs contacting to fix this? Boynamedsue (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
9 out of 10 {{of what}} prefer whiskas.--Boynamedsue (talk) 06:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- It's working now. An anonymous IP added that navigation template outside the 'noinclude' block. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:13, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
user page info box
Hi, I see on other peoples user pages in there userboxes that they have stuff like hobbies, ___location, and first edit. Where can I find those? I have a user box on my page but I cannot find the places to put thoes.. Kommandant-Brot (talk) 19:12, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- See Wikipedia:Userboxes, and the Wikiproject navbox at the bottom of the page for many examples, if you're referring to those small rectangular boxes on user pages describing interests, backgrounds, funny stuff, and so on. Some editors maintain their own page of user boxes they've created; I have some at User:Anachronist/Userboxes. ~Anachronist (talk) 19:53, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:09, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Formatting Slang word
Hi People of Wikipedia teahouse!
Draft:Theorestatistician - Wikipedia
Thank you in advance for your suggestions. Side8frozen (talk) 22:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- What you seem to be including in this article looks more like a Wiktionary entry, rather than an encyclopaedic article. You will need at least 3 sources that demonstrate the requirements at WP:42 to demonstrate that this word is notable, and the content must include context like word history, usage, etc. If you want others to include that, it's highly unlikely that anyone will dedicate the time to it. If I had to guess myself, this will never be an article as google returns zero results for that word. TheDowningStreetCat (talk) 23:31, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello Side8frozen :). As the message on your Talk page notes, the issue with your draft isn't the formatting, but rather that "Neologisms are not considered suitable for Wikipedia unless they receive substantial use and press coverage; this requires strong evidence in independent, reliable, published sources.". This means that new words must be significantly used before they are considered notable (good for an article). Looking online I can't find any mentions of "Theorestatistician". Cheers, Sophocrat (talk) 23:32, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Edgard Garrido
Hola, soy Edgard Garrido, fotógrafo chileno ganador del Premio Pulitzer 2019. Tengo múltiples publicaciones y entrevistas en medios internacionales (The Guardian, BBC, CNN, etc.) y quisiera saber cómo crear mi biografía en Wikipedia sin infringir normas. ¿Podría algún editor ayudarme a armar un artículo con referencias confiables? Edgard Garrido (talk) 00:25, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Edgard Garrid: Take a look at WP:Autobiography. Wikipedia is not for promotion. It is best to just let someone else decide to write about you without any request, so there is no conflict of interest. Those that offer you money to write an article, are scammers. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
African Gymnastics Union needs article?
I was reading the featured article on Mohamed Lazhari-Yamani (In the "did you know" section), and noticed a red link to a page for the African Gymnastics Union. There is some information available online- It's a part of the international gymnastics federation (which has a wiki page), and there are a handful of (short) articles that come up when googling about it. Is it not notable enough to get a page? If so, should someone do something about the red link to where it's page should be? Thanks. MortalGoose (talk) 04:31, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Is it not notable enough to get a page? I have no comment on this. If so, should someone do something about the red link to where it's page should be? I suppose you're asking, "If it is notable enough, should somebody create an article?" To this, I'd respond: Nobody need feel obliged to create any article. If you believe that the African Gymnastics Union is notable and that you can create a policy-compliant article about it, then you should feel free to create Draft:African Gymnastics Union (or not to do so). But if you're thinking of creating any draft, you'd be well advised to get some experience of improving existing articles beforehand. -- Hoary (talk) 04:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
How to resubmit article
- How to resubmit my article after rejection, with new reliable sources for citation?
Hello,
My recent submission to Wikipedia about my company was rejected. I would like to improve the article and try again, but I want to ensure I am following the right process this time.
I now have a list of reliable sources for citation, including coverage from reputable media and business news portals:
- Economic Times: “AI startup Fibr raises $1.8 million in a funding round led by Accel”
- Entrepreneur: “Fibr secures USD 1.8mn funding led by Accel to enhance AI”
- Outlook Business: “Fibr raises $1.8mn in seed round led by Accel”
- Entrackr, Indian Startup News, Business Outreach, EquityPandit, StartupStoryMedia, MarketingTechNews, Crunchbase, MarketingReport.one, StartupArticle, AIMMediaHouse, G2.com reviews, Yahoo! Finance
Could someone please guide me through:
- The steps I should take to properly resubmit my article after rejection?
- Best practices to ensure that my citations are considered reliable and meet Wikipedia’s notability guidelines?
- Any tips for formatting or organizing sources to strengthen my submission and reduce the risk of another rejection?
Thank you for your help! Udhay S P (talk) 06:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, Udhay S P. Please read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), and read it carefully from beginning to end. All those sources about "funding rounds" do not establish notability (eligibility for an article) because the guideline makes it clear that coverage of "raised capital" is considered trivial. And $1.8 million? That's not much for a genuinely notable company. "Startup" is a synonym for WP:TOOSOON. Cullen328 (talk) 07:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Fibr AI. As it says in the decline notice at the top of the page (which you removed and I have restored), your draft was declined (meaning that in its current state it is not acceptable as an article), not rejected (meaning that the subject is not worthy of an article). To establish that the subject is notable enough for an article, the sources needed to be cited in the article (preferably with bibliographical details of the sources, not just links), not listed here. And it's not enough for them to be reliable. As it says in that decline notice, they must also be independent (so not based on press releases) and contain in-depth discussion of the subject. Personal comment: when an article on a company says more about its rounds of funding than about its products, I suspect a WeWork-type scam. Maproom (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Udhay S P, where have you made your Paid contributions disclosure? This is mandatory and non-negotiable. Cullen328 (talk) 07:27, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Courtesy link: Draft:Fibr AI. As it says in the decline notice at the top of the page (which you removed and I have restored), your draft was declined (meaning that in its current state it is not acceptable as an article), not rejected (meaning that the subject is not worthy of an article). To establish that the subject is notable enough for an article, the sources needed to be cited in the article (preferably with bibliographical details of the sources, not just links), not listed here. And it's not enough for them to be reliable. As it says in that decline notice, they must also be independent (so not based on press releases) and contain in-depth discussion of the subject. Personal comment: when an article on a company says more about its rounds of funding than about its products, I suspect a WeWork-type scam. Maproom (talk) 07:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Link to the entry in a different Language
- How can I change a wrong link to the entry in a different Language?
I use the "classic view". Wen i visit an entr, there is a row of languages on the left side. When I enter the edit section, I see the text of the entry, but no way to change the links to the other languages. Sambirano (talk) 10:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Sambirano Welcome to the Teahouse. Please see Help:Interlanguage links. Which article and which language are you referring to? Shantavira|feed me 10:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Mumbai Skyscraper Documents
Hi, I am ediitng the list of tallest buildings in Mumbai article. There are a lot of buildings that fit the skyscraper description of being 150m+ but they are not found on any other formal or official source online and only found on Indian govt websites. The problem is that those govt sites that have the documents cannot be cited as they are protected sites. Links and downloaded PDFs are not an option as i have tried before. Please let me know if there is a way around this. Ahahahaa (talk) 19:19, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- What do you mean by "protected sites.", and why does that mean that they cannot be cited? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:45, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/a8bff464-782f-4ce1-a80d-4bdf4bf5785b - this is an example. That link is the architectural drawing of a skyscraper. Can you access it?. What i mean by "protected" is that files from the site cannot be linked elsewhere. I have tried citing them before ( like the link i sent ) but even i cannot access the site just by clicking on the link. Ahahahaa (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- When i myself click the link, I am greeted with a blank page. Ahahahaa (talk) 19:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/a8bff464-782f-4ce1-a80d-4bdf4bf5785b - this is an example. That link is the architectural drawing of a skyscraper. Can you access it?. What i mean by "protected" is that files from the site cannot be linked elsewhere. I have tried citing them before ( like the link i sent ) but even i cannot access the site just by clicking on the link. Ahahahaa (talk) 19:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- When I click on that link, Ahahahaa, I arrive at https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/login/, which is a blank page. (This is already odd. Presumably it's a page via which one can log in, but how could anyone do that on a blank page?) However, the page only looks blank (when viewed in a normal way). In reality it's hundreds of lines long, and stuffed with invocations (?) of Javascript. (If this helps anyone.) Can we humble folk log in, somewhere/somehow? If we can, and if we've done so, does a link such as https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/a8bff464-782f-4ce1-a80d-4bdf4bf5785b work? If yes we can and yes it does, perhaps you can word the references accordingly. But perhaps it's more complex; e.g. the website is set up to spurn any attempt to view, or to log in, made from outside India. -- Hoary (talk) 21:27, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- this is the original page - https://maharera.maharashtra.gov.in/projects-search-result. Anyways i figured out a way to cite the heights from there. Thanks for your time Ahahahaa (talk) 21:32, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- When I click on that link, Ahahahaa, I arrive at https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/login/, which is a blank page. (This is already odd. Presumably it's a page via which one can log in, but how could anyone do that on a blank page?) However, the page only looks blank (when viewed in a normal way). In reality it's hundreds of lines long, and stuffed with invocations (?) of Javascript. (If this helps anyone.) Can we humble folk log in, somewhere/somehow? If we can, and if we've done so, does a link such as https://maharerait.maharashtra.gov.in/a8bff464-782f-4ce1-a80d-4bdf4bf5785b work? If yes we can and yes it does, perhaps you can word the references accordingly. But perhaps it's more complex; e.g. the website is set up to spurn any attempt to view, or to log in, made from outside India. -- Hoary (talk) 21:27, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Why do we once again have another Alexander McQueen featured article?
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This is getting ridiculous. Once again, we're got another Alexander McQueen articles as the featured article. The fact that he is featured so frequently, and over other various articles makes no sense. On the anniversary of Bloody Sunday-McQueen was the featured article. I find that deeply appalling. I have nothing against fashion artists, but no one person should be featured 5-6 times a year. 209.29.144.66 (talk) 12:39, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- There seems to be users who are invested in McQueen's work and as such try to get them to featured article status. There is no limit on how many articles in a certain group can be featured, though I believe there is care taken to try and space them out. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 12:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- This page is for asking questions about how to edit Wikipedia. We can do nothing to address the issue that concerns you. You may more usefully raise your concerns at WT:FAC. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:30, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- This has had extensive discussion before, you can read it here: Talk:Main Page/Archive 208#Alexander McQueen.
- You may be misunderstanding what a featured article is (which is the fault of wiki-terminology). Featured article is a status that an article can get, it does not mean that we are "featuring" it. The today's featured article section on the main page is simply working through all articles that have attained the status. Effort is taken to make sure that similar articles are spaced out, which the McQueen ones were. Nebman227 (talk) 14:36, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Again, I have no issue with McQueen, legitimately interested in some of the exhibitions and have said as much in the past, but last year we had like 6, and it's well on its way again this year. 6-7 in a year is not spaced out. Like most people I'm sure, I'm on this daily. I have not seen this frequency with anything else. I just don't understand how the main page is simply working through all articles that have attained this status and yet I'm seeing repeats of McQueens, while other articles aren't as frequently shown. 209.29.144.66 (talk) 15:01, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Dart PDC World Cup Sverige/ Darts PDC World Cup Sweden
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Om Sverige i World Cup of Darts från 2023 och framåt/ About Sweden in the World Cup of Darts from 2023 onwards Artikeln är inriktad för svenskt och norskt dartintresse Beskrivning av insatserna 2023. 24 och 25 (att fyllas på fortsättningsvis) Samt världsmästarna genom åren.
About Sweden in the World Cup of Darts from 2023 onwards The article is aimed at Swedish and Norwegian darts enthusiasts Description of the events in 2023. 24 and 25 (to be filled in for continuation in future years) As well as the world champions through the years.
Är detta en artikel som platsar på Wiki? Is this an article that fits on Wiki? JerryKB (talk) 09:52, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Do mass changes require consesus?
Hello
i was disagreeing with an editor (User:Megainek) on a minor wording issue, but they have been making the exact same change to dozens of other pages. (Removing "long running" from the desciption of long running comics). I reverted some but they put it back. I also tried to talk to them about it on their talk page (here) and one of the work pages (here), but they didn't respond, reverted my changes and continue to make these changes. I also see on their talk page that someone last year asked them to stop making these changes but was also ignored
If I disagree with this mass change, where can i bring that up? I don't want to get into an edit war reverting everything back and forth, I just want to ask for a second opinion to decide if this is a good change to be making at all. Is there somewhere that can make this judgement call overall?
Thank you 142.105.69.34 (talk) 03:29, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- 142.105.69.34: For mass changes then there should be a valid reason to do them, eg a discussion. If challenged or reverted then there should be a discussion. Read WP:BRD, bold change, revert, discussion. This means do not revert the same change more than once. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 03:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- but what if they aren't responding to discussion? is the issue. I did ping them 142.105.69.34 (talk) 04:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- When I look at the history of Sluggy Freelance, I see the responses. A sample edit summary: "Undid revision 1300934273 by 142.105.69.34 (talk) since what is long-running to one may not be to another, that is a pov phrase, intro just needs to be simple and say what it is" (shorthand, I suppose, for "Undoing revision 1300934273 by 142.105.69.34 (talk), since what is 'long-running' to one reader may not be 'long running' to another. It is wording that expresses a point of view, whereas the introduction just needs to be simple and say what the comic is"). -- Hoary (talk) 04:49, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- If they are not responding, please follow the process described at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- but what if they aren't responding to discussion? is the issue. I did ping them 142.105.69.34 (talk) 04:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
posting articles
how do i post articles Nerdy plant (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:Your first article—but we recommend you start with smaller tasks. I have left some useful links on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Reverting vandalism when there are intervening edits
I would like to revert this edit, however there is a useful intervening edit. Is there any way other than manually redoing the useful edit? Stockhausenfan (talk) 21:21, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not that I know of. The intervening edit was indeed a (rather trivially) beneficial one, but it wouldn't have been called for if the preceding, asinine edit (the one you rightly pointed to) hadn't been made. I've made the reversion. Thank you for bringing this stupidity to our attention (as it happened, to my attention) here. -- Hoary (talk) 22:08, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- There was an additional complication. The vandalized page was Talk:Argument from evolution. This of course accompanied Argument from evolution. However, Argument from evolution is a mere redirect to Evidence of common descent (and has been since 2006 (!)). So I have now deleted Talk:Argument from evolution. -- Hoary (talk) 22:44, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
wikipedia draft
im trying to make my wiki draft go faster, any tips 2601:CB:8000:1A40:61B4:B595:38C4:29E5 (talk) 21:25, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you are referring to the speed of the review, no, there is nothing that you can do to speed the process. 331dot (talk) 21:55, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Or are you asking about possible improvements to Draft:Duripsh, Abkhazia? If so, one example would be to specify the title -- or, if there isn't one, a description -- of each source that's currently referred to as just "Yandex". -- Hoary (talk) 22:22, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- I can't, I'm trying but it keeps saying Yandex, how can i fix it 2601:CB:8000:1A40:B1DD:113:1945:7C5D (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- If you're using the source editor, it should be easy. As an example, from "Yandex". yandex.com. Retrieved 2025-07-27. (currently reference 39) to "Замок Хаита в Горах". Yandex (in Russian). Retrieved 2025-07-30. If you're using the visual editor, I regret that I have no idea. (I have no experience whatever of the visual editor.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- I can't, I'm trying but it keeps saying Yandex, how can i fix it 2601:CB:8000:1A40:B1DD:113:1945:7C5D (talk) 13:32, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- I hate to disagree with 331dot, he's very competent and I respect his work. But there is something you can do to make a speedy review more likely. When a reviewer looks at a submission, their first concern will be "does this article cite sources that establish the subject as notable?". When they find that there are 51 sources, and that the first two in English do not even mention Duripsh, they're unlikely to work through the others. They'll just leave it in the waiting list and find a better use for their time. So - get rid of almost all the 51 sources (and the content they support) , while retaining the ones establish the subject as notable. Once it's been accepted, you can put back the material that you removed. Maproom (talk) 06:53, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- It should not be necessary to remove valid content from an article to get it through AfC.
- If it is necessary to game the AfC system that way, then that system is broken. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- The OP specifically asked what they could do for a speedy review- shorter articles with less content are more likely to get a speedy review than a lengthy article with a great deal of content or sources, simply due to the time required to invest in reviewing them. This does not mean lengthy submissions are invalid to submit via AFC, but a speedy review is less likely if there is a backlog(as their usually is). The only way to decrease the backlog is to have more reviewers. 331dot (talk) 14:12, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- but then I will have to remove a ton of stuff {because of citations} which I worked months for 2601:CB:8000:1A40:B1DD:113:1945:7C5D (talk) 13:37, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor: you should definitely remove all content cited to WP:SPUTNIK, which is a WP:DEPRECATED source that should never be used in any article on Wikipedia. See those links for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- thx I deleted them, I'm a teen so i dont know much, could u help me find badsources 2601:CB:8000:1A40:B1DD:113:1945:7C5D (talk) 14:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor: you should definitely remove all content cited to WP:SPUTNIK, which is a WP:DEPRECATED source that should never be used in any article on Wikipedia. See those links for details. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:02, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Maproom Feel free to disagree with me. :) Usually I interpret this question to be asking "I need/want it reviewed now! What can I do to get it looked at now?" and not "what can I do to increase the chances that, once looked at, it will be accepted quicker". 331dot (talk) 14:08, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Old Sparky: States that aren’t included yet mentioned
thumb|upright=0.5|Sing Sing’s Old Sparky
Though many of the notable states using the electric chair as Old Sparky are included, there are some mentioned but not included. These are:
Arkansas Illinois Nebraska Oklahoma And Virginia.
Though an image of Arkansas’ old sparky is the main image on the article. Should we include those states? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 18:34, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, if you can provide a reliable source. If so, please ask on the article's talk page, with a link to the source(s). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:42, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
8.7 - 8.8 Earthquake in Russia Today
I have tried to mention this quake in that article, but it is locked down. There are tidal wave WARNINGS out all over the place, and the news outlets are still carrying this as of the timestamp shown here. Can someone place this? IF a quake like that were to hit the US, especially in the New Madrid Fault Zone, it could rip out the whole US. 216.247.72.142 (talk) 02:57, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- There is a discussion on this underway at Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#2025 Kamchatka Peninsula earthquake and an article at 2025 Kamchatka Peninsula earthquake. HiLo48 (talk) 03:04, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
"in that article"
Which article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:36, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Student room rent in Herning
Hungarian 19years old boy is looking for a simple room for university studies from this september. 86.101.167.45 (talk) 16:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- This is not something we can help with. Try looking at housing websites for the town the university is in? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 16:14, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- As much as we would like to help, this page is exclusively for Wikipedia newcomers. 22ManzanaBoy (talk) 13:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Bros
- Require Assistant as user ResolutionsPerMinute is disrupting "When Will I Be Famous? Page and other Bros related articles
Dear Team, I hope you are all well. I am having cited content reverted by user ResolutionsPerMinute. I am unsure why they pursue this line of action, as it's very unconstructive and very disruptive. They won't accept that the single charted at number 3 on the French single chart on the 12th June 1998, so I provide the link (https://tubesenfrance.com/annees-80/classements-de-1988/classement-du-12-juin-1988/). Can someone kindly assist, please? It is becoming quite distressing, and I do not want an edit war as this doesn't help anyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lucygeejones8 (talk • contribs) 16:44, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- To add to the disruptive behaviour by Resolutionperminutes i have provide the correct cited link to Bros song "I Owe You Nothing " this charted at number 3 on French single chart on the 23rd October 1988 again i provided link (https://tubesenfrance.com/annees-80/classements-de-1988/classement-du-23-octobre-1988/) again i thank you the Tea house for guidance and assistant as edit wars are not useful. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 16:53, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I've moved this to the bottom of this page where it belongs. Knitsey (talk) 16:58, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please stop putting personal attacks against other editors in your edit summaries, and start using article talk pages when you disagree with an editor about changes to an article. You don't need to ask admins for help every time someone reverts an edit. MilesVorkosigan (talk) 17:19, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dear member I just want to ensure that i doing things correctly when citing. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- You don't need to keep putting attacks against other editors in your edit summaries in order to learn how to cite correctly.
- But you should definitely start using article talk pages to discuss things (politely). MilesVorkosigan (talk) 18:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Dear member I just want to ensure that i doing things correctly when citing. Lucygeejones8 (talk) 18:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Lucygeejones8, the international chart positions are already referenced in the Charts section. Knitsey (talk) 17:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Lucygeejones8, no need to express an LLM-style hope that we're all well. Wasn't this at WP:ANI enough about friction over "Bros"-related articles? -- Hoary (talk) 21:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Page deletion
Link To Page Good Morning, I am wondering why my article titled George D. Ellsworth is nominated for deletion. I feel that it should be kept as I put a lot of work into it. Is there any way you can stop it from getting deleted or tell me how to stop it from getting deleted. It would be awesome if you could help it not get deleted as this is my first Wikipedia page creation. Thanks. LoganPollard331 (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @LoganPollard331 You can add your comments to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/George D. Ellsworth and at the same time improve the article if you can. The obvious deficiency is that it has only one source. not nearly enough to establish notability as defined in the way that Wikipedia uses that word Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The article has zero indication of passing the criteria at WP:GNG. Theroadislong (talk) 15:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- I just added a few more links for references. Would this help it from getting deleted. LoganPollard331 (talk) 15:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Probably not. He seems to have been an utterly unremarkable soldier. Maybe you need to consider an alternative outlet? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- No.. Findagrave and ancestors.familysearch.org are NOT reliable independent sources, they are user edited so cannot be used. Theroadislong (talk) 15:43, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- So there pretty much nothing to do to stop it getting deleted. Most of the info I got for his page are my personal records of him because he is a family member of mine and is also related to another famous family member. Not to be annoying but I just don't understand why it NEEDS to be deleted. LoganPollard331 (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Because we don't have articles about everyone, only those that pass WP:GNG and your relative clearly doesn't. Theroadislong (talk) 16:01, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for putting a lot of work into Wikipedia! The sad thing is, there are a lot of things in the world, and not every one can be included into Wikipedia. As others have said, your article doesn't pass the Notability Guidelines WP:GNG - Wikipedia's rules for what is considered "famous" enough to be here. It's not about how the article is written, it's about what the article is about. Additionally, you aren't supposed to write about people you know - that's #5 in the guidelines. Good luck in the future, and thanks again. ~ mchen.tiger wyrms! (talk) 16:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @LoganPollard331. We don't actually allow personal records to be used as sources and we don't allow original source. Sources must be published and information must be verified. See Wikipedia:No original research and Wikipedia:Reliable sources. Maybe a blog is a better venue? qcne (talk) 16:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @LoganPollard331. The problem is one of verifiability. Because Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia that anyone can edit, even if the information you put in is all accurate, it may get changed - accidentally, or because somebody has more up-to-date research, or maliciously. A reader next month or next year may see something different - and unless there are citations to reliable sources, has no way to know if it's correct. (User-generated sources are not reliable, for exactly the same reason: because somebody might change them. Wikipedia itself is not acknowledged as a reliable source for the same reason).
- So Wikipedia prefers (and for new drafts being reviewed, reviewers usually require) that everything is cited to a reliable source - and if there are not adequate sources, then an article on the subject will not be accepted.
- I am mentioned in a Wikipedia article, and in a newspaper article which is cited in that article. But there is not enough information published about me to base a Wikipedia article on (so I am not notable). ColinFine (talk) 16:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you all for the help. LoganPollard331 (talk) 16:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- So there pretty much nothing to do to stop it getting deleted. Most of the info I got for his page are my personal records of him because he is a family member of mine and is also related to another famous family member. Not to be annoying but I just don't understand why it NEEDS to be deleted. LoganPollard331 (talk) 15:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Help Request: Reopening Draft Submission
Hi Aaron Liu,
I hope you're doing well. I’ve seen your contributions in the AfC space and appreciate your commitment to supporting new article submissions — it truly makes a difference.
I'm currently working on *Draft:Oded Wagenstein* and have addressed the previous reviewer’s suggestions (including removing direct URLs) and made further improvements to tone and sourcing. I reached out to Itzcuauhtli11 four days ago, but since the “resubmit” button is no longer available, I haven’t been able to trigger a new review myself.
Would you be willing to kindly reopen the submission so it can be reviewed again?
Here’s the draft: Draft:Oded Wagenstein
And the talk page request: Draft talk:Oded Wagenstein
Thank you very much for your time and help! – User:Atlasofage Atlasofage (talk) 14:48, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Atlasofage I've restored the original decline notice, which should not have been removed. This will allow you to re-submit the draft after attending to reviewer comments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:01, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much, Mike, for reopening my draft submission.
- I have carefully addressed all the issues raised by the reviewers.
- Thanks again for your help and time. Atlasofage (talk) 15:47, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Bank Holiday
Hello critic the UK the King makes bank holidays by proclamation and with perogatives they don't need minister advice am sure some may find the truth strange that's how, or it not feel neutral or may not feel it's the right place as though it's not Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 09:29, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- hello, the teahouse is for those who have a question about editing Wikipedia. So no it's not the right place. Osa Akwamarynowa (talk) 09:35, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- sorry am asking if it belongs with bank holidays or different place so it is a question about editing am not sure because there nothing royal or about making bank holidays it says what we have Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Royal Historian 28 years Your question is nonsensical, please could you rephrase in clear English? qcne (talk) 10:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- The post is apparently referring to this revert by the user Criticize. @Royal Historian 28 years: Your edit was unsourced, and I don't know much about the UK but it sounds unlikely to me that the king would declare a holiday on his own initiative even if he officially has that right. I don't think we need to mention everything current monarchs in democracies could theoretically do (but might not get away with if they try). If you have a reliable source saying the king or queen has actually done it in modern times then it would be different. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes he can do it perogatives don't need the advice of his ministers, of course it's been done in modern times I would not be historian would I. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please cite where Queen Elizabeth or King Charles declared a holiday without doing so on the advice of the PM or other minister. That would be a very unusual, newsworthy event as the monarch doesn't really do much unless they are advised to(even if technically they could). 331dot (talk) 11:56, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Giving yourself a username "Royal Historian" does not make you a historian. To me, it appears especially doubtful that you are a historian of any sort, given that you cannot formulate a coherent sentence in the King's English. ~Anachronist (talk) 12:16, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'm Danish. The Danish monarch also has various rights in theory but hasn't tried to exercise them since the Easter Crisis in 1920, and that didn't go well. The article says: "Faced with the potential overthrow of the Danish crown, Christian backed down and dismissed his own government". The government lasted five days (not specified in the article). PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Even if what you say is 100% true, you provided no cite linking to an independent, reliable source saying so. We don't source factual statements that can be disputed with the assertion of a random Wikipedia editor. You also may have more success with this and similar edits by discussing them on the relevant talk page; given your edits here and your previous edits, I don't think you have sufficient English fluency at this time to be directly editing content on English Wikipedia. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 15:41, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am trying but I can not get the link and sites sometimes won't allow copy, if a government site does not allow it shelf to be shared. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 20:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Something that you propose exists wouldn't be buried on a government website. It would be major news. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- No not major news lol it goes in papers and the news, but is put up on the No 10 website then people see, otherwise no one would find out about it it's not something we worry about. Too many bank holidays as it is no one thinks about the economic cost of bank holidays, and the King should reduce them not think about more it OK one day extra. No more bank holidays should be added on a permanent basis. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Royal Historian 28 years Have you read Public holidays in the United Kingdom? Although some bank holidays are set by royal proclamation, that doesn't mean that the monarch has "made" them. See the Banking and Financial Dealings Act 1971, which is a standard act of parliament. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:15, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- No not major news lol it goes in papers and the news, but is put up on the No 10 website then people see, otherwise no one would find out about it it's not something we worry about. Too many bank holidays as it is no one thinks about the economic cost of bank holidays, and the King should reduce them not think about more it OK one day extra. No more bank holidays should be added on a permanent basis. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 22:14, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Something that you propose exists wouldn't be buried on a government website. It would be major news. 331dot (talk) 21:27, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- I am trying but I can not get the link and sites sometimes won't allow copy, if a government site does not allow it shelf to be shared. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 20:58, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes he can do it perogatives don't need the advice of his ministers, of course it's been done in modern times I would not be historian would I. Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- The post is apparently referring to this revert by the user Criticize. @Royal Historian 28 years: Your edit was unsourced, and I don't know much about the UK but it sounds unlikely to me that the king would declare a holiday on his own initiative even if he officially has that right. I don't think we need to mention everything current monarchs in democracies could theoretically do (but might not get away with if they try). If you have a reliable source saying the king or queen has actually done it in modern times then it would be different. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:44, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Royal Historian 28 years Your question is nonsensical, please could you rephrase in clear English? qcne (talk) 10:25, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
- sorry am asking if it belongs with bank holidays or different place so it is a question about editing am not sure because there nothing royal or about making bank holidays it says what we have Royal Historian 28 years (talk) 09:42, 27 July 2025 (UTC)
Page creation
Hi, Thank you for your note and guidance. We completely understand Wikipedia's policies on conflicts of interest and paid contributions.
We would like to clarify that we are affiliated with myPaisaa and are trying to submit a neutral, well-sourced draft about the company. We disclose that this is a paid contribution as required by Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. This effort is to create an informative page and not promotional in nature.
Here is our draft: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:MyPaisaa
We request experienced editors to kindly review it and help us improve it based on Wikipedia’s notability guidelines, especially for organizations. We welcome feedback and are happy to make changes accordingly.
Thank you again for your time and support.
Best regards,
Sunil (on behalf of myPaisaa) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sunil.Kumar980 (talk • contribs) 11:00, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- You have a paid editing declaration on your user page, but it is incomplete. Please fix it, by adding the name of your employer.
- Your draft has already been reviewed; please see the comments left there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:12, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
ChatGPT Citations
Is it alright to use ChatGPT to find sources or look for citations to fill in a article
Ex: “Find sources to support claim X”
Just curious. 8bit12man (talk) 13:31, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @8bit12man You can do what you like to find sources provided you subsequently check that 1) they are reliable and do in fact exist and 2) they do support claim X (i.e. you read them and form your own judgement). Not much different than using a search engine. WP:LLM may be of interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- I've done that, but I found that many of the sources uncovered by ChatGPT are junk, like links to Reddit and other user-generated content, links to primary sources, links to unreliable sources, or links to completely hallucinated sources that don't exist. You have to check each one and you may find something useful.
- If you're trying to write an article, then it's best to start with sources and write what they say (don't rely on ChatGPT to write it for you; that doesn't fool anyone here and it never ends well0.
- If you see a claim that is unsourced, it's best just to delete the claim if you cannot find a source. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:53, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
Medini Kelamane
- Subject: Request for neutral editor – draft biography of Kannada actress Medini Kelamane
Hello! I’m seeking help submitting a Wikipedia biography draft about Medini Kelamane, an Indian actress and filmmaker active in Kannada cinema. Since I am the subject of the article, I understand I have a conflict of interest and cannot submit it directly.
The draft is written with a neutral tone and is supported by independent, reliable sources including The Times of India, Deccan Herald, Vijaya Karnataka, Sudha, Filmibeat, and others. The subject has also received awards and recognitions for both acting and direction.
I’d appreciate it if a neutral editor could review the draft and submit it via Articles for Creation (AfC), or advise on how best to proceed.
Please let me know how I can share the draft and sources with you.
Thank you so much for your time and guidance! 2001:4490:4C49:A0A7:B4A0:EC1A:96C1:3BC5 (talk) 14:13, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please create the draft in Draft space. See WP:AFC for instructions. Once that is done, I and others would be happy to review it. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:50, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Be advised that the reliability of the Times of India is unclear at best, see WP:TIMESOFINDIA. 331dot (talk) 14:51, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- It would be best to create an account so that communication with other editors is easier. You don't have to use your real name. Then declare your conflict of interest after reading our advice that writing an WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY is very challenging and may not be a good idea. Beware that once you reveal that you would like an article about yourself, you may be approached by those out to WP:SCAM you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:07, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Taxi Driver 265216 I now realise that you did create an account and submitted Draft:Medini Kelamane which has been declined for not demonstrating that you are a notable actress as defined by Wikipedia. Please log in before editing, or your IP address is used rather than your account name. One of the problems with your draft, aside from the notability issue is that it does not conform to the policy on biographies of living people that all facts such as statements about early life and education, must be backed up by inline citations to reliable already-published sources. As a newcomer to editing, it isn't surprising you haven't done this: you could look at a few articles in Category:Actresses in Kannada cinema to get an idea of what is required. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Have included the inline citations and resubmitting. Medinikelamane (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Medinikelamane Where did you
include the inline citations and re-submit
? I see no other edits from this account other than the COI declaration and the one here. Note also that you should stick to using only one account: see WP:Sockpuppetry. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Medinikelamane Where did you
- Have included the inline citations and resubmitting. Medinikelamane (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- User:Taxi Driver 265216 I now realise that you did create an account and submitted Draft:Medini Kelamane which has been declined for not demonstrating that you are a notable actress as defined by Wikipedia. Please log in before editing, or your IP address is used rather than your account name. One of the problems with your draft, aside from the notability issue is that it does not conform to the policy on biographies of living people that all facts such as statements about early life and education, must be backed up by inline citations to reliable already-published sources. As a newcomer to editing, it isn't surprising you haven't done this: you could look at a few articles in Category:Actresses in Kannada cinema to get an idea of what is required. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:47, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Taxi Driver 265216 (I'm assuming that is you), and welcome to the Teahouse.
- One of the reasons why writing about yourself in Wikipedia is so difficult is that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- This means that, once you have found the absolutely necessarily independent reliable sources, you then need to effectively forget everything you know about yourself and write a summary of what those sources say: most people cannot do this.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:17, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
CBS News - Past Correspondents
Courtesy link: David Henderson (American journalist)
I am David Henderson, former correspondent at CBS News froom 1970 - 1980. Someone - R2025kt - erroneously posts that I was at CBS News from 1970 - 2012 and that I retired from journalism. Neither statement is true. When I attempt to correct, R2025kt reverts text to inaccurate version. Deh10019 (talk) 16:09, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi. First, you should never, ever attempt to make substantive changes to an article with which you have a conflict of interest, as you clearly have with an article about yourself. Every article on Wikipedia has a "talk" page, which is explicitly for the purpose of discussing improvements to the article. A person with a conflict of interest should use the talk page to propose changes. You can edit the article directly for minor things, like spelling, grammar, fixing obvious vandalism, adding citations to reliable sources, names, and dates, but anything more substantive needs to be discussed. You can use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to guide you through making edit requests. For now it may be best to revert the article back to the state it was in before you got involved, and continue from there by proposing incremental changes.
- That said, the article in its current state does not cite any sources, and it didn't back in 2015 when you started editing it, so neither version is acceptable for a biography of a living person on Wikipedia. The substantive changes you made effectively removed information that didn't cite any sources anyway, so there's no real issue with that. I'm wondering if it would be best to delete the article altogether. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Anachronist: Please see WP:COI:
"...our policy on matters relating to living people allows very obvious errors to be fixed quickly, including by the subject. "
- A statement that a person has retired from their profession,
whenif they have not, is an egregious breach of our policy on writing about living people. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)- I did make that point indirectly, in my penultimate sentence. Because nothing was sourced, errors would be obvious only to the subject. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:09, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Anachronist: Please see WP:COI:
- WP:About you may be of interest.
- @Deh10019: The best thing you can do at present is to provide independent, reliable sources to support the facts (a few non-independent sources, for non-controversial statements like that you are still working should be acceptable). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:05, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- For many years Wikipedia just listed my name along with most of the others. Then, a vandal or whatever added the extra, that I had been at CBS from 1970 to 2012 and that I was retired from journalism. I am the person this is written about. You can check my credentials at www.davidhenderson.com. If you do not care about accuracy as I do, simply ignore my request. I have merely asked for accurate information to be posted about me. 174.179.138.229 (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- And I have merely advised you how to go about getting that done. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:16, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- For many years Wikipedia just listed my name along with most of the others. Then, a vandal or whatever added the extra, that I had been at CBS from 1970 to 2012 and that I was retired from journalism. I am the person this is written about. You can check my credentials at www.davidhenderson.com. If you do not care about accuracy as I do, simply ignore my request. I have merely asked for accurate information to be posted about me. 174.179.138.229 (talk) 18:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Is this you Twitter: @DavidHenderson, describing yourself as "Retired Journalist"?
- I have also, as you suggest, viewed your website. The home page currently includes the words (my emphasis) "Now retired, David travels with his wife..." Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:26, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
I am having problems patrolling
Hi, whenever I try to do a recent changes patrol I do revert a vandalism, but for every 20 vandal edits I revert, I revert a good edit that looks like vandalism. So what should I do? Lutitium (talk) 16:23, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Lutitium. If you are making mistakes 1 out of 20 times, you should slow down, pause and check before you revert, and ensure that what you are reading really is vandalism. Mistakes are human, but most mistakes are due to carelessness. Take more care. qcne (talk) 16:24, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
References do not Show that the Subject Qualifies
Hi, I’ve been working on a draft for Community First Credit Union of Florida and I keep getting declined for these reasons:
"This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements) reliable secondary strictly independent of the subject Make sure you add references that meet all four of these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."
Here’s the draft: Draft:Community First Credit Union of Florida
Are these kinds of sources not enough? What exactly would make a draft like this pass WP:ORG?
Thanks! RyanBrooksDT (talk) 17:52, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- @RyanBrooksDT: What you appear to have is mostly routine coverage; see WP:CORPDEPTH for more details. Routine business matters - opening branches, acquiring real estate, service expansion, M&A, etc. - doesn't help for notability. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:54, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- "Are these kinds of sources not enough?" You have misunderstood the criticism. The issue is not the quantity of the sources, it's the quality. Maproom (talk) 06:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Downtown Santa Clara CA
Courtesy link: Draft:Downtown Santa Clara CA
Courtesy link: Santa Clara, California
Hello, The article not accepted because " Thank you for your submission, but the subject of this article already exists in Wikipedia. You can find it and improve it at Santa Clara, California instead." How may I add the content as a second page that adds additional history facts I have found? It is a timeline summary of facts researched about the history of Santa Clara, CA. Thank you for your assistance. Dwest2018 (talk) 19:25, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- You don't add it as a second page, Dwest2018. You add bits of it incrementally to the article Santa Clara, California, as Snowycats suggested. Be certain that the references of the material you add are formatted in the same way as those of the material to which you are making additions. When you add an increment, you might find that deleting it from Draft:Downtown Santa Clara CA will help your editing process. (The rump "draft" will eventually be left with material, that, on reflection, you realize isn't sufficiently important, or well enough referenced, for inclusion. Blank it all, and it will then be deleted.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. My research and your reply, Add a new sub topic or sub sections to the original page. Slowly migrate the part of thee other page the main page. Dwest2018 (talk) 00:43, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Here's an alternative idea, Dwest2018. Santa Clara, California is light on history. There could be an additional page to complement it: "History of Santa Clara, California" (cf History of Santa Barbara, California, etc). In a new thread at the foot of Talk:Santa Clara, California, you could propose the creation of such a page, offering to switch what's now "Draft:Downtown Santa Clara CA" from a present-tense chronology to a past-tense account. -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Should I create a new page or just a section on an already existing page?
Hello,
So basically, there is a page called Ginkgolide, and ginkgolide is just a name for multiple chemicals (Gingkolide A, B, C, etc...), and the page I have linked mostly has examples about Gingkolide B. There doesn't seem to be much information about others such as A. So I wonder if I should create a new page for other gingkolides (a page per chemical) or just modify the existing page and add sections for each one? I feel the first solution (creating new pages) would be better, because in a hypothetical scenario, where all gingkolides would be documented on one page, the page would be large. But I'm not sure, so I want to ask other editors to be sure.
Thanks! Themonkey942 (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- If in doubt, add a section to the existing page. If the section grows large enough, then it can be split off into a separate page. WT:WikiProject Chemistry is the place to ask for more topic-specific advice or assistance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks!
- Themonkey942 (talk) 14:43, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Extraneous text?
Greetings all!
Kindly help me.
I have this block of text at the top of my page, I can't seem to be able to remove it. I wonder if it's automatically placed there. It's my first edit.
"[[Category:AfC submissions by date/<0031Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000202585 2025-08-01T05:58:00+00:00Fridayam0000=error>EpFri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000UTC00005820258 UTCFri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +00002025Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000: 17540278808Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000UTC2025-08-01T05:58:00+00:0020255858212UTC01 pu82025-08-01T05:58:00+00:0031uam315820258 2025-08-01T05:58:00+00:0005amFri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000am2025-08-01T05:58:00+00:0031UTCFri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000 &qu202531;:&qu202531;.</0031Fri, 01 Aug 2025 05:58:00 +0000202585>August 2025]"
Thanks a lot! SimpleScriptor (talk) 06:51, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed, by removed something from the date field of the AFC submission template call. Maproom (talk) 07:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you SimpleScriptor (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleScriptor it looks like your draft has now been deleted for being promotional, but in future you should also heed the advice given to you on your talk page and do not use a chatbot to submit drafts. As well as being a bad idea in general, this extraneous text is one of the ways that chatbots break the submission process. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 07:41, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Bummer! SimpleScriptor (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @SimpleScriptor That malformed block of text is only present when editors like yourself use ChatGPT to generate a draft. ChatGPT doesn't know how to correctly write Wikipedia code so will generate broken code, which results in that. Do not use ChatGPT to generate drafts. qcne (talk) 11:47, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. SimpleScriptor (talk) 13:03, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
"All-female" band
I have mixed feelings about this term here: Astarte_(band). I mean, I love black metal and I really like this band, but it seems like something is wrong with emphasizing the gender characteristics of its members in the very first sentence. E.g. "all-men" would sound strange or if we're talking about a minority, it would be strange to emphasize race or ethnicity here, right? What do you think? Cheese and honey (talk) 01:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I believe it should only be explicitly noted in the lead if that fact is given due weight in sources (ie sources often mention that fact, or better still talk about the significance of the fact itself). Otherwise I believe that "all-female" should be removed. Sophocrat (talk) 04:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- The first and main source of the article claims that "the formation of an all-female black metal band was certainly unusual in the mid-'90s (and no less unusual in the late 2000s)", so I will leave the "all-female" in the lead. Sophocrat (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hm. I see your point. Thanks. Cheese and honey (talk) 10:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- The first and main source of the article claims that "the formation of an all-female black metal band was certainly unusual in the mid-'90s (and no less unusual in the late 2000s)", so I will leave the "all-female" in the lead. Sophocrat (talk) 04:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Mistake on today's featured article
Just thought that I would bring this to attention. I do not have the rights to edit the main page, however the article link does not format properly. It says SMS Hindenburg|SMS Hindenburg with the square brackets around it visible instead of converting to wikitext and just displaying the link. Could anyone fix this? This is the for you page on the 1st of August, by the way. I am in the AEST timezone so it might not display for US Wikipedians. CHEEZEBRINGER (talk) 00:18, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi CHEEZEBRINGER. It was fixed by [2]. Main Page errors can be reported at Wikipedia:Main Page/Errors. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Alright, thanks for the link! CHEEZEBRINGER (talk) 02:15, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Can someone remove the afd notice from Ben 10: Omniverse 2
Withdrawn nomination and trying to remove it triggers anti-abuse filter. Protoeus (talk) 23:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Done. Meters (talk) 23:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Notes to other editors in article content
While copyediting, is it permissible to leave other editors notes or commentary about nearby content? For example, if I notice a line that is clunky, but I'm struggling to rephrase it, could I just leave a note like this? (By 'note' I mean the Mad Jim Bey talk 21:47, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, @Mad Jim Bey, it is. See WP:COMMENT for how to do it, and also some guidance on when to do so and when not to do so. --ColinFine (talk) 21:52, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Ah! I was looking all around for exactly this. I don't know how I missed it. Thank you Mad Jim Bey talk 22:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Age Restricted Articles
Even though Wikipedia is the free encyclopaedia, restricting things should be needed for safety on the platform e.g. p*rn, etc there should be a way to make it so only people aged 18 and over can view the articles FaisalisOnline3 (talk) 20:05, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @FaisalisOnline3, I think this has been discussed many times - see Wikipedia:Perennial proposals#Content. I think the main arguments against this is WP:NOTCENSORED and "how do we decide what's inappropriate"? GoldRomean (talk) 20:10, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Advice for parents might have something of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Vandalism musings
Taking a drink from the firehose that is Special:RecentChanges, it suddenly dawned on me just how many revisions are done in bad faith or haphazardly. Is there a dashboard or report tracking just how many of all Wikipedia edits are reverted, who reverts the most, etc.? Has the Wiki organization conducted any recent user studies on improving these metrics? OceanLoop (talk) 14:55, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Does [3] interest you? Wikipedia:Statistics is a more general page. randomdude121 16:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Tappan Wilder
I'm trying to create a page for Tappan Wilder. What sources can I use to prove the authenticity of the article? Thanks! Jamesonknable (talk) 17:26, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- The draft is completely unsourced, where did you get your information? Please see Referencing for beginners.
- You need to show that he is either narrowly a notable writer or more broadly a notable person. 331dot (talk) 17:35, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- The article was moved to Draft:Tappan Wilder. You manually restored it to main space; you should not have done so, and I have reverted you.
- Please continue to work on the draft version until it is ready for publication and then submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice.
- In particular, you need a source for every statement; and at least three that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:45, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- You promptly submitted the draft for review, with no further changes. I have declined it. If you merely repeat that behaviour, it will never get published. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:49, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Jamesonknable, you're asking about what sources you can use. That raises questions about use. Your previous, extensive use of this page of thorntonwilder.com was to plagiarize it, copying its content and pasting it into the draft. At the foot of that page, we read "© The Wilder Family LLC": there's no mention there of copyleft, of the waiving of copyright, or of anything suggesting that this material is not conventionally copyright, "all rights reserved". ¶ Even if this material were properly summarized and attributed, much of it would be inappropriate for a Wikipedia article, as it's not independent of Tappan Wilder himself. You are free to cite reliable sources independent of Wilder -- book critics, literature academics, etc -- for commentary on him and/or his work(s), and to use these citations to construct a draft about him. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Ammount of sources for a valid article
What should I do if there are just 3 or 4 reliable sources about someone (planning to write a biography), however the person is relevant and mentioned in other wikipedia articles? Wikibuilding (talk) 21:07, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Wikibuilding, if you don't specify what a person is relevant to, and how they are relevant to it, then "relevant" is meaningless. Being mentioned in other Wikipedia articles doesn't confer notability. If the three or four sources go into depth about the person, and if they're independent of that person and of each other, then the person may be notable. So, who is the person, to what are they relevant (and how), and what would you say are the three best sources? -- Hoary (talk) 21:22, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- His name is Raúl Cardós, is one of the most relevant marketers of the country, and the first mexican who won a Cannes Lion, he owns what is arguably the biggest independent advertising agency in México, the sources are:
- Reforma, a well known mexican newspaper:
- https://www.reforma.com/vive-anonimo-renovacion-de-su-liderazgo-creativo/ar2747162
- Insider Latam (international relevance):
- https://insiderlatam.com/raul-cardos-de-bombastica-lo-que-nos-une-es-nuestro-valor-por-las-ideas/
- Expansión, another popular mexican newspaper:
- https://expansion.mx/mercadotecnia/2022/05/10/raul-cardos-ceo-anonimo-entrevista-perfil
- And El Ojo De Iberoamérica
- https://www.elojodeiberoamerica.com/premio/jurados/jurados-2018/raul-cardos-presidente-del-jurado-de-el-ojo-radio/
- The rest of the sources are either connected to him, or does not contain a lot of information about his personal life, mention only succesful campaigns or awards, but not the personal details which must be properly cited for a bio. Wikibuilding (talk) 22:01, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Spanish-language sources are welcome, Wikibuilding, as long as they are reliable. Unfortunately I can't read them (which is a criticism not of them but of myself). So I'll leave the job of commenting on them to some other editor(s). -- Hoary (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you so much! Wikibuilding (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Spanish-language sources are welcome, Wikibuilding, as long as they are reliable. Unfortunately I can't read them (which is a criticism not of them but of myself). So I'll leave the job of commenting on them to some other editor(s). -- Hoary (talk) 22:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
- Three or four sources are sufficient, providing three of them meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE; and that there is a source for ever statement in the article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:37, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Great! Thank you very much. Wikibuilding (talk) 12:12, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
InternetArchiveBot
Hello, I'm using the InternetArchiveBot to rescue all the references in the Marc Abaya article. But only three sources were rescued. Why weren’t all the references rescued? I already set the sources to "live," but it still didn’t work. - Arcrev1 (talk) 02:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Normally this bot will only add archive-url when the original link is dead. I don't know how to use the bot, so I only add these archive links manually. So it means I can't answer your question authoritatively. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 02:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Just follow the link on User:InternetArchiveBot to [4]. For more details: meta:InternetArchiveBot/Documentation. --Slowking Man (talk) 05:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Arcrev1: I took a look: it's because the bot skips refs that have |url-status=live in them. |url-status= isn't "supposed" to be there unless |archive-url= is as well; when only |url-status= is given, that triggers a maintenance message and adds the article to Category:CS1 maint: url-status.
- (These messages are hidden by default; look on that linked category page for how to make them display for you if wanted.) --Slowking Man (talk) 05:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I intentionally added the url-status=live, thinking that the bot would work if I did that, because even when I didn’t include it before, the same thing happened–only a few links were still being archived by the bot even without the url-status. - Arcrev1 (talk) 05:53, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Arcrev1: So, I dug into this more. It looks like, the bot doesn't actually instruct the Wayback Machine to archive a page; this means, if a given URL hasn't been archived already, then the bot won't add an archive link, as there's no archive to link. I verified by running the bot myself on Marc Abaya, and indeed, it added no new archive links.
- The Internet Archive apparently crawls WP and archives linked pages, but they do it gradually "on their own time". Meaning, if you want linked refs archived right away, you have to go tell the Wayback Machine to archive them yourself. H:AAS links to some semi-automated tools to assist in this. Hope that helps. --Slowking Man (talk) 04:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- I intentionally added the url-status=live, thinking that the bot would work if I did that, because even when I didn’t include it before, the same thing happened–only a few links were still being archived by the bot even without the url-status. - Arcrev1 (talk) 05:53, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Seeking consensus for a new article
Hello!
I have just written an article (Draft:Gyral Rossby waves - Wikipedia) with the aim of seeking consensus before its possible publication on Wikipedia.
This article is intended to enrich (Rossby wave - Wikipedia) as does the article (Equatorial Rossby wave - Wikipedia).
Thanks for your help. Jean-Louis Pinault (talk) 08:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Jean-Louis Pinault, simply add
{{subst:submit}}
to the top of Draft:Gyral Rossby waves, and submit it for review. -- Hoary (talk) 09:02, 30 July 2025 (UTC)- I suggest working on the sourcing a bit before submitting the draft for review, Jean-Louis Pinault. Sentences such as "Direct observation of these waves from their geostrophic current or from sea surface perturbations is not possible because these data have only been known since the early 1990s" and "The North Atlantic gyre appears further north than it should be" should be supported by references (unless those statements are supported by sources already cited later in the respective paragraphs, in which case I'd suggest repeating the citation to make that clear). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Larry. Jean-Louis Pinault (talk) 09:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Jean-Louis Pinault I've added sectioning as in our manual of style. You may find Citer at toolforge useful as it converts DOI into full citations as used in Wikipedia. We use full journal names, for example, not contractions. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks,Mike. Jean-Louis Pinault (talk) 09:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Hoary. Jean-Louis Pinault (talk) 09:32, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I suggest working on the sourcing a bit before submitting the draft for review, Jean-Louis Pinault. Sentences such as "Direct observation of these waves from their geostrophic current or from sea surface perturbations is not possible because these data have only been known since the early 1990s" and "The North Atlantic gyre appears further north than it should be" should be supported by references (unless those statements are supported by sources already cited later in the respective paragraphs, in which case I'd suggest repeating the citation to make that clear). Cordless Larry (talk) 10:42, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Do you think this draft is ready
Greenstreet Sunny's Highway 27 22:17, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- thank you Sunny's Highway 27 16:24, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Respecting other elements' border areas and using width:auto; of custom CSS template
For {{Colored box}} that I've used on User:Waddie96/sandbox2: The template doesn't respect the floating components on the page, despite me putting width: auto;
on in Template:Colored box/style.css. Are you able to assist? waddie96 ★ (talk) 15:21, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- For technical issues such as this, it's probably better to ask at WP:VPT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Done waddie96 ★ (talk) 16:05, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Wikilinks
Is it correct that only the first mention of a term in an article should have a wikilink? Is it acceptable, if the same term is linked multiple times, to unlink those subsequent links? I'm just starting out and probably overthinking. BiblioGator (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @BiblioGator In general, yes, but please read WP:REPEATLINK for the full policy. Shantavira|feed me 17:26, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Shantavira Thanks for your help and the link! BiblioGator (talk) 17:39, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Guidance on first edit in a while
Hello Wikipedians, I have recently took up editing on Wikipedia again, and since I was never a pro at it, I would like to know if there is a way someone can proofread the article Taraba State in order to see if I have made too bold of a move. I would rather get reverted than spread misinformation or break the don't unnecessarily change formats rule. Or if this is not the platform for it, can you guide me to a way I can ask someone to kind of mentor me for a bit? Pimlokto (talk) 22:18, 25 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Pimlokto: Apologies for the late response; I don't see any serious issues with your edit.
- You can find a mentor at Special:Homepage. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:30, 29 July 2025 (UTC)
Help with Caswell County and Yanceyville, NC
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Caswell County was GA reviewed but failed. I'm unwell and fortunately cannot continue editing for the project as before. If editors could step forward and review it and make necessary edits to improve it and also Yanceyville, North Carolina which is also up for GA review, it would be very appreciated. Both articles needs better lead-ins to summarize the whole thing. The history section of each is rather extensive and could be edited so follows the feedback of not being a "mess". Thanks so much Peabodyb (talk) 18:45, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- This isn't an issue for The Teahouse, so I'm hatting it. I've copied your post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject North Carolina. Wishing you well. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:01, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Policy editing
Where is the place, in which people propose and discuss changes to Wikipedia's Policy? Can i propose some changes to Wikipedia's Policy in such place? 95.167.182.48 (talk) 08:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Try the Village Pump. You may want to examine WP:PERENNIAL to see if what you want to propose has been discussed before. 331dot (talk) 08:50, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- More specifically WP:VPP. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Is there a Sequel to....
....Battleship the movie, the one in which the USS Missouri took out aliens? Seen this all over the place on the 'net. May make a nice article.216.247.72.142 (talk) 14:21, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- This page is for asking about how to edit Wikipedia. You might try asking at WP:REFDESK/H. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:25, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I think the entertainment reference desk would be a better fit for IP's question. PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 18:45, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Hip Hop
Hello.
I want to improve coverage of African hip-hop artists on Wikipedia but have trouble locating reliable sources accepted by Wikipedia’s standards. Where can I find credible and detailed information on African musicians their albums and careers? Any guidance would be really helpful Thilio (talk) 12:22, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Thilio You could look at articles in Category:Hip-hop by country to see what sort of sources have been found for the musicians we already have. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:41, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Al-Falah Mosque (Belize)
I am writing this article and found that in this page was existed in past but now deleted. But I found multiple a very trusted sources, see this draft
please bring back this article. 獅眠洞 (talk) 14:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @獅眠洞 The deletion was done because the original article had a single poor source. I've added a template to allow you to submit the draft for review. I'm not sufficiently experienced on the topic to know whether the current draft will meet the notability requirements but an experienced reviewer will give you advice if more work is needed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:56, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank u,
- Actually I think that this deleted page can be in bring back to Wikipedia that's why I am asking this question here. 獅眠洞 (talk) 03:48, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Advice for parents
On there, it says "For legal reasons, nothing inside our database is permanently deleted." Does anyone have more insights into why this is the case? 142.169.80.116 (talk) 18:59, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- One reason involves copyright. All contributors make their additions to the pages using a Creative Commons license that requires attribution. In order to preserve who made what contributions and maintain that chain, you have to be able to view page histories. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 20:00, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor: note that the "you" in Darth's answer means a limited number of people, not the general public. Hence if a child makes a disclosure they should not have done it can be concealed in various ways up to and including Wikipedia:Oversight. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:37, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
why was my page on pedophilia in the bible deemed inappropriate
the fact is pedophilia being allowed is clearly listed as a law allowed by YHWH in the torah so why was my page deemed inappropriate Adam900022 (talk) 14:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Can templatestyles be used for an article?
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I see no prohibition of such usage on the linked page whatsoever.
Asking because some editors didn't like my attempt to get rid of repetitive inline styles in the List of missing aircraft article. @Sophisticatedevening: and @45dogs: what's your main objection here? Sapphaline (talk) 13:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- The problem is that it is definitely not necessary for mainspace and should not be used there, and also I believe it doesn't work there anyway. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 14:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- ...but
not necessary
isn't "wrong" or "harmful", right? should not be used there
- why? Sapphaline (talk) 14:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)- Articles do not need special css, everything needed is already there. I'm not sure what you are trying to do there but there is most like an existing template for it that can do the same thing, and if not then you can make one in templatespace, then transclude it on the article. You don't need a broken templatestyles in mainspace. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 14:15, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Sapphaline: CSS pages are disabled in mainspace, and so are subpages indicated with a slash. List of missing aircraft/styles.css was neither a CSS page nor a subpage. It was an oddly named article and I have deleted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh, I didn't know. Sapphaline (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Sapphaline: CSS pages are disabled in mainspace, and so are subpages indicated with a slash. List of missing aircraft/styles.css was neither a CSS page nor a subpage. It was an oddly named article and I have deleted it. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:25, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Articles do not need special css, everything needed is already there. I'm not sure what you are trying to do there but there is most like an existing template for it that can do the same thing, and if not then you can make one in templatespace, then transclude it on the article. You don't need a broken templatestyles in mainspace. Sophisticatedevening(talk) 14:15, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- ...but
Uploading a picture of a man who died 100+ years ago
I have created a page about a man who died in 1918. I found two or three pictures of the man on the Slovak Literary Centre website but there is no information about license under which these pictures were published. However, since these pictures are now at least 107 years old, they are very likely to be public ___domain. Nonetheless as both their author and the publication venue is unknown, it is not possible for me to verify this. Can I upload a picture on the commons and use it? Or should I contact the Centre and inquiry about the conditions for using these pictures on Wikipedia? Newklear007 (talk) 12:22, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Contact the organization to confirm those images are in public ___domain. Ahri Boy (talk) 12:54, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Newklear007 For deceased individuals, we allow pictures to be used in the infobox of their articles under WP:FAIRUSE rules, provided you upload the image only to en:Wikipedia and fill in all the details required. If you wanted to include the image on Commons to use in all language versions of WP, you should ask about its copyright status at Commons:Village_pump/Copyright, giving the URL of the source, assuming you have it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:24, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- +1 to Mike's latter suggestion.
- See also c:COM:Copyright rules by territory/Slovakia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:33, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
IP Addresses
Why are so many IP adresses blocked on Wikipedia (for example, 111.94.178.159 and 2000:100f:b076:dd47:5219:cac8:f91:220b)? Why do I have to use alternate WiFi or email to create accounts? It’s so annoying! InfinityGtam (talk) 19:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Some IP addresses are blocked to prevent malicious edits. This is often because you are using a VPN, iCloud private relay, Tor, or the like. If you are using one of those, I would advise turning it off and then restarting wikipedia on a new window. If needed, you can request an IP block exemption. CoolFrog82 (talk) 19:38, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Request for page patrol: Kocaeli Health and Technology University
Dear patrollers,
The article Kocaeli Health and Technology University was created over six months ago and still remains unpatrolled. I kindly request a review and patrol of the page, if possible.
Thank you for your time and help. Newinwiki8 (talk) 18:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Just a note to say that I began to review the article and flag some issues, and Newinwiki8 apparently didn't like my assessment. They're now blocked for 48 hours for attempting to remove an AN/I thread about their behaviour. AndyTheGrump has left them some helpful advice at User talk:Newinwiki8#A word of advice. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:38, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
public page
I've logged in. I've created a user page. I see that I'm now considered an editor. I was trying to creat and post a public page. I was a leading dancer in the 80s and had my own touring show for 8 years in the 2000s. I've created some recent art and have a YouTube channel. How might I go about this? Regan Patno (talk) 16:40, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Regan Patno, and welcome to the Teahouse, and to Wikipedia.
- I'm afraid that the simple answer is, You don't.
- If you meet English Wikipedia's criteria for notability (or the more general criteria GNG) then there can be an article about you. You are strongly advised not to attempt this yourself, as most people are not able to distance themselves adequately to create autobiographical articles successfully.
- Note that if there is ever an article about you (whoever creates it), it will not belong to you, it will not be controlled by you, it will not necessarily say what you would like it to say, and it will be based on what people wholly unconnected with you have published about you, not on what you or your associates say or want to say.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 17:21, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I will work on other things in other areas of my life for now and let others see me as significant in history as worthy of a Wiki public page.
- Neutrally, I do believe I meet your criteria, but also recognize it's not my view that matters.
- Thank you again. Regan Patno (talk) 17:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
DKA class F10
thumb|An F10 on display at the Ambarawa Railway Museum
The category of steam locomotives in Indonesia is rather bare, but I think that the category is slowly progressing with the articles on the CC50 and the E10 rack railway engines. The F10’s are large 12 driver tank engines built between 1912 and 1920 and were used for freight work. Their smaller yet large brother the E10 has it’s own article, but what about the F10’s? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Your question is unclear. If you mean:
- Can there be an article about the F10s? - Yes, if there are three or more sources abut them that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE
- How do I write an article about them? - See WP:Your first article.
- Will someone write an article about them for me? - Probably not, but you can ask at WT:WikiProject Trains to see if anyone is interested.
- -- Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:32, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I asked if there can be an article? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor. Andy's reply is clear. There can be but only if someone takes time and effort to write it based on reliable published sources. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:31, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I asked if there can be an article? 199.192.122.199 (talk) 17:25, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Florence Nightingale
Florence Nightingale's section titled the Lady with the Lamp has made me come to the Teahouse to ask if it is okay to put Wikipedia library links into a citation, because they are only available for certain Wikipedians. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 08:51, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Thelifeofan413 No, please don't do that for the reason you mention. You can give the citation in the form of {{cite book}}, {{cite news}} without a link or in many cases will be able to convert the link into one which will in principle work directly, although the result may still be paywalled and prevent most users reaching it. If you tell us here which link you wanted to use, we may be able to give more advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:58, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- THis is the link:
- The Sick And Wounded Fund. Thelifeofan413 (talk) 17:53, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Thelifeofan413 A shorter link is
https://link-gale-com.wikipedialibrary.idm.oclc.org/apps/doc/CS118000712/TTDA?u=wikipedia&sid=bookmark-TTDA&pg=7&xid=ca5ad163
but I don't know how to make that work directly at Gale. Maybe someone else will help. Meanwhile, since this is The Times from 1855, I suggest you just use {{cite news}} and leave out the link. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:46, 1 August 2025 (UTC)- The version of that link without the Wikipedia Library bits is https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/CS118000712/TTDA, Thelifeofan413. I had to work that out by manually editing the URL (not sure if there's a better way). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Thelifeofan413 Well done Cordless Larry! That link still requires that anyone clicking it has access via a university, school or conventional library, so you should add the |url-access= parameter to the citation if you use it (see template documentation). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks to everyone that participated in this conversation so much. I will use this in the article.
- @Cordless Larry
- @Michael D. Turnbull Thelifeofan413 (talk) 07:58, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Thelifeofan413 Well done Cordless Larry! That link still requires that anyone clicking it has access via a university, school or conventional library, so you should add the |url-access= parameter to the citation if you use it (see template documentation). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- The version of that link without the Wikipedia Library bits is https://link.gale.com/apps/doc/CS118000712/TTDA, Thelifeofan413. I had to work that out by manually editing the URL (not sure if there's a better way). Cordless Larry (talk) 16:52, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Thelifeofan413 A shorter link is
Draft about musician Rapide
Hello everyone, I am working on a draft article about the German electronic musician Rapide in my user sandbox. I would appreciate any feedback on notability, structure, and sources before I submit it for review.
Here is the link to my sandbox:
I am a new editor interested in writing about electronic music and related topics. This is one of my first drafts, so I am happy for any guidance or suggestions.
Thanks in advance for your time and advice! Best regards, Musicpeak Musicpeak (talk) 10:45, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I've moved this to draft space, Draft:RAPIDE, and added the appropriate information to allow you to submit the draft for review. 331dot (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks again for moving the draft and the info!
- Do you think the draft is ready to be submitted for review now, or should I make any more changes beforehand?
- Also, could you please change the draft title to “Draft:Rapide (musician)” to avoid confusion with other uses of Rapide? That would be really helpful.
- Would appreciate your feedback. Thanks a lot!
- Best regards, Musicpeak Musicpeak (talk) 11:25, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Moved as requested, but no, this is not ready—far from it. See WP:NMUSICIAN for our requirements for a musician to qualify to have an article.
- Are you the subject? If so, or if you have a connection to them, please see WP:PAID, WP:COI and WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:29, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, that’s really helpful. Musicpeak (talk) 11:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Is there any Japanese language related work I can do?
- 私にできる日本語関係の作業はありますか?
Hello.
I added the hiragana reading to the article about Tokugawa Ieyasu, but it was removed during the editing process. Are there other types of edits on the English Wikipedia (such as translation work) that are less likely to be deleted? I’d appreciate your answer.
*This message was translated into English using a machine translation tool.* Hdialk (talk) 09:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Hdialk: one suggestion if you want to do translation work to improve English Wikipedia is by adding text translated from Japanese Wikipedia. See Category:Articles needing translation from Japanese Wikipedia, and you can choose any article and work on it! —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {u - t? -
uselessc} 10:31, 31 July 2025 (UTC)- Thank you for your reply. I will check the Japanese Wikipedia "Category:Articles that need translation" and start editing. Hdialk (talk) 12:18, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hdialk, your addition of 「とくがわいえやす」 seems very odd to me as a (perhaps inadequate) skim-read suggests that it's in a context for 「とくがわいへやす」. But my grasp of 旧仮名づかい is minimal, so perhaps I misunderstand. ¶ Talk of names reminds me: I'd welcome an article here about 有職読み. -- Hoary (talk) 11:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your reply. I appreciate you pointing out the mistake. Hdialk (talk) 12:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Wikispecies needs translations of some taxonomic and related terms, into many languages, including Japanese. Please see the list at species:Wikispecies:Localization.
- Wikidata welcomes translations of item labels and descriptions, again in many languages including Japanese. See d:Help:Multilingual.
- You might prefer to translate material from the English Wikipedia to the Japanese Wikipedia; see WP:Translate us. (It's always easier to translate into your native language, and that way you learn new English vocabulary as well.)
- You can use WP:Babel on all of these projects, to indicate which languages you can read and wrote, and how well. ON\ Wikidata, it is required, to make labels & descriptions in those languages show up for you.
- If you prefer to communicate in Japanese on this project, you may do so at WT:Embassy (see also WP:Embassy). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Need Sandbox turned into Article
I need User:107.191.2.10/sandbox turned into an article Acidcvltllc (talk) 00:19, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- No,you don't. You need food, air, water. You want that draft approved and moved into mainspace, which in its current condition is not going to happen because your only source is Mr Simone's Spotify page. DS (talk) 00:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The draft, unfortunately, is nowhere near mainspace-ready at this time. It has one source, to Simone's spotify, which I'd assume is user-generated and self-published (thus making it unacceptable). Do you have any connection to Simone? Are you him, are you being paid by him to write an article, etc.? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 00:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Acidcvltllc, what very little User:107.191.2.10/sandbox says is confusing. Is this fellow a musician, or is he a project that consists of himself? -- Hoary (talk) 00:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- May I ask, are you Simone? There are quite a lot of musicians who try to start articles on themselves but aren’t well-versed in Wikipedia policy.
- WP:COI explains why people can’t create articles based on themselves. If you have any questions, please ask. If you perceive me as being aggressive, that isn’t my intention. 22ManzanaBoy (talk) 13:12, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Acidcvltllc, what very little User:107.191.2.10/sandbox says is confusing. Is this fellow a musician, or is he a project that consists of himself? -- Hoary (talk) 00:42, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The draft, unfortunately, is nowhere near mainspace-ready at this time. It has one source, to Simone's spotify, which I'd assume is user-generated and self-published (thus making it unacceptable). Do you have any connection to Simone? Are you him, are you being paid by him to write an article, etc.? PhoenixCaelestis (Talk · Contributions) 00:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Not gonna happen unless you can demonstrate clearly that Simone meets at least one of the criteria described in WP:MUSICBIO. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:09, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- I have moved the page to Draft:Nick Simone. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:57, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
new village information
- new village information is present or not then add info
Hi, I would like to create a Wikipedia page for a village named Sonurle in [Kolhapur, Maharashtra, India]. It has a population of 1739 and is mentioned in official census data. RutujaKarale (talk) 17:18, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- @RutujaKarale Welcome to the Teahouse. You can certainly attempt to create such an article but as a newcomer it would be best to use the WP:Articles for creation process so that experienced editors can review your work to ensure it is OK. There is a description of our notability guidelines for settlements, which the village should meet. However, I suggest you read a recent essay at this link which gives additional guidance. An alternative would be to add cited information about the village at the existing article about Kolhapur. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:28, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @RutujaKarale, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Creating articles is an extremely difficult process. I would advise against new users creating articles until they have at least 100 edits (probably more) and have read Wikipedia policy. Article creation is a much more complex process than it used to be. 22ManzanaBoy (talk) 13:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Conflict of interest acceptable?
I've just created my first Wikipedia page called ROSI, Ratio of Orthostatic Indices. I'm a General Practitioner in the UK with a special interest in using postural changes in systolic blood pressure and heart rate in the detection of conditions that can cause shock such as sepsis, dehydration and bleeding. I thought I was the first to come up with the formula only to recently discover Prof Witting had created it in 2003. I have a copy of the full paper he wrote in 2003 and have just added the bare minimum of detail to the page to avoid any impression of undue bias. I'd like to submit a rapid response to a British Medical Journal article on the detection of early detection of sepsis using his formula. Does my having the same goal as he, namely to help educate clinicians to use this simple technique, count as a conflict of interest? If so, given the potential benefits can the page remain?
ROSI, Ratio of Orthostatic Shock Indices. Katonas (talk) 21:29, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Katonas, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm not sure whether that would count as a conflict of interest or not: citing your own papers certainly is, but reporting on something which you have independently worked on, I'm not sure.
- However, I don't think this matters much, because if the only source you have is Witting's article, then this is not suitable for a Wikipedia article.
- A Wikipedia article should be a summary of reliable secondary sources - and for medical articles in particular, there is a higher standard for sources: see MEDRS.
- Note that "potential benefits" of a Wikipedia article are of zero relevance as far as Wikipedia is concerned. Wikipedia is not a vehicle for "getting the message out there", no matter how significant or beneficial the message might be. Wikipedia is only interested in things that have already been secondarily written about, by people unconnected with the originators. ColinFine (talk) 22:16, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you Colin, as far as I know Prof Witting's formula has never been used in a trial or written about until I came up with the same formula independently (without ever having heard of a shock index) and created an online calculator for it in 2017. I've written two online letters about it, one to the BMJ and another to the BJGP mentioning an audit of 70 patients I'd calculated a score on. A few months ago I emailed Prof Witting for advice and he informed me he'd created the same formula 14 years before me. It's simply a mathematical way of converting four physiological variables into one number.
- If we deleted the bit about what a normal value should be, leaving only the formula, would that be acceptable?
- I find it strange there is no page dedicated to the shock index (SI) given there are countless publications on it including multiple variations incorporating other parameters such as age. Not mentioning the existence of ROSI as simply the ratio of two shock indices on such a page would be quite an omission. I didn't want to write a page on the SI as it's such a big topic. Katonas (talk) 23:41, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Inclusion of what the normal value should be isn't really your problem here, Katonas. What you'd need to demonstrate for the topic to be acceptable as the subject of a Wikipedia article is that it's been written about in some depth by multiple authors who are independent of it. This requirement is neatly summarised at WP:42. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Regarding 'sources independent to the subject', I presume a reputable Journal is counted as being independent. In this case, there should be no problem creating a more detailed page for the Shock Index (SI) which already has a brief mention on another Wikipedia page (link below). Currently by the criteria you mention, I'm not sure even that has enough references on its page (only 3) as they discuss its clinical use. I'm also not sure whether the data they show from a paper should be allowed.
- Hypovolemic shock#Diagnosis. Katonas (talk) 08:01, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- A journal article is independent if the author isn't the person who came up with the concept. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:31, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Larry, on reflection I suppose I could write a page referring to all the ways in which the Shock Index (SI) has been used and reference multiple studies and the conclusions from review articles. Is there a limit to the number of references you can add to a page?
- I could also email Prof Witting again and ask whether he has any other references confirming the existence of his formula (Ratio of Shock Indexes). I had assumed the strict criteria for medical articles would refer to information regarding the clinical interetation and use of such a formula, rather than simply acknowledging its existence.
- I'll read the link you just added. Apologies, I was in the middle of writing this when you replied. Katonas (talk) 07:49, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- There's no limit on the number of references, no. But to emphasise, it's not about confirming the existence of a formula, but rather than it meets Wikipedia's notability criteria that are summarised by WP:42. Lots of things exist but don't qualify for Wikipedia articles. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:32, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello again @Katonas. Shock Index is already discussed at Hypovolemic shock#Diagnosis. If you think that Shock Index has been independently discussed several times in literature that meets WP:MEDRS, then it is possible you can write an article about it, based on those discussions; and those might include discussion of particular studies or formulations. But papers which use or refer to it, without discussing it specifically, will not help to establish notability, though some of them may be appropriate to refer to once there is enough to establish that. ColinFine (talk) 14:23, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Inclusion of what the normal value should be isn't really your problem here, Katonas. What you'd need to demonstrate for the topic to be acceptable as the subject of a Wikipedia article is that it's been written about in some depth by multiple authors who are independent of it. This requirement is neatly summarised at WP:42. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
update an article about a college
Friends,
I need advice on how to update an article about a college (LaGrange College). I work there, and some of the statistics are especially dated.
I believe the last time we tried to update the information, the edits were denied. Guidance would be appreciated.LaGrange College Dean.allen1202 (talk) 14:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @Dean.allen1202 Welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for declaring your connection to the College, which means you also need to follow the mandatory procedure described at WP:PAID. Wikipedia relies on material being cited to reliable sources, so you should propose changes to the article on its Talk Page, perhaps using the edit request wizard so your suggestions will be noticed by editors who specialise in fulfilling (or not) such requests. See also WP:ASFAQ for some general advice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:45, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Is hyperpunk notable?
I wanted to make a draft for the music genre hyperpunk (i.e., hyperpop + pop-punk), but after trying to find significant coverage of the genre I've struggled to a lot. Can anyone tell me if hyperpunk is notable, and should have its own page or section? HardcorePunkRat (talk) 16:50, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Doesn't sound like it's notable for its own article. If you found a single reliable source then I think it can be mentioned in the Pop music or Punk rock articles. TurboSuperA+[talk] 17:20, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Mentioned here, so that's one source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! I'll try to make a section in the hyperpop article and redirect the hyperpunk page to that. HardcorePunkRat (talk) 20:10, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Mentioned here, so that's one source. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:53, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Draft: Dianne Valencia
Courtesy link: User:MarieAnne25/sandbox
Hi, I’m seeking further advice regarding my draft article on Dianne Valencia. The article is currently in my userspace. I’ve followed feedback and included properly formatted offline citations using {{cite magazine}} from reliable Philippine publications (MOD Girl, GIRL Magazine, Mr. & Ms., Candy, etc.), mostly from 1999–2004. These are full cover features and multi-page editorials — not interviews — and I’ve listed all required bibliographic details (dates, page numbers, publishers, etc.). The challenge is that: These sources are offline only (pre-digital era), and cannot be found online. I do possess high-quality scans of these articles and covers, but I understand I can’t upload them unless the article is accepted or moved to mainspace due to copyright and notability rules. The article was declined at AfC, likely due to the offline nature of the sources. I’ve rewritten and restructured the draft to address concerns, but I’m unsure how to demonstrate notability clearly when coverage exists, but is not digitally archived. My questions: Are properly cited offline sources (from notable print magazines with substantial features) acceptable for establishing notability? If yes, what is the best next step? Should I submit it again to AfC or request a move to mainspace via WP:RM or WP:AFC/R? Is there anything else I can do to support verifiability when the sources are offline? Thanks so much for your time and help! — User:MarieAnne25 MarieAnne25 (talk) 17:15, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- @MarieAnne25: No, MarieAnne25, you can't use those scans full-stop, as you'd understand if you actually listened to what I said on -en-help. We cannot so much as link to copyright-violating material. Your problem is your draft is a poorly-cited biography of a still-living person that reads more like a CV than an encyclopaedia article. Offline cites are good enough, but your problem is that you have nowhere near enough of them to support the article, and what you do have are all incomplete cites (missing article name, article byline, and page numbers; we don't cite covers). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 17:21, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Above, MarieAnne25, you write: "I do possess high-quality scans of these articles and covers...." In "Notes", you write: "Scans of the cited magazines are in the subject’s possession...." If you are Dianne Valencia (or more precisely the person who previously used that name), then an "autobiography" template is appropriate; if you aren't, please explain. -- Hoary (talk) 22:34, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Number of Accounts
How many accounts can I make? 205.175.106.10 (talk) 21:30, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- There is no specific limitation on the number of accounts you may have, provided you are not using them for a forbidden purpose, such as sock-puppeting (eg, making it look as if several different editors are contributing to a discussion when there is only you) or evading a block.
- See WP:SOCKLEGIT. ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- The practical answer is: one. One account is all the vast majority of people need. There are legitimate reasons to have more than one, but those are special circumstances. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
Edit Reverted By Suspicious Account
A user has left a message on my talk page (titled July 2025) talking about reverting an edit which I made to this page (I don't know how to link the specific edit but it is my most recent). I don't mind my edits being reverted because I'm very new and I am sure I make mistakes all the time, but all I did was remove some italicizations on some apostrophes that are not a part of the (correctly) italicized publications. The reason I bring it up here and not with that user or the article's talk page is because the user has the username"ivebeenhacked" which makes me wary of engaging with them in any way, as I am not sure if that's just their username or if I'm being notified somehow that it is a hacked account.
I'd appreciate any information on what I should do (if anything at all) or what is going on (do I have any reason to be paranoid?). Thanks! DavidL87 (talk) 21:38, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Generally, it is best to provide an edit summary for every edit, it helps other editors understand your edits from the page history and when reviewing your changes, such as in this case. You could try doing the same edit again with a summary explaining your changes, i.e. as you say
all I did was remove some italicizations on some apostrophes that are not a part of the (correctly) italicized publications.
— Tenshi! (Talk page) 21:48, 31 July 2025 (UTC) - Hello, @DavidL87, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- @Ivebeenhacked appears to have been renamed from User:CreatorOfMinecraftHerobrine on 2023-02-17, and has nearly 10 thousands edits in their history, so I don't think you need to worry about the name.
- Your edit looks reasonable to me, but you didn't provide an edit summary explaining what your rather arcane code was doing. I suggest replying to Ivebeenhacked, explaining. (see WP:BRD) ColinFine (talk) 21:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the advice and assurance! It was done manually—I'm not sure how to run any kind of code on wikipedia. I'll be sure to let them know. DavidL87 (talk) 22:06, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- Hello everyone. I apologise for causing trouble here as I should've looked more into the edit instead of rushing. Again, I apologise. Hacked (Talk|Contribs) 23:49, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
\{\{Cleanup\}\} in the Perplexity AI article
The Perplexity AI article has improved and addressed the specific issues mentioned in the cleanup request. So, on the one hand, the cleanup template needs to be revised, but on the other hand, I am not sure if the cleanup request can be removed entirely. Hopefully, someone with more experience can take a look. Thx
Requesting assistance on behalf of IP editor
On Template talk:Islam and iman, 2405:6E00:628:8F99:E0B8:9B1:7D84:E5D7 (talk · contribs · WHOIS) is requesting that template width be standardized between several Islam-related templates. Since I'm not as familiar with infobox syntax, I'd like to bring this to the attention of more experienced editors — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 20:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- WP:VPT would be a better place to ask. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:55, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the suggestion, I will move the topic over — 🪫Volatile 📲T | ⌨️C 21:08, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Quote box not floating
{{Quote box}} on Right Opposition below Emergence but displays below either Fate of the Russian Right Opposition or the end of the float of {{Marxism sidebar}}. Why is it doing that? Is it something wrong at {{Marxism sidebar}}? Or is {{quote box}} the problem? What about {{quote frame}}? waddie96 ★ (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Waddie96 This is a general problem with the multitude of possible screen widths on readers' devices. The sidebars always appear far right and other items such as the quote box get squeezed out on some devices. You could try
|align=left
for the quote box but that may still look ugly on some screens. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:02, 4 August 2025 (UTC) - I've reordered the content, which might help, but as Mike Turnbull says you can never guarantee the layout on every device. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:21, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks guys waddie96 ★ (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Citations don't fit the statement
I am seeing a statement that is cited in VinFuture Prize but the two citations provided do not verify the statement. This is the section titled Establishment. I'm new, what do we do when we find something like this? BiblioGator (talk) 18:34, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @BiblioGator In that case, you can do one or more of three things:
- (1) just remove the statement and its citations.
- (2) search around on the internet and elsewhere and see if you can verify the claims. You don't need to spend too long on this; just something beyond a superficial Google Search. If you can verify (or mostly verify) the claims, then replace the citations and reword to match what's said in the references if necessary. If you can't verify, then it's probably best to go to step 1, since it may be a hoax. Alternatively, you can move on to step 3...
- (3) add the {{failed verification}} tag to the article just after the citations, like this: [1][2][failed verification].
- Cheers, Cremastra (talk · contribs) 18:47, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for your help. BiblioGator (talk) 19:05, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Declined Article Draft for RDIAS
Hello Teahouse
I'm a new editor working on an article draft about Rukmini Devi Institute of Advanced Studies (RDIAS). I recently submitted it through Articles for Creation, but unfortunately, it was declined.
I would appreciate your help in understanding why the article was declined and what specific improvements or sources are needed to make it acceptable for publication on Wikipedia.
The institution is affiliated with Guru Gobind Singh Indraprastha University, is AICTE approved, and NAAC A accredited, with active academic programs in MBA, BBA, and B.Com (Hons). I tried to follow a neutral tone, but I'm open to feedback.
Here is the draft: [Rukmini Devi Institute of Advanced Studies] Any guidance on notability, reliable sources, and article structure would be great.
Any guidance on notability, reliable sources, and article structure would be great.
Thank you so much for your time and help!
— @RDResearcher2025 RDResearcher2025 (talk) 08:56, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- You need to address the inquiry on your user talk page, or you may be blocked from editing.
- Declined reviews must remain on the draft until it is accepted. Please review those messages carefully, as they state the reason the draft has been declined. 331dot (talk) 09:01, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @RDResearcher2025, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 10:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Paragraph headers?
you know the ones, the ones that so elegently section an article into different sections, you know the ones! Im sorry if I am using overly informal language I am new to wikipedia, (just started yesterday.) I enjoy webcomics (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- See Help:Section. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:39, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Trying to become a good Wikipediana :)
Hello, can somebody help me get my first article published? I had a bunch of questions about the review I got.
It's posted here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Ralf_S._Engelschall
LarsArtmann (talk) 10:10, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @LarsArtmann. Just a note for the future, when you make replies to editors please ping them in so they are notified. @Caleb Stanford likely never saw your message on the Talk Paage.
- You didn't answer the question on if AI was used to create this draft - can you confirm it an AI chatbot was used at all?
- You can link to other language Wikis via the Help:Interwiki linking process. qcne (talk) 11:50, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't think confirmation from LarsArtmann is needed; it's pretty obvious that much of the article is AI-generated. The formatting and the citations to group chats, blogs, and GitHub are hallmarks. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:19, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- @LarsArtmann: Hi Lars! I have responded to your questions at Draft talk:Ralf S. Engelschall. Kind regards, Caleb Stanford (talk) 16:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Peter Dawe
- - Pipex / Unipalm - father of UK commercial internet
Hi, I'm too close to the subject as he is a friend. But, wondering why Peter Dawe is not included in this page? He already has a wikipage. Hope OK to ask this. 2A02:C7C:7595:9600:680E:54E6:19B0:C1A9 (talk) 13:00, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Maybe no one has ever suggested it? You may do so on Talk:List of Internet pioneers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:43, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- IP editor: that list has a rather specific set of criteria to have a mini-biography in the main part of the article, with a number of other names who don't meet any of those criteria placed at the end. Thus it would be best if your suggestion included at least one citation to illustrate where in the list Peter Dawe should be placed. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:32, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Draft:Seafarer Exploration
Hi! I previously posted here under a different username that has since been renamed to meet Wikipedia’s username policy. I’ve disclosed my COI and paid status on my user page. I’m working on a well-sourced draft about Seafarer Exploration, a publicly traded company focused on underwater rescue archaeology. The sandbox draft is located here: User:FloridaMaritimeHistorian/sandbox Could an uninvolved editor please review the draft and advise whether it’s suitable for submission or what improvements are needed? Thanks so much for your time! FloridaMaritimeHistorian (talk) 05:05, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- You say it's well sourced, but hardly any of the sentences, let alone entire paragraphs, use inline citations. Note that press releases, financial statements, company profiles, and so on are not independent of the company and therefore those sources do nothing to establish notability.
- I recommend you read WP:CORP carefully, to understand what an article about a company needs. A brief overview can be found at WP:Golden Rule. ~Anachronist (talk) 06:27, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for renaming yourself, FloridaMaritimeHistorian. I've moved the draft to Draft:Seafarer Exploration. Anachronist (above) and I (in a reviewer comment) agree with each other. You have a lot of work to do. -- Hoary (talk) 06:36, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @Hoary, @Anachronist — thank you for moving the article and pointing me in the right direction.
- I’m now working to revise the draft based on community feedback and want to be sure I stay in bounds with Wikipedia’s notability and sourcing standards. I’ve read the WP:CORP and WP:GNG guidelines carefully, and I’m revisiting every source to ensure it’s independent and significant.
- If any editors are willing to point out specific areas that still read as promotional or unsourced, I’ll fix them right away. My goal is to submit a version that aligns fully with Wikipedia's expectations.
- Thanks again for your time,
- – FloridaMaritimeHistorian FloridaMaritimeHistorian (talk) 16:49, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @FloridaMaritimeHistorian, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please note that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. And that's even without the COI issue. ColinFine (talk) 10:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
Help with Unresponsive Talk Page Proposal for Rohith Vemula Edit
Hello, I’m a new editor and proposed an update to the Rohith Vemula talk page on July 12, 2025, to include findings from the 2024 Telangana Police closure report stating that Vemula was not a Dalit but belonged to the Vaddera (OBC) caste, with his suicide possibly linked to fears of caste identity exposure. The proposal cites reliable sources: The New Indian Express, NDTV, and India Today. Suggested text: "In May 2024, the Telangana Police filed a closure report with the Telangana High Court, concluding that Rohith Vemula was not a Dalit but belonged to the Vaddera (OBC) caste. The report suggested that his suicide may have been influenced by fears that his caste identity would be exposed, as he and his family had obtained Scheduled Caste certificates. The police found no evidence that actions by university officials or others directly led to Vemula’s suicide, giving a clean chit to all accused." There’s been no response for three weeks. Can someone advise how to move this forward or get feedback? Thanks!
Sierradonnie (talk) 18:08, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi, @Sierradonnie: Next time please use Template:Edit request when making a request as otherwise editors might not see stuff. I will do it for you on this occasion :) —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {u - t? -
uselessc} 18:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)- thanks a ton! I'm quite new hence the mistake, will use the template from next time. Sierradonnie (talk) 19:25, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Editing references "authority control"
Hi. I am trying to fix some issues on this page - Giovanni Aloi - and when I scroll to the reference section in the editor it says "authority control". I looked it up to learn more about it, but am not sure how I can edit this. Can you please advise? Thank you! CrissCollab (talk) 19:30, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- See Template:Authority control. So long as you leave the
{{Authority control}}
template code undisturbed, you can edit anything before or after it. - You may, though, find it easier to edit categories using WP:HOTCAT. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:14, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
First large-scale edit
Hello!
I've done a number of Newcomer tasks and citation hunt edits, and have just made my first large expansion of an article, Bortle scale (diff). I would love confirmation that my changes were productive. Is it enough to upgrade the article's rating in its talk page from Start to C? RN Andreww (talk) 20:22, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not a subject expert, but I don't see any glaring errors. You added a citation to the lede, which generally we don't do—the lede should
citesummarise things that are cited in the body of the article. - WP:RATER agrees this is C-class. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:51, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Or rather, the lede should summarise things that are cited in the body of the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed, thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:12, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Or rather, the lede should summarise things that are cited in the body of the article. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:55, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Good work, RN Andreww; most definitely productive. But, unsurprisingly, there are lingering oddities. Within Limiting magnitude with 12.5" reflector is 15.2 I suspect that 12.5" was somebody's mistake for 12.5″ (not an ASCII non-directional double quotation mark, but a double prime). However, the MoS proscribes this as well. Putting aside for a moment the question of how to write "inch(es)", I must confess my ignorance of this technology: in this context, is "12.5 inch" straightforwardly a size, or is it instead a conventional description that no longer necessarily expresses a size? (For an admittedly extreme and ridiculous example of the latter, consider "ten-gallon hat".) If the former, I'd expect to see it expressed in millimetres. -- Hoary (talk) 23:44, 1 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you everyone for the advice! I've made changes in line with your suggestions.
12.5"
here is a size of a telescope, yeah – I changed most instances to 32 cm to dodge MOS:INCH and to match Bortle's original article. RN Andreww (talk) 03:01, 2 August 2025 (UTC)- @RN Andreww: You can always use the {{convert}} and {{cvt}} templates to help. For example,
{{convert|12.5|in|adj=on}}
produces 12.5-inch (320 mm). Bazza 7 (talk) 08:59, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @RN Andreww: You can always use the {{convert}} and {{cvt}} templates to help. For example,
- @RN Andreww, it's a definite improvement. The whole "Reception" section is new? And yes, C-class would be correct now. For B-class, more things would need citations. For example, it kind of looks like footnote 4 would cover "
Bortle was motivated to publish the scale in 2001 by increasing light pollution making true dark-sky sites inaccessible to many amateur astronomers.
" but it is (I think) only covering the end of the paragraph. It still meets WP:V, since there is enough info there that someone could verify it without the citation. All of the direct quotes are clearly and correctly marked as quotes with the sources cited. Good luck, Rjjiii (talk) 03:59, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Help with biography article
Hi Guys!
Drmies invided me over.
I started the biography below, and I've spent a cople of months on and off writing it, listening to feedback and trying to get it over the line. I saw the guy speaking a while ago and thought he was intersting enough for an article here.
Some of the feeback I recieved was the sources werent indpendent enough - I've found journals where he's been published and the university where he works at and other places not on the subject's website.
One person staid I should be usining scopus, but I'm told ORCID is what they use in this filed, the subject has an ORCID profile, but not a scopus one.
Any thoughs and advice would be appreciated.
Draft:Con Kennedy (graphic artist)
Many thanks AD Antediluvian2009 (talk) 14:13, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Please see WP:INDY for more on what we consider "independent", with regard to sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:27, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Much appreciate. I've tried to have as much 3rd pary spources as possible - I've nrewspaper articels, books and magaziens cited. But it still doens't seem to meet the critera, I'm at a bit of a loss to be honest about what eles I can add! :D Antediluvian2009 (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I know it's frustrating, but if the required sources don't (yet) exist, it may be that the subject does not (yet) qualify for a Wikipedia article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'd argue they do! I thought the article had a fair balance. Thanks for you help Antediluvian2009 (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- In that case, which three of your sources meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:04, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- These discuss the subject's work, independent of the subject and university:
- https://luc.devroye.org/fonts-27620.html
- https://www.evertype.com/celtscript/fonthist.html
- https://www.klingspor-museum.de/KlingsporKuenstler/Schriftdesigner/Kennedy/CKennedy.pdf
- https://web.archive.org/web/20150211184418/http://www.workformoneydesignforlove.com/contributors/
- This is a government agency
- https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/publications/publication-files/workshop-on-design-in-ireland.pdf
- Peer-revirewed Acadmeic papersand conferences
- https://designprinciplesandpractices.com/assets/downloads/design/G18FinalProgram_revised.pdf
- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/09504222211013742
- https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/09504222211013742
- books featuring the subject's work
- https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1592536905
- https://web.archive.org/web/20150211184418/http://www.workformoneydesignforlove.com/contributors/
- Media
- https://www.rte.ie/radio/radio1/clips/3135847/
- there's more in there, I thought these would have been enough Antediluvian2009 (talk) 19:34, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Which three... meet all of the requirements..? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:40, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I can see why Andy's getting frustrated. You list four cites as "discussing the subject's work, independent of the subject and university."
- For the first link, let's assume this Luc Devroye is a reliable source. It's a very short paragraph describing the very basic details of Kennedy without much depth. But let's be generous and call this one.
- None of the other three links have anything even that could even remotely be called a discussion. There's a link to his site. There's a link to his email address. There's another link to his site. At no point is anything discussed or any information about the subject provided other than the fact that he made some fonts. Significant coverage of a subject isn't simply seeing their name somewhere. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 03:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)
- but it idipendantly confirms the subject created these fonts. not from the subject, but a source independant of the subject.The fonts are just one part of the body of work Antediluvian2009 (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, but what's needed is significant coverage, not just verification of facts. Please see WP:42 on this. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:13, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- You have made zero changes to your draft since 15 May, and instead spent your time arguing—and ignoring advice—here. How much do you think that has improved the chances of your draft article being published? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:30, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I havent argued with anyone. I have improved the article based on the advice and feedback I've recieved from the community.And yes, I haven't made any significant edits in a while, as this is not the focus of my life.
- ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
- How is the content of my article different to this bigraphy?:
- Imogen Cotter
- This has 'passing mentions' and just verifies facts. Antediluvian2009 (talk) 12:10, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sources such as this and this provide much than passing mentions of her. Cordless Larry (talk) 12:24, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- In fact, Cotter is a good example of the sort of coverage that establishes notability. I did some searching and found multiple Irish Times articles about her, for instance (now added to the article). Cordless Larry (talk) 14:11, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Do these examoples help establish notability?
- Public art: https://www.dublincanvas.com/dublin-canvas-artist-profiles/con-kennedy
- International Design Publication: https://page-online.de/typografie/typedesignszene_irland/
- https://web.archive.org/web/20150211184418/http://www.workformoneydesignforlove.com/contributors/
- Government Work: https://enterprise.gov.ie/en/publications/publication-files/workshop-on-design-in-ireland.pdf Antediluvian2009 (talk) 14:28, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- These are just very brief mentions of him. Wikipedia articles are based on summarising what reliable sources tell us about a subject, and those sources tell us very little about Kennedy. Compare them to something like this, which can be used as the basis for an article about Cotter because it actually tells the reader meaningful, detailed things about her. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- there is already a published wikipedia article from 2012 featuring the subject
- Punt nua Antediluvian2009 (talk) 15:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- These are just very brief mentions of him. Wikipedia articles are based on summarising what reliable sources tell us about a subject, and those sources tell us very little about Kennedy. Compare them to something like this, which can be used as the basis for an article about Cotter because it actually tells the reader meaningful, detailed things about her. Cordless Larry (talk) 14:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- but it idipendantly confirms the subject created these fonts. not from the subject, but a source independant of the subject.The fonts are just one part of the body of work Antediluvian2009 (talk) 15:04, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- In that case, which three of your sources meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:04, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I'd argue they do! I thought the article had a fair balance. Thanks for you help Antediluvian2009 (talk) 15:21, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- I know it's frustrating, but if the required sources don't (yet) exist, it may be that the subject does not (yet) qualify for a Wikipedia article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:49, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
- Much appreciate. I've tried to have as much 3rd pary spources as possible - I've nrewspaper articels, books and magaziens cited. But it still doens't seem to meet the critera, I'm at a bit of a loss to be honest about what eles I can add! :D Antediluvian2009 (talk) 14:46, 30 July 2025 (UTC)
Scratch21 article?
Hi :-)
I wonder whether to create an article about furry rock band Scratch21? I think there would be some resources, plus their song are somewhat popular ("Aliens" - written differently, but whatever - has 1.5 million views on YT).
It just caught my attention that they have no article on Wikipedia and maybe they should? ;-)
Best wishes
-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 07:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Check out Help:Your first article. Make sure the article cites enough independent and reputable sources to establish notability.
- You can create the draft and practice in your sandbox. When you think the article is ready, you can submit it through Articles for Creation. TurboSuperA+[talk] 07:21, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992: If the band does not meet any of the criteria listed in WP:BAND, then it cannot have an article on Wikipedia. Note that YouTube views, iTunes downloads, and other crowdsource things are not notability criteria. ~Anachronist (talk) 11:26, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hm... Youtube views are not notability criteria? ;-) This is news for me ;-) Sorry, I come from Polish WIkipedia and I think (?) YT views was a kind of factor for that language edition? ;-)
- I will read the link you provided and see what I can do ;-)
- Best wishes!
- -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 21:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedias in other languages have their own rules. The English Wikipedia generally has higher standards. User-generated content cannot be used to assess notability here. Things like downloads, views, likes, etc. are user-generated content, as well as forums and wikis. ~Anachronist (talk) 14:19, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Publishing Article about typhoon co-may
so the storm article is currently a draft it'd called Typhoon Co-may (Philippine name Emong) 2025 it's been time and it think it finally deserves an article Hypercyclone 2 (talk) 14:35, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Hypercyclone 2. You resubmitted the draft Draft:Typhoon Co-may yesterday, and in time a reviewer will get to it. Please be patient. ColinFine (talk) 14:51, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- You have manually published the draft (as Typhoon Co-may (Emong)) which I had marked as undergoing review, and then blanked, the article. Why?
- And what are you trying to do at Typhoon Co-may? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:06, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Google search
- Getting google search to delete the talk page and direct to live page
Hi! I’ve just published the article Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy, which is live and accessible. However, Google is still showing the Talk page ([[Talk:Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy[]) in search results instead of the live article. Is there a way to suppress or redirect the Talk page to help with search visibility? Thank you! TheCocktailCloset (talk) 03:35, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Redirect or suppression request
Courtesy link: Draft:Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy
Hello. The article Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy is now live and published, but Google is still showing this Talk page as the main result in searches. Could this page be redirected or suppressed from indexing to avoid confusion for new readers? Thank you! TheCocktailCloset (talk) 03:37, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @TheCocktailCloset: It can take up to 90 days for a new article to get indexed by search engines. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 06:26, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @TheCocktailCloset: I've moved your article back to drafts. Please respond to the conflict of interest query on your talk page. Thank you, -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 06:37, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Duplicate draft
There now exist both Draft:Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy 2 and Draft:Ulysses Lisbon Speakeasy. Which one of these do you want to work on, TheCocktailCloset? -- Hoary (talk) 09:33, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
New Draft: AY Poyoo
Hello everyone
I’ve created a draft article about Ghanaian rapper AY Poyoo. It includes reliable sources and covers almost everything about him
I’d appreciate feedback if its good to go on mainspace.
HERE'S the Draft: AY Poyoo
Thank you. Thilio (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's not a bad effort, but you have some paragraphs that lack even a single citation. You need to show where you got each individual factoid in the article, or remove those which you cannot.
- Once that is done, submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:58, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Can you tell me which paragraphs lack even a single citation so I can do my best to fix them Thilio (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thilio, I quote: In May 2023, Poyoo walked the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards red carpet with a live goat, reinforcing his "GOAT" image.5 (Of course, I am not copying the markup.) The [5] within that points to (or is) a citation. I quote another paragraph in its entirety: Known for his eccentric appearance, humorous lyrics and energetic delivery, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop. No superscripted number means no citation. -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Hoary THANKS....
- I agree that the sentence about Poyoo’s comedic-rap identity would benefit from a citation to maintain consistency. I’ll look into finding a reliable source that highlights this aspect.
- Would you be open to continuing this discussion on the draft's talk page? I think it could help us align on how best to improve and source the article on AY Poyoo. Let me know what you think.
- Thanks Again Thilio (talk) 23:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thilio, I quote: In May 2023, Poyoo walked the Vodafone Ghana Music Awards red carpet with a live goat, reinforcing his "GOAT" image.5 (Of course, I am not copying the markup.) The [5] within that points to (or is) a citation. I quote another paragraph in its entirety: Known for his eccentric appearance, humorous lyrics and energetic delivery, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop. No superscripted number means no citation. -- Hoary (talk) 22:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Can you tell me which paragraphs lack even a single citation so I can do my best to fix them Thilio (talk) 21:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Thilio, the purpose of adding citations is not "to maintain consistency"; it's to provide the reader with evidence of factual accuracy. Provide a reliable source for as much of the draft as you can. Delete any material for which you cannot provide a reliable source. Submit the resulting draft for review. -- Hoary (talk) 23:15, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Got it.... Thanks. Thilio (talk) 23:26, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I see that you've added a citation to the end of the sentence "Known for his eccentric appearance, humorous lyrics and energetic delivery, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop", Thilio. However, there are two problems here. First is that the link in the reference takes me to a "page not found" error. Second, that sentence expresses an opinion, and we don't express opinions in Wikipedia's voice (see WP:NPOV). If the source makes the claim that AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop, then one option is to phrase that sentence along the lines of "According to writer X, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop", per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you for the helpful feedback.
- @Cordless Larry. I've now removed the broken link and rephrased the sentence to attribute the viewpoint as suggested, in line with WP:NPOV and WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. I’ll also double check all sources to ensure they’re accessible and reliable before adding. I really appreciate your guidance. Thilio (talk) 09:19, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I see that you've added a citation to the end of the sentence "Known for his eccentric appearance, humorous lyrics and energetic delivery, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop", Thilio. However, there are two problems here. First is that the link in the reference takes me to a "page not found" error. Second, that sentence expresses an opinion, and we don't express opinions in Wikipedia's voice (see WP:NPOV). If the source makes the claim that AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop, then one option is to phrase that sentence along the lines of "According to writer X, AY Poyoo has carved out a unique comedic-rap identity in African hip hop", per WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:50, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Draft Article for Company Page
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello,
I’ve been working on a draft Wikipedia page for my company, but it has been consistently declined. The most recent feedback I received was:
"Insufficient sourcing. There are three sources (one of them cited twice). I don't know about the reliability of EU-Startups, but the piece's hyper-promotional tone suggests an unreliable source. Of the other sources, one is a routine press release and one is an interview (not independent). At least two reliable sources independent of the subject and meeting WP:CORPDEPTH are needed."
I understand the need for neutrality and verifiability, and I’m trying to align with Wikipedia’s notability and sourcing standards. However, I’m facing a challenge: aside from the sources already included (which unfortunately appear to fall short of the criteria), most of the other coverage available is company-generated content, which I know cannot be used.
We are ready to modify the article in a way that complies with Wiki's standards so that it is published. Unfortunately, we will not have extra external sources anytime soon.
I would appreciate any guidance or suggestions on how best to proceed in a situation like this. Are there alternative approaches you would recommend? I would love to have it published as soon as possible.
I've included the current draft below for your review and feedback.
Thank you for your time and support.
Draft: Tagvenue - Draft:Tagvenue
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Tagvenue is a private online marketplace for booking event venues, founded in 2015 in London by Artur Stepaniak and Maksim Kondratjuks. The platform allows users to search, compare, and book venues for events, including birthdays, holiday parties, weddings, meetings, seasonal celebrations, corporate functions, and private parties. Tagvenue operates in six countries: the United Kingdom, Ireland, Australia, Singapore, Canada, and the United States. As of 2025, it lists thousands of venues for events such as weddings and corporate functions. The platform uses a commission-based model, charging no fees to users.[1] History Tagvenue was founded in March 2015 by Artur Stepaniak and Maksim Kondratjuks, both graduates of Lancaster University. The company was created to simplify venue booking. Initially launched in London, Tagvenue expanded to other UK cities by 2016 and entered Australia, Singapore, Canada, and the United States by 2019, according to BusinessCloud.[2] Econsultancy (2016) described the platform as an “Airbnb for venues” due to its online booking model.[3] In 2020, Tagvenue introduced virtual event features in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, as reported by TechRound.[4] Platform and Operations Tagvenue’s platform allows users to search for venues by ___location, capacity, and event type, with a commission-based model where venue owners pay fees. The platform includes features for checking venue availability in real time and making instant bookings. Corporate Structure Tagvenue is a privately held company headquartered in London, with no publicly disclosed venture capital funding. The company had more than 100 staff members across office and remote functions by 2024. Co-founders Artur Stepaniak and Maksim Kondratjuks remain in leadership roles. References Ohr, Thomas (2019-08-12). "London-based Tagvenue expands its online marketplace for venue hire to 7 new cities across the UK and Australia". EU-Startups. Retrieved 2025-07-15. Symcox, Jonathan (2019-08-12). "Tagvenue expands venue marketplace to seven new cities". BusinessCloud. Retrieved 2025-07-22. Ohr, Thomas (2019-08-12). "London-based Tagvenue expands its online marketplace for venue hire to 7 new cities across the UK and Australia". EU-Startups. Retrieved 2025-07-22. Leigh, Dana (2021-01-07). "Interview with Arthur Stepaniak, CEO and Co-Founder at Tagvenue". TechRound. Retrieved 2025-07-22. Sandra Blanco Lopez (talk) 11:08, 4 August 2025 (UTC) |
Sandra Blanco Lopez (talk) 11:11, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is no need to repeat the draft here as it can be reached at the link. Just as Wikipedia doesn't have articles for each of the 7 billion people on the planet, by long consensus it restricts articles on companies to those which meet our notability criteria. This requires sources meeting our golden rules and a quick search I've just made suggests there are none. Hence you are unlikely to succeed in creating an suitable draft at this time. The company can use its own website or other outlets to tell people about what it does. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:29, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Lola Wright (public speaker/coach)
Hi there! I’m affiliated with Lola Wright, a leadership coach, speaker, and founder of multiple organizations including Lola Wright Enterprises and Nuluum. She’s spoken at TEDxChicago, Chicago Ideas, and led the Bodhi Center in Chicago. I’ve drafted a potential Wikipedia article with independent, reliable sources and neutral tone, and I’m looking for a neutral, experienced Wikipedian to review and possibly submit the article on her behalf.
I understand that due to my connection to the subject, it's best practice not to submit it myself.
Here is the draft in my sandbox: User:Lolapwright/sandbox
Thank you in advance for any support or guidance! Lolapwright (talk) 15:03, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please see WP:COI, WP:PAID and WP:BOSS. Also beware of the issues described at WP:SCAM.
- Your draft—now at Draft:Lola Wright—cannot be published in its present state, because you have entire sections with no citations.
- When you have addressed that; and when you are sure you have included three sources that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE, please submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:16, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Lolapwright, I've moved your page to be in the Draft: namespace and added a banner to the top where you can click to submit the article for review. If I was to review the article right now, I would decline it as it still has a promotional tone and none of the sources are independent (they are podcasts or TED talks featuring her).
- As an example, the sentence
She was its CEO during a period of significant transformation, overseeing programming that emphasized inclusivity, self-inquiry, and post-religious spiritual engagement.
Which independent, secondary, reliable source said this? Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 15:17, 4 August 2025 (UTC) - Hello, @Lolapwright, and welcome to the Teahouse. Please be aware that Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources.
- I also suggest you read WP:BOSS, and WP:PROUD
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. And that is even without any COI. ColinFine (talk) 16:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Quasiparticle interference
Dear all,
I have written a draft for a new wikipedia page on Quasiparticle interference (see Draft:Quasiparticle interference imaging). The article was reviewed and rejected with some very useful feedback for improvements. I have tried to implement this, but before resubmitting any further feedback (a) on the page in general and (b) whether the feedback has been addressed appropriately would be useful. Pwstauk (talk) 08:38, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I am not qualified to judge this one, Pwstauk; but I can say that it's riddled with cite template errors. I have fixed one of these. Please click on that, examine what you see there, and make analogous corrections to other uses in the draft of cite templates. -- Hoary (talk) 10:53, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Pwstauk That's a very specialist topic and you are already getting decent suggestions on the talk page of the draft, where I suggest any addition feedback be placed. Stick at it and an amended draft is likely to be accepted. The essay WP:EXPERT may be of interest. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:45, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Endless CAPTCHAS
I attempted to make an edit on the Flag of Brunei and I’ve gotten at least 30 CAPTCHAS in a row. It also said that I’ve exceeded my rate limit. Is this normal? Cyberified (talk) 11:59, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi Cyberified, welcome to the Teahouse. New users sometimes report problems with CAPTCHAS. I don't know what is considered normal but the CAPTCHAS will probably stop in three days when your account becomes autoconfirmed. You already have the ten required edits and could wait if it's too annoying. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:24, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Oh okay, thanks! Cyberified (talk) 12:27, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Doubt
Draft:Dhumketu (2025 film) - Created by an IP user, this draft has been declined twice owing to WP:REFBOMB issues. Barring that issue, it's a very well detailed and well sourced draft (WP:PROMISING). So, once the refbombing issue is solved, it can end up being a very well sourced and well detailed mainspace article. As per the last decline comment, the draft was supposed to be resubmitted only after adding critical reviews, post release.
But the problem is that, an user has created a mainspace article Dhumketu (2025 film), despite a draft existing in mainspace. The article created in mainspace is very less referenced and much less detailed compared to the article in the draftspace.
So...I was confused if I should nominate Dhumketu (2025 film) for deletion at the AFD. (Cuz I am not sure about what to state as the reason of proposing deletion)......So, should the mainspace article be redirected or deleted.....and Draft:Dhumketu (2025 film) be worked upon and later moved to mainspace.....because the draft will end up becoming a better article than the mainspace article which exists...... Or, maybe the contents of both the articles can be merged......
I am a bit confused. Please suggest what would be the best thing to do in this case. BhikhariInformer (talk) 12:43, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Merging would be better, which will combine and preserve the history of both versions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:58, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ok. Thanks. BhikhariInformer (talk) 13:21, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
My article got nominated for deletion
- Can you please help improve it?
hi. I am new to Wikipedia editing and I recently created an article for a prominent Sri Lankan Violinist Sulara Nanayakkara. This page has been nominated for deletion. Since then I have read the guidelines and improved the page as much as possible. I would be grateful if you could let me know if the page could be saved and what more can be done to save it. Thanks in advance Withanakasun (talk) 20:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Your mistake was attempting to publish an article directly in main space without having the experience or knowledge of what is required. As a new editor, you should have followed the process at WP:AFC. The thing to do now is let the deletion discussion run its course. I have already stated in the discussion that the article should be moved to draft space to give it time to be improved. If the consensus is to delete, you can always ask the deleting admin to restore it to draft space for improvement. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:14, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- thanks a lot. I would appreciate it if you could point out the issues in the article, so it could be edited in the draft space and sent for review Withanakasun (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The issues are described in the deletion discussion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:41, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- thanks a lot. I would appreciate it if you could point out the issues in the article, so it could be edited in the draft space and sent for review Withanakasun (talk) 00:05, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Oxylabs.io – full of misinformation
Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Oxylabs
Oxylabs was previously deleted from Wikipedia and reappeared as Oxylabs.io.
Oxylabs.io is full of misinformation.
Dozens of examples, here are 7:
- The article states "The company was founded in Tesonet accelerator[4], established by Tomas Okmanas and Eimantas Sabaliauskas.[5][6][7]" – None of the sources support this statement.
- The article states "The company expanded its product suite in 2017 with the launch of residential proxies and data acquisition service" and provides two sources. – The sources do NOT support this statement.
- In 2023, Oxylabs received the Data Breakthrough Award for “Data as a Service Company of the Year”,[25] – This link contains countless awards to countless companies. It's some sort of participation award, definitely not encyclopedic information.
- Article: "In 2023, Oxylabs made a donation of around half a million euros to support people defending Ukraine.[44] " – Referenced with a paid source.
- In 2020, Oxylabs.io introduced a framework for ethical proxy sourcing and announced that its proxy pool had reached over 102 million IP addresses.[17] – Not supported by the source
- "and won "Best Place to Work in Data & AI".[31]" – Open the source. Check it. Countless winners. Some nische participation award, non encyclopedic information.
- In July of the same year, Oxylabs launched AI Studio, a suite of four AI-driven web scraping tools (AI‑Crawler, AI‑Scraper, Browser Agent, and AI‑Search) that let users extract data using natural‑language prompts, making web data collection accessible without coding.[32][33] – Not supported by any of the two sources.
Why does such misinformation get to stay on Wikipedia? 2A00:801:707:613F:31BA:AA0F:857A:9576 (talk) 19:07, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- To the two people who edited the article:
- Ping @SKAG123 & Ping @Augmented Seventh
- I am travelling through Swedish wilderness and might not be able to see the responses in the coming days. But this particular article is blatant promo. Such obvious blatant promo. 2A00:801:707:613F:31BA:AA0F:857A:9576 (talk) 19:10, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: while the IP's rant is not appropriate (the article was created only 12 hours ago, and the IP has not attempted to engage with @Devlaph-allar who created it) there do appear to be some suspicious things about the article.
- First, it was created in one go, with Infobox and 31 citations - which is not unknown, but is unusual. Secondly, reference 4 had the correct title, but linked to a completely different article (I have corrected the link). ColinFine (talk) 19:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I was responding to a large serial deletion, one specifically that claimed sources were behind a pay wall, when the paywall was not in evidence when I checked.
- Another edit cast aspersions on the notability of sourced industry awards. Augmented Seventh🎱 21:38, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
The article has been draftified, and currently resides at Draft:Oxylabs.io. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:23, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Flagging possible non-obvious vandalism
Mount Laurel doctrine has an inexperienced IP editor making massive cuts across a string of edits, including the deletion of the criticism section. I can't tell if this is simply bold editing or subtle vandalism.
I wanted to note this somewhere that more experienced editors might be able to see and be able to take a look. The village pump has no applicable category, ANI feels wayyyyy too blunt a tool for this (it's just me flagging something that seems off), and AIV only accepts obvious cases. I tried seeing if WP:CVU had a noticeboard but I couldn't find one.
The question is ultimately where the place for "this seems off, but I'm not experienced enough to look at it" would be. Of course if that place isn't here, someone reading here might deal with it anyway but it's still helpful to know for the future. Cabinetkey (she/her • ☎) 17:38, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Article talk page; relevant WikiProject talk pages listed on the article's talk page; or WP:NPOVN (also WP:BLPN if a future case affects a living person). Or follow the process outlined at WP:DR. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:03, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- My recommendation is just to revert with an edit summary requesting talk-page consensus. Patrick 🐈⬛ (talk) 19:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I won't revert it if it goes against the consensus here, but I urge you to read my edits versus what it was prior to my edits. You'll find that I worked to balance out the subjectivity of the initial edit, which read as biased criticism of the controversial subject matter, especially when there was already a "criticism" section. 47.225.127.187 (talk) 00:00, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
New page: Leon & Malia
Yesterday, 1 August 2025, I started uploading and editing into my Sandbox a new page titled "Leon & Malia." This morning I intended to take up work on it but could not find it. I need to retrieve it. What do I do? Butcan 20:20, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Welcome back to the Teahouse, Butcan. Does Special:Contributions/Butcan help? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:34, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Deletion delay
A WP:CfD was closed with consensus to delete over a week ago, but the category still has not been deleted. Where should I go to nudge someone about this? Martin IIIa (talk) 16:29, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Try Wikipedia:Closure requests. ~Anachronist (talk) 16:36, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific? My understanding was always that Wikipedia:Closure requests was for discussions that have not yet been closed, and looking over the page now I'm not seeing a section designated for discussions that have already been closed. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- "Closure" involves taking all the steps needed to close a process, not just a discussion. An AFD discussion that closed as "delete" without the article being deleted is fair game to ask for closure because the process was never completed. Particularly if administrator action is required. Nobody will complain if you list such a request there. You can list it in "Other" at the end of the page.
- You can also just ask an administrator directly. Point me to the discussion and I'll do what's needed. ~Anachronist (talk) 23:06, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Can you be more specific? My understanding was always that Wikipedia:Closure requests was for discussions that have not yet been closed, and looking over the page now I'm not seeing a section designated for discussions that have already been closed. Martin IIIa (talk) 18:08, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
People who speak Czech and French
Dear Friends.
I tried to "sourcify" my draft of an article about the Cypher System (Draft:Cypher System) by using scientific literature in which CS got mentioned. Sadly, most of that was in Czech or French - languages I do not speak. So when I used Googe Translate to understand what was written, I believe this is no proper tool of reading scientific literature. Can people who know Czech and/or French look at the draft, read the sources and double check if I haven't done something pretty silly because of a language barrier? I would be pretty grateful.
Best wishes!
-- Kaworu1992 (talk) 00:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992: Unless the Cypher System specifically was the focus of those papers, they won't help for eligibility (too sparse). —Jéské Couriano v^_^v threads critiques 00:34, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Cypher system was a bigger or lesser part of that scientific research. I believe all the papers by Philippe Lepinard were focused mostly/exclusively on CS. The article about mental health got just a short mention, but that's more "supportive" reference than a main part of the section in a draft - I offered just a single statement supported by that reference.
- -- Kaworu1992 (talk) 00:40, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Kaworu1992 I know I've previously said I'd have a look at this draft and didn't get around to it, so I won't make promises I can't keep. But I'll put this on my todo list to see if the new French-language sources you found are suitable. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 03:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- You can use WP:EMBASSY/WT:EMBASSY to contact editors who speak other languages. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Legal docs/filings question
In a hypothetical scenario (cough), if a legal text document is used as the citation to verify marital status, or other information regarding a subject of a BLP, would the primary source constitute OR? And therefore not be used in a BLP? I assume so, since one would need to decipher the legal text to extrapolate conclusions, yes? Thanks! -PerpetuityGrat (talk) 13:40, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- @PerpetuityGrat Yes, that's correct. The policy is at WP:BLPPRIMARY. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:52, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Michael D. Turnbull: Thanks for pointing that out! --PerpetuityGrat (talk) 14:26, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Bird
What do I do with this bird I found Rachellecox83 (talk) 12:00, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Rachellecox83: This page is for asking for help editing Wikipedia. Please search Google (or your preferred alternative) for your local "wildlife rescue centre" and ask them for advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:59, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Official Photo for Politican
Hello,
Am I able to use a picture of a politician from the legislative body's official government page as their Wikipedia photo? This photo would be taken from the About section for the politican.
Thank you! InterestInsomniac (talk) 01:11, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- InterestInsomniac, there isn't a simple yes/no here, especially without seeing the permissions of the website you wish to take the photo from, or the page you wish to place it on. If it is for *just the page about the politician*, then something called Fair use may apply I would shift this question to Wikipedia Commons, where they deal with this sort of question all the time. I would re-post your question at c:Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Good luck, Mathglot (talk) 01:37, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- If this is a living politician (as seems likely), then other than in truly exceptional circumstances you cannot claim "fair use". Please do not ask about "fair use" at Wikimedia Commons. Precisely what is written on the particular web page about copyright, copyleft, or "Creative Commons"? -- Hoary (talk) 05:14, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, InterestInsomniac, In the case of US federal politicians whose portraits are taken by staff photographers, all of their work is in the public ___domain and free of any copyright restrictions. This applies to the work of a famous photographer like Pete Souza while he was on the White House staff working for Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama. Each of the 50 states has their own law. Some release staff photography into the public ___domain and some don't. Even Ansel Adams worked for the US Department of the Interior for a while. The photos he took while on the government clock are public ___domain. Those taken privately are not, except the ones over 95 years old. Copyright is starting to expire on his oldest work. The bottom line is that you need to do your homework. Cullen328 (talk) 05:27, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Which country is this in? Can you link to the page where you saw the photo? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:17, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
submitting article from my sandbox
having difficulty submitting my first article from my sandbox. I see this:
Please check draft title. No such draft exists. KendalLiddle (talk) 00:25, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @KendalLiddle hi, looks like you've successfully submitted Draft:Écoute audio - is this still an issue? Cheers, GoldRomean (talk) 01:00, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Submission was declined as "a topic not yet shown to meet general notability guidelines".
- @KendalLiddle: You need to include three sources that meet all of the requirements outlined at WP:GOLDENRULE. If you cannot then the subject does not qualify for a Wikipedia article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:22, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @KendalLiddle If you plan to continue working on the draft, take a look at Help:Referencing for beginners. We don't use external links in the main text, for example. Mike Turnbull (talk) 10:45, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @KendalLiddle, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.
- My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 11:18, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
How do I find reliable enough sources?
I want to get the Class of '09 draft published but the problem is I can't find good sources that meet the criteria. Could someone help me? Blitzite3 (talk) 02:55, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Blitzite3: are you sure the game is notable? Please read Wikipedia:No amount of editing can overcome a lack of notability, in which case you may want to write about a topic that is notable. —Matrix(!) ping onewhen replying {u - t? -
uselessc} 05:22, 2 August 2025 (UTC) - See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:21, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- First thing you should do is go through the article and remove all content that is not covered in the independent sources you cite (see WP:42 for the kind of sources we need). You have a fair number of sources already, but far too much detail that nobody cares about. Submit the pared-down article for review and see what happens. ~Anachronist (talk) 11:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- Not all sources need to be independent. Non-independent sources can be used for some non-controversial facts, such as the the name of the publisher or the year of release.
- WP:42 is about demonstrating notability, not the suitability of sources for verifying content.
- Some relevant guidance is at WP:NIS. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:09, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
Request for feedback on draft: Amanda Shingirai Mushate
Hello everyone 👋 🫂
I’ve written a draft article about Zimbabwean visual artist Amanda Shingirai Mushate. I’d really appreciate it if someone could take a look and let me know if it’s ready for the mainspace.
Thanks in advance for your time Thilio (talk) 20:22, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 20:50, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks so much
- @Pigsonthewing .... I’ll go ahead and submit it through AfC as you suggested. I just wanted a quick second look from someone experienced before hitting submit , will really appreciate 🙏 Thilio (talk) 21:06, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's redundant to ask for a pre-review review- please let the process play out. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- @331dot Thanks, I'm going to submit now... Appreciated Thilio (talk) 21:18, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's redundant to ask for a pre-review review- please let the process play out. 331dot (talk) 21:17, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Quotation with expletive in it
Hello! On this article at the very bottom of Background and recording is a quote from a July 2020 interview that says "so many girls for the future [...], just showing that vulnerable place of figuring this stuff out for herself." However, in the original interview, Strayer uses the word "shit" instead of "stuff". I found here that quotes should be verbatim, but also if there is an alternative that doesn't change meaning and isn't vulgar then to go with that. So, my question here is should I change the quote in the article to use the word shit as in the original interview, should I do something like [stuff] in the quote since it is edited, or something else? Thanks for the help! DavidL87 (talk) 01:14, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Change, be careful about civility. Valorrr (lets chat) 03:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Civility is a policy about communicating with other editors, not about wording in articles. -- NotCharizard 🗨 04:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, wrong link, meant to do Wikipedia:Slurs. Valorrr (lets chat) 04:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Civility is a policy about communicating with other editors, not about wording in articles. -- NotCharizard 🗨 04:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia is not censored, it should definitely say “shit” if that was the original quote. The link you gave seems to be a list of weasel words for bots, and does not suggest anywhere that in regards to quotes “if there is an alternative that doesn't change meaning and isn't vulgar then to go with that” I am not sure that would be suggested on Wikipedia. -- NotCharizard 🗨 03:57, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sorry, I accidentally added a /Config somehow, this is where I found it (Under Vulgarities, obscenities, and profanities). I edited the quote to match the original, thanks for the help. DavidL87 (talk) 04:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Talk page on Copy Edit list
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Hello Wikipedia Ninjas!
I'm not sure if this is the right place for it, but I didn't know where else to draw attention to it. I'm working on articles through the Task Center - specifically the copy edit list, and on THIS page of the list, I saw that a talk page archive is on there, User talk:Equalwidth/Archive 1. I think removing it is above my "pay grade" so I thought I would start here to look for help. JesseL0vesT0ast (talk) 21:05, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
- Fixed, like this. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:12, 5 August 2025 (UTC)
Uploading an Image
I tried uploading an image. It led me to Mediawiki. It asked me to log in. I logged in using my password in Wikipedia. After 2nd attempt, it came back with a notice that my account is blocked for vandalism. How did that happen? It was my first time to access that site. TMxAsclep (talk) 13:03, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's probably your (shared) IP address that is blocked, not your account.
- While logged in here, go to commons and refresh the page (CTRL+F5 if using Windows).
- If you are not then logged in on Commons, come back here and say so. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! TMxAsclep (talk) 14:23, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Your user page at Commons will be User:TMxAsclep - Wikimedia Commons which currently says there is no such account registered there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:20, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- That will change once TMxAsclep logs in there using the process I described above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes but the message confirms that there cannot have been a block on the username itself. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:47, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for the help! TMxAsclep (talk) 14:24, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- That will change once TMxAsclep logs in there using the process I described above. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Sandbox
I tried practicing using the Sandbox. I hit "Publish" after drafting a paragraph. Is that good as saving the file? How do I go back to that file to continue practicing? Where can I find it?
TMxAsclep (talk) 12:57, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @TMxAsclep: Yes, the "Publish" button is what you use to save your work. Your sandbox is at User:TMxAsclep/Sample page. Deor (talk) 13:14, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @TMxAsclep, and welcome to the Teahouse!
- Yes, clicking Publish in your sandbox does save your work it's the same as saving a file.
- You can return to your sandbox at any time by visiting:
Special:MyPage/sandbox
- Or click your username at the top of any page then select Sandbox from the menu.
- You're free to keep practicing and editing there whenever you'd like.
- Happy editing 🐍 Thilio🤖 13:15, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks! TMxAsclep (talk) 14:23, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
First contribution removed
Hi, I recently added some information to a topic but it was all removed with the reason "unsourced spam". I don't understand what rule I broke and would be grateful for some guidance. The topic is Musical Museum, Brentford. I've been to the museum and know that it has a new gallery that was not mentioned in the topic so all I was trying to do was add information about the new gallery and bring the topic up to date. I have no additional sources to cite. I've been to the museum in person. Their website (already included in references) mentions the new gallery and so should suffice as a source, I'd have thought. Here's the topic with my changes: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Musical_Museum,_Brentford&diff=prev&oldid=1304362456
Thanks in anticipation MartianW (talk) 05:39, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- @UrielAcosta, do you wish to comment? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:35, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, MartianW. I am sorry, but your personal experience (and mine) can never be the source for adding anything to Wikipedia. This is a core content policy called No original research. You must provide a reference to a reliable, published source. You did not provide a reference to a reliable source. The fact thst their website is cited elsewhere for other assertions does not fulfill the requirement. A specific reference right after the assertion about the new gallery is required and that reference must verify what you have written about the gallery. Listing all the different synthesizers in detail is probably more than is needed. A Wikipedia article is supposed to be a summary not an exhaustive presentation of all the fine details. Cullen328 (talk) 07:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you! That makes perfect sense (I think). I'll rework the contribution with your guidance in mind. Much appreciated. MartianW (talk) 07:47, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, MartianW. I am sorry, but your personal experience (and mine) can never be the source for adding anything to Wikipedia. This is a core content policy called No original research. You must provide a reference to a reliable, published source. You did not provide a reference to a reliable source. The fact thst their website is cited elsewhere for other assertions does not fulfill the requirement. A specific reference right after the assertion about the new gallery is required and that reference must verify what you have written about the gallery. Listing all the different synthesizers in detail is probably more than is needed. A Wikipedia article is supposed to be a summary not an exhaustive presentation of all the fine details. Cullen328 (talk) 07:45, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- While your edit was unsourced (I can see a note about that was left on your talk page, with useful links), it does not appear to be, and should not have been, described as spam. I'm sorry you were not treated with more courtesy. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:30, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- It has left me a little confused about the rules but not to worry, I'll have another go at it later. It will all work out. 82.14.33.145 (talk) 12:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Assuming you are MartianW, I left some useful links on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you. I'll get the hang of this :-) MartianW (talk) 15:21, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Assuming you are MartianW, I left some useful links on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:07, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- It has left me a little confused about the rules but not to worry, I'll have another go at it later. It will all work out. 82.14.33.145 (talk) 12:51, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Vettakkorumakankavu temple
Courtesy link: Draft:Vettakkorumakankavu Temple
My submission of an ancient temple in Kerala got rejected as all the links were from Wikipedia. what are the best references to provide for an ancient temple that does not have Internet links? Hunsur (talk) 05:15, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Hunsur: The temple itself does not need to have its own internet presence. What do reliable sources (e.g. newspapers) say about the temple? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 06:29, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Reliably published books. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:13, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Also anything official, which shows that the temple is recognised by its regional or national government as a protected monument.
- See WP:RS for further guidance. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Hunsur: the correct sources to cite are the ones which have provided the information in the draft. They may not necessarily be the best ones, if they turn out to be unreliable etc., but at least they can then be evaluated. At the moment we have no knowledge of where the information has come from. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
A question on edit warring
Is it considered edit warring if I repeatedly add back declined AfC submission templates that a user keeps removing? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 01:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- ...and how about restoring the AfD notice when a deletion discussion is in progress? Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 03:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- For AFC it is not so serious to remove, but perhaps you should get help so that you are not the only one restoring. For AFD you will be justified in restoring the header if the discussion is still open. If you worry about hitting a three revert rule limit ask someone else to assist. As such edits confirm to policy, they would not lead to a block. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 07:46, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- You should not be penalised, but if someone is reverting persistently to remove such templates, you should report them at WP:3RR. Simply continuing an edit war will not necessarily stop them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:40, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Disruptive Edits by Reputed Editor
hello everyone
I am working on India Ethnic groups. And I found some who no try to find any source just because they are written with tittle, ex:- here this source it i found on NITI Aayog Library here(see tittles note), I see Multiple times. 獅眠洞 (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- That would be User:Sitush. Maybe they can explain to you in more detail why they consider the source you used as not reliable? I doubt it is just "because they are written with tittle".
- In future, please follow the process outlined at WP:DR if you are in dispute with another editor. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I mean atleast once he check source exist or not Many articles are nominated for deletion like Shaikhs of Rajasthan. 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- some are deleted ex:-here 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:41, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The issue is not whether the source exists—that is not disputed—but whether it is reliable. Also, please assume good faith. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The source is relaible ISBN no. 81-7304-091-5 on Google 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- It is published by Anthropological Survey of India 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's different to what you gave as a source in the diff in your first post in this section, which was
"People of India Hayana, Vol. XXIII M.L Sharma and A.K Bhatia (Eds.), pp. 335–375 Manohar Publications"
. - Again, we need to hear from Sitush. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:31, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- ok and sorry for being to rude.😓 獅眠洞 (talk) 12:35, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's different to what you gave as a source in the diff in your first post in this section, which was
- It is published by Anthropological Survey of India 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:52, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The source is relaible ISBN no. 81-7304-091-5 on Google 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I mean atleast once he check source exist or not Many articles are nominated for deletion like Shaikhs of Rajasthan. 獅眠洞 (talk) 11:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Request for Feedback: Generative Radial Geometry
Hello everyone,
I’m currently developing a draft article in my sandbox about a proposed mathematical framework called **Generative Radial Geometry (GRG)**. The idea explores an alternative way to define circles and circular areas using discrete radial summation, rather than relying on the traditional use of π (pi).
The full draft is here: User:Fipodigital/sandbox
The theory has been published and timestamped on Zenodo with a DOI, and I am working on gathering external references and possible academic discussions that can support its notability. I understand that original research is not suitable for Wikipedia, so I’m seeking advice on how to frame this topic within the guidelines, or whether it might be more appropriate for Wikiversity or other Wikimedia sister projects.
If anyone has suggestions on how to improve the draft or where to publish such content in a more fitting way, I’d be grateful for your feedback.
Thanks for your time!
– Stefano (Fipodigital) talk 14:48, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
The following two responses were removed when Fipodigital edited their question above after it had been answered. I'm restoring them here for completeness. Cordless Larry (talk) 15:03, 7 August 2025 (UTC)
- I will reply to this on your talk page. JBW (talk) 15:39, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Fipodigital Unfortunately this would not be suitable for Wikipedia as it has no citations to reliable published sources and appears to be original research, which is not acceptable. Please see these instructions on how to write a Wikipedia article. Shantavira|feed me 16:04, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Neutralising the tone of voice
Hello teahouse :) I've recently received feedback to neutralise the tone of voice of an edit request I submitted earlier this year. In most examples that I submitted this was straightforward, but how can I be sure it's meets the expected standard? Also, how do I re-open the edit request if the editor has requested revisions? Talk:Thomas Heatherwick#Updates to Thomas Heatherwick's Biography Page. Conbene (talk) 15:30, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I'd suggest you start afresh, and make a number of smaller requests, one at a time. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:22, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Estilo Boutique (COI disclosure included)
Courtesy link: Draft:Estilo Boutique
Hi there! I’m a first-time contributor working on a page about my wife’s business, Estilo Boutique, a women’s and men’s clothing store based in Austin, Texas, founded in 2005.
I’ve done my best to write the article in a neutral, verifiable way, using over 20 references from independent sources including Austin American-Statesman, Tribeza, Austin Chronicle, People, Forbes, and others.
I understand there’s a conflict of interest, and I’ve disclosed that on the Talk page of the draft here:
👉 User:BeneathTheBrand/sandbox
I’d really appreciate any feedback on whether the draft meets notability and formatting guidelines before I submit it to Articles for Creation.
Thank you so much for your help! BeneathTheBrand (talk) 18:52, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Please see WP:PAID (which encompasses a spouse's business), and WP:NCORP for the criteria which the business must meet to justify an article. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:59, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hi @BeneathTheBrand. You have no sources? See Wikipedia:Verifiability and the referencing tutorial at Help:Introduction to referencing with VisualEditor/1. qcne (talk) 19:00, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Sources are present, but included as inline external links. User:BeneathTheBrand should convert them to an acceptable style, as described in your latter link. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:02, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks I will convert the links to the acceptable style after reviewing the referencing intro. BeneathTheBrand (talk) 21:18, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Sandbox articles
I want to create more articles for review on sandbox but i dont know where to go..the one i created on sandbox doesn't seem to go away for a cleaner page Blackgirlmighty (talk) 17:54, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- You can delete the contents of your sandbox, and start again. Or you can create User:Blackgirlmighty/sandbox 2, User:Blackgirlmighty/sandbox 3 etc; or even User:Blackgirlmighty/Foobar, but with the title of the article you are working on. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:05, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ohh i understand..so the article i created for Nicki Tiffin will i not get a feedback and will it not be moved to the main page Blackgirlmighty (talk) 19:04, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- That wasn't what you asked. I have moved your existing sandbox to Draft:Nicki Tiffin. You can continue to work on it there.
- When you think it is ready, please submit the article for review, via the process described at WP:AFC. If the reviewer deems it ready, they will publish it to "mainspace". If not, they will give you further advice. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:23, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes sorry for that i guess i was concerned of the work i did...thank you very much Blackgirlmighty (talk) 19:29, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- Ohh i understand..so the article i created for Nicki Tiffin will i not get a feedback and will it not be moved to the main page Blackgirlmighty (talk) 19:04, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
An account to promote myself
- I need a hand making an account to promote myself as an artist an business. I have more than one article, my LLC, my DUNS, and other certificates.
music 1Xenos (talk) 04:56, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you'd like to promote yourself, 1Xenos, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 05:09, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- 1Xenos, self-promotion is strictly forbidden on Wikipedia. Don't go there. Cullen328 (talk) 05:31, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you attempt to promote yourself on Wikipedia, then you will be quickly blocked, and anyone looking for your name on Wikipedia will see the block notice. Is that really what you want?
- An artist who is up-and-coming cannot have a Wikipedia article. You must have already arrived. You must become successful without Wikipedia's help, and only then would you merit an article here. ~Anachronist (talk) 11:28, 2 August 2025 (UTC)
- I guess I'm the only one who read the request knowing that if a third-party is doing the promoting, it's not self-promotion. What kind of account do you have in mind, assuming you still need one? Nom de vileplume (talk) 10:55, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I’m Cyril Voyant, Director of Research at the O.I.E. laboratory, Mines Paris‑PSL, based in Sophia Antipolis. I am seeking the assistance of a neutral volunteer editor (with no personal or professional connection to me) who can review or publish a draft about me, in accordance with community standards.
- My academic credentials are publicly verifiable:
- HAL profile (116 indexed publications, participation in ANR/EU projects like SAPHIR, Fine4cast, TILOS): https://cv.hal.science/cyril-voyant Google Scholar profile (over 130 peer-reviewed articles, approximately 6,500 citations): https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=aUlP6agAAAAJ&hl=en ResearchGate profile (149 publications, around 6,157 citations): https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Cyril-Voyant.My research areas include:
- Solar irradiance forecasting applying hybrid AI/statistical models, development of novel metrics such as the stochastic coefficient of variation (sCV) and Forecastability Index.
- ClearSky‑Free forecasting using Extreme Learning Machines trained directly on raw irradiance data.
- Transfer learning and clustering techniques to deploy models in regions lacking local data.
- Complex-valued time series modeling to capture amplitude and volatility for probabilistic forecasting.
- Medical dosimetry and radiotherapy planning, notably the open‑source software LQL‑Equiv used in over 20 countries.
- Projects with national and European funding: SAPHIR, Fine4cast, TILOS. All the information and reference are availaible at https://www.cyrilvoyant.com/ . A lot reference are available in scopus, publon, mdpi interfaces.
- This initiative is strictly non-commercial, primarily aimed at improving access to my work and facilitating future scientific collaborations.
- I would be grateful to any volunteer editor, impartial and independent, who can assist in ensuring the text meets Wikipedia guidelines. I can provide access to the draft via EverybodyWiki (Cyril_voyant) or cyrilvoyant.com if needed.
- Thank you in advance to anyone willing to contribute to the rigorous and useful dissemination of this scientific work.
- Best regards,
- Cyril Voyant Cyril voyant (talk) 20:48, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
- I replied on your talk page. I am willing to help if you are here to help build an encyclopedia rather than promote yourself. You may find that publishing an article on Wikipedia is a different process than publishing in an academic journal, and in some ways Wikipedia's process is more strict and rigorous. In addition you are dealing with an entire community here, not a centralized authority consisting of just an editor and a couple of peer reviewers. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:27, 6 August 2025 (UTC)
Daniel Bowden
Daniel Bowden who was a main cast member of an Australian TV show called Always Greener has been incorrectly credited to a New Zealand rugby player. I would like to fix it. Dbowdie (talk) 18:44, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- On which page? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:48, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hey! Always Greener
- I’ve gone in to try to correct it, which I think has removed the rugby player but as a 1st timer to Wiki editing, I feel a bit clumsy Dbowdie (talk) 18:51, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- No, that looks good. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The way I broke the link to the rugby player was add the middle name, which is Steven. If I revert to just Daniel Bowden, it goes back to linking to the rugby player. Dbowdie (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @Dbowdie, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- If we had an article on the actor, it would have to be disambiguated from article on the rugby player. If he regularly uses his middle name, then that could be used; otherwise such an article would be called Daniel Bowden (actor) and the reference in Always Greener would look like
[[Daniel Bowden (actor)|Daniel Bowden]]
, which would link to the article with "(actor)" in the title, but display as "Daniel Bowden". (If this happened it would be worth somebody considering renaming the existing article on the Rugby player, according to WP:DAB). - If Bowden the actor appears to meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability (or the specific criteria for notability of actors), then having a redlink, such as you've created, is a good idea. However, if he does not, so there is little chance of an article ever being created about him, then there should not be redlink, and the name should be unlinked and left as ordinary text.
- I see that you have a COI declared in this: please note that you are discouraged from directly editing about Bowden, and should generally use edit requests instead for any edit connected with him.
- As an editor with a COI you are permitted, however, to use the articles for creation mechanism to create an article about him - however My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. And that is even without a COI.
- If you are actually Daniel Bowden yourself, please be aware that autobiography, though not forbidden, is very strongly discouraged. ColinFine (talk) 20:20, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- The way I broke the link to the rugby player was add the middle name, which is Steven. If I revert to just Daniel Bowden, it goes back to linking to the rugby player. Dbowdie (talk) 19:23, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- No, that looks good. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:16, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
Help with revising article
I'm working on an article that has been flagged for possibly using text from a large language model (LLM). I’ve revised much of it and verified sources, but I’d appreciate help reviewing and editing the draft to ensure it meets Wikipedia standards. The article is about Sydney S. Cohen and the role he played in the development of the movie theater business. I have a great deal of research material - references, newspaper articles, trade journals, etc., but frankly I need help. Can someone assist?
Sydney S. Cohen Bouncy99 (talk) 21:43, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Gråbergs Gråa Sång: It seems we forgot about Sydney S. Cohen. Worth noting here for others that we have lots of sources at Draft:Sydney S. Cohen, so there's no problem with notability here. MediaKyle (talk) 22:22, 3 August 2025 (UTC)
- I just took a look at the article, I'd be happy to give you some help. Did you create/write the article, or are you just editing it? The main thing that's needed is inline citations, but I could also help with refining the tone of the article and possibly adding more details. A. E. Katz (talk) 03:31, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
Need help finding sources
I'm struggling with finding sources. I use Google and have no problem finding more broad articles on a subject, but say I want to find a source calling a song heavy metal. I'll type that song's name and heavy metal in the infobox, then add parenthesis around them separately, so they're both in the page, but the terms are often nowehere near each other on the page. I've tried DuckDuckGo and some of Wikipedia's own modified versions of Google with this strategy and get next to no results.
Also, I'm not eligible for the Wikipedia Library yet, but do plan to use it when I reach my six months. Can it help with the problems I'm having? If not, what else can I use? CleoCat16 (talk) 00:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I know squat about heavy metal, CleoCat16, but the article Heavy metal genres suggests that it comes in a variety of flavors, each with a different name. So you might repeat the search but instead of "heavy metal" use one after another of the two or three likeliest flavors. The Wikipedia Library mostly has material that's more or less academic (tending toward the "more" end), but also local newspapers. I doubt that it would help you; however, I may here be overlooking this or that supplier of material to it. -- Hoary (talk) 01:51, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Instead of using parentheses, put double quotation marks around any exact phrase you're looking for (unfortunately, Google is no longer great with exact words/phrases, but DuckDuckGo still seems to be). For example, search on "song name" "heavy metal". Sometimes it's useful to play around with what you put inside the quotation marks (e.g., "heavy metal" vs. "heavy metal song"). If you know of a good heavy metal site, you can also do site-specific seaches by adding "site:" (including the colon) before the ___domain you want to search, such as site:heavymetal.com "song name" (make sure there is no space between the colon and the ___domain). If you want to exclude a term, use a minus sign in front (e.g., -classical). Another thing I find useful are date-limited searches (e.g., limit the results to pages that appeared in the last week, or from 2/12/2022 through 3/15/2024). In Google, click on Tools, then on Any time, then choose the option you want; in DuckDuckGo, click on Any time and then choose an option. With Google, you can also use their "advanced search" form: https://www.google.com/advanced_search. FactOrOpinion (talk) 02:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't know about the double quotation marks. I'll try it soon. Thanks! CleoCat16 (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- On Google, you can also click on "Search tools" and change "All results" to "Verbatim". This will make Google more likely to return exact matches for your search CodeTalker (talk) 06:28, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- I didn't know about the double quotation marks. I'll try it soon. Thanks! CleoCat16 (talk) 02:42, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Instead of using parentheses, put double quotation marks around any exact phrase you're looking for (unfortunately, Google is no longer great with exact words/phrases, but DuckDuckGo still seems to be). For example, search on "song name" "heavy metal". Sometimes it's useful to play around with what you put inside the quotation marks (e.g., "heavy metal" vs. "heavy metal song"). If you know of a good heavy metal site, you can also do site-specific seaches by adding "site:" (including the colon) before the ___domain you want to search, such as site:heavymetal.com "song name" (make sure there is no space between the colon and the ___domain). If you want to exclude a term, use a minus sign in front (e.g., -classical). Another thing I find useful are date-limited searches (e.g., limit the results to pages that appeared in the last week, or from 2/12/2022 through 3/15/2024). In Google, click on Tools, then on Any time, then choose the option you want; in DuckDuckGo, click on Any time and then choose an option. With Google, you can also use their "advanced search" form: https://www.google.com/advanced_search. FactOrOpinion (talk) 02:36, 4 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, @CleoCat16, and welcome to the Teahouse.
- Please be aware that assignment of genre to music is sometimes hotly disputed (see Genre warrior). I suggest that you engage with Music genres task force, and work with people there. ColinFine (talk) 09:51, 4 August 2025 (UTC)