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edit- Flóra Borsi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Notability not established through reliable, independent sources. Two sources are from a camera company's website; one is an interview with her; one is her own website; one is her biography for a gallery opening. No true claim to notability expressed - the "Heroine" award is not the "first" winner - she's one of 8 or so to win it in the 3rd year the award was given by the camera company. CountryANDWestern (talk) 13:42, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I am a new user. The individuals I wrote about are well-known, but I may not have provided sufficient sources. I kindly ask professional editors to help improve this text. I also request the Wikipedia team not to delete this page and to assist in enhancing it. I would like to express my gratitude to CountryANDWestern for helping with sourcing and preventing the deletion of this article. 1374maafba (talk) 16:44, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Here are some reliable sources for this person.
- 1.https://mymodernmet.com/flora-borsi-animeyed-ii/
- 2.https://www.designboom.com/art/flora-borsi-coffee-universe-06-04-2014/
- 3.https://www.artsy.net/article/savina-museum-of-contemporary-art-flora-borsi-anime
- 4.https://www.thedailyjagran.com/entertainment/hungarian-artist-flora-borsi-judgementall-hai-kya-makers-of-plagiarism-10002662
- 5.https://kultura.hu/en/flora-borsi-princess-of-photoshop/
- 6.https://artreview.com/summer-2014-review-flora-borsi/
- 7.https://twistedsifter.com/2016/01/animeyed-self-portraits-by-flora-borsi/
- 8.https://www.digitalcameraworld.com/news/surreal-self-portrait-artist-flora-borsi-is-the-first-hasselblad-heroine-of-2021
- 9.https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/animeyed-flora-borsi-animal-eyes-surreal-self-portraits/
- 10.https://www.thephoblographer.com/2015/10/08/the-surreal-and-inspiring-photos-of-flora-borsi/
- 11.https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2020/01/23/chasing-the-limitless
- 12.https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20130711-real-life-faces-from-modern-art
- 13.https://www.fubiz.net/en/2015/10/26/caricatural-black-and-white-portraits-by-flora-borsi/
- 14.https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/may/18/photography
- 15.https://www.6sqft.com/the-urban-lens-flora-borsis-forgotten-dream-brings-immigrants-in-search-of-a-better-life-to-america/
- 16.https://mymodernmet.com/animeyed-animal-faces-flora-borsi/
- 17.https://www.businessinsider.com/if-abstract-painting-models-were-real-2013-5
- 18.https://www.designboom.com/art/flora-borsi-animeyed-portraits-01-21-2016/
- 19.https://fstoppers.com/composite/animeyed-human-animal-hybrid-portraits-flora-borsi-150390
- 20.https://www.thephoblographer.com/2016/03/10/flora-borsis-siamese-embodies-inner-conflict/
- 21.https://freeyork.org/photography/flora-borsi-self-portraits/
- 22.https://www.huffpost.com/entry/flora-borsi-photoshop-in-real-life_n_5227042
- 23.https://www.fubiz.net/en/2016/03/23/siamese-body-art-photography-by-flora-borsi/
- 24.https://www.trendhunter.com/trends/flora-borsi
- 25.https://wersm.com/check-out-this-photographers-selfies-with-the-most-iconic-20th-century-personalities/
- 26.https://petapixel.com/2016/01/18/artist-creates-striking-self-portraits-with-animal-eyes/
- 27.https://funzine.hu/en/2019/09/16/culture/interview-with-flora-borsi/
- 28.https://www.yahoo.com/news/artist-s-photoshopped-human-animal-1347494807085110.html 1374maafba (talk) 16:51, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- @1374maafba: After reading this essay, could you choose three sources that you think best demonstrate her notability? Thanks. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 07:15, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for taking the time to review this article. After going through the available sources, here are three that I believe best demonstrate her notability, with a short explanation for each:
- BBC Culture – “Real-life faces from modern art” (2013) https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20130711-real-life-faces-from-modern-art Published by one of the most internationally recognized media outlets, this article presents her work alongside other notable contemporary artists, which demonstrates her relevance in the global art scene.
- The Guardian – “Photography Gallery” (2014) https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2014/may/18/photography The Guardian is a highly reputable newspaper. Featuring her artwork in its Art & Design section provides strong evidence of significant, independent coverage from a mainstream source.
- ArtReview – “Summer 2014 Review: Flora Borsi” https://artreview.com/summer-2014-review-flora-borsi/ ArtReview is a respected, specialized art magazine. Its dedicated review of her work goes beyond a passing mention and offers critical evaluation, further supporting her recognition in the contemporary art world.
- Together, these three sources represent independent, reliable, and in-depth coverage, strongly supporting the subject’s notability.
- I did my best to gather reliable sources in line with Wikipedia’s requirements. Thank you again for taking the time to review this article. If you have any suggestions for improvements or revisions, I would be very grateful for your guidance. 1374maafba (talk) 14:47, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for taking the time to review this article. After going through the available sources, here are three that I believe best demonstrate her notability, with a short explanation for each:
- @1374maafba: After reading this essay, could you choose three sources that you think best demonstrate her notability? Thanks. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 07:15, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Artists, Women, Photography, and Hungary. Spiderone(Talk to Spider) 17:55, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment - User:1374maafba has been Canvassing for support on 11 user pages. - Arjayay (talk) 19:52, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I have asked other editors to help me improve the articles I edit. I would appreciate it if you would not constantly delete my messages. Respect for each other is important in the writing space on Wikipedia. Again, I would like to ask the editors and experienced people here to help me review the articles I write so that I can write better articles. Deleting articles without even reviewing and guiding the author is a thoughtless act. I would appreciate it if my articles were reviewed and then the points needed to correct them were announced. 1374maafba (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't believe anyone has been "constantly delet[ing] [your] messages"; I don't see any of your comments removed from anyone's pages. On the other hand, you have removed Arjayay's comments here and at another AFD, and removed conversation from Arjayay's talk page. CountryANDWestern (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- It was your page that I asked for help from and asked for a reason why you were deleting my page, but you deleted my message. 1374maafba (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I did no such thing. On Simple English Wikipedia you posted 6 different messages calling me "malicious" and calling for the community to "remove [me] from the platform" which an administrator removed as a personal attack. You also posted a similar message on the other AFD involving your articles earlier that you removed yourself later. But, let's not get too caught up in discussing these things here and we'll focus instead on the article. CountryANDWestern (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's just that Arjayay also uses words like "Canvassing" under all my articles. I'm a new editor. Is it that hard to guide me? I'd appreciate it if you'd show me some respect. 1374maafba (talk) 20:41, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I thank you again for your guidance and my request is to help me in writing articles. I have written 28 sources for this article and also added sources in the text. I hope that experienced editors will guide me and help me in improving the articles. 1374maafba (talk) 20:45, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I did no such thing. On Simple English Wikipedia you posted 6 different messages calling me "malicious" and calling for the community to "remove [me] from the platform" which an administrator removed as a personal attack. You also posted a similar message on the other AFD involving your articles earlier that you removed yourself later. But, let's not get too caught up in discussing these things here and we'll focus instead on the article. CountryANDWestern (talk) 20:26, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Anyway, I explained on my page that, as a new editor and based on my observations, I thought it was appropriate to delete. I sincerely apologize for any inconvenience this may have caused and would greatly appreciate your understanding. I am seeking guidance as someone who has just started contributing to Wikipedia and is eager to learn.
- I kindly request that experienced editors review the articles I have worked on and provide guidance for improving them. My goal is to be a constructive contributor on Wikipedia, particularly by creating valuable content about photographers and artists. As you may notice, all my edits and articles so far have been in the fields of art and photography, where I have over 10 years of experience, and I hope to share this expertise to benefit the Wikipedia community.
- It was your page that I asked for help from and asked for a reason why you were deleting my page, but you deleted my message. 1374maafba (talk) 20:20, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- I don't believe anyone has been "constantly delet[ing] [your] messages"; I don't see any of your comments removed from anyone's pages. On the other hand, you have removed Arjayay's comments here and at another AFD, and removed conversation from Arjayay's talk page. CountryANDWestern (talk) 20:09, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Hello, I have asked other editors to help me improve the articles I edit. I would appreciate it if you would not constantly delete my messages. Respect for each other is important in the writing space on Wikipedia. Again, I would like to ask the editors and experienced people here to help me review the articles I write so that I can write better articles. Deleting articles without even reviewing and guiding the author is a thoughtless act. I would appreciate it if my articles were reviewed and then the points needed to correct them were announced. 1374maafba (talk) 20:05, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Once again, I apologize for any issues caused and sincerely hope to have the support and guidance of other editors as I continue on this path. 1374maafba (talk) 20:28, 18 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment another WP:WALLOFTEXT explaining abusing WP policies by newbie status. Canvassing is not permitted. LLMs are not permitted. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 15:37, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The BBC and CBSNews sources that 1374maafba added to the article yesterday suffice to establish notability. As for the likely LLM generated walls of text in the AFD discussion, that's not great, but not a reason for deletion of the article. 13 is a new user, they'll get there eventually. We were all new users once. I personally didn't have LLMs available to me when I was a new user, but, you know, there but for the grace of God.... --GRuban (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- I think it unfair to ask fellow editors to AGF of a SPA machine that has gamed the system, and published two non-notable articles on their 20th and 21st edits. We have enough volunteer work to do. This is not a net gain to the project.--WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 18:28, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- 13: advice, listing 28 sources in the AFD is better than nothing, but actually using the best ones from there in the article is better. Ideally the way you'd have written that article was by starting from that list of sources, not by waiting for the AFD. The best ones means respected news sources, that go in depth, and not written by the article subject. Similarly, improving the article is better than writing a lot in the AFD. For the AFD, short is good. Actually for the article short and simple would be good too, phrases like "exploring themes of identity and the complexities of the human experience" and "utilizing metaphor and visual storytelling to convey deep emotional narrative" don't really mean very much. --GRuban (talk) GRuban (talk) 15:53, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks for your guidance. I'm a new editor and still gaining experience, so I really appreciate your help as I learn. 1374maafba (talk) 20:39, 19 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. The WP:THREE sources provided above demonstrate her notability. I'd like to remind everyone to assume good faith. Kovcszaln6 (talk) 08:10, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: This discussion has been tainted by widespread canvassing, attempts to remove other people's comments here, and a smear campaign against the nom. I find it necessary to relist this for a clearer consensus. @1374maafba: you are very close to losing your editing privileges.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 18:20, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- weak keep: The BBC piece in the article now is fine, this [1] and this [2] help. I don't see a listing in the Getty Ulan though [3]. Oaktree b (talk) 20:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep – based on the sourcing she appears to have met notability. PigeonChickenFish (talk) 00:54, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep as the sources above, particularly the ones provided by Oaktree, show notability. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 09:51, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep per sources above and [4] which is noted above in the big list and later in text. Subject may also pass WP:NARTIST. Note source 2 listed above by Oaktree b is an interview. Nonetheless I think there's enough for GNG. Nnev66 (talk) 19:23, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comments. This was very close to WP:15 or WP:TNT. The mix of AI and BLP is not just an innocent mistake; I'm concerned that it could be used as an excuse to destroy us. I edited out what is easily the most blatant use of LLM. I can go along with it, but I can't !vote to keeping it. Bearian (talk) 11:18, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
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