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edit- Bahahuddin Nadwi (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Repost of previously deleted and salted material: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahauddeen Nadwi, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahauddeen Muhammed Nadwi, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bahauddeen Nadwi (2nd nomination). Created by a sockpuppet evading a block. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:04, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators, Islam, and India. Shellwood (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: If universities are considered always notable under WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, why wouldn’t the founding Vice Chancellor of such a university meet the threshold for notability?
Darul Huda Islamic University has been kept after previous deletion nominations (see: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darul Huda Islamic University – result: speedy keep). The subject of this article, Bahauddeen Nadwi, is not just affiliated — he is the founder and long-serving VC, and his name appears in reliable sources including official institutional materials.
The only real issue here seems to be confusion over name spelling variants (e.g., "Bahauddeen" vs. "Bahahuddin"). That shouldn't be grounds for deletion — it can be corrected or merged rather than removed entirely. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 15:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kerala-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 15:45, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Just to note that was speedy kept in 2013 because of WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, but SCHOOLOUTCOMES was changed in 2017 so that schools are no longer always notable. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- A better reference would be the latest AfD, WP:Articles for deletion/Darul Huda Islamic University (4th nomination) were the result was keep -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- It's surprising to see that Darul Huda Islamic University has faced four AfD nominations, despite being an established institution with coverage in reliable sources. The repeated nominations of related topics like Bahauddeen Nadwi and the deletion of Al Jamia Al Islamiya raise important questions about consistency in how Wikipedia applies notability standards for educational and religious institutions.
- If WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES no longer guarantees notability for all universities, then we need to rely even more on clear sourcing standards and community consistency. But in cases like DHIU repeated nominations seem excessive.
- I understand the need to prevent spam or promotional content, but deletion should not become the default response to institutions or people outside mainstream Western academia, especially when reliable sources exist.
- What is the goal of repeated deletions if notability is already reasonably established? Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 16:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- This has nothing to do with "
mainstream Western academia
", all universitirs are judged by the same standards regardless of where they re in the world -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:30, 31 August 2025 (UTC)- You’re right that standards are global, but enforcement feels inconsistent. Why different outcomes for similar Islamic institutions in Kerala?
- Rahmaniyya Arabic College – live
- Jami'a Nooriyya Arabic College – live
- Coordination of Islamic Colleges – live but tagged as promotional
- Academy of Sharia and Advanced Studies – borderline
- Darul Huda Islamic University – kept after 3 AfDs
- Al Jamia Al Islamiya – deleted
- The founder VC, Bahauddeen Nadwi, shaped Darul Huda’s vision, curriculum, and global recognition. Under NPROF criterion 6 or WP:GNG, this kind of lasting institutional impact deserves weight.
- This isn’t about automatic notability — it’s about consistency and recognizing non-Western academic leadership.
- If the university is notable, the founding VC who built it over decades is likely notable too. Otherwise, both should be considered non-notable — but not selectively. ~~~~ Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 02:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- You’re right that standards are global, but enforcement feels inconsistent. Why different outcomes for similar Islamic institutions in Kerala?
- This has nothing to do with "
- A better reference would be the latest AfD, WP:Articles for deletion/Darul Huda Islamic University (4th nomination) were the result was keep -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 16:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. The "keep" AfD result at WP:Articles for deletion/Darul Huda Islamic University (4th nomination) is highly suspicious, especially given that 2 of the keep !voters were subsequently banned. The only thing that "deletion is the default response to" is the contempt for proper processes that has been shown here; block evasion, source falsification, inappropriate use of AI, conflict-of-interest editing, WP:GAMENAMEing, etc; my goal in nominating this page for deletion was to ensure that those antics don't prevail, and I would do the same for any subject regardless of whether or not it is
outside mainstream Western acaemia
. And while this is expressly my own opinion and contrary to policy which says that the content decision should not be influenced by other's behavior, I personally am totally fine with the consequences of resorting to such tactics being that articles on topics that would otherwise have survived be deleted. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:44, 31 August 2025 (UTC)- In my personal opinion, the Vice Chancellor of a clearly notable university should also be considered notable — especially if they are the founding VC and have held that role over a long period. The position itself carries significant academic and public responsibility.
- While I understand that notability must be supported by reliable, independent sources per WP:GNG, I believe that holding a top leadership role at an institution like Darul Huda Islamic University — which has been subject to multiple AfDs and kept — is a strong indicator of independent significance. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Automatic notability for academics usually requires a named chair rather than being a vice principal, see WP:NPROF for the details. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Being vice chancellor would usually cut it... but there is no reliable source evidence this university counts as a
major academic institution
. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:07, 1 September 2025 (UTC)- If the university doesn't count as a
major academic institution
, then why has the article about it been kept after 4 AfDs?
- If the university doesn't count as a
- Being vice chancellor would usually cut it... but there is no reliable source evidence this university counts as a
- Automatic notability for academics usually requires a named chair rather than being a vice principal, see WP:NPROF for the details. -- LCU ActivelyDisinterested «@» °∆t° 21:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- You can’t disqualify the VC on one hand while reaffirming the institution’s notability on the other. Either both are non-notable, or the founder of a repeatedly-kept institution deserves a fair evaluation. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 03:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- “Notable” for Wikipedia purposes does not equal “major”. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:26, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- You can’t disqualify the VC on one hand while reaffirming the institution’s notability on the other. Either both are non-notable, or the founder of a repeatedly-kept institution deserves a fair evaluation. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 03:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and salt. Subject does not seem to meet WP:NPROF; notability of an institution does not confer notability on its officials. Miniapolis 22:00, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: and salt this one too for good measure. Clearly this was deliberately created at an erroneous title to evade the well-established SALT of this subject, who is no more notable than than the last AfD due to the lack of independent, reliable, secondary source coverage. The WP:NACADEMIC #6 pass is for the heads of
major academic institution[s]
, not unaccredited private educational groups. Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:06, 1 September 2025 (UTC)- If the university is notable, the founding VC who built it over decades is likely notable too. Otherwise, both should be considered non-notable — but not selectively.
- Why delete the article about the Vice Chancellor and keep the one about the “unaccredited private educational group”? If Darul Huda Islamic University has survived multiple AfDs and is still considered notable, that itself confirms notability — and the person most associated with its founding, growth, and public image deserves equivalent consideration. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Delete – Per nom. At least it's the case for WP:TNT, if the article is suitable for the project it should at least be checked by other members. Svartner (talk) 03:22, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- If this is a case for WP:TNT, then it should be rebuilt — not deleted. The subject passes WP:GNG based on independent coverage, and is directly tied to an institution that survived multiple AfDs. Deletion removes valid encyclopedic content instead of improving it. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Please stop WP:BLUDGEONing this discussion by replying to every single comment; you've made your case already and at some point you'll have to accept that it failed to convince the community. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:56, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- If this is a case for WP:TNT, then it should be rebuilt — not deleted. The subject passes WP:GNG based on independent coverage, and is directly tied to an institution that survived multiple AfDs. Deletion removes valid encyclopedic content instead of improving it. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 03:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Svartner: Just to clarify a doubt — this article exists in 6 other language Wikipedias (Arabic, Malayalam, Urdu, Punjabi, Hindi, Bangla). I understand that cross-wiki presence alone does not establish notability on English Wikipedia, since each project applies its own standards. But if reliable, independent sources are cited in those versions, they can still be used here to support WP:GNG. Should we also consider reviewing those versions for sources before concluding? If anything feels problematic, a cross-wiki investigation could be started. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 08:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Each wiki is independent in its ability to assess whether the content is relevant or not. My case here isn't even about the subject relevance, but rather the fact that it was created as a block evasion by a sockpuppet after three other AfDs. Therefore, in my understanding, this is a clear case for WP:TNT. Svartner (talk) 08:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Svartner: Okey, I am not an expert in Wikipedia policies, but I always aim to maintain an encyclopedic tone across projects.
- My main concern is consistency. Darul Huda Islamic University has already been through four AfDs and was kept each time.
- What is your opinion about the Islamic university itself? If the institution is considered notable, then the VC’s role should also be assessed in that context. If not, then for consistency, a new AfD should be started about the Islamic university rather than deciding only on the VC’s article. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 09:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- I assure you in advance that you should not think I am dragging your valuable time into something unnecessary. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 09:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- In my view, merging or moving Darul Huda Islamic University to Chemmad would be appropriate. As per WP:MERGE and WP:CONSISTENCY, content that cannot independently satisfy WP:GNG can be better preserved within a broader, related topic.
- A geographic article like Chemmad can include notable local institutions, per WP:NGEO, especially when the institution is primarily notable for its ___location rather than for broad independent coverage. This way, verifiable information is retained without maintaining a standalone article that may not meet notability requirements. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 09:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Each wiki is independent in its ability to assess whether the content is relevant or not. My case here isn't even about the subject relevance, but rather the fact that it was created as a block evasion by a sockpuppet after three other AfDs. Therefore, in my understanding, this is a clear case for WP:TNT. Svartner (talk) 08:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and salt. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NPROF. Salt as article has been recreated under a variety of names. Woodroar (talk) 04:19, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Woodroar: What is your opinion on the fact that Darul Huda Islamic University has already passed AfD four times and been kept? If the institution is considered notable after repeated scrutiny, doesn’t that strengthen the case that its founding Vice Chancellor — who shaped its vision and development — merits consideration under WP:GNG or WP:NPROF? Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Notability is not inherited. Also consider this an official warning about bludgeoning. - The Bushranger One ping only 06:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Woodroar: What is your opinion on the fact that Darul Huda Islamic University has already passed AfD four times and been kept? If the institution is considered notable after repeated scrutiny, doesn’t that strengthen the case that its founding Vice Chancellor — who shaped its vision and development — merits consideration under WP:GNG or WP:NPROF? Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 05:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Delete and salt - not notable and attempts to recreate it. Doug Weller talk 08:12, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: What is your opinion about the university itself? Darul Huda Islamic University has passed four AfDs and been kept each time. If the university is judged notable, then nothing further is needed; otherwise, a new AfD should be started about DHIU for consistency. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- My opinion is that if you continue WP:Bludgeoning you may have to be taken to WP:ANI Doug Weller talk 12:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- @Doug Weller: What is your opinion about the university itself? Darul Huda Islamic University has passed four AfDs and been kept each time. If the university is judged notable, then nothing further is needed; otherwise, a new AfD should be started about DHIU for consistency. Hidaya Chemmad (talk) 08:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Could 'Hidaya Chemmad' be the blocked users [1] and [2]? 'Hidaya Chemmad' is a recent account, has a very limited range of articles of interest, is being very insistent about these articles, these articles are the same ones which the blocked users were focused on. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:D3:FF09:81C0:CF73:9EAC:E3BF:71E8 (talk) 16:10, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Sam Shamoun (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Non-notable subject. All I could find were blogs and press releases. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects
17:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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17:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC) - Delete: Non-notable person with no significant coverate. ~Darth StabroTalk • Contribs 17:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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- less notable people with article that are apologetics. no point in deleting it Mediocremathematician (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mediocremathematician how?? You sourced a blog called God Reports and a social media platform called Reddit. ~Rafael
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00:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)- get better sources then dont just outright delete it. Mediocremathematician (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mediocremathematician but there are no good sources online. ~Rafael
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12:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)- @Mediocremathematician they need to follow WP:BLP or else is leaves Wikipedia. ~Rafael
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12:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mediocremathematician they need to follow WP:BLP or else is leaves Wikipedia. ~Rafael
- @Mediocremathematician but there are no good sources online. ~Rafael
- He is a YouTuber with a relatively sizeable following AML KING (talk) 01:55, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @AML KING so? Just because the YouTuber has many followers, does not mean they should have an article. What, you think KreekCraft would work?? ~Rafael
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12:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @AML KING so? Just because the YouTuber has many followers, does not mean they should have an article. What, you think KreekCraft would work?? ~Rafael
- get better sources then dont just outright delete it. Mediocremathematician (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mediocremathematician how?? You sourced a blog called God Reports and a social media platform called Reddit. ~Rafael
- less notable people with article that are apologetics. no point in deleting it Mediocremathematician (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Illinois-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:10, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- Weak Delete Well, I guess I'm getting pulled out of retirement just to look at this AfD (I used to watch his content every once and awhile). 90% of the sources cited are low-quality blogs, reddit, and his personal website. However, I haven't fully !voted delete because GodReports does provide some substantive information, although I'm not finding other sources that do the same thing (heck, we could even expand the article using info from GodReports!). (If anybody wants to convince me that GodReports is also not marginally RS, I would like to hear your reasoning). ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 16:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @HistoryTheorist maybe but GodReports as one source only might not be enough. ~Rafael
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18:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)- Yeah, that's why I wouldn't keep it. If @Mediocremathematician would like a copy of it in user space or draft space, I wouldn't be proposed to saving it in there so long as they don't move it back to article space. ❤HistoryTheorist❤ 22:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- yea i watched his content to thus i made this low effort article and expected the pros to polish it i am a beginner in wikipedia so take the articles quality from me not the internet Mediocremathematician (talk) 20:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
- @HistoryTheorist maybe but GodReports as one source only might not be enough. ~Rafael
- Jusuf Zimeri (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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Unable to find WP:GNG level sources. Most of the cited sources are self-published or connected to the source, and the ones that aren't make only trivial mention of the subject. Subject also does not seem to qualify for any WP:NPROF criteria. 🌸wasianpower🌸 (talk • contribs) 02:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
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- Tariq Masood (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The article has already been deleted twice, once in 2023 and again in 2024. Looking at the current version, it reads less like a Wikipedia article and more like a résumé written in a promotional tone. As for the references, the majority come from WP:NEWSORGINDIA, which are largely routine coverage. The subject seems to appear in the news from time to time mainly due to controversies, which again amounts to routine coverage. I don’t think the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR in any way. Mehar R. Khan (talk) 13:32, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
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Keep (as the creator of this article) – I respectfully disagree with the deletion nomination. The subject meets WP:GNG because there is clear evidence of significant, independent coverage in multiple reliable sources across different regions and languages. In Pakistan, outlets such as Dawn have covered Tariq Masood’s role in national debates including his participation in anti-extremism seminars and opposition to domestic legislation, while The Express Tribune reported on his participation in major religious conferences. In India, mainstream newspapers including The Print, The Economic Times, Navbharat Times and Rajasthan Patrika have all reported on him, particularly in the context of blasphemy debates, public threats, and controversies. In Bangladesh, media such as Somoy News, Kaler Kantho, Dhaka Today, Dhaka Post, and Naya Diganta gave extensive coverage to his 2025 tour, including addresses at leading universities and mass gatherings, with multiple outlets analysing the reasons for his popularity among youth. In addition, his presence is documented in academic work: a 2024 German-language study on antisemitism in social media lists him among Pakistani clerics whose Urdu sermons contained hostile rhetoric towards Jews and Zionism,[1] while a 2023 peer-reviewed chapter on Islamic preaching analyses his use of social media as part of wider trends in South Asian religious discourse.[2]The range of sourcing—spanning Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Germany—demonstrates coverage that is neither routine nor trivial, but substantial and sustained over time. It includes reporting on his educational background, international preaching, controversies, and his role in social debates. This satisfies WP:GNG as well as WP:AUTHOR, since coverage exists in both news media and academic literature. The article draft may have contained promotional tone, but this is a matter for neutral copy-editing and trimming under WP:NPOV, not a reason for deletion. Given the breadth and independence of sources, the subject clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability standards and the article should therefore be kept. Khaatir (talk) 14:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
References
- ^ Hübscher, Monika; Mering, Sabine von (2024-06-17). Antisemitismus in den Sozialen Medien [Antisemitism in Social Media] (in German). Verlag Barbara Budrich. p. 168. ISBN 978-3-8474-1950-1.
- ^ Sajjad, Mohammad Waqas (2023-12-18), Akca, Ayşe Almıla; Feise-Nasr, Mona; Stenske, Leonie; Süer, Aydın (eds.), "Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan", Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, De Gruyter, pp. 237–256, doi:10.1515/9783110788334-012, ISBN 978-3-11-078833-4, retrieved 2025-08-18
- Keep (as the page creator) – Subject is covered in multiple independent reliable sources, including Dawn, The Express Tribune, ThePrint (India), De Gruyter (academic), and JSTOR. The article has been rewritten in a neutral tone with strong citations addressing past concerns. Khaatir (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – The current version has been substantially revised: promotional tone trimmed, unreliable/WP:NEWSORGINDIA-type citations removed, and replaced with stronger sourcing. It now cites mainstream outlets like Dawn, The Express Tribune, ThePrint, ABP and Navbharat Times, along with peer-reviewed academic studies (JSTOR 2022, De Gruyter 2023, Univ. of Chitral 2024, German monograph 2024). These provide independent, significant coverage across Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Europe. Thus, the article now addresses past AfD concerns on sourcing and neutrality, and demonstrates notability per WP:GNG. Khaatir (talk) 02:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- I was previously unsure how best to present the sourcing. To clarify: in addition to coverage in Pakistani, Indian, and Bangladeshi newspapers, there are several peer-reviewed academic sources and scholarly books that discuss Tariq Masood in depth. These include:
- Sajjad, Mohammad Waqas (2023-12-18), Akca, Ayşe Almıla; Feise-Nasr, Mona; Stenske, Leonie; Süer, Aydın (eds.), "Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan", Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, De Gruyter, pp. 237–256, doi:10.1515/9783110788334-012, ISBN 978-3-11-078833-4, retrieved 2025-08-25 (20 pages on Masood)
- Jafar, Imad (2022). "The History of the Epithet al-Ghawth al-Aʿzam in South Asian Islamic Discourse". Islamic Studies. 61 (3): 266–267. doi:10.52541/isiri.v61i3.2442. ISSN 0578-8072. JSTOR 27236434. (almost one page on Masood)
- Kelso, Erin (2024-03-01). "Women marching for solidarity: 5 years of Aurat March in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan". Dialectical Anthropology. 48 (1): 124. doi:10.1007/s10624-024-09720-4. ISSN 1573-0786 – via Springer.com. (almost three paragraphs related to Masood)
- Sagheer, Iram; Fatima, Emaan; Khan, Zoya; Ali, Khadija (2024). "A Pragmatic Analysis of Pakistani Religious Podcast (Mufti Tariq Masood)". University of Chitral Journal of Linguistics & Literature. 8 (1). University of Chitral: 288–302. Archived from the original on 11 February 2025. Retrieved 25 August 2025. (A peer-reviewed article of approximately 15 pages)
- Jabbar, Ms Almees; Qureshi, Dr Hafsa Ayaz (2023-10-24). "Physical Abuse in Pakistan: An Islāmic Perspective on Violence in Interpersonal Relationships". Al-Hameed Islamic Studies Research Journal. 2 (2): 25. ISSN 2959-1767. Archived from the original on 26 August 2025. (two sentences on Masood)
- Hübscher, Monika; von Mering, Sabine, eds. (2024-06-17). Antisemitismus in den Sozialen Medien (1 ed.). Verlag Barbara Budrich. p. 168. doi:10.2307/jj.16148256. ISBN 978-3-8474-1950-1. JSTOR jj.16148256. (name listed among Pakistani YouTube preachers in a study on antisemitic hate speech)
- These are independent, scholarly publications that go beyond routine news coverage. Khaatir (talk) 00:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- The Indian references, except the two articles from ThePrint, have been removed, and such content has also been excluded which was based solely on Indian material. Khaatir (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- I was previously unsure how best to present the sourcing. To clarify: in addition to coverage in Pakistani, Indian, and Bangladeshi newspapers, there are several peer-reviewed academic sources and scholarly books that discuss Tariq Masood in depth. These include:
- Procedural note: Some comments misstate the deletion history. The article has indeed been deleted several times in the past, but not always through AfD. It was speedily deleted under A7 and G12, and once via PROD, in 2020 and again in 2024. Those are not AfD outcomes. There has only been one prior AfD, in October 2023, which closed as delete (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tariq Masood). The present discussion is therefore the second AfD nomination, not “round three.” Khaatir (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: - besides the nominator, 3 others !voted to delete this article during the other AfD. All 3 of them were subsequently blocked as sockpuppets.--A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 00:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment – The current version has been substantially revised: promotional tone trimmed, unreliable/WP:NEWSORGINDIA-type citations removed, and replaced with stronger sourcing. It now cites mainstream outlets like Dawn, The Express Tribune, ThePrint, ABP and Navbharat Times, along with peer-reviewed academic studies (JSTOR 2022, De Gruyter 2023, Univ. of Chitral 2024, German monograph 2024). These provide independent, significant coverage across Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Europe. Thus, the article now addresses past AfD concerns on sourcing and neutrality, and demonstrates notability per WP:GNG. Khaatir (talk) 02:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
Delete: I have looked at the references in the article, and I agree with the nominator that most of them are from WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The article has also been deleted multiple times in the past due to notability concerns. Beyond that, there is nothing in-depth about the subject. I don’t think the subject passes even WP:BASIC. Some of the sources used in the article, such as Times Now, Bol News, Somoy News, and Express News, are completely non-reliable. Their inclusion in the article only serves to mislead other editors or waste their time.Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)One more point to other editors and closing admins: the editor who posted the keep comment above is the article’s original creator.
Baqi:) (talk) 14:29, 24 August 2025 (UTC)- Delete and Salt. Fails WP:GNG. The sources are not clearly independent per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. WP:SALT because this is now round three at AFD.4meter4 (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Non-notable individual, he got some media coverage for his viral clips on social media, and a blasphemy controversy. But most of this coverage is WP:NEWSORGINDIA and not WP:SIGCOV. Subject is evidently not passing the criteria mentioned in Wp:GNG. Also SALT is applicable as per the fellow editor, 4meter4. Zuck28 (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:NEWSORGINDIA and BLPSOURCES. —Fortuna, imperatrix 14:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep There seem to be a lot of confusions around the sources utilises in this article. For the sake of notability, I believe this article is a clear pass. We have Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan in De Gruyter's Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, a detailed 20 page academic article on Tariq Masood. We have more than a paragraph on Page 266 of The History of the Epithet al-Ghawth al-A'ẓam in South Asian Islamic Discourse, and also that we have A Pragmatic Analysis of Pakistani Religious Podcast (Mufti Tariq Masood), as a very important academic resource that discusses Tariq Masood from a linguistic prism. Given that these are my three best picks, the rest of the coverage in Dawn, ThePrint and the rest of the sources is a good supplement. The subject meets WP:GNG. Regards, Aafi (talk) 17:28, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: Please note, Khaatir (the article creator) and Aafi are connected with the same Wikimedia community. It is possible that WP:MEATPUPPETRY is involved here, so this should also be taken into consideration. Mehru13 (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- That's a weird speculation. My interests are way different than that of Khaatir (even though they might voluntarily belong to a certain Wikimedia community, this doesn't inherently establish meatpuppetry). Would you want to refute the argument that I presented for establishing notability? Apart from this, I really don't have anything to say. Regards, Aafi (talk) 18:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Mehru13, your insinuations of meatpuppetry are serious. If you have evidence of this, take it to WP:SPI or, if it involves offline evidence, email the Arbitration Committee. Otherwise, you are casting aspersions which may boomerang back at you. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 02:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- That's a weird speculation. My interests are way different than that of Khaatir (even though they might voluntarily belong to a certain Wikimedia community, this doesn't inherently establish meatpuppetry). Would you want to refute the argument that I presented for establishing notability? Apart from this, I really don't have anything to say. Regards, Aafi (talk) 18:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment - previous deletions:
- 21 November 2020 - PROD -
"This article is about a non-notable character in a TV series."
- That first article was not about this person
- 23 November 2020 - speedy deletion
"(A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)"
- The current version of the article clears the low bar of WP:A7 by a wide margin
- This second article followed the PROD by 2 days - was it about the same TV character?
- 14 December 2020 - speedy deletion
"(G12-type: copy-paste from draft space)"
- WP:G12 isn't applicable to this version
- This third article followed the PROD by 3 weeks - was it about the same TV character?
- 24 October 2023 - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tariq Masood.
- 3 editors !voted to delete (besides the nominator). All 3 were subsequently indefinitely blocked as sockpuppets of banned users Syed amjad08, Dove's talk and Darshak.parmar. One other person expressed reservations about deletion but did not formally say "keep". Had the socks been discovered during the AfD, it would probably have been kept open and re-listed.
- This fourth version was about the same Muslim cleric as the current article
- 6 September 2024 - speedy deletion
"(A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)"
- The current version of the article clears the low bar of WP:A7 by a wide margin
- Was that fifth, 2024 article about the cleric or the TV character?
- 21 November 2020 - PROD -
- I don't think any of the 5 previous deletions apply to the current article. Some weren't even the same person. I'm not arguing that the article should be kept -- just that the previous deletions shouldn't have much bearing here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A. B. (talk • contribs)
Admin note, just answering to AB's questions about deleted content: September 2024 deleted article is a much worse article about this same person, as were December 14 and November 23, 2020. None are relevant to the content in the current article at AfD for reasons you indicated above. No opinion on merit of current one as to notability Star Mississippi 01:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment, the nominator, Mehru13 described the article thusly:
"Looking at the current version, it reads less like a Wikipedia article and more like a résumé written in a promotional tone."
. Since that time, the article has been edited over 100 times, mostly by Khaatir, and substantially rewritten. It's now a well-cited, very good article and not promotional in tone at all. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 02:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC) - Keep per Khaatir and Aafi plus my own previous comments. Clearly notable. --A. B. (talk • contribs • global count) 02:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)
- Nadia Ali (actress) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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The 2017 AfD was snowed in favor of retaining the article. I believe this was incorrect. The subject fails ANYBIO. The subject has not received a well known honor nor has the person made a widely recognized contribution to the field. The claim to fame is basically “Muslim adult performer.” This performer post-dates Mia Khalifa’s hijab scene, so Nadia Ali is not any sort of “first,” in the field. Even if she were, what exactly is her contribution here? There were remarks in the first AfD that she was threatened and it got coverage. A woman was threatened online? Hardly a man bites dog situation. If one wants to argue ANYBIO, how was adult entertainment changed by her brief time in the industry? It was not. Even then, ANYBIO (which I maintain she does not meet) is merely a likelihood, not a guarantee. There is substantial overlap between ANYBIO and WP:ENT, so this might be a little redundant, BUT she did not star in many adult films and as I mention in why I believe the subject fails ANYBIO, her short-lived career did not have a unique, prolific or innovative contributions to a field of entertainment. Even the sources themselves state she did a small number of scenes. WP:EVENT would not consider her notable for any of the scenes had they gone viral.
The other argument is WP:GNG. The sourcing in the article is such: There are two Daily Beast interviews and a quote of her all written by the same author (an actual notable performer). For the purposes of GNG, this would be a single source only if those interviews are considered sufficiently independent of the subject. The other sources are also interviews and press releases.
In the first AfD, someone listed a bunch of sources as a rebuttal. The problem is some run afoul of WP:NEWSORGINDIA and the repetitive natures of those that don’t run afoul make me question the intellectual independence and if such a list was confusing existence with notability. Mpen320 (talk) 00:48, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: https://www.thetimes.com/culture/tv-radio/article/actress-threatened-after-hijabi-porn-is-unveiled-907jtv92n6p and other articles including interviews seem to show she is notable indeed.
Redirect to Pornography in Pakistan, if not enough.[Edited-Forget this stupid redirect idea, please]- E. Ux 14:19, 22 August 2025 (UTC) - Keep: per above. Zakaria ښه راغلاست (talk) 19:58, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
- Keep. This subject meets WP:N and there are multiple references discussing her, including The New York Times, Daily Pakistan, and more.[3][4][5] Centralknights (talk) 15:29, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
- The NYT article is an op-ed, the India Today article was provided by AtMigration (which, I believe, supplies articles to multiple websites), the Daily Pakistan article isn’t bylined and The Times article is inaccessible. How does this meet WP:N? Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 08:49, 24 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is also Jansatta and The Daily Beast.[6][7] Centralknights (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- The Jansatta article isn’t bylined and the Daily Beast piece is just an interview, with no consensus on its reliability. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 04:29, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- There is also Jansatta and The Daily Beast.[6][7] Centralknights (talk) 16:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Delete: Open to changing my vote if someone brings better WP:THREE sources. Until then, the subject fails WP:GNG per my analysis of the sources mentioned above. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I'm leaning Keep with references 1-3 listed here, and articles in the Daily Beast with a couple of paragraphs about the subject like [8] (ProQuest 1813269656) and [9] (ProQuest 1780576122, part interview). This one [10] pasted as a link above from The Times is a summary of Daily Beast interviews (I think it should count). I'm seriously considering Mpen320's WP:ANYBIO point though. One could argue that being one of the first Muslim porn actresses might not be notable, but there is coverage of the subject, and the ANYBIO argument can be subjective. Nnev66 (talk) 15:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- You have essentially repeated what the previous editors mentioned. Those sources are op-eds, syndicated news, no consensus on reliability and The Times is inaccessible. This is without even considering the fact that they are interviews. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm explaining why I'm leaning Keep, hence my summary of the references. I think it's important to have references under consideration for GNG have numbers (i.e. not be pasted as links or with descriptions) so it's easier for editors to discuss them. The following in my opinion contribute to WP:BASIC: 1, 2, 3, 6/7 (I'm counting these together as one reference), 8. Note 8, The Times reference, is accessible by me so perhaps trying opening it in a different browser. This reference's content is based on a Daily Beast interview (primary source) but since it is using the DB interview as a basis for its content it's secondary. Nnev66 (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you have the time, please upload or share an image of The Times reference as it is not accessible on my mobile or desktop even after trying with multiple browsers. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- The title of the article is "Actress threatened after hijabi porn is unveiled" and there is a picture of Ali with the caption "Ali, 24, who grew up in the United States". The article starts off with a couple of paragraphs about “hijabi porn”. Here is the content about the subject from the article:
- Nadia Ali, one of its stars, said she was “doing porn as a Pakistani woman for the liberal movement, bringing women in a scarf or a head wrap to the camera. Now it’s no longer behind closed doors.” Ali, 24, who grew up in the United States, told The Daily Beast website that she was a practising Muslim and sought to avoid explicit references to Islam in the titles of her films. “I’ve been told, ‘you’re not a Muslim, you’re a disgrace to Pakistan, Pakistan won’t accept you,’ but I do come from a Middle Eastern background and I am Muslim, not the way my parents are, but by practice,” Ali said. “For me, it’s about the Pakistani culture, not the religion,” she said. “This year I plan to do a lot of girl on girl and solo scenes to show the world that Middle Eastern girls of Pakistani descent really do get horny.” Ali and Mia Khalifa, a Lebanese adult film actress, say they have received death threats after performing dressed in a hijab. Nnev66 (talk) 18:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- If you have the time, please upload or share an image of The Times reference as it is not accessible on my mobile or desktop even after trying with multiple browsers. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I'm explaining why I'm leaning Keep, hence my summary of the references. I think it's important to have references under consideration for GNG have numbers (i.e. not be pasted as links or with descriptions) so it's easier for editors to discuss them. The following in my opinion contribute to WP:BASIC: 1, 2, 3, 6/7 (I'm counting these together as one reference), 8. Note 8, The Times reference, is accessible by me so perhaps trying opening it in a different browser. This reference's content is based on a Daily Beast interview (primary source) but since it is using the DB interview as a basis for its content it's secondary. Nnev66 (talk) 13:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- You have essentially repeated what the previous editors mentioned. Those sources are op-eds, syndicated news, no consensus on reliability and The Times is inaccessible. This is without even considering the fact that they are interviews. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 07:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting. I think this discussion might need a bit more time to consider whether sources provided are sufficient.
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- Delete: Ali had No conflict with Persians — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sepehr0987 (talk • contribs) 20:42, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- And what source do you prescribe to satisfy the claim ? I have provided dozens of sources mentioning it . Please don't be politically biased Legion of Liberty (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Persian revolts against Ali (656-661) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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fails WP:NOR and WP:GNG and possibly AI generated Iranian112 (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Automated comment: This AfD was not correctly transcluded to the log (step 3). I have transcluded it to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Log/2025 August 21. —cyberbot ITalk to my owner:Online 20:31, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: The revolts are well sourced from various relevant sources like Al-Tabari and Cambridge maybe the wordings be changed but telling it directly Artificially generated is incorrect, however the citations provided are reliable.
- Delete: Support per nom. R3YBOl (🌲) 19:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)
- Expand The revolts were an important part of early islamic history as well as of Iran. The article be expanded which will include the revolts which broke out after the collapse of the Sasanian Empire during the reign of Caliph Uthman and hence includes all the revolts against the Rashidun Caliphate. The title be changed as " Persian Revolts against the Rashidun Caliphate " however the article name can be negotiated later onwards.
- Legion of Liberty (talk) 12:47, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- The expanding that you're working on is still not useful. you should at least try adding page numbers to the sources so it won't fail WP:V. R3YBOl (🌲) 07:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have fixed much of the important citations with page numbers and added additional sources during the process which now verifies the events with reliable sources like al tabari and also multiple other references as well as secondary references. Further work is in progress. Let me know your consensus after the changes made Legion of Liberty (talk) 11:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- al-tabari isn't a reliable source because he's a primary source. avoid adding primary sources, and remove al–tabari from the sources because Wikipedia doesn't tolerate primary sources. R3YBOl (🌲) 11:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- I understand your concern about al - tabari being a primary source , however i have added several secondary and modern academic references such as (Touraj Daryaee, Mary Boyce, Elton Daniel, etc.) which verifies the historical context and reliability of Al-Tabari as well as the sources are not solely arab but also some persian affiliated as well as Independent sources and meet Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
Al tabari is a primary source but(Al tabari is NOT a Primary source and) not sole one but in conjunction with reliable secondary analysis. I believe the page needs improvement rather than deletion and I'll willing contribute with a unbiased perspective. Legion of Liberty (talk) 16:48, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- I understand your concern about al - tabari being a primary source , however i have added several secondary and modern academic references such as (Touraj Daryaee, Mary Boyce, Elton Daniel, etc.) which verifies the historical context and reliability of Al-Tabari as well as the sources are not solely arab but also some persian affiliated as well as Independent sources and meet Wikipedia:Reliable sources.
- al-tabari isn't a reliable source because he's a primary source. avoid adding primary sources, and remove al–tabari from the sources because Wikipedia doesn't tolerate primary sources. R3YBOl (🌲) 11:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- I have fixed much of the important citations with page numbers and added additional sources during the process which now verifies the events with reliable sources like al tabari and also multiple other references as well as secondary references. Further work is in progress. Let me know your consensus after the changes made Legion of Liberty (talk) 11:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- The expanding that you're working on is still not useful. you should at least try adding page numbers to the sources so it won't fail WP:V. R3YBOl (🌲) 07:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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- Comment Al Tabari is not a primary source. He was a historian who wrote about events taking place ling before he had lived.Mccapra (talk) 04:01, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
- Muhammad Muslehuddin Siddiqui (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View AfD | edits since nomination)
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I did a simple Google search on this person and only found a few fan-promoted websites. The article cites nine references: sources 1 and 7 are unreliable, user-generated fandom sites; 8 and 9 are death notices about someone else, with no direct relevance; and 5 and 6 are not references at all. The only primary source (Ahmad Noori) is used twice, but it is also unverifiable. No secondary sources are present to demonstrate the significance of this person as a religious figure per Wikipedia guidelines. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Delete.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 08:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Pakistan. –𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 08:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
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- Keep: The nomination's rationale is flawed. A simple Google search does not determine notability, especially for a historically significant figure like Muhammad Muslehuddin Siddiqui, a prominent Barelvi scholar and Sufi in India and Pakistan.
- Multiple reliable secondary sources, including scholarly Islamic websites and books, document his influence as a qari, preacher, and founder of Madrasa Anwar-ul-Islam. His authored works, like Samajiyaat, further establish notability under WP:AUTHOR.
- Sources 1 and 7 are not user-generated but reputable Islamic platforms; 8 and 9 are mischaracterized, as they provide context on his Barelvi contributions. Siddiqui’s cultural and religious impact in Sufism meets WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Zuck28 (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
- @Zuck28: Do you have any idea what secondary sources are? If you do, please share at least one. The number 1 source is https://www.thesunniway.com and number 7 is https://alahazrat.net . How did you reach the conclusion that these are reputable historical websites? What is their editorial methodology? Their very names suggest that they are fandom-style blogs run by specific groups. According to WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:USERGENERATED, such fansites are generally not acceptable as sources. The only unverifiable primary source is (Ahmad Noori). According to WP:PSTS, Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors. So, in that case, we have no secondary scholarly sources to verify the topic's notability.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 17:23, 22 August 2025 (UTC)
Weak keep: I have found a few sources that we can consider. Since this is not a BLP, I think we can allow for a bit more flexibility here. A detailed biography of the subject is available in the book Anwār-e-‘Ulamā-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat, Sindh (pp. 862–865). Another biography has been written by Shah Turab-ul-Haq, which can be accessed here. There is also an article about the subject on Scholar.pk. In addition, we can, in good faith, assume that there are further references available under WP:OFFLINE. Baqi:) (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2025 (UTC)Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)
WeakKeep per Baqi. I would trust Anwaar Ulama-e-Ahle Sunnat and also that Tazkira-e-Qari Muslehuddin seems academic resource as a whole about the subject. Also that there seems an impact of the subject beyond religious scholarship. We have always had the challenges of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, and I such I believe we can have this article. Even though it needs a good revamp but AfD is not cleanup. Regards, Aafi (talk) 18:34, 26 August 2025 (UTC)- Additionally, I believe this academic thesis (MPhil) makes me shift to keep :) Regards, Aafi (talk) 18:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting since one of the votes to keep is from a sockpuppet.
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