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Janzen Madsen

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Seemingly an attempted bypass of a previously several-times-rejected draft at Draft:Janzen Madsen. In short, this subject meets neither WP:NBIO or WP:GNG. There is little to no sourcing about this developer himself other than the fact he helped create Grow a Garden, and furthermore, no significant coverage. It is also an extremely poorly written and sourced article that I don't think has any place on Wikipedia at all and violates more WP:BLP policies than I can count, so even if the subject was notable (which I don't believe they are), WP:TNT likely applies. The only saving grace that could possibly save this article is WP:NCREATIVE, but I would personally not consider Grow a Garden to be a "significant or well-known work". And again, even if they were, if no reliable sources on the subject exist, it shouldn't be an article regardless of what the SNG says. Even the main WP:SNG policy hints towards this ("Therefore, topics which pass an SNG are presumed to merit an article, though articles which pass an SNG or the GNG may still be deleted or merged into another article, especially if adequate sourcing or significant coverage cannot be found, or if the topic is not suitable for an encyclopedia"). Normally, in a case like this, I'd advise a redirect, but in this case in particular I think searching for the developer themselves is implausible and this article as it is right now should not be preserved in my blunt and honest opinion. λ NegativeMP1 22:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Grow a Garden: Just because he made the most popular game in the world right now, does not mean he is automatically notable. There needs to be WP:SIGCOV about the person, which I found none of. GIven this, it's best to redirect him to the game he created, Grow a Garden. Unregistered Biohazard! 22:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello. I am the alt for the account that made this article. First off, I think he deserves an article because he is very well known in the Roblox Community. Secondly, im not really a good writer, so I apologize in advance for my poor writing. While I do agree for the sources, I have sourced some of Jandel’s personal life. Im sorry if this doesn’t make sense. Again, im not a good writer. I apologize in advance if it violates Wikipedia’s policies. One thing to note however is that i began writing on the Janzel Will Madsen page, not Janzel Madsen. Again, i apologize. Cheers!

-Wikiman2230 Idk887621 (talk) 22:43, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Being well known in the Roblox community is not an automatic golden ticket to notability. He needs to be covered in WP:RS, which I'm seeing none of. Unregistered Biohazard! 02:45, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect per nom. None of the cited sources discuss Jandel specifically. The article at Grow a Garden contains the greatest amount of information on Jandel, making redirecting the best choice. Ca ^{talk to me!} 22:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello. Is it fine if i can add those sources here? Idk887621 (talk) 22:54, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ignoring AfC does not suddenly absolve one of the necessity for the article to be notable. Furthermore, according to Grow a Garden, "The game was created by an anonymous 16-year-old who goes by the username "BMWLux"", so he doesn't appear sufficiently linked to merit redirection or merge. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 22:59, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Aw man :( I don’t make articles. But every time I do, they get deleted :( Is there any sources you recommend that i use for future articles? Idk887621 (talk) 23:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
WP:VG/S is a reliable source database for games. There is also WP:RSP and WP:SOURCEGUIDE for more general sources. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 00:42, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Idk887621 (talk) 02:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also just so you know, i dont think it’s a bypass Idk887621 (talk) 23:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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redirect per above. readers can look for info in fandom roblox wiki drinks or coffee _{or prime} *GET OUT* 13:20, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Charles Lukens

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The husband of a notable 19th century businesswoman but notability is not inherited, sources only confirm subject's existence, no independent notability. Orange sticker (talk) 20:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sam Richter

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I'm unable to find any independent coverage in reliable sources that would demonstrate either WP:BIO or WP:AUTHOR is met, just endless websites advertising the subject as a keynote speaker. The article seems to be a 17-year-old piece of spam. SmartSE (talk) 14:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Checked the first 10 references and they are either garbage or sub-par. First one links to Sam Richters personal page, and just the ___domain. Second is an affiliate article, the author even acknowledges that himself (quote: "Disclosure: I wrote the foreward." [in Sam Richter's book]). Third is a 404 page. I found it in Web Archive and it's a promo piece originating from "Fortune Small Business". Fourth, leads to an archived reference which has no mention of Sam Richter or any of his work. Nothing at all. Fifth is used to mislead and misrepresent the facts, – the statement supported by reference #5 implies that the book won some award, but the book, in fact, did not. And so on... Delete. Gab on vacation (talk) 15:09, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Forrest Sheldon

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I see no WP:SIGCOV in the refs, so this fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:12, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Meets WP:NCREATIVE#4: "The person has created or played a major role in co-creating a significant or well-known work or collective body of work. In addition, such work must have been the primary subject of multiple independent periodical articles or reviews, or of an independent and notable work (for example, a book, film, or television series, but usually not a single episode of a television series)." Sheldon directed and wrote for notable films in his career such as The Lone Trail, Phantom Thunderbolt and numerous other films, and there could be WP:SIGCOV out there still. MoviesandTelevisionFan (talk) 14:44, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: a clear and obvious WP:DIRECTOR and WP:CREATIVE pass..... - E.—UX 15:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Joe Calhoun

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Cut and pasted from Draft:Joe Calhoun. The user could have just submitted the draft for review! Mvcg66b3r (talk) 05:20, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: this appears to be a contesting of a draftification, as Draft:Joe Calhoun also started at this mainspace title before being moved to draftspace for insufficient sourcing. (I have no opinion at this time.) WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 06:13, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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It's all right I put the draft tabs back in and submitted it for review this time. Sorry about that, I hope it works this time. R2025kt (talk) 09:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just one more thing. I created this page in my own words because I want to touch on his legacy and how notable, accurate and precise Joe Calhoun had been to the Susquehanna Valley as the most trusted forecaster because of his legacy and why I created this Wikipedia page. I'm just saying so please don't delete this page. R2025kt (talk) 10:04, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rose Plumer

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Woefully unreferenced and undetailed biography on a likely unnotable figure -Samoht27 (talk) 05:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Lincoln Plumer: but could pass WP:NACTRESS as prolific (over 200 roles on ImDb), can be veriifed through Gbooks. Afi lists 15 of them, some being probably significant. - E.—UX 08:27, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ghina Raihanah

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Fails WP:GNG. Sources on the article mention her as Tsania Marwa's sister, making this a case of WP:INVALIDBIO, since her sister would be the more notable figure, but even she does not have an article on enwiki. Ckfasdf (talk) 01:28, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, multiple deletion on idwiki. 🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸 ^{(Let's talk)} ✉ 12:42, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ron Martin (journalist)

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I had PROD this, due to the lack of sourcing in RS. Rather routine career, nothing found beyond his employer's website. Prod removed, one small sourced added, I still don't think this meets notability. Oaktree b (talk) 15:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: "early life and education" has no sources and much of "career" cites nothing. I could not find any sources based on a perfunctory search as well. Would be open to changing my vote if evidence supporting notability is adduced. Kvinnen (talk) 18:54, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Kvinnen: I have brought some more sources to the table below, if you'd like to take a look. MediaKyle (talk) 23:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Hello MediaKyle, I do not see much improvement. Please let me know if I'm missing something. Kvinnen (talk) 12:42, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The question isn't whether the article has been improved, rather whether the subject meets WP:GNG. I believe I've demonstrated this below. Do you disagree? MediaKyle (talk) 13:59, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I don't think this article should be deleted because I created this in my own words and I believe including as part of WGAL means something like legacy. It's one of my favorite words. Legacy means that person left something for the other person to follow in that person's footsteps which is exactly he did and how he was on top of stories to be accurate and fair. So I'm asking you please don't delete this because I did fact check this and thank you for reviewing it too. R2025kt (talk) 17:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: A notable journalist. Emmy Award winner, coverage across multiple publications: "Retired WGAL-TV anchor Ron Martin is going back to work, but it's not in front of a camera", York Daily Record ... Former longtime central Pa. news anchor to be recognized for his contributions to the TV industry, Penn Live Patriot News ... Martin to lead Christmas Seal drive, The Gettysburg Times ... WGAL-TV News names Martin as co-anchor, York Daily Record ... interviewed Barack Obama ... References could be improved, yes, but we have enough for Ron Martin to satisfy WP:GNG / WP:ANYBIO. -- MediaKyle (talk) 22:58, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Femi Olubanwo

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Fails WP:GNG. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 12:00, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Very weak keep - not as a lawyer but as a speaker. He's apparently done nothing to help The Bar, but there appears to be significant coverage in the article right now about his other work. Willing to change my mind in this rare occasion. Bearian (talk) 11:17, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Bivins (journalist)

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WP:BLP1E. As an alt-weekly journalist there are passing references to him being a local journalist and him being quoted. Except, since the last AfD (no consensus), he has committed a hate crime (he was convicted but the article does not mention this). This is far more notable than his career as a journalist but still only 1 event since he has no significant coverage as a journalist, and coverage of the event is entirely local. PARAKANYAA (talk) 04:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The first nomination was at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mike Bivins (the article has since been renamed to disambiguate from Michael Bivins, even though Mike BivinsMike Bivins still redirects to this article and was not converted to a dab page). No opinion. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 15:50, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Robert Gordon (psychologist, born 1944)

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Non-notable psychologist. I don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:NPROF. Gheus (talk) 02:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can't see notability under Prof or GNG here. Xxanthippe (talk) 02:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Delete the article makes no cognizable claim to notability and I can't find sources that celebrate him as a significant expert in the field.
Happy to reconsider if sources are found. Note that the highly-cited article Historicism in legal scholarship is not the same person (that Gordon taught at University of Wisconsin). Oblivy (talk) 03:04, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for not passing WP:PROF. Also, does not appear to be a licensed attorney. Bearian (talk) 11:38, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

VovaZiLʹvova

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I'm opening this AFD discussion to mark my concerns of the subject not meeting WP:GNG/WP:SIGCOV for a WP:BLP article. While there are some Google results (more for Volodymyr Parfeniuk (10+ pages) than VovaZiLʹvova (4 pages), nearly all results are either links to play his music on various platforms (iTunes, Youtube, etc), or are Wikipedia mirrors/Wikipedia traceable, and there are NO relevant news articles for "Volodymyr Parfeniuk" or for "VovaZiLʹvova". I don't speak Ukrainian, so it is possible that there's enough to satisfy from Ukrainian sources, but none have yet to appear here in the 17 years of this page, leaving me with doubts. Page looks relatively similar now as it did in 2008.

For the two existing external links, his official website has been webarchived, but fails to load due to flash related issues. The second, also appears to be having issues has no relevant content for him (site looks broken due to age tbh). Is this a fixable article, or is this unsalvageable due to lack of required sources and lack of sourcible media presence? Zinnober9 (talk) 02:02, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Andrew Critchlow

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Most hits for his name are just passing mentions and I don't see how he passes WP:GNG. Although he seems prominent within his particular journalistic niche, I am not certain his current role makes him inherently notable as a media figure either. Leonstojka (talk) 23:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I see citations of work by him, but not about him. Bearian (talk) 02:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pascal Perrault

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One European Poker Tour win doesn't qualify for even the informal WP:POKER#Biography article notability criteria. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:46, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Declan Kelly (diplomat)

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Fails WP:GNG, diplomats are not automatically notable. A search found nothing except coverage of the unrelated, notable businessman. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – He meets WP:NPOL, he has some awards, he also meets WP:GNG. – Ike Lek (talk) 06:54, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Ambassadors do not automatically meet WP:NPOL, winning some non-notable awards is not a claim to notability, and there are no sources in the article that contribute towards GNG. I found nothing usable for establishing notability in my search. MCE89 (talk) 11:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - notability not established by sources.--Staberinde (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Notable sources do not exist for this individual. Kvinnen (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Then what would you call these? [1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11] – Ike Lek (talk) 02:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Trivial mentions? PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Are you kidding? Some of them are about him as the primary subject. All of them contain more than trivial mentions. Did you read any of them? Ike Lek (talk) 02:45, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I read the ones that were accessible to me (not pressreader) and none of them are about him. Some quote him but none are about him, substantially. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All of the pressreader ones are accessible for free if you go from "page view" to "text view". I linked them as pages because I couldn't figure out how to link specific articles in text view. How is the one about him being caught drunk driving not about him? They also don't need to all be solely about him if they still contain significant coverage of him. Ike Lek (talk) 03:10, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being caught drunk driving is WP:ROUTINE and does not contribute to notability. And they do not contain sigcov about him. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:12, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being caught drunk driving is certainly not routine when you are serving as a foreign diplomat and are still being prosecuted despite potential diplomatic immunity. If that doesn't contribute to SIGCOV, then your standards for what does are so high that only biographies could be used. Ike Lek (talk) 03:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, any sort of newspaper profile on him at all could be useful, but none exist. Crimes that someone has not been convicted of probably should not be covered in any article like this per WP:BLPCRIME. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I mean, I would argue it could still be included as he is a public figure. Being a public figure is kinda a core part of being an ambassador and representing a country at the highest level diplomatically. Regardless, that is only one source. A newspaper profile of him probably does exist somewhere, but I didn't find it. This is still more coverage than most people who pass AfD. The first source talks about multiple positions he held and projects he has involved in. It may not be solely about him, but that is significant coverage. In #6, a Celtic-studies professor writes about his impact on Ireland-Canada relations. #7 is a 20 question interview of him about him. Also, it makes a lot of since for coverage to be about the things he says, considering that is what makes a diplomat most notable. Ike Lek (talk) 03:47, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep tentatively when someone adds the sources found. Bearian (talk) 02:53, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Benny Nemer

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Article is borderline notable and may not quite pass WP:BIO. However, the individual in question has requested deletion via a now-declined speedy deletion which I will quote;

"I am Benny Nemer, the subject of this page.

This page was originally created over a decade ago by someone I do not know, who created pages about Canadian LGBTQ artists. While I was originally quite flattered by this gesture, no one ever updated this page, and its information became quickly out of date. Believing I could not update it myself, I asked friends to update it with information from my website.

But as time goes by, the page is consistently out of date. No one cares for it. And because of this, it disseminates outdated information about me, which reappears elsewhere on the internet, including when a Google search is made about me.

I really wish some art historian or art student would take up the work of keeping this page current, but no one does. I have a minor career. I don't think a wikipedia page is really necessary for me.

I am therefore humbly requesting that this page be deleted and that people find out about me through other, more current sources, like my artist website, www.nemer.be

Thank you for your consideration.

Yours,

Benny"

Thus, I am requesting deletion per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE CoconutOctopus talk 17:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Single source used into article, doesn't meet notability guidelines. Appears to be likely very outdated and incorrect, as the note above says. A sentence currently in the article about "Since 2000" was added when the article was created in 2006, this is likely incorrect as the artist has likely moved past what they were doing 20 years ago. Another sentence in the article about "recent work" was added in 2013, which is now also likely incorrect. A quick search for additional sources only found non-independent sources like personal websites, social media, and school websites. Asparagusstar (talk) 18:08, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. It doesn't appear that we have enough secondary sources to write an adequate BLP anyway, so per the subject's wishes we shouldn't have one at all. MCE89 (talk) 11:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:BLPREQUESTDELETE. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 11:21, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - unless an adult has actively sought notoriety, we should respect their wishes to privacy. Bearian (talk) 03:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yaron Benyamini

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Unsourced AI slop; on a WP:BEFORE search, nothing appeared in my eyes. SOMETHING LIKE THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE ON WIKIPEDIA. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Rafael,

I'm working on adding cites and references.

Please hold with the deletion. Omerbn (talk) 14:20, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn I could not find anything though. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:21, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat

Yes..

All the references I have are Grandmaster Benyamini's diplomas, pictures, certificates, medals, offline documents, etc..

I working on uploading those. Omerbn (talk) 14:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat@Spiderone

All the references I have are real-life documents (diplomas, certificates, medals, ...). I have ~70 such images.

I've added some in the page, but I'm afraid that showing them all in the page will be horrific.

I am planning on uploading them all to the Common-Wikimedia - what's the correct way in your opinion to present this?

Thanks! Omerbn (talk) 14:58, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn what? No! You need sources, not images to establish notability. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 15:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rafaelthegreat

We have no other evidences.

But I think the diplomas, certificates and medals speak for themselves.

Since when did we (human beings) stop believing offline documents? Why are they less credible then other websites? Omerbn (talk) 20:23, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete doesn't meet notability. Nswix (talk) 16:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per notability and lack of all sources GGOTCC 18:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@GGOTCC

I've uploaded few diplomas and plan to upload more (incl. certificate and medals) in the next few days.

I don't understand why they are less credible than websites. Omerbn (talk) 20:24, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn This is a good question. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, where the information shown should have been previously reported by reliable sources. Original research is banned because no one else would be able to verify the information. You can see more here. In this case, photos of diplomas that you have do not prove the article's contents. In addition, these are primary documents. Primary documents should only be used with caution, and as long as the information can be verified by others. You can see more here. No one else but you understands the material, and everything else in the article (ie. the quotes, background, styles) are still uncited.

Websites are not inherently more trustworthy than documents. However, the information needs to come from a reliable, published secondary source. A personal blog would also not be trustworthy, but a BBC article is as they BBC independently published information on the topic.

In addition, it appears you have a personal connection with the topic as you have his diplomas. If he is a close relative, then you should state that in accordance with Wikipedia:Conflict of interest, as you have some incentive to present him in a certain light. GGOTCC 21:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We do have a connection - he is my Kungfu teacher. I was surprised he doesn't have a Wikipedia page so I decided to write it. I have collected all documents he has in order to write an accurate article.

I was looking on another 9 duan taiji grandmaster Wikipedia page -https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Zhenglei. The only sourced I saw were cites from his books, and references to/from his website.

Is this what needed? Am I missing something?

Please let me know so I can fix this article ASAP.

Thanks a lot Omerbn (talk) 07:40, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also,

Most of these events has happened before the invention of the internet...

If you look at the article of Yaron - there are links to his teachers. What are their credible resources? Omerbn (talk) 08:48, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn if they are reliable, secondary, and independent with a reputation for fact checking, then yes. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 14:12, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Omerbn - the reliable sources do not need to be digital or online, but they do need to be verifiable. Please see WP:NPERSON for more information about what is necessary -- things like diplomas and most of the other sources presented do not meet the notability requirements for inclusion. TiggerJay (talk) 20:28, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@A. B. @GGOTCC @Rafaelthegreat @Tiggerjay

I want to improve the article to the standards you ask and would LOVE to get your help/guidance on how to do this!

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As I said, I have looked on a wiki-page of a person who is chinese-martial-arts-wise at the same level as Yaron: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Zhenglei

The references I saw are:

Chen Style Taijiquan: The Source of Taiji Boxing, North Atlantic Books, 2001 - which is a book that exists. no one can tell if it's credible or not.
The Chinese Contemporary Education celebrities Dictionary hardcover edition printed 1500 - another book that was written by a chen family member. is this considered credible?
"Chen Huixian Taijiquan Academy - 18-Form Step-by-step". - a link to a page that teaches the style Chen-Zhenglei practiced.
"Books/Videos | Grand Master Chen Zhenglei 太极宗师陈正雷". - his website (or a website about him)
"Chen Zhenglei". AbeBooks. Retrieved 2016-03-30. - A book that he wrote.

My questions are:

Are references from the subject's book/website considered credible? Yaron has a book and 2-3 websites - I can add references and cites from there. Should I ?
I've contacted to of the people mentioned in the article that are still alive, requesting them to support what's written. For example - (a) Patrick Van campenhout, who is now the president of EUEWF can approve that Yaron what the General-secretary of EWF in the 90s and also the connection with Kong Mien Ho. (b) Kong Mien Ho - to support Yaron's Dan certificate and exams (he was there with him), the studies at Ma Hong (he was sometimes with him) and more. My question - what's the best way to add these approval/supports/affidavits?
I've added wiki-links to styles Yaron has learnt. Isn't this good? If not, how exactly can I fix this?
Most of the things has happened to Yaron way before internet existed/available broadly. All of teachers has died since then (Except for old-aged Wu Bin); the CWA didn't broadcast any newsletter talking about results of exams back then; The organizations conducting the competitions no longer exist (although his certificate is signed by Bill Clinton); and more difficulties. How can I, given all the difficulties, create a better article? just tell me and I'll do it.

Thanks A LOT in advance! Omerbn (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See my long message below, it has some info that may be useful for your understanding. In a nutshell, we need verifiable, published sources such as newspaper/magazine articles or book chapters that were written about him by people who are not connected in any way to him. Netherzone (talk) 16:27, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks.

"by people who are not connected in any way to him" - If theoretically they were his teachers, confirming he was their students learning the styles it is written he did? What about judges in competitions he participated in, who later became friends (as he became the general secretary of EWF - does this count as not connected to him? Omerbn (talk) 18:06, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, those are all connected sources, therefore they do not contribute to his notability. Netherzone (talk) 20:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Oberbn First, just because another article exists means either of them should -- sometimes other non-notable articles sneak in and that doesn't make it appropriate for this article to exist either. However, since you bring it up that will likely be reviewed and possibly subject to a similar discussion. Sometimes it is not simply about making an article "good enough" but rather the subject needs to be notable enough - as others have stated. If they do not meet the notability requirements, nothing can be done to "fix it" or "prevent it from being deleted". Sometimes there are very small articles, called stubs which are very small articles, but they meet notable requirements. Its not the length or number of sources that meets requirements. Please read what others have shared, and read the blue linked references before asking more questions -- as reading those will answer 99% of your questions. TiggerJay (talk) 17:07, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiggerjay OK, I will. I'm confident I can provide sources and citations. I will be available to do so in few days - towards the weekend.

Thanks! Omerbn (talk) 18:08, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - does not appear to meet notability requirements, only a single non-notable book, social-media accounts show a miniscule following, no news articles, etc. Might be locally famous, but nothing more than that. The article itself is a promotional mess from a COI editor, but even if the page was to be majority reworked into something appropraite for a BLP, there does not appear to be any reliable sources to establish notability. TiggerJay (talk) 20:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Delete - I'm not sure this was created with AI, it doesn't have the usual "clues" one find with LLMs and after running it thru AI-detection software, it came up as being over 95% human-written. I don't think the nomination contains a valid rationale for deletion, however I do think it should be d*leted based on lack of notability; the subject does not meet WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. The article is a COI creation by a new editor, Omerbn, who I encourage to read and understand WP's guidelines for notability of persons, such as: WP:BIO - it's a lot to read but will be useful if you decide to create another article in the future on another topic; just make certain that they will meet the notability criteria before spending the time crafting an article. I can tell you spent a lot of time on this. Also articles must contain citations (references, footnotes) to back up the claims (facts) in the article, the reason is that WP is an encyclopedia.. Here's some info for you, WP:YOURFIRSTARTICLE that may be helpful. What you have written would probably work better as a personal website on the subject. There is a lot to learn about how things work on WP, so please don't be totally discouraged if this article is deleted. Netherzone (talk) 22:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Netherzone

I would like to improve the article and prevent its deletion. Can you please guide me on exactly what to do and i'll do it? Omerbn (talk) 16:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Omerbn, you will need substantial time to make the necessary changes, and to cite all of the claims (facts) in the article. You will need to prove that he meets WP notability criteria of either WP:GNG or WP:SPORTSPERSON. I'm pretty sure that the article will be deleted, however if and when that happens, you could contact the closing administrator to request that they move what you have written to your user-space as a draft. That would give you the time to learn more about how WP works in relation to its policies and guidelines. It takes a while to learn, it took me years! What is most important is that you do not craft the article based on what the subject tells you about himself, nor about what you personally know about him. The reason is that we are an encyclopedia, and everything that is used to establish his notability must be sourced to a verifiable, published, fully independent reliable source. That means that WP wants to know what others, independent of the person, have written about the person. If those kinds of sources do not exist (like newspaper and magazine articles about him, chapters in books about him) then he is probably not notable per Wikipedia's high standards for inclusion. Statements written by his colleagues, students, friends, teachers, associates, or business partners do not count, as they would be conflict of interest sources. WP needs independent sources. If you can't find these types of sources, I suggest that you create a website for him, or post about him on social media. Hope that helps. Netherzone (talk) 16:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Omerbn, having explained this, I don't want to get your hopes up too much for this article's subject. I took some time to really dig deeply into finding sources, and all that can be found are his own website, social media postings, and a few listings from places where he has taught workshops. No reliable sources exist about him. As far as books, I found nothing, other than his own self-published book, again, nothing at all about him. I translated the article in Hebrew, and it also contains no reliable sources. Sorry, but this is clearly an article that should be deleted, and I can't imagine it becoming notable in the future. You are, however welcome to continue editing on WP, just make sure if you try to create another article, that it is on a notable subject. Netherzone (talk) 17:15, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The article still doesn't meet the requirements of our Notability (people) guideline using our Reliable sources guideline.

@Omerbn, I'm sorry if we started off pretty abruptly (to say the least) at the start of this discussion above. The bad news is that we have some very particular rules about what articles we accept and what references we require; your article doesn't appear to meet them. The good news is that it looks like you're really good at writing content. Even if this article doesn't qualify for inclusion in Wikipedia, I think you have a real future writing content here. If you live in Israel, also know that there's a Hebrew Wikipedia, too: עמוד_ראשי.

It's obvious you put a lot of work into first learning wiki markup and article layout then writing up an extensive article; I'm impressed.

Thanks for joining us. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@A. B. Thanks :) Omerbn (talk) 15:41, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I am concerned about our continuing viability as a charity. Omerbn has chosen the worst possible time to create a WP:BLP based on WP:OR. Come back in 17 months with this article. In the meantime, we need help. Bearian (talk) 03:11, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What will happen in 17mo? Omerbn (talk) 16:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Omerbn, I think Bearian is referring to the next American Congress which will take office in January 2027. The Republican Congress has begun investigating Wikipedia:
Cervantes, Fernando. "Republicans in Congress open probe into Wikipedia for alleged bias". USA TODAY. Retrieved 1 September 2025.
Given the current climate, this has American First Amendment advocates spooked about a crackdown on free speech. Unreliable BLPs are a known political vulnerability for Wikipedia as well as any coverage of Israeli topics. If the Democrats win back control that'll relieve pressure; if the Republicans win, they'll probably double-down on their agenda. Bearian, if I'm wrong, please correct me.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 22:23, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correct. You are brilliant. Bearian (talk) 22:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Not brilliant. Just very aware of and worried about the obvious. Not even Canada is a safe place these days. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 23:01, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Draftify Instead of just destroying an article that the author obviously worked hard on, why not take it out of article space and put it into draft space, and let the author, and anyone else who is interested, find the necessary sources?

Habeeb Okunola

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Fails WP:GNG. The "City University of Paris" does not exist and souce #4 is highly suspect, looks fake. Also, around 5,800 individuals have received the Order of the Federal Republic of Nigeria, therefore, these awards do not automatically confirm notability in my opinion. m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 13:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment – The diploma in the picture used in source 4 says "University of Paris". "City" could just be a language issue. – Ike Lek (talk) 07:08, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The "University of Paris" does not exist, it's either Paris Cité University or maybe Sorbonne University. Speaking of language issue, why is the diploma in English? Why do the quotes in the article (Source #4) not attribute them to anyone from this "university" and sound like LLM generated fluff? Like this: " “This degree ceremony marks another milestone in Dr. Okunola’s illustrious career, further cementing his legacy as a global visionary leader and a champion of social responsibility. “The City University of Paris congratulates Dr. Habeeb Okunola on this well-deserved recognition and looks forward to his future contributions to the global business community.” " m a MANÍ^{1990(talk | contribs)} 11:18, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'd be more likely to believe it was a paid promotional piece than just straight-up fake, but I can do a little digging. Ike Lek (talk) 18:08, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
His Linkedin is a mess though. I get why he's sending up some red flags in terms of credibility. Ike Lek (talk) 18:19, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Mamani1990 This appears to be it. [12] Ike Lek (talk) 18:25, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a made up in one day awards for an up and coming but a run of the mill business person. We are not LinkedIn. Bearian (talk) 03:14, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John McKeever (Comedian)

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Non-notable subject. IMDb is NOT ENOUGH. I could only find the hollywood reporter as good at https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-features/steve-gerben-tires-season-2-dads-real-tire-shop-mckeever-1236255895/ but that is it. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 13:19, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: WP:CREATIVE and WP:DIRECTOR PASS as director and co-creator of Tires, at least, a series reviewed in the LAT, The Washington Post, the WSJ, and so on. - E. Ux 14:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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William Magee (physician)

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I searched in WP:BEFORE and I did not find independent reliable sources. Most of the news is not independent, or does not have detailed coverage of the subject. Operation Smile is where the coverage is. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 08:39, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Kushal N. Desai

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Procedural renomination. First nomination achieved a no consensus result exclusively because of the keep votes by a group of sockpuppets dedicated to AFD fraud. Second nomination was also influenced by another group of sockpuppets; see the investigation page. The reason for this nomination is the same as the previous two; A promotional biography of a businessman fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. None of the sources constitute WP:SIGCOV. Majorly citations are WP:NEWSORGINDIA, WP:ROUTINE, and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS. Just a detailed resume WP:NOTRESUME. Also, simply being the grandson of an industrialist doesn't justify having a Wikipedia page. Notability cannot be inherited. TC-BT-1C-SI (talk) 06:00, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Poonam Singar

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Not enough WP:SIGCOV and doesn't meet WP:ENT. The two sources in the article seem like paid advertorials from WP:TIMESOFINDIA meant to promote a film. TurboSuperA+_[talk] 05:42, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: a reasonable and verifiable WP:NACTRESS pass through various significant roles in notable productions. See her filmo and reviews of some of the said productions. - E. Ux 09:36, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails to meet WP:NACTRESS with no significant coverage on the subject in the sources. Per TOI source, the actress got a chance to play a lead role in 2008 for film Nesthama but this film is not notable. I can not find reliable critical reviews for films where her work was appreciated or got significant coverage and recognition. If anyone can find any such reviews, please let me know to recheck but as of now, fails to meet notability for an actress. RangersRus (talk) 19:00, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny Arya

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Non notable youtuber and reality show contestant. Fails GNG. Thilsebatti (talk) 02:34, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – The subject, Sunny Arya (popularly known as “Tehelka Bhai”), clearly meets WP:GNG as there is significant coverage in reliable, independent media.

For example, NDTV reported extensively on his eviction from Bigg Boss 17 (NDTV, 29 Nov 2023: https://www.ndtv.com/entertainment/bigg-boss-17-sunny-aryaa-aka-tehelka-evicted-for-breaking-house-rule-4628952). The Times of India also carried a detailed interview and analysis of his role and controversy on the show (TOI, 2 Dec 2023: https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/exclusive-bigg-boss-17s-sunny-arya-aka-tehelka-bhai-samarth-and-abhishek-kumar-were-also-aggressive-but-only-i-got-evicted-for-being-violent/photostory/105705228.cms). Furthermore, India Today provided in-depth coverage of his conflicts on Day 2 of the season (India Today, 18 Oct 2023: https://www.indiatoday.in/television/reality-tv/story/bigg-boss-17-day-2-abhishek-kumar-gets-physically-violent-with-sunny-arya-2450401-2023-10-18).

These sources are independent, reliable, and provide more than trivial coverage, which satisfies WP:GNG. Hence, the article should be retained. NeerajRajkumar (talk) 02:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC) — Note to closing admin: NeerajRajkumar (talk • contribs) is the creator of the page that is the subject of this AfD. [reply]

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Delete. Appears to be notable only for his controversial exit on reality TV show. Fails WP:BLP1E.4meter4 (talk) 04:14, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Respectfully disputing the WP:BLP1E rationale. While one comment suggests Sunny Arya is notable only for his eviction from Bigg Boss 17, reliable coverage shows otherwise. Arya has received significant, independent attention across multiple contexts beyond the show.

He is a popular digital creator with millions of followers, and mainstream media has profiled his career, lifestyle, and public activities. For example, reports have covered his YouTube career, personal life, and assets.^[1] He was also widely reported upon following a fire accident in July 2024, demonstrating continued coverage unrelated to the reality show.^[2]^[3] In addition, mainstream entertainment outlets like Indian Express and Times of India have covered his activities in the public sphere, including celebrity collaborations and fan meets.^[4]^[5]

Such broad and sustained coverage demonstrates that Arya is not a WP:BLP1E case. His media presence is established through multiple independent sources over time, satisfying WP:GNG. Therefore, the article should be retained. NeerajRajkumar (talk) 14:13, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't bludgeon this discussion with AI-generated responses as to why the article you created should be kept. Also you voted twice so I've struck out the second one. Aydo h8^{[what have I done now?]} 14:25, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Sunny Arya’s coverage is not limited to his Bigg Boss 17 eviction. Multiple independent sources (Times of India, Pinkvilla, Indian Express, CarBike360) have covered his digital career, accident, and public events. This indicates broader notability beyond a single incident, satisfying WP:GNG. NeerajRajkumar (talk) 14:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sunny Arya’s coverage extends beyond his ''Bigg Boss 17'' eviction. Multiple independent and reliable sources such as Times of India, Pinkvilla, Indian Express, and CarBike360 have reported on his digital career, accident, and public appearances. This demonstrates that his notability is not limited to a single event and meets [[WP:GNG]] criteria. NeerajRajkumar (talk) 14:57, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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References

Sam Shamoun

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Non-notable subject. All I could find were blogs and press releases. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 17:14, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Non-notable person with no significant coverate. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 17:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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less notable people with article that are apologetics. no point in deleting it Mediocremathematician (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mediocremathematician how?? You sourced a blog called God Reports and a social media platform called Reddit. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 00:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
get better sources then dont just outright delete it. Mediocremathematician (talk) 01:46, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mediocremathematician but there are no good sources online. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 12:27, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mediocremathematician they need to follow WP:BLP or else is leaves Wikipedia. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 12:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is a YouTuber with a relatively sizeable following AML KING (talk) 01:55, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@AML KING so? Just because the YouTuber has many followers, does not mean they should have an article. What, you think KreekCraft would work?? ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 12:44, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak Delete Well, I guess I'm getting pulled out of retirement just to look at this AfD (I used to watch his content every once and awhile). 90% of the sources cited are low-quality blogs, reddit, and his personal website. However, I haven't fully !voted delete because GodReports does provide some substantive information, although I'm not finding other sources that do the same thing (heck, we could even expand the article using info from GodReports!). (If anybody wants to convince me that GodReports is also not marginally RS, I would like to hear your reasoning). ❤History Theorist❤ 16:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@HistoryTheorist maybe but GodReports as one source only might not be enough. ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 18:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, that's why I wouldn't keep it. If @Mediocremathematician would like a copy of it in user space or draft space, I wouldn't be proposed to saving it in there so long as they don't move it back to article space. ❤History Theorist❤ 22:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yea i watched his content to thus i made this low effort article and expected the pros to polish it i am a beginner in wikipedia so take the articles quality from me not the internet Mediocremathematician (talk) 20:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Affan Kurniawan

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Apparent memorial page. WP:BLP1E applies. Mccapra (talk) 08:57, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - this doesn't need to be here as this is an ongoing event, maybe after when this event is history. PageMaintaince (talk) 10:20, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, although Affan Kurniawan is known for a single tragic event, his case has drawn significant attention from both national and international media, including Tempo, Katadata, and Channel News Asia. The coverage goes beyond reporting his death—it also follows developments such as the National Police Chief issuing a direct apology, the official investigation into the Brimob officers involved, and reactions from Gojek and Grab. These responses show that Affan’s story has resonated widely, making him more than just the subject of an isolated incident and highlighting his significance as a symbol of the event itself. Nusantarakita (talk) 09:25, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails GNG and has coverage due to recent situation only, not the subject himself.
Delete per nom, obvious BLP1E. Ckfasdf (talk) 11:42, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests, which is covering the event that expanded in wake of his death, as otherwise BLP1E applies. Masem (t) 12:27, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom, WP:BLP1E applicable. Kaliper¹｜talk 12:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E, no redirect. Celjski Grad (talk) 13:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to ~~Murder of Affan Kurniawan, because the latter page already exists before this page subject to proposed deletion was created.~~ August 2025 Indonesian protests, per Masem. We need to preserve its page history. DDG 9912 14:16, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per WP:BLP1E. ^EF⁵ 14:40, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E. Vanaa1 (talk) 00:06, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests per Masem and DDG9912. This is a significant event in the protest but not the root cause of the demonstrations (though this tragic event did exacerbate the protests). Vida0007 (talk) 07:10, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect per WP:BLP1E. Sidenote - the only keep vote reads like AI-generated text to me. Juxlos (talk) 07:51, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests per Masem, DDG9912 and Vida0007. Http iosue (talk) 10:30, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests per Masem and Vida0007 (oppose outright deletion). The person is a WP:BLP1E but his unfortunate death is nonetheless cited by several sources as a factor in the escalation of the protests over the past few days [13][14][15][16][17] and as such qualifies as a WP:ATD-R. S5A-0043🚎^(Talk) 15:05, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect for now, though the discussion should be allowed to run the full seven days to see whether further information emerges or events take on greater significance with a view to upgrading to Keep (see: Mohamed Bouazizi) Weikiat82 (talk) 15:52, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests per nom. WP:BLP1E and WP:GNG. Daddynnoob (talk) 17:45, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:BLP1E and WP:GNG

Simple non combat (talk) 18:38, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to the English version of Murder of Affan Kurniawan [id] in a separate page. The Indonesian article for his murder already exists. RealNath7383 (talk) 18:56, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Nationwide protests have been caused by this single child. JaxsonR (talk) 19:16, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Like above voter, this single person created this whole protest. Fringilla (talk) 20:34, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests. Textbook case of WP:BLP1E and WP:NOTMEMORIAL. He was murdered while the protest is going not the one that caused it. Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 23:48, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep – This is not an ordinary traffic accident. On 28 August 2025, while labor protests took place in front of the Indonesian Parliament, Affan Kurniawan—an online driver uninvolved in the protests—was struck and killed by a Brimob tactical vehicle, a case repeatedly cited as an example of police brutality and human rights violations. Multiple NGOs, independent human rights observers, and major media have documented the case, making it clearly notable beyond a local incident. PlainWatcher (talk) 01:52, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep His death has a nationwide impact in Indonesia, resulting in protest across the country GodzillamanRor (talk) 02:09, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect as part of the larger august protest, make it a specific sub-section within the article. Mhatopzz (talk) 05:30, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep the article expands further on the incident resulting in his death than the August 2025 Indonesian protests article does. This man's passing impacted all of Indonesia I see no reason why it isn't notable. If the issue is that the rest of Affan's life was not eventful enough to warrant a biography article then the article should be moved to "Killing/Death/Murder of Affan Kurniawan" and rewritten to focus solely on his death. If his death does not go on to impact Indonesian history in any way then delete it later. For now I say give it a chance. If my understanding is correct more information could still come out regarding the situation. FinkyOfNalanja (talk) 06:43, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and move per others. It should be moved to something like Death of Affan Kurniawan. The article states "Affan Kurniawan (18 July 2004 – 28 August 2025) was an Indonesian online motorcycle taxi driver. He became widely known after he died when a Brimob tactical vehicle ran over him during a labor demonstration", implying he is mostly known for dying. - Sebbog13 (talk) 17:56, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep for now, readress a few months later. depending on how the protests go he might be forgotten by history, or go down the same way Bouazizi did (whose standalone article still stands on wikipedia 15 years later) 06:04, 31 August 2025 (UTC)2A02:C6C1:A:28E:0:0:0:22 (talk)

Move: Although he is known for one event (which is unfortunately his death), it is more reasonable to move to Killing of Affan Kurniawan or draftify for the time being in this case. I wouldn't immediately jump to deletion, as this tragedy only occurred a few days ago. 🌙Eclipse (she/they/all neos • talk • edits) 23:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Affan Kurniawan, per Eclipse's and Sebbog13's suggestions. Ornithoptera (talk) 03:57, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Murder of Affan Kurniawan 𝄃𝄃𝄂Badak𝄂𝄀𝄁𝄃 🕭 06:09, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Murder of Affan Kurniawan instead. Great achievement (talk) 07:39, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, but rename as Killing of Affan Kurniawan. In other words, all information regarding the killing of Affan Kurniawan should be deserved for separate article by moving the content from August 2025 Indonesian protests#Killing of Affan Kurniawan here, while keeping brief information about Affan's death at the August 2025 protest article. I also believe the information about his death need to be more emphasized here (similar to another article like Killing of JonBenét Ramsey). 103.111.102.118 (talk) 08:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Affan Kurniawan "Killing of Affan Kurniawan" currently redirects to August 2025 Indonesian protests. Giving that this article already exist as "Affan Kurniawan" (including his death), we should retarget the redirect here and move the article as "Killing of Affan Kurniawan". Therefore, all information about the killing incident from August 2025 Indonesian protests#Killing of Affan Kurniawan should be moved here and needs to be expanded. 2404:8000:1037:587:D8CB:6311:3F38:AF23 (talk) 09:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to August 2025 Indonesian protests per Masem, DDG9912 and Vida0007 PinkDash (talk) 14:09, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Killing of Affan Kurniawan as per 103.111.102.118.
Move to Killing of Affan Kurniawan Thriley (talk) 22:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Many murder victims have their own pages. There have been many articles from reputable sources written about Kurniawan. Bloomagiliw (talk) 11:40, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jexs

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This bundle of AfDs are all llm generated slop that were not checked at all, pronouns switching for the subject for no reason, very promotional tone and sentences that don't say anything. Numerous sources are 404ing as well which is odd from articles that are so recent. I am not arguing that any of the subjects lack notability, I am arguing that the level of content is so poor that it should be blown up and started from scratch. Moritoriko (talk) 07:06, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I am also nominating the following related pages because they are all the same issues:

Valiama Narain

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the information does not establish any general notability about this person. The only result on Google Books is an obscure book written in 1989, so there is a lack of significant coverage. Arbor to SJ (talk) 03:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete this article doesn't even explain why she's notable. This reads like somebody's history assignment on their ancestor. I found one more source [18] but overall, fails WP:GNG. jolielover♥talk 07:07, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Appears to be original research, but if you can find and add better sources, then ping me. Bearian (talk) 10:32, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Anna Papalia

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Doesn't meet WP:NBIO or WP:NAUTHOR. Most of these sources are non-independent as they are either almost completely written by her ([19], [20]), merely repeat her interview tips while adding vapid TikTok comments ([21], [22]), or repeat what she wants to say about her own book ([23], [24]). These sources do not contain serious independent analysis of her work, nor do they contain non-trivial biographical information. UPE concerns have been raised at another article created by the same editor (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tulip Interfaces).

I found a capsule review here but that isn't enough for WP:NAUTHOR. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 06:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Even if her one book was notable that isn't enough to fulfill NAUTHOR (we would shift it to the book... but that isn't notable either.) PARAKANYAA (talk) 17:35, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:NAUTHOR and WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 02:13, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Not the best sourcing, but it's something. Bearian (talk) 10:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wroetoshaw

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My WP:BEFORE doesn't turn up anything additional and the sources in this article are largely self-published and do not show any WP:SIGCOV. Doesn't seem to be notable outside the association with the Sidemen group, so makes sense to restore the redirect to that article. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 23:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify or redirect per nom. Go D. Usopp (talk) 15:26, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – this subject has been at Draft:W2S for a while.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 00:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – as the creator of the article I believe this page is notable as all the information has come directly from the source of the page himself, I have not used any third party sources or "unreliable" ones only ones from himself or ones that can be used in other Sidemen member articles. On the topic of notability, W2S is the second biggest in the group in terms of size and popularity, holding world records and various milestones shown on the page. If he is not notable then I don't think a lot of other pages should exist. I have seen other articles regarding individuals with significantly less and more unreliable sources and yet those pages thrive and still continue to exist. I believe this article has a place on the site. I was not aware of the draft:W2S page and believe the two should be merged to include more sources and more info to allow the page to breathe and flow nicely without leaving any info out. MoonknightPP34 (talk) 10:24, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment – added more references to make the page more "notable", this page now almost has as many references as Zerkaa, all of which are direct from the source or used in other articles or from reliable articles. So it would now make no sense to remove this page in my own opinion due to the number of references, where they come from and where they have also been used. MoonknightPP34 (talk) 10:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hey! I've tried to patch the article up a bit, as it featured some grammatical errors and was overly reliant on primary sources (in this case YouTube videos by the subject). That said, my effort was far from perfect, as the article still isn't based on purely reliable sources. If you could find more reliable sources on Lewis' birthdate, where he was raised, and his relationship with Katie Leach, that'd be good. Otherwise, such facts don't belong on Wikipedia. As for the Zerkaa comparison you made, I get your point, but the quantity of references matters less than their quality and reliability. Lastly, I'd consider removing the section about golf channels, as its only source is its own YouTube page. Find a reliable or secondary source for that, or remove it. Rockfighterz M (talk) 23:47, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the reply and helping clean up the article. I did find an article from the Sun which states his birthday, full name and other facts regarding him. I think the article is better now thanks to the fixes, not sure if you or other editors feel the same or not. But thanks again MoonknightPP34 (talk) 17:30, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, per WP:THESUN, that source should not be used. Additionally, using the version [25], cites 21, 22, 34, 50, and 51 are sources which should not be used.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 17:55, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll go ahead and remove all references to The Sun, as other references have made them redundant anyway. Rockfighterz M (talk) 14:26, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Try not to cite the subject's YouTube videos to substitute for reliable sources. Go D. Usopp (talk) 15:25, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ryan Borgwardt

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A brief disappearance, albeit an elaborately staged one, but it is WP:BLP1E essentially. The verdict from the court case is pretty telling as to its notability, just a day of jail for each day he disappeared. – robertsky (talk) 08:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Classic WP:BLP1E. This is an otherwise completely unremarkable individual whom the world knew nothing about prior to this incident. Faking one's death happens hundreds of times per year.¹ I fail to see any reason to keep an article about this person when everything indicates the only reason we know about him is this one event. --Hammersoft (talk) 14:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Narpat Singh Rajpurohit

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Falls under WP:BIO1E. Notable for a single event of making the Guinness World Record for completing over 30,000 kilometers by cycle in a single country. – DreamRimmer ■ 07:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep – Most of sources are WP:NEWSORGINDIA, but Guinness Book record holders tend to have some kind of notability. Svartner (talk) 16:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sarvesh Singh

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Does not meet WP:GNG; sourcing insufficient and non-independent. EmilyR34 (talk) 06:42, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi EmilyR34, Thank you for reviewing this article and sharing your concerns. I understand the importance of ensuring that biographies meet WP:GNG and are supported by independent, reliable sources. With that in mind, I’d like to point out some of the coverage that, in my view, establishes notability for the subject:

Keep – Respectfully disagree with the concern about insufficient sourcing. Multiple independent, reliable sources provide significant coverage:
- The Tribune (24 April 2025) ran a feature profile on Marichi Ventures and Singh’s leadership philosophy, which goes beyond a passing mention.
- The Economic Times (27 June 2024) covered his recognition at the ET Excellence Awards, establishing notability at a national level.
- Express Pharma (5 June 2019) listed him as a featured speaker at a DIA India conference, showing industry recognition.

Together, these demonstrate WP:GNG is satisfied. Additional coverage from FTCCI and Kalkine Media further supports verifiability. AbhiTron143977 (talk) 08:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The Tribune coverage is very thin and tells us very little about the subject. This is not significant coverage.
Economic Times clearly says the article is "advertorial" and is not independent.
Express Pharma is a short mention of the subject that does not meet the definition of significant coverage.

— 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 09:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please disclose in this discussion whether you have a conflict of interest, in accordance with the guidelines for Articles for Deletion. In addition, your reply has elements that suggest that you may be using a Large Language Model to generate your comments. If that is the case, you are strongly discouraged from continuing. See the essay WP:LLMTALK and the policy WP:AITALK. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 09:41, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

thank you for your feedback pacific depths, do you have any suggestions for me, i don't want this page to be deleted, i do acknowledge the fact that some of the existing sources are advertorial or limited in depth, i am currently searching for strong independent coverage such as national newspaper or business magazines to strengthen the article. can a redirect to Marichi Ventures be a better alternative if such coverage cannot be demonstrated, I'm open to any suggestions. AbhiTron143977 (talk) 11:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hello pacific depths, I’ve been able to add stronger references from independent institutions, like PHUSE (the world’s largest healthcare data science non-profit) published Singh’s reflections on his work as Asia-Pacific Director, and the Indian Institute of Population Sciences reported in detail on a pre-placement talk he delivered as Novartis Head of Strategy & Operations and PHUSE board member. I understand that not every source will count as “significant coverage,” but I believe these additions show recognition by independent and credible bodies, not just company PR. I also want to be transparent:- I do have a connection here, but I’m trying to stick to verifiable, reliable sources so the article stands or falls on policy grounds, not promotion. If this is still not enough for a standalone page, then, I’m open to a redirect to Marichi Ventures, so the information is preserved in context. AbhiTron143977 (talk) 12:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Agree that this does not meet WP:GNG. The sources mentioned are of low quality. For example, the Economic Times article is actually marked as 'advertorial'; The Tribune feature reads like the information was provided by Marichi Ventures; and although I cannot read the Kalkine Media piece, its headline matches the Abluva Inc press release exactly, so it is most likely to be a reprint of that, rather than genuine reporting. Mark Gould (talk) 09:49, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for the feedback Mark Goud. I do agree that the article published in the Economic Times is advertorial in nature and not so independent, and i also with your apprehension that the article in the Tribune could sound promotional, and that the reprinting of the press release is most likely to be that of Kalkine Media. Still, some independent coverage is worth mentioning: e.g., that in June 2019, Singh was listed by "Express Pharma" as a featured speaker at the DIA India conference, and appears in the Leadership Development Program faculty of FTCCI. Although I know that these probably are not sufficient to meet the full requirements of WP:GNG, I am still searching more of them. AbhiTron143977 (talk) 11:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hello mark, i've been able to add stronger references from independent institutions like PHUSE and Indian Institute of population Sciences reported in detail. please check the article and please tell me if its enough, if not, i'm open to any suggestions AbhiTron143977 (talk) 12:50, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the hard work you are putting into this, Abhiram. However, the additional sources still don't persuade me that Singh is notable beyond being exceptionally good at his job. Nothing we have seen so far suggests that he meets any of the three criteria in WP:ANYBIO. Mark Gould (talk) 15:41, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. Fails WP:GNG. Gheus (talk) 13:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG, lacks significant independent coverage, largely promotional. --ZimZalaBim ^talk 14:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – WP:PROMO article. Svartner (talk) 00:35, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mary Clemens de Lisle

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There does not appear to be any significant coverage nor any coverage of her as an architect either. I can't review the book source but it is only one source and assuming that the article accurately represents her coverage then it falls below SIGCOV. It almost feels like an A7 given we have an article on an architect that fails to mention any architectural wok. Traumnovelle (talk) 03:47, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Given the age of the subject, the majority of sources will be offline.

In a month's time (20th September), there's an edit-a-thon being planned for NZ Women in Architecture, and one of the targeted articles for improvement is this one.

It's probably best to withdraw this AFD until after the edit-a-thon takes place, in case anything of value is uncovered then? Nil🥝 04:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is any plan to improve the page at the event (it mentions the article as an example of an existing article but says 'Our focus will be on enriching and creating pages related to Merle Greenwood, Dorothy Wills, Mary Dorothy Edwards, Mary Hay, Marjorie Penty and Nancy Northcroft.'), but if I am willing to delay/withdraw the AfD if someone does plan on taking a look at in within the near future. Traumnovelle (talk) 09:38, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am also not yet able to review the book, and I am unlikely to get to it before the end of next month. However, I have included what I could find from online secondary sources, and I am happy to continue searching and contributing. I have been able to find more about her work as an artist; unfortunately, it is probably not enough for SIGCOV yet. I note that she is now listed on the edit-a-thon page as Mary Clemens de Lisle (I think she was also listed under Mary Hay, her birth name), so I would second the Nil's suggestion of delaying until after that event, if possible. Ewhite31 (talk) 18:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I will withdraw and re-evaluate it after the event is finished. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, thank you for @Nil NZ for mentioning the upcoming edit-a-thon, I will make sure this article gets some attention leading up to and at that event. Thanks @Traumnovelle it would be great to hold off until after the event, as I hope it can be improved by then. @Ewhite31 Thank you! I will also do some research. Winnieswikiworld (talk) 21:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Octavius Ryland

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with 1 hit. LibStar (talk) 02:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Could you provide the text if the cited source? LibStar (talk) 14:32, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 16:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fred Carter (convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with namesakes. LibStar (talk) 02:18, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep sandlewood cutter, http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article111526478. Gnan garra 12:27, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Is Carter actually mentioned in the above link? LibStar (talk) 14:31, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 15:58, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Theodore Richards (convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with namesakes. LibStar (talk) 02:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:50, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
please provide text from the cited source. LibStar (talk) 14:34, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 16:10, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James Lloyd (convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with namesakes. LibStar (talk) 02:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:49, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep lots of sourcing on Trove one speaks of Lloyd confirming every claim in the article http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article37840533 "then held the dual position of Town Clerk and schoolmaster of the original State school, which is still standing, and is locally known as "Banskia Cottage.". The position of Town Clerk is sufficient to establish notability given he was also school master, and was a convict transported. I also find this nomination of convicts to Western Australia asm potentially a disengenious group of nominations where insufficient effort was made to research people have independent sourcing.John Hubbard Fred Carter James Humphrey John Warren AfD is not a cleanup process but due care before nominations should be as it makes it hard to work through every article just dispove a point while detracting from doing the expansion. Gnan garra 11:59, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article37840533 is a 1 line mention of Lloyd and not SIGCOV for meeting WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 14:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is no inherent notability from being a town clerk. LibStar (talk) 16:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm only adding to the depth of coverage out line in the article and by User:Hesperian previously about the person, running a heritage property is also an additional part of the person notability. Town clerks have more notable in Australia than Mayors. Gnan garra 03:00, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 16:11, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

William Jones (Australian convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. A common name so many namesakes come up in searches. LibStar (talk) 02:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Found some mentions during a Google Books search [26], but I'm not sure if these are enough to meet WP:BIO. Unregistered Biohazard! 02:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep two separate source 11 years apart doent indicate some notability, checking Trove is complicated as William Jones was sentenced to Death in WA in 1871, same year as the subject but I have been unable to confirm or deny the link as of yet. Gnan garra 13:19, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 16:02, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Hubbard (convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with namesakes. The 1 cited source is not indepth. LibStar (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. The cited source contains in-depth coverage. Hesperian 09:48, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found multiple court cases[27] where Hubbard is named, depth of detail is not available online. His death was reported on as was the coronial inquest[28] adding more details about him. Gnan garra 13:28, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Court case listings are insufficient for meeting WP:PERP. LibStar (talk) 14:26, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
its more than a listing, the detail is all on Trove and in the State Library of Western Australia also searchable online. Gnan garra 03:17, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

James Humphrey (convict)

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Declined prod. Fails WP:BIO. No indepth coverage. Searching in Australian database Trove came up with namesakes. LibStar (talk) 00:58, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. Deleting this does not improve the encyclopaedia. Hesperian 01:04, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
How does he meet WP:BIO, where is the WP:SIGCOV? LibStar (talk) 05:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Received significant coverage in The Brand on His Coat by Rica Erickson. This is a reliable secondary source that is independent of the subject. Hesperian 09:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Non-notable subject. @Hesperian: that reply also sounded a bit rude. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 01:18, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thankyou for the feedback. Hesperian 09:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Hesperian it's okay :) ~Rafael (He, him) • Talk • Guestbook • Projects 18:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I did find some mentions in a Google Books search [29], but I'm not sure if these are enough for this page to meet WP:BIO. Unregistered Biohazard! 02:09, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Nothing in the article suggests notability. Mark Gould (talk) 08:21, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It does now. Hesperian 09:45, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that being a member of a notable group of people necessarily makes the subject notable in himself. I think there is a case for merging the information in this article into Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia together with a number of similar articles (at least one of which has also been proposed for deletion). Mark Gould (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep fascinating person, forced return from Melbourne under the Fugatives Act, charged multiple times for different different amounts he embezzled http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article3086318 an extensively documented case, thats with out look back further into his pass which its just another string to his notability. Gnan garra 13:41, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Being "fascinating" is not a criterion for notability. LibStar (talk) 14:21, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
If you're trying to argue notability as a criminal, he needs to meet WP:PERP. It needs more sources than a court listing. LibStar (talk) 14:23, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Being a subject of multiple different sources is the criteria for WP:GNG, what I find fascinating is this subject has many parts to his story, including his convict past, and the use of of an obscure law to force his return to the Colony of Western Australia prior to formation of federation of Australian states. So yes in every sense of the word fascinating this is a notable person, and WP:PERP doesnt apply because of the diversity of the subjects past is beyond just his criminal record. Gnan garra 02:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Aristophilides of Taras

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Poorly sourced article. OBVIOUSLY AI-GENERATED. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 00:32, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The article already includes references. See this Google Books search. See this search "the only possible West Greek king properly so titled is Aristophilides of Taras." For an online version of Herodotus, visit https://www.gutenberg.org/files/2707/2707-h/2707-h.htm and search for Aristophilides. Also, a king or an elected rulker of a country is automatically notable. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Eastmain that article reads AI generated to me. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 13:28, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
What article? The link is to a copy of a book published in 1890. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 20:43, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction the article I am nominating! ~Rafael (He, him) • TALK • GUESTBOOK • PROJECTS 02:22, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
You already said in your nomination that it looks AI-generated. You don't need to repeat that in response to multiple comments. It looks like you're saying that the source Eastmain provided reads as AI-generated. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 18:01, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep as the ruler of a city state discussed by Herodotus he is notable. I agree the article should be tagged for more footnotes.Mccapra (talk) 05:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mccapra that article reads AI generated to me. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 17:42, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I’m satisfied from my search for sources that the subject is notable and therefore the article should be kept. It may be necessary to trim or edit it for various reasons but those are not considerations for an AfD discussion. Mccapra (talk) 21:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Is this AI-generated? Specifically, the Legacy section is what drew my attention, it has that sentence-structure. Curbon7 (talk) 07:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I implore the "keepers" to follow up on Curbon's question, and to examine the sources as to rule out AI hallucination. That being said, the passage "Robert Drews has shown that in Geometric and Archaic Greece the title basileus could denote leaders with limited or magistrate-like powers rather than sovereign monarchs, and this interpretation may also apply to Aristophilides' position at Taras.[4] Under this view, Aristophilides' actions do not necessarily imply monarchy, but rather supreme executive power within the polis" also looks very much like WP:OR - taking a fact from Drews and making an "interpretation"/"view" regarding Aristophilides. Geschichte (talk) 12:46, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I added the AI generated tag at the top of the article. It appears to me the subject likely meets WP:NPOL, so the question is whether the AI generation is so bad we are in WP:TNT territory. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 15:55, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Keep: Some parts of the article as originally written (particularly the Legacy section) distinctly looked AI-generated. However, the original editor came back rather more than 24 hours afterwards (and after most of the comments above) to edit what he had previously written, and the revisions seem to have at least noticeably toned down the apparent AI features, and also improved the article's citation styles. As a result, it is possible to state not just that the passages containing citations of Herodotus are in fact confirmed by the cited section of Herodotus but also that all of the other cited works are indeed held on JSTOR. Unfortunately, I do not have the JSTOR access necessary to check that the relevant passages in the article are in fact supported by the cited works - but I would hope that someone else does in fact have the access to check whether or not this is the case, and rather expect that this will be (at least approximately). If so, the article may still need some revisions, but should certainly be kept. If not, it might still be possible to salvage some of the article, but it would be a question of how much work it would be and whether it would be worth that effort. PWilkinson (talk) 21:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and clean up any AI problems - he's obviously notable. Herodotus wrote of him as being the king of Taras, meets WP:NPOL. I was able to have a look on JSTOR, and yes he is mentioned there, and one of the sources backed up that he was sometimes referred to as a king, but also as a tyrant. He is mentioned in all the JSTOR sources. If necessary the article can be trimmed back to a stub if the AI is extensive. AfD is not clean-up. There is enough there that seems to be written by a human that I do not think this falls into TNT territory. Netherzone (talk) 19:33, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yasemin Taşkın

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No evidence of satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines; losing one's job doesn't make one notable. I can find nothing about her in any reliable source anywhere. (A PROD was contested by an IP editor who posted a "merge" template to the article, but gave no explanation, and did not start a merge discussion.) JBW (talk) 22:13, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I can find information online about a number of Yasemin Taşkıns, but not this one. Mccapra (talk) 05:27, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete the lack of reliable sources in this WP:BLP requires deletion. Bearian (talk) 03:52, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails on WP:SIGCOV really more than anything else. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:51, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Peter Tait (radio presenter)

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Notability tag up for over two years. Jw93d59 (talk) 20:40, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Wayne Clarke (broadcaster)

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Notability tag up for over five years. Jw93d59 (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Fails in WP:GNG, and the prize he supposedly won has no sources. Svartner (talk) 22:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Citation needed inlines scattered all over the article shows that the article fails notability. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 23:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: No evidence of passing any notability guideline. One of 366 most influential Liverpudlians does not really seem like an WP:ANYBIO-level pass. Dclemens1971 (talk) 14:45, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails on WP:GNG as a BIO. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:53, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Borislav Simić

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Non-notable article of a football player. Only source I could find was Soccerway. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 21:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete – Per lack of WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 21:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – @Rafaelthegreat: Did you copy-paste his Serbian name (Борислав Симић) on Google search? It applies to people from countries where its language does not use Latin Alphabet. Anyway, I couldn't find anything about this footballer either. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 14:57, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Clariniie I just did it right now. Not really anything though... ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 14:59, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - I added a reference(also corrected misinformation - he is a central midfielder, not a defender).Nononsense101 (talk) 15:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, @Nononsense101, one source is not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:11, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- @Rafaelthegreat: Why not?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  @Nononsense101 there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Also, that looks like some random unknown source. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Rafaelthegreat (talk · contribs) What do you mean by "random unknown source"?Nononsense101 (talk) 15:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @Nononsense101 like I said, there need to be multiple sources, not just two, so it doesn't claim notability. Those two sources are not enough. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 15:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    Transfermarkt is not a reliable source, see WP:TRANSFERMARKT, as it is user generated. Giant Snowman 18:22, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
    @GiantSnowman thank you for agreeing with me. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:34, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. Giant Snowman 18:25, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@GiantSnowman: me and @Clariniie searched in two different languages, but we could not find anything. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Mushtaq Khatri

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Not notable per WP:CREATIVE and the article is WP:OVERCITE for a WP:BLP1E that too not a notable work. Its more of a WP:PROMOTION here only. Agent 007 (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: There is no evidence of notability, with the majority of coverage coming from WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The subject fails to meet WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. WP:CITEOVERKILL. Crazy that there are a f***ing 16 sources for one paragraph. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:49, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete – Per above and WP:BOMBARD. Svartner (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The WP:NEWSORGINDIA sources fail, otherwise failing on WP:SIGCOV grounds. Iljhgtn (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Promotional article with non notable awards. Fails SIGCOV. Zuck28 (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - can't find reliable sources for anything claimed about Tariq Mushtaq Khatri or Tariq Khatri, just the same three ludicrous press releases, posted endlessly to the usual WP:NEWSORGINDIA sites that will host that stuff. 2A02:C7C:4D0A:A500:D166:DA64:AC83:4F4B (talk) 02:16, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Simon (composer)

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Poorly sourced and given sources don't support assertions. Fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Reads like AI-generated promotional essay trash. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Article is just slop generated by an WP:LLM. Unregistered Biohazard! 18:10, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment am a bit concerned that the 2 delete votes make no mention about the notability and instead focus on whether AI has been used on the article. Considering it was started in 2014 to 2015 it could be reverted to an older version or rewritten if he is notable which should be the deciding factor. I'm undecided as I haven't done a search yet. The significant coverage in the article comes from the external link South African Composers here which seems to emanate from a university so I don't know if it's reliable or independent, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:36, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Can you identify a definitive version of the article that has no AI additions. Can you provide WP:THREE references that prove notability? - UtherSRG (talk) 14:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This July 2015 version here is probably clean of AI, Atlantic306 (talk) 20:58, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
There is a bio on All About Jazz here that mentions press coverage on the press link but I'm having trouble tracking it down, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 21:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but strip back, if necessary, all the way to a stub.

There is notability. In addition to the All About Jazz, I can find plenty of other references:

a) BBC Radio 3 website has many references, example here from the BBC Philharmonic Orchestra

b) University of Pretoria's list of South African composers here

c) Stellenbosch Library Digital Collections (which also has Christopher James on it).

d) British Music Collection - John Simon's profile leading to detailed references - website of the respected charity Sound and Music.

This may well be LLM Slop on top, but underneath there is a composer who should have a presence here. ChrysGalley (talk) 16:11, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sophalexios

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This page appears to be a hoax, see discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical Greece and Rome#Hoax article: Sophalexios? It was created on 22 September 2010 by an editor who only edited this article. It has no inline citations and a "References and further reading" section, which was added by an IP account on the same day. The only URL in the section doesn't mention the name. Nor does a Google Scholar search: https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C9&q=%22sophalexios%22&btnG=. The article was WP:PRODded, but the PROD was rejected. TSventon (talk) 06:08, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not mentioned in any of the article's references as far as I can tell, and there's nothing about such a figure in the RE, the DGRBM, Brill's New Pauly, or the Oxford Classical Dictionary. Taken alongside the circumstances of its creation, this looks pretty hoax-ish to me. – Michael Aurel (talk) 06:58, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Mccapra (talk) 07:02, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It should get an entry in our list of Wikipedia hoaxes as the 25th longest surviving hoax. The page could be saved as well, because it is an impressively well-made hoax. T8612 (talk) 07:16, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete based on lacking mentions in secondary sources, and I feel exactly like T8612: It should be included in list of Wikipedia hoaxes. This article did manage to spawn a mirror at hellenicaworld.com (and I don't see a contact there to try to fix this), so it would be great if for anyone stumbling upon this and looking over at Wikipedia would find a note that it's a hoax. Daranios (talk) 09:48, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Daranios There is a contact listed at https://www.hellenicaworld.com/Contact.html. You could send an email if you want. To be honest, I don't feel like writing it myself right now so I'll leave this here instead. Warudo (talk) 16:24, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and archive per T8612 and Daranios. Richard Keatinge (talk) 10:42, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This is either a hoax or an obscure post-classic invention (which in which case it does not pass GNG).★Trekker (talk) 10:55, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Unclear why the PROD was removed: the remover says that the article "doesn't appear to be a hoax" but doesn't explain, and it certainly appears to me to be a hoax. The long list of sources without any specific references is suspicious; those I am able to check have nothing at all to do with the topic of the article. Google Scholar returns not a single result when searching for Sophalexios. General Google searches return only wikipedia and things derived from it. It's not in any of the standard references. I can't find any reason to believe this is anything other than a hoax. Even if the creator of the wikipedia article were acting in good faith and not deliberately hoaxing, there is absolutely no reason to believe that the subject is notable – at best they are mistaken, or the subject is so obscure they have apparently not even been mentioned in the reliable sources in which you would expect to find them Caeciliusinhorto-public (talk) 11:08, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete (and archive) Only found wikipedia mirrors/unreliable sources. Seems someone set out to create some mythology. Rolluik (talk) 14:43, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and add to the list of hoaxes. The fact that an account with no other edits created this without any inline citations, then an IP added a bunch of sources that don't mention the article's topic, makes it very clear that this has to be a hoax. I would also add that reading the article, a son of Jason who fights with Corinthians on the Trojan side because he hates Agamemnon does not strike me as particularly believable based on what I know about Greek mythology.--Ermenrich (talk) 20:17, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and tally appropriately at the list of hoaxes. Zero hits on Google Scholar is a big red flag. A Google Books search finds nothing, too, as does JSTOR. Stepwise Continuous Dysfunction (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I put the PROD tag on and am extremely dismayed to see that it was removed for unexplained and unsubstantiated reasons by an editor who apparently is just objecting to all the PRODs in sight. I removed the PROD because it is nuanced we are told. Where is the nuance? The entire library of supposed sources is spurious. Google Scholar yields not a single result. Google Books yields not a single result. Jstor yields not a single result. The Oxford Classical Dictionary yields not a single result. The Realencyclopaedie yields not a single result. If this isn't a hoax it is not notable. Either way the article should be deleted. The only nuance here is whether there should be sanctions for the de-PRODing editor's pattern of behaviour. Ifly6 (talk) 21:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. By seeing this, this is a hoax. ~Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 00:19, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Move to Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Sophalexios (then delete the redirect from mainspace). This is a "respectable" hoax that will go in the top 25 entries on that page, and it's worth saving for Wiki historians, just like many others on that list (ex. Wikipedia:List of hoaxes on Wikipedia/Mustelodon, etc.). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Caeciliusinhorto-public @Daranios @Ermenrich @Ifly6 @Jolielover@Mccapra@Michael Aurel@Rafaelthegreat Pinging folks so that you can consider the technical move-then-delete redirect suggestion I proposed, least the closing admin claims there was no consensus for the (late) suggestion of preserving this content on the subpages of the list of hoaxes. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:39, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

no objection to this proposal Mccapra (talk) 03:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No objection either to this. Ifly6 (talk) 04:36, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perfectly fine by me. – Michael Aurel (talk) 05:41, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No objection.--Ermenrich (talk) 13:05, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me (as proposer). TSventon (talk) 13:42, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. Daranios (talk) 19:51, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Delete this likely hoax. Iljhgtn (talk) 06:16, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, this article seems based on a fantasy novel, see https://www.amazon.es/Sophalexios-Lambert-M-Surhone/dp/6134539287 Tympanus (talk) 06:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tympanus the Amazon listing you found is dated 1 Dec. 2010, while the article was published on 22 September 2010. It looks like a reprint of Wikipedia articles by Betascript Publishing, see OmniScriptum#Wikipedia content duplication. TSventon (talk) 11:50, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

John Warren (convict)

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Since the previous AfD we are much stricter on notability. Searches in google books and Australian trove for [John Warren (convict)] seem yield to namesakes. Fails WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 03:27, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep or Merge after reading very long debate on 1st Afd. Xxanthippe (talk) 04:20, 27 August 2025 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. Does not fail WP:BIO. Deleting this does not improve the encyclopaedia. Hesperian 01:05, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"does not improve the encyclopaedia" is not a reason for meeting notability requirements. LibStar (talk) 02:07, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. Nor is "Searches in google books and Australian trove seem yield to namesakes". What's your point here? Hesperian 09:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes it does. The search proves a lack of sources is insufficient to meet WP:BIO. LibStar (talk) 14:20, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
This is such an untrue statement. It "proves" absolutely nothing. Ike Lek (talk) 19:38, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Following me again? LibStar (talk) 00:49, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
a google search on John+warren+convict with is what the above link does struggle to give any results, what you need to do is better searching and using places like Trove and State Library of Western Australias collection to see there is more. Also most sources dont say convict. As you can see this person part of the Temerance movement in NOrtham, the formation of the heritage list place all dont talk aboput his convict past. People arent following you around they are following an area of interest that you decided to mass nominate for deletion in separate nominations forcing people to waste their time chasing each one and answering everyone of those nominations. Gnan garra 03:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep John Warren applied for the license to run a Boarding and Lodging House in Northam at Temperance Hall, Temperance Hall is on the Western Australian Heritage register[30] the site includes the Busmans Home[31] definitely notable Gnan garra 13:53, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Merge/delete. This is one of a number of separate articles relating to individuals listed in Ex-convict school teachers in Western Australia. Apart from their membership of a notable group, few of them are notable in their own right, so the articles could be deleted. Alternatively, the information in them could be merged into the larger one. Mark Gould (talk) 16:15, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Patrick Casale

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completely non-notable "therapist" - 0 independent reliable sources covering them either academically or in any other fashion. also complete and total nonsense promo. COOLIDICAE🕶 18:05, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I am rewriting the content for a more objective and encyclopedic approach, and to properly illustrate it's significance as public information. Archiealibasa (talk) 18:09, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The person is a notable activist and advocate for neurodivergence sensitivity, affirmation and acceptance in the community. This is illustrated by his invitation to give a TedX talk to discuss his experience living a neurodivergent/autistic/adhd/audhd individual. Archiealibasa (talk) 18:11, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't change the 1.) lack of notability, 2.) lack of sourcing to support notability elsewhere and 3.) your inability to appropriate disclose your affiliation to the subjects you've written about, so instead we're forced into this bureaucratic nonsense. Also TedX talks are worthless for notability. COOLIDICAE🕶 18:11, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you call Wikipedia's fair process as "bureaucratic nonsense" then you're not fit to review and place judgment on other people's output. Find another job. Archiealibasa (talk) 18:13, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please keep the personal attacks to yourself please. Yes the process is bureaucratic, could it be better? Probably, but it's what we have to work with. Oaktree b (talk) 20:04, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

He is well known in the neurodivergent and mental health community. Most of us don't know him, specially the reviewers here, but he is well-known, appreciated and a champion of neurodivergent inclusion and acceptance in their fast-growing community. Archiealibasa (talk) 18:12, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Being well known but with no sourcing to show it doesn't help the situation. If he's in a fast-growing community, that seems to indicate that the person isn't yet notable. Oaktree b (talk) 20:31, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the creator feels like continuing to hound on this subject, here's a source list.

Source assessment table
Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://practiceofthepractice.com/creating-a-neurodivergent-group-practice-with-patrick-casale-gp-260/			Just a generic blurb submitted by the subject/their PR team if they have one, it's nothing more than a promotional place holder	✘ No
https://voyageraleigh.com/interview/inspiring-conversations-with-patrick-casale-of-all-things-private-practice/			as established in many prior deletion discussions, Voyage____ is basically an interview publishing that is only pay for publishing (I can link proof, again, if needed)	✘ No
https://profitfirstprofessionals.com/podcast/patrick-casale-insights-for-neurodivergent-leadership-in-business/			interview, from an unreliable, unknown "profit first" (lol) publication on a medical professional?	✘ No
https://selling-the-couch.captivate.fm/episode/encore-creating-authentic-win-win-relationships-with-colleagues	podcast	it's reliable for things like "my favorite color is blue"	obviously	✘ No
https://resilientmindcounseling.com/patrick-casale/	his own website	reliable in that it exists and he exists		✘ No
https://www.therapyden.com/therapist/patrick-casale-asheville-nc	same as 5, except it's a third party, or maybe second party?			✘ No
https://canvasrebel.com/meet-patrick-casale/	another paid for placement in an unknown, unreliable publication			✘ No
https://brettwhitmarsh.com/neurodivergent-leadership-insights-from-patrick-casale/	probably not, this is just a medium-esque blog	see above		✘ No
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/therapists/resilient-mind-counseling-asheville-nc/1001943	just a listing for his services			✘ No
https://practiceofthepractice.com/creating-a-neurodivergent-group-practice-with-patrick-casale-gp-226/	see 1			✘ No
https://practiceoftherapy.com/creativity-neurodiversity-and-entrepreneurship-in-private-practice/	podcast featuring the subject		not coverage	✘ No
https://www.therapymarketer.co/articles/how-to-offer-retreats-for-therapists-with-patrick-casale	another interview			✘ No
https://www.joinheard.com/articles/the-complete-list-of-income-streams-for-therapists	probably not independent but in any case, it's not significant or relevant	just a random blog		✘ No
https://www.drlizlistens.com/podcast-appearances/let-s-end-hustle-culture-internalized-capitalism-all-things-private-practice-with-patrick-casale	absolutely not independent, it's a podcast featuring him and it's not even a notable podcast	someone talking about themselves is not reliable for anything other than basic information like their favorite color		✘ No
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/all-things-private-practice-podcast/id1596161682	just an apple podcast link			✘ No
https://allbrainsbelong.org/divergent-conversations/	not even about him, but it's an interview with someone else			✘ No
https://www.audible.com/podcast/Divergent-Conversations/B0BR8HSKW4	see 15			✘ No
https://www.espeakers.com/marketplace/es/profile/50885/patrick-casale	see 15,17 and everything else			✘ No
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyImqW69OY4&ab_channel=TEDxTalks	see WP:TEDX			✘ No
https://www.allthingspractice.com/new-zealand-neurodivergent	another link to a self promo website			✘ No
https://www.empoweredescapes.com/greece-retreat-2025			i don't need to explain this anymore, let the giant "Enjoy 6 Days & 5 Nights on the Beautiful island of Crete, Greece. Chania is breathtaking. It's Time To Put Yourself First" pop up add do it for you	✘ No
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COOLIDICAE🕶 20:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Fails WP:GNG per the source analysis above.4meter4 (talk) 20:18, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Very non-notable individual. Does not pass academic notability as there are ZERO publications by him in Gscholar or Jstor, Gnews also draws a blank. The chart above pretty much shows no RS used, nor can I find any. Very much PROMO. Oaktree b (talk) 20:30, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete this not yet notable fellow. - Roxy the dog 12:31, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Poorly sourced WP:BLP with credible allegation of paid editing. In ordinary times, not big problems, but nowadays, this is a huge problem, with powerful forces seeking to disrupt us. Read the news. Come back in 17 months. Bearian (talk) 02:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Thanks for the helpful source analysis. After review, regardless of the potention UPE and COI, I think he is clearly not notable enough. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 14:11, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Didi Kasim

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The first AfD ended with no consensus. One "weak keep" argument was that the subject's name appears in 2 Google Scholar results, but in both cases he is only listed as an interviewee, not as the author. There is no SIGCOV or independent coverage of the subject, and Google search only turns up his social media accounts. As a journalist, he does not meet any of the four criteria at WP:JOURNALIST, and in my view the subject also fails WP:GNG. Ckfasdf (talk) 14:11, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom, fails GNG and SIGCOV. 🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸 ^{(Let's talk)} ✉ 11:12, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom findings. ROY is WAR Talk! 11:57, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails WP:SIGCOV. Excelse (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Failing on WP:SIGCOV and WP:GNG. Iljhgtn (talk) 05:29, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Avinaash V. Rai

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No significant independent coverage to justify a standalone article. - The9Man ^Talk 10:50, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 06:33, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Corrine Almeida

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Fails the Wikipedia notability guidelines for academics and the sources fail the general notability guidelines. Ibjaja055 (talk) 06:37, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Delete. While I like the page -- facts stated and no peacock -- I cannot find enough here, in her publications or via a search to justify a pass of WP:NPROF; if she had a senior award or two I would change my mind. I also do not see WP:SIGCOV for a WP:GNG pass. (Having the same name as a famous singer does not help.)Ldm1954 (talk) 13:42, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I see that her work is important, and there are some reliable sources, but I'm still unclear about her passing either PROF or GNG. We could use more input. Bearian (talk) 02:51, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Daria Kudashova

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Disputed PROD by the article creator quoting Tennis Project guidelines which do not supercede GNG. This tennis player has a best singles rankings of 362 and doubles of 833. She has never played a Grand Slam, WTA Tour or Billie Jean King Cup match. All the sources provided are routine database stuff as is the sparse amount I can find about her through a before search. In summation this article fails GNG and SIGCOV. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Very limited match coverage [32], but nothing showing notability. Being ranked 300-something and 800-something are not notable, without lots of sourcing, which we don't have. Oaktree b (talk) 15:35, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tariq Masood

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The article has already been deleted twice, once in 2023 and again in 2024. Looking at the current version, it reads less like a Wikipedia article and more like a résumé written in a promotional tone. As for the references, the majority come from WP:NEWSORGINDIA, which are largely routine coverage. The subject seems to appear in the news from time to time mainly due to controversies, which again amounts to routine coverage. I don’t think the subject passes WP:GNG or WP:NAUTHOR in any way. Mehar R. Khan (talk) 13:32, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep (as the creator of this article) – I respectfully disagree with the deletion nomination. The subject meets WP:GNG because there is clear evidence of significant, independent coverage in multiple reliable sources across different regions and languages. In Pakistan, outlets such as Dawn have covered Tariq Masood’s role in national debates including his participation in anti-extremism seminars and opposition to domestic legislation, while The Express Tribune reported on his participation in major religious conferences. In India, mainstream newspapers including The Print, The Economic Times, Navbharat Times and Rajasthan Patrika have all reported on him, particularly in the context of blasphemy debates, public threats, and controversies. In Bangladesh, media such as Somoy News, Kaler Kantho, Dhaka Today, Dhaka Post, and Naya Diganta gave extensive coverage to his 2025 tour, including addresses at leading universities and mass gatherings, with multiple outlets analysing the reasons for his popularity among youth. In addition, his presence is documented in academic work: a 2024 German-language study on antisemitism in social media lists him among Pakistani clerics whose Urdu sermons contained hostile rhetoric towards Jews and Zionism,^[1] while a 2023 peer-reviewed chapter on Islamic preaching analyses his use of social media as part of wider trends in South Asian religious discourse.^[2]
The range of sourcing—spanning Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Germany—demonstrates coverage that is neither routine nor trivial, but substantial and sustained over time. It includes reporting on his educational background, international preaching, controversies, and his role in social debates. This satisfies WP:GNG as well as WP:AUTHOR, since coverage exists in both news media and academic literature. The article draft may have contained promotional tone, but this is a matter for neutral copy-editing and trimming under WP:NPOV, not a reason for deletion. Given the breadth and independence of sources, the subject clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability standards and the article should therefore be kept. Khaatir (talk) 14:05, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Hübscher, Monika; Mering, Sabine von (2024-06-17). Antisemitismus in den Sozialen Medien [Antisemitism in Social Media] (in German). Verlag Barbara Budrich. p. 168. ISBN 978-3-8474-1950-1.

^ Sajjad, Mohammad Waqas (2023-12-18), Akca, Ayşe Almıla; Feise-Nasr, Mona; Stenske, Leonie; Süer, Aydın (eds.), "Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan", Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, De Gruyter, pp. 237–256, doi:10.1515/9783110788334-012, ISBN 978-3-11-078833-4, retrieved 2025-08-18

Keep (as the page creator) – Subject is covered in multiple independent reliable sources, including Dawn, The Express Tribune, ThePrint (India), De Gruyter (academic), and JSTOR. The article has been rewritten in a neutral tone with strong citations addressing past concerns. Khaatir (talk) 15:38, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment – The current version has been substantially revised: promotional tone trimmed, unreliable/WP:NEWSORGINDIA-type citations removed, and replaced with stronger sourcing. It now cites mainstream outlets like Dawn, The Express Tribune, ThePrint, ABP and Navbharat Times, along with peer-reviewed academic studies (JSTOR 2022, De Gruyter 2023, Univ. of Chitral 2024, German monograph 2024). These provide independent, significant coverage across Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, and Europe. Thus, the article now addresses past AfD concerns on sourcing and neutrality, and demonstrates notability per WP:GNG. Khaatir (talk) 02:21, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  I was previously unsure how best to present the sourcing. To clarify: in addition to coverage in Pakistani, Indian, and Bangladeshi newspapers, there are several peer-reviewed academic sources and scholarly books that discuss Tariq Masood in depth. These include:
  1. Sajjad, Mohammad Waqas (2023-12-18), Akca, Ayşe Almıla; Feise-Nasr, Mona; Stenske, Leonie; Süer, Aydın (eds.), "Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan", Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, De Gruyter, pp. 237–256, doi:10.1515/9783110788334-012, ISBN 978-3-11-078833-4, retrieved 2025-08-25 (20 pages on Masood)
  2. Jafar, Imad (2022). "The History of the Epithet al-Ghawth al-Aʿzam in South Asian Islamic Discourse". Islamic Studies. 61 (3): 266–267. doi:10.52541/isiri.v61i3.2442. ISSN 0578-8072. JSTOR 27236434. (almost one page on Masood)
  3. Kelso, Erin (2024-03-01). "Women marching for solidarity: 5 years of Aurat March in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan". Dialectical Anthropology. 48 (1): 124. doi:10.1007/s10624-024-09720-4. ISSN 1573-0786 – via Springer.com. (almost three paragraphs related to Masood)
  4. Sagheer, Iram; Fatima, Emaan; Khan, Zoya; Ali, Khadija (2024). "A Pragmatic Analysis of Pakistani Religious Podcast (Mufti Tariq Masood)". University of Chitral Journal of Linguistics & Literature. 8 (1). University of Chitral: 288–302. Archived from the original on 11 February 2025. Retrieved 25 August 2025. (A peer-reviewed article of approximately 15 pages)
  5. Jabbar, Ms Almees; Qureshi, Dr Hafsa Ayaz (2023-10-24). "Physical Abuse in Pakistan: An Islāmic Perspective on Violence in Interpersonal Relationships". Al-Hameed Islamic Studies Research Journal. 2 (2): 25. ISSN 2959-1767. Archived from the original on 26 August 2025. (two sentences on Masood)
  6. Hübscher, Monika; von Mering, Sabine, eds. (2024-06-17). Antisemitismus in den Sozialen Medien (1 ed.). Verlag Barbara Budrich. p. 168. doi:10.2307/jj.16148256. ISBN 978-3-8474-1950-1. JSTOR jj.16148256. (name listed among Pakistani YouTube preachers in a study on antisemitic hate speech)
  These are independent, scholarly publications that go beyond routine news coverage. Khaatir (talk) 00:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  
  The Indian references, except the two articles from ThePrint, have been removed, and such content has also been excluded which was based solely on Indian material. Khaatir (talk) 18:23, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
- Procedural note: Some comments misstate the deletion history. The article has indeed been deleted several times in the past, but not always through AfD. It was speedily deleted under A7 and G12, and once via PROD, in 2020 and again in 2024. Those are not AfD outcomes. There has only been one prior AfD, in October 2023, which closed as delete (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tariq Masood). The present discussion is therefore the second AfD nomination, not “round three.” Khaatir (talk) 14:02, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment: - besides the nominator, 3 others !voted to delete this article during the other AfD. All 3 of them were subsequently blocked as sockpuppets.--A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 00:35, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I have looked at the references in the article, and I agree with the nominator that most of them are from WP:NEWSORGINDIA. The article has also been deleted multiple times in the past due to notability concerns. Beyond that, there is nothing in-depth about the subject. I don’t think the subject passes even WP:BASIC. Some of the sources used in the article, such as Times Now, Bol News, Somoy News, and Express News, are completely non-reliable. Their inclusion in the article only serves to mislead other editors or waste their time. One more point to other editors and closing admins: the editor who posted the keep comment above is the article’s original creator. Baqi:) (talk) 14:29, 24 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:16, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and Salt. Fails WP:GNG. The sources are not clearly independent per WP:NEWSORGINDIA. WP:SALT because this is now round three at AFD.4meter4 (talk) 19:17, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Non-notable individual, he got some media coverage for his viral clips on social media, and a blasphemy controversy. But most of this coverage is WP:NEWSORGINDIA and not WP:SIGCOV. Subject is evidently not passing the criteria mentioned in Wp:GNG. Also SALT is applicable as per the fellow editor, 4meter4. Zuck28 (talk) 11:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NEWSORGINDIA and BLPSOURCES. —Fortuna, imperatrix 14:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There seem to be a lot of confusions around the sources utilises in this article. For the sake of notability, I believe this article is a clear pass. We have Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan in De Gruyter's Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, a detailed 20 page academic article on Tariq Masood. We have more than a paragraph on Page 266 of The History of the Epithet al-Ghawth al-A'ẓam in South Asian Islamic Discourse, and also that we have A Pragmatic Analysis of Pakistani Religious Podcast (Mufti Tariq Masood), as a very important academic resource that discusses Tariq Masood from a linguistic prism. Given that these are my three best picks, the rest of the coverage in Dawn, ThePrint and the rest of the sources is a good supplement. The subject meets WP:GNG. _Regards,Aafi ^(talk) 17:28, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Please note, Khaatir (the article creator) and Aafi are connected with the same Wikimedia community. It is possible that WP:MEATPUPPETRY is involved here, so this should also be taken into consideration. Mehru13 (talk) 18:07, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
That's a weird speculation. My interests are way different than that of Khaatir (even though they might voluntarily belong to a certain Wikimedia community, this doesn't inherently establish meatpuppetry). Would you want to refute the argument that I presented for establishing notability? Apart from this, I really don't have anything to say. _Regards,Aafi ^(talk) 18:26, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Mehru13, your insinuations of meatpuppetry are serious. If you have evidence of this, take it to WP:SPI or, if it involves offline evidence, email the Arbitration Committee. Otherwise, you are casting aspersions which may boomerang back at you. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:32, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - previous deletions:
- 21 November 2020 - PROD - "This article is about a non-notable character in a TV series."
  - That first article was not about this person
- 23 November 2020 - speedy deletion "(A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)"
  - The current version of the article clears the low bar of WP:A7 by a wide margin
  - This second article followed the PROD by 2 days - was it about the same TV character?
- 14 December 2020 - speedy deletion "(G12-type: copy-paste from draft space)"
  - WP:G12 isn't applicable to this version
  - This third article followed the PROD by 3 weeks - was it about the same TV character?
- 24 October 2023 - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tariq Masood.
  - 3 editors !voted to delete (besides the nominator). All 3 were subsequently indefinitely blocked as sockpuppets of banned users Syed amjad08, Dove's talk and Darshak.parmar. One other person expressed reservations about deletion but did not formally say "keep". Had the socks been discovered during the AfD, it would probably have been kept open and re-listed.
  - This fourth version was about the same Muslim cleric as the current article
- 6 September 2024 - speedy deletion "(A7: Article about a real person, which does not credibly indicate the importance or significance of the subject)"
  - The current version of the article clears the low bar of WP:A7 by a wide margin
  - Was that fifth, 2024 article about the cleric or the TV character?

I don't think any of the 5 previous deletions apply to the current article. Some weren't even the same person. I'm not arguing that the article should be kept -- just that the previous deletions shouldn't have much bearing here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by A. B. (talk • contribs)

Admin note, just answering to AB's questions about deleted content: September 2024 deleted article is a much worse article about this same person, as were December 14 and November 23, 2020. None are relevant to the content in the current article at AfD for reasons you indicated above. No opinion on merit of current one as to notability Star Mississippi 01:55, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, the nominator, Mehru13 described the article thusly: "Looking at the current version, it reads less like a Wikipedia article and more like a résumé written in a promotional tone.". Since that time, the article has been edited over 100 times, mostly by Khaatir, and substantially rewritten. It's now a well-cited, very good article and not promotional in tone at all. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:21, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Khaatir and Aafi plus my own previous comments. Clearly notable. --A. B. ^{(talk • contribs • global count)} 02:36, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Suvendu Ghosh

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Poor to unreliable sources, fails WP:GNG. Zuck28 (talk) 02:25, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: seems to meet Wp:DIRECTOR. See his filmography and sources like https://www.hindustantimes.com/htcity/main-mulayam-singh-yadav-director-suvendu-raj-ghosh-prefer-making-realistic-cinema-over-commercial-projects-101706942108884.html https://www.timesnownews.com/entertainment-news/reviews/bollywood/kusum-ka-biyaah-movie-review-suvendu-ghoshs-film-a-heartfelt-tale-of-love-and-resilience-review-107669287 https://filminformation.com/featured/kusum-ka-biyaah-review-1-march-2024/?amp=1 - E. Ux 06:02, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Independent reliable sources indicate Ghosh passes criteria 3 of WP:FILMMAKER. I note we have multiple articles on films directed by the subject. Typically that indicates a director will pass an WP:SNG.4meter4 (talk) 16:39, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Seems to satisfy the third criteria of WP:DIRECTOR. Not all films, but Kusum Ka Biyaah and Main Mulayam Singh Yadav and Sesh Jibon have multiple reviews available from reliable sources, although they haven't been added to their Wiki pages. This page does contain a few unreliable sources and unreferenced information; cleaning them up and adding a few critical reviews in his career and filmography sections would probably be enough.

BhikhariInformer (talk) 12:22, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Emilio Baglioni

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The article reads more like a promotional biography than an encyclopedic entry. Much of the content is unsourced, or sourced to highly unreliable or self-published material (e.g. personal websites, YouTube uploads from the subject, a dead local blog). There is little evidence of significant coverage in independent, reliable secondary sources that would establish notability under WP:BIO. The inclusion of unsourced claims about childhood experiences, family lineage, and personal relationships further contributes to the article’s promotional tone. eh bien mon prince (talk) 18:00, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Appears to be a chef of some local renown---his restaurant got a LA Times review back in the 1980s and received additional WP:MILL coverage of the restaurant's life cycle. (1 2)---but there is no significant coverage of the subject to substantiate WP:GNG. -- BriefEdits (talk) 15:36, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Totally promo article, no evidence of notability, clearly fails WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 20:36, 25 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:13, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I'm seeing a lot of coverage in California newspapers in newspapers.com extending from 1968 through 1998; some of which cover television appearances. Additionally google books shows snippets of articles in culinary magazines such as a 1990 article in Epicurean Rendezvous and a 1991 article on him in National Culinary Review. This book published by Wiley (publisher) indicates he was a notable figure in an "Italian renaissance" in cuisine in America of the 20th century. I don't think demonstrating WP:SIGCOV will be difficult.4meter4 (talk) 16:29, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
In regard to the Restaurants & Institutions article, the coverage only mentions the subject and is mostly about the restaurant as it's a piece on the landscape of Italian restaurants in the United States. The same could be said about the Epicurean Rendezvous page (a 90s restaurant guide). The WP refs and JSTOR hits are more or less the same---some occasional name drops, some WP:MILL coverage of the restaurant. Therefore, I don't think the coverage as it stands passes WP:SIGCOV. -- BriefEdits (talk) 04:07, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Enayatollah Poostchi

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Bio of a philanthropist about whom little is known. Sources are mainly about his endowed institution, not him. No in depth coverage in reliable independent sources. Mccapra (talk) 08:26, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I hereby confirm the contextual legibility of the references cited. The article appears to be in compliance with Wikipedia’s notability policy, deletion policy, speedy deletion criteria, and conflict of interest guidelines, in the absence of compelling evidence to the contrary. I foresee the relevance of this information, particularly for second-generation and later members of the Persian-descended community in the United States, as well as for non-Persian-speaking Persian communities worldwide. Therefore, in the absence of a stronger case for deletion, the article may, for all practical purposes, remain. May peace be upon you all. Thank you.

PS: just for clarification the sources include the independent investigation of the highest official journalistic authorities of the state and one hardcore opposition one; which further promotes the principle of neutrality. and these are in in addition to the scientific notability criteria the original author posted.

ArmanMirzaei (talk) 01:49, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I appreciate the careful consideration of this article. However, I respectfully contend that Enayatollah Poostchi meets the notability requirements for the following reasons:
Established philanthropic legacy: He founded the Poostchi first Subspecialty Eye Hospital and Clinic in Shiraz Poostchi Subspecialty Eye Hospital and Clinic, which continues to operate, train medical professionals, and serve patients across southern Iran. The hospital's longstanding presence and institutional affiliation with Shiraz University of Medical Sciences attest to his enduring impact. Wikipedia

Reliable, independent documentation: The hospital’s history, including its construction, funding, medical missions, and contributions to public health, are recorded in independent secondary sources and institutional documents. These reflect significant coverage beyond trivial mentions. Wikipedia+1

Sufficient independent secondary sources: Both the biographical overview and the hospital’s history appear in published, authoritative sources separate from the subject, establishing verifiability and independence.

In line with Wikipedia’s notability policy, this evidence demonstrates that Poostchi is notable through his philanthropic contributions and institutional legacy. Therefore, I believe the article merits retention and further development. Shahnam ^K (Talk) 11:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Poostchi Subspecialty Eye Hospital and Clinic per WP:ATD. The sourcing is not sufficient to pass WP:SIGCOV. The only independent sources discussing Poostchi directly and in detail are the two iranwire sources. However, these are actually the same article; one is just an English language translation of the foreign language text. It's therefore just one source and not two. We can't build an article on a single reference with significant coverage.4meter4 (talk) 01:54, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I support that redirect but the clinic article also has a notability tag. Mccapra (talk) 09:21, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dennis Gehlen

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Little established notability. Sources are of dubious reliability; only source close to passing GNG is a Daily Dot article. Go D. Usopp (talk) 12:40, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, the only sources available are interviews, which are not secondary sources, or are otherwise unreliable Starcraft fan websites and the like. Even the Daily Dot article feels more like a disguised promotional interview than an actual secondary source. Devonian Wombat (talk) 23:33, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Jason Parker (security researcher)

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Bringing this back to AfD after a previous no consensus decision as it was referenced on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Blake Welsh. There remains no significant coverage of the subject of the article. Notability is not inherited and discovering vulnerabilities, even if notable, does not make the discoverer notable. Brandon (talk) 04:54, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete passing mentions of article subject in the news coverage, but no WP:SIGCOV on this individual. Does not pass WP:ANYBIO. Nayyn (talk) 08:52, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, dude you don't get to rehash the same arguments over and over again. The sources haven't changed significantly and neither has any of the guidelines. My previous argument still stands. -- Sohom (talk) 14:39, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

For context, "I think having ArsTechnica, a variety of legal sources, TechCrunch and SC Media go into depth about a specific vulnerability and explicitly accredit the discovery of said vulnerabilities to a person, should push the said person over the bar of WP:GNG, since, such coverage is pretty rare in the field of cybersecurity and would count as significant coverage in my opinion" was what I said before and I still stand by it. -- Sohom (talk) 14:45, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rename and redirect to 2023-2024 Jason Parker cybersecurity vulnerabilities. That appears to be the topic that has significant coverage in reliable sources. As far as I can tell, the subject is not necessarily notable as an independent cybersecurity researcher, and certainly doesn't meet WP:NACADEMIC. Caleb Stanford (talk) 16:37, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I’d like to note for the record that the article on Dan Kaminsky demonstrates precedent where a security researcher is considered notable specifically for a discovery in his case, the 2008 DNS cache poisoning vulnerability. The article itself highlights this under ‘Known for Discovering the 2008 DNS cache poisoning vulnerability’ This suggests that discoveries, when accompanied by significant independent coverage, can satisfy WP:GNG. AxiomGaming (talk) 01:51, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The sources listed in the article do not cover the subject directly and in detail. There is coverage about the subject's work for a span of time around government information security, but there's little biographical detail about the subject to write a Wikipedia article. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 07:44, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Blake Welsh

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Subject lacks significant coverage by the sources in the article. Their name has been mentioned reasonably frequently in connection with discovering vulnerabilities, however not a single article spends any time discussing the subject aside from crediting them with the discovery. Brandon (talk) 15:29, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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There is precedent for similar cases where security researchers were kept despite most coverage being in the context of vulnerabilities. For example, in the AfD for Jason Parker (security researcher) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Parker_(security_researcher)

(2024), the article was not deleted. Editors there noted that repeated attribution in independent, reliable sources across multiple incidents demonstrated sufficient notability, even if no single profile piece existed. This situation is comparable. AxiomGaming (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm nothing if not consistent: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jason Parker (security researcher) (2nd nomination). Brandon (talk) 04:58, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Brandon has stated "I'm nothing if not consistent" (here) and previously "Please ignore the admin icon, I'm just someone who used to spend too much time on Wikipedia and enjoys computer security. My AfD nominations end with the article being kept as often as anyone else" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jason_Parker_(security_researcher)

). In the second nomination for that article, he also argued: "discovering vulnerabilities, even if notable, does not make the discoverer notable" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Jason_Parker_(security_researcher)_(2nd_nomination).

The reasoning in this discussion seems different from those earlier AfDs on similar subjects, raising concerns about consistency in applying WP:SIGCOV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability#significant_coverage. Per WP:NPOV https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view, each case should be judged neutrally on the basis of independent sources and coverage, not on an editor's changing stance across discussions. AxiomGaming (talk) 19:26, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I'd like to note that the inclusion of this discussion in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions is directly supported by a reliable source. For example, TechCrunch explicitly confirmed my Maryland connection, stating: "and Welsh is a student at Anne Arundel Community College in Maryland." (TechCrunch, June 30, 2015) https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/30/vulnerability-in-security-service-lifelock-could-have-exposed-logins-and-passwords/. This demonstrates clear sourcing for the Maryland relevance of the article. AxiomGaming (talk) 21:26, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The standard is significant coverage, not merely being mentioned in passing by a reliable source. Brandon (talk) 04:58, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Similar to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Ian_Coldwater, coverage of my work is significant - multiple reliable sources directly reported on vulnerabilities I discovered, not merely in passing. Several of these disclosures were substantial, involving adversaries potentially gaining access to the personal information of entire customer bases at companies such as MetroPCS, Verizon, and Charter. AxiomGaming (talk) 06:23, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AfD debates do not set precedent and no consensus outcomes with 2 participants are especially unpersuasive. Coverage of your work is not the threshold, there needs to be significant coverage of you. Your name and place of residence does not constitute a Wikipedia article. Brandon (talk) 07:25, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:SIGCOV, significant coverage means more than a passing mention, but does not require that the subject be the sole focus of an article. In this case, multiple independent, reliable outlets (Vice, TechCrunch, Gizmodo, The Register, BuzzFeed, etc.) provided detailed reporting on vulnerabilities that directly attributed their discovery to the subject. This meets the standard for significant coverage under WP:BIO. AxiomGaming (talk) 08:04, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as WP:BLP article subject lacks WP:SIGCOV from WP:RS to WP:V claims beyond the discovery. Don't think this person counts for WP:BLP1E. Discovery used in a WP:UNDUE fashion with regards to notability. Nayyn (talk) 08:48, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Per WP:SIGCOV, significant coverage means more than a passing mention, but does not require the subject to be the sole focus of an article. In this case, multiple independent and reliable outlets directly attributed discoveries to me:

The Register: "Cinder researchers Eric Taylor and Blake Welsh say the vulnerabilities were simple to exploit up until a patch was dropped."

https://www.theregister.com/2015/11/16/metropcs_patches_hole_that_opened_10_million_user_creds_to_plunder/

Vice: "Security researchers Eric Taylor and Blake Welsh, who both work at secure payments firm Cinder, found the bug in mid-October."

https://www.vice.com/en/article/nasty-bug-in-metropcs-website-left-personal-data-of-subscribers-open-to-hacker/

TechCrunch: "Welsh is a student at Anne Arundel Community College in Maryland. They have previously discovered basic but dangerous vulnerabilities at PayPal."

https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/30/vulnerability-in-security-service-lifelock-could-have-exposed-logins-and-passwords/

https://web.archive.org/web/20160318225931/https://www.paypal.com/webapps/mpp/security-tools/wall-of-fame-honorable-mention

Yahoo News: "Cinder researchers Eric Taylor and Blake Welsh say the vulnerabilities were simple to exploit…"

https://tech.yahoo.com/general/article/2015-11-15-metropcs-site-exposed-subscriber-data.html

Fierce Wireless: "Report: MetroPCS customers' personal information had been vulnerable due to website security."

https://www.fierce-network.com/wireless/report-metropcs-customers-personal-information-had-been-vulnerable-due-to-website-security

in addition to coverage in multiple independent reliable sources

The AT&T Bug Bounty Hall of Fame (archived at https://web.archive.org/web/20181228020539/https://bugbounty.att.com/hof.php#archive

) explicitly lists Blake Welsh under the research group "Cinder." This confirms both individual recognition and organizational affiliation.
These are not trivial mentions they provide direct quotes, organizational context (Cinder), and secondary verification (e.g., TechCrunch on PayPal). This shows repeated, substantive coverage across multiple outlets, which meets the standard for significant coverage under WP:BIO. AxiomGaming (talk) 09:28, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Correction: In my earlier comment I mistakenly presented the Yahoo News wording as a direct quote. To clarify, the article paraphrases that "Eric Taylor and Blake Welsh" found the vulnerabilities. AxiomGaming (talk) 09:53, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
To add on, WP:GNG is ultimately the core standard for biographical notability. It requires only significant coverage in independent, reliable sources-not that the subject be the exclusive focus. Here, the combination of TechCrunch, The Register, Vice, Yahoo News, Fierce Wireless, Vice, fastcompany, BuzzFeed and industry recognition (AT&T Bug Bounty Hall of Fame, PayPal Wall of Fame) clearly demonstrates repeated, non-trivial coverage.

In two separate AfDs regarding another cybersecurity researcher (Jason Parker), editor Sohom emphasized: "I think having ArsTechnica, a variety of legal sources, TechCrunch and SC Media go into depth about a specific vulnerability and explicitly accredit the discovery of said vulnerabilities to a person, should push the said person over the bar of WP:GNG, since, such coverage is pretty rare in the field of cybersecurity and would count as significant coverage in my opinion (imo)." This was stated more than once, reinforcing that such sourcing is sufficient for WP:GNG in this field.

That same reasoning applies here. Multiple independent, reliable outlets have provided in-depth reporting, explicit attribution, and contextual detail. Other cybersecurity biographies with weaker or equivalent sourcing have been considered to meet WP:GNG, and applying the same standard consistently, this article does as well.

Furthermore, WP:V appears to be covered, as the cited articles contain verifiable facts and attribution. In addition to multiple independent news outlets, industry organizations themselves (AT&T Bug Bounty Hall of Fame, PayPal Wall of Fame) have validated and listed me by name on their official websites. This provides independent verification alongside the press coverage, ensuring compliance with the verifiability requirement.

Additionally:

Per WP:RS, the outlets cited here TechCrunch, The Register, Vice, Yahoo News, and Buzzfeed, and Softpedia, PayPal and AT&T are all widely recognized as independent, mainstream, and reliable sources that regularly cover technology and cybersecurity. These publications have longstanding editorial oversight, are frequently cited across Wikipedia, and are routinely relied upon in existing articles about technology companies and cybersecurity professionals.
The fact that each of these outlets & companies themselves have Wikipedia entries further supports that the community has already evaluated them as notable, persistent, and generally reliable sources of news. If the community thought they were fundamentally unreliable, they likely wouldn’t be cited so widely, nor have standalone articles explaining their editorial roles and histories.

If coverage in these outlets were discounted, it would set an unusually high bar inconsistent with Wikipedia practice, since many comparable biographies of professionals in this field rely on the very same sources to establish notability. The use of these publications is therefore in line with WP:RS and with how Wikipedia has consistently treated reliable technology journalism & companies.

Given that these sources provided not just passing mentions but detailed coverage explicitly accrediting vulnerabilities and offering organizational/biographical detail, they meet both WP:RS and WP:GNG standards. AxiomGaming (talk) 23:10, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Is AxiomGaming the subject of the article? Is that disclosed in this discussion? — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 06:33, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, AxiomGaming is the subject of the article. Full disclosure: I have a declared conflict of interest regarding the Wikipedia article Blake Welsh, as noted on my profile. This will be my last comment on this AfD. AxiomGaming (talk) 07:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: See source assessment table. I looked through the sources and I did not find sources that cover the subject directly and in detail for significant coverage. — 🌊PacificDepths (talk) 06:47, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source assessment table prepared by User:PacificDepths
Source	Independent?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
https://techcrunch.com/2015/06/30/vulnerability-in-security-service-lifelock-could-have-exposed-logins-and-passwords/ Techcrunch]		short mention of subject: "Taylor, aka Cosmo The God, is chief information security officer of Cinder, and Welsh is a student at Anne Arundel Community College in Maryland. They have previously discovered basic but dangerous vulnerabilities at Paypal, Charter, and Verizon. Taylor wrote about the exploit for his blog."	✘ No
The Register		Mentions the subject, but does not describe subject directly and in detail. "Cinder researchers Eric Taylor and Blake Welsh say the vulnerabilities were simple to exploit up until a patch was dropped."	✘ No
Vice		Two facts: Welsh found the bug, and Welsh works at Cinder	✘ No
Yahoo News		Facts here about subject: Welsh found this bug and found similar bugs	✘ No
Buzzfeed		Fact about bug discovery and Welsh's educational affiliation	✘ No
Softpedia		Two sentences about Welsh as discoverer of this class of bugs. No direct and in-depth coverage of Welsh.	✘ No
PayPal	Paypal paid Welsh. Not independent.	Mentioned but no detail	✘ No
AT&T	AT&T paid Welsh. Not independent.	Mentioned but no detail	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Sarah Walker (music broadcaster)

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Notability not established despite a notability tag having been put in place three months ago. Jw93d59 (talk) 15:00, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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This article was almost deleted through PROD. Why did you remove the tag at the last minute and bring it to WP:AFD? It's just unusual behavior. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:03, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Weak keep difficult to find independent sources as very common name and works for the BBC, but I think she has received enough third party coverage for her work to pass WP:GNG [33][34]
Leaning towards Delete. There are very few sources outside promotional bits from her employer, the BBC, discussing her. The sources in the above comment are [35] not actually about Walker and barely discuss her and [36] a semi-promotional blog from the BSO where she seems to have/had a position. Other than that the best I can find is an editorial from The Guardian [37] and an interview in a BBC magazine [38]. There isn't really a target for a merge either as her Radio 3 show doesn't have an article. Vladimir.copic (talk) 01:35, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Sunny Kumar Singh

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Subject does not appear to meet WP:GNG, with a lack of significant coverage in independent sources. Cordless Larry (talk) 07:53, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Sunny Kumar Singh is a senior IAS officer, currently serving as District Magistrate of New Delhi, a very important administrative post in India’s capital. He has also served as Delhi’s Excise Commissioner during a period of high public and political scrutiny. His receipt of the Prime Minister’s Award for Excellence in Public Administration (2023) and the Arunachal Pradesh State Gold Medal (2022) further demonstrates national recognition of his work. Coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources such as The Hindu, New Indian Express, and Times of India provides the required significant discussion required under the General Notability Guidelines. This combination of high-profile roles, national awards, and sufficient press coverage makes him clearly notable as a public official. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yennavo (talk • contribs) 09:10, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Which of those sources discusses Singh in any depth? Cordless Larry (talk) 13:23, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, I checked the sources for the awards, and they weren't awarded to him personally but to the district of Changlang. Cordless Larry (talk) 13:40, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While the Prime Minister’s Award for Excellence in Public Administration is technically given in the name of a district, it is awarded at the same time to the District Magistrate or Deputy Commissioner, who is in charge of the administration. This is why the Government of India records it on the officer’s official record sheet, rather than just at the district level. The Arunachal Pradesh State Gold Medal works similarly, acknowledging both the district administration and the officer leading it. Therefore, the awards go to Mr. Singh as the head of the district administration. Multiple reliable sources have reported this information. I can provide government references and archived copies of the award citations, if needed, to explain the nature of the conferment. Archivelens (talk) 14:37, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Wikipedia user @Yennavo’s view that Mr. Singh’s role as District Magistrate of New Delhi is important due to the administrative and political weight of this position. His time as Excise Commissioner occurred during a time of intense public attention and received coverage from several national media outlets.

As mentioned earlier, the awards are formally given to the district, but they are also logged in the officer’s service profile by the Government of India. This shows that they acknowledge the officer’s leadership as well as the district’s administration.

These key roles, national and state level awards, and ongoing coverage in trustworthy independent sources meet the criteria under WP:GNG for significant coverage and under WP:NPOL for public officials. Archivelens (talk) 14:41, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I'll ask you the same question as I asked Yennavo: which of the sources provides substantial coverage about Singh (as opposed to just mentioning him or quoting him)? Cordless Larry (talk) 16:15, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the question. The following sources provide substantial coverage of Singh.

[Source 1] : full length article discussing Singh’s career, contributions, and background.

[Source 2]: specifies multiple features focusing on his work and impact.

Other sources such as [3] [4] [5] [6] mention him and are included for additional context. Archivelens (talk) 10:47, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
They're both pretty promotional and I doubt they'd qualify as reliable sources for Wikipedia's purposes. Cordless Larry (talk) 21:50, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for raising this. From what I can see, the Times of India piece and the Hindu article both go beyond just a passing mention. They include biographical details and career milestones that count as real coverage rather than just quotes. The Hindu article in particular gives more local context to his work. I’ve also added a couple of other sources that expand on his role. It would be great if other editors could also take a look and share their thoughts, so we can make sure the article is built on solid references. Archivelens (talk) 16:02, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Note: I've just realised that this article was likely written by ChatGPT (see the tracking code at the end of the URL in reference 7 here). Cordless Larry (talk) 14:19, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Only one good source, which isn’t enough for WP:GNG. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 12:00, 23 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: In India, hundreds of people become IAS officers, and after that a few news reports are published about them, which is routine coverage by media organizations. This does not establish notability of the subject. In the present article as well, the sources are nothing more than routine coverage. Fails WP:GNG. Baqi:) (talk) 14:47, 24 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Multiple independent reliable sources, including The Hindu and Times of India, provide significant coverage beyond trivial mentions. Archivelens (talk) 16:04, 25 August 2025 (UTC)— Archivelens (talk • contribs) is blocked for having used sockpuppets in this debate. [reply]
Archivelens, please link the Times of India source here. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 16:43, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The Times of India article does mention him, but only briefly as part of a larger bureaucratic reshuffle. This isn’t unusual though, indian media rarely goes deep into the actual work of IAS officers and tends to focus more on the drama and noise around politicians instead. While that single reference alone may not be strong enough to establish notability, it does show that he was significant enough to be included in coverage by one of India’s leading national newspapers. When this is read alongside more detailed reporting, such as in The Hindu and other sources that highlight his responsibilities and role, the subject’s importance becomes much clearer. The TOI piece works best as a supporting citation that adds weight to the overall picture of his prominence. Archivelens (talk) 17:06, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I see only one line - "Jha has been replaced by 2018-batch IAS officer Sunny Kumar." This is not WP:SIGCOV, so stop wasting everyone’s time. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 18:18, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The Individual is posted as District Magistrate of National Capital (New Delhi) - Where all major establishments - The President's enclave, PM Residence, Parliament, Supreme Court are present. People outside of India might not consider this notable, however, the post holds enormous significance - much greater than entire wikipedia organisation - I believe. Yashvardhan7776 (talk) 07:15, 26 August 2025 (UTC) — Yashvardhan7776 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Keep: This is clearly not a case of a minor figure. The person holds a senior position of authority that directly affects public life, and that alone makes the role notable. On top of that, there is already coverage in respected national publications. These aren’t just brief mentions but full articles that discuss responsibilities and decisions. Given the combination of reliable sourcing and the importance of the position, it’s clear this subject deserves to stay. Leaden Ghoul (talk) 16:53, 25 August 2025 (UTC) — Leaden Ghoul (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. — Leaden Ghoul (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Archivelens (talk · contribs). Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 03:50, 26 August 2025 (UTC) [reply]
Keep: Subject meets WP:GNG with reliable, independent sources covering his administrative work and policy contributions beyond routine announcements. Both digital and regular newspaper/media mentions.Cartilager (talk) 07:44, 28 August 2025 (UTC) — Cartilager (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
As I've asked other contributors here, Cartilager, could you identify the independent sources that provide significant coverage? Cordless Larry (talk) 08:24, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Here's what I can find. 1 2 3. I find this officer to be important in the Indian administrative context. Talking about significant coverage, I can see how there is not that much information online, so I think you are right to question his page. Cartilager (talk) 09:53, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Indian Express is the only piece of WP:GNG-qualifying coverage I can see. The Hindu is close, but it's mostly not about him, it's about the work of his district that quotes him incidentally to his official role. The rest is not close. Dclemens1971 (talk) 13:37, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Even that first source is mostly just quotes from him, as well. Cordless Larry (talk) 16:10, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Muhammad Muslehuddin Siddiqui

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I did a simple Google search on this person and only found a few fan-promoted websites. The article cites nine references: sources 1 and 7 are unreliable, user-generated fandom sites; 8 and 9 are death notices about someone else, with no direct relevance; and 5 and 6 are not references at all. The only primary source (Ahmad Noori) is used twice, but it is also unverifiable. No secondary sources are present to demonstrate the significance of this person as a religious figure per Wikipedia guidelines. Fails WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Delete.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 08:17, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: The nomination's rationale is flawed. A simple Google search does not determine notability, especially for a historically significant figure like Muhammad Muslehuddin Siddiqui, a prominent Barelvi scholar and Sufi in India and Pakistan.

Multiple reliable secondary sources, including scholarly Islamic websites and books, document his influence as a qari, preacher, and founder of Madrasa Anwar-ul-Islam. His authored works, like Samajiyaat, further establish notability under WP:AUTHOR.

Sources 1 and 7 are not user-generated but reputable Islamic platforms; 8 and 9 are mischaracterized, as they provide context on his Barelvi contributions. Siddiqui’s cultural and religious impact in Sufism meets WP:GNG and WP:BIO. Zuck28 (talk) 14:07, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Zuck28: Do you have any idea what secondary sources are? If you do, please share at least one. The number 1 source is https://www.thesunniway.com and number 7 is https://alahazrat.net . How did you reach the conclusion that these are reputable historical websites? What is their editorial methodology? Their very names suggest that they are fandom-style blogs run by specific groups. According to WP:SELFSOURCE and WP:USERGENERATED, such fansites are generally not acceptable as sources. The only unverifiable primary source is (Ahmad Noori). According to WP:PSTS, Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability and avoid novel interpretations of primary sources. All analyses and interpretive or synthetic claims about primary sources must be referenced to a secondary or tertiary source and must not be an original analysis of the primary-source material by Wikipedia editors. So, in that case, we have no secondary scholarly sources to verify the topic's notability.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 17:23, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: I have found a few sources that we can consider. Since this is not a BLP, I think we can allow for a bit more flexibility here. A detailed biography of the subject is available in the book Anwār-e-‘Ulamā-e-Ahl-e-Sunnat, Sindh (pp. 862–865). Another biography has been written by Shah Turab-ul-Haq, which can be accessed here. There is also an article about the subject on Scholar.pk. In addition, we can, in good faith, assume that there are further references available under WP:OFFLINE. Baqi:) (talk) 20:33, 25 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:14, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

~~Weak~~ Keep per Baqi. I would trust Anwaar Ulama-e-Ahle Sunnat and also that Tazkira-e-Qari Muslehuddin seems academic resource as a whole about the subject. Also that there seems an impact of the subject beyond religious scholarship. We have always had the challenges of WP:SYSTEMICBIAS, and I such I believe we can have this article. Even though it needs a good revamp but AfD is not cleanup. _Regards,Aafi ^(talk) 18:34, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, I believe this academic thesis (MPhil) makes me shift to keep :) _Regards,Aafi ^(talk) 18:36, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Tanzeem Ul Firdous

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Despite being tagged for notability and COI since 2022, the current version of this article still provides no justification for its inclusion in Wikipedia. The references are primarily user-generated or self-published promotional websites. There is not a single reliable secondary or academic source demonstrating why the subject is notable as a researcher, professor, or author. The article fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:PROF. Deletion preferred.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 07:55, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep: I have found some references, including book reviews about the subject, and also a couple of articles on Google Scholar. In addition, I came across some general references which I believe are sufficient for WP:PROF and WP:NAUTHOR. The rest of the articles need some cleanup and copy-editing, which I will do once I get free, as per WP:ATD. Thanks. Baqi:) (talk) 15:53, 27 August 2025 (UTC) Blocked sock. Jeraxmoira🐉 (talk) 05:06, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
@Jannatulbaqi: I have reviewed all the sources you mentioned and found nothing that establishes the subject’s notability. Here is the breakdown of your references:

1, It’s an article about Urdu poetry; nothing is relevant to the article.
2, These are some routine book reviews. They are not published in any academic publications; instead, they are advertisements published in news media. Plus, there is nothing that establishes the subject’s notability.
3 This is a user-generated file-sharing website. What is the relation of this unreliable website to the article’s notability?
4, The article is about Urdu Ghazal in Sindh.
5 A catalogue of a book about Ghalib.

This article falls under Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons, which states that it must be written with the greatest care and attention to verifiability, neutrality, and the avoidance of original research. We must be very firm about the use of high-quality, reliable sources. The sources you mentioned do not meet WP:NBASIC, which requires that people are presumed notable only if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.–𝐎𝐰𝐚𝐢𝐬 𝐀𝐥 𝐐𝐚𝐫𝐧𝐢 ʕʘ̅͜ʘ̅ʔ 17:34, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Naila Nayem

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No notable works to be mentioned in significant independent reliable source. Rht bd (talk) 20:36, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: নায়লা নাঈম is the subject's native name so searching might be more successful that way.

Wow-wee and a half, what a train wreck of an article/AfD history. I will try and summarize the useful bits of the past AfDs so that we don't need to flip between 5 different pages.

The bn wiki afd predates the creation of this article in en and might be of use to editors who can read it.
Original (8 Feb 2015): First EN AfD brought by Ibrahim Husain Meraj closes as No Consensus after Zayeem says they can see enough articles to meet WP:GNG but doesn't provide any of them.
2nd nomination (28 Feb 2015): Ibrahim Husain Meraj starts another AfD six days after the previous one closes, procedurally speedy kept (after 3 weeks)
3rd nomination (19 Oct 2015): SwisterTwister starts third AfD. Numerous editors claim notability and link to Google search results. Panyd first advances a claim of WP:NENT which Ibrahim Husain Meraj rebuts with no evidence on either side. Closes as keep.
4th nomination (8 Dec 2017): Mar11 starts the fourth AfD claiming that her participation in Run Out (film) is not enough to be notable and that she has no other claims. Vinegarymass911 and Ammarpad argue keep providing [39], [40], [41] and other links that have since 404ed. The rest of the AfD got distracted by discussion about the bn wiki version and eventually closed as No Consensus.

Moritoriko (talk) 00:37, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for doing this, very helpful!

Further comment - I've just done some work on the article, adding some sources and addressing some issues (undated sources, use of forename in article) SDGB1217 (talk) 20:03, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep- based on the sources I referred to in the last AFD. Notability is not temporary.Vinegarymass911 (talk) 11:09, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Benjamin Heywood (entrepreneur)

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Lacking sufficient coverage to establish notability. Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO - The9Man ^Talk 10:10, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Neutral comment There is an article at Benjamin Heywood about an older and notable subject and there is no concern I see regarding article title evasion or hijacking, and this is properly disambiguated. Nathannah • 📮 15:22, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't seen any concerns raised about that. What made you think there might be an issue? - The9Man ^Talk 07:28, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It's very common for promotional editors who want to brute force their articles here to use different titles with parentheticals to do so (especially after being salted); just commenting that this is not the case here for those on AfD so they know in advance and this is just a regular BLP. Nathannah • 📮 19:44, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Added a little more detail in personal life includign citations that may help with that PaulWicks (talk) 19:59, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Thanks, I was fuzzy on AFD procedures so apologies for earlier confusion. I've now added references where these were needed; not all are perfect, e.g. Health 2.0 doesn't archive its talks so the best I can do is PLM's own blog. I've fleshed out the references from the New York Times. In terms of notability, I suppose the pitch I'd make would be:

1.) Significant coverage in reliable sources; multiple features in the New York Times & NYT Magazine interview Heywood about his work and family, subject of a documentary premiered at Sundance, subject of a book by a pulitzer prize winning author

2.) Significant award: Within the space of ALS research and advocacy, the Humanitarian award is the highest honour a non-medic can receive. (https://www.als.net/news/jamie-and-benjamin-heywood-receive-humanitarian-award/ / https://www.als.org/blog/hopeful-highlights-recent-als-mnd-symposium) - the International Alliance represents the many global ALS non profits around the world - it's even rarer for the award to go to someone who is not a medical professional.

3.) Founder of a significant company in the health space (PatientsLikeMe) that has been influential in multiple spheres PaulWicks (talk) 08:18, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Grant Ellis

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Probably fails WP:NBASKETBALL and WP:SPORTSBASIC. Not just that, even after appearing in The Bachelorette (American TV series) season 21 and then becoming the main character of The Bachelor (American TV series) season 29, still fails WP:BIOSPECIAL and WP:NBASIC. If he fails NBASIC and SPORTSBASIC, then he also fails WP:GNG. Thus, per WP:BIO1E if WP:BLP1E doesn't apply, should be redirected to The Bachelor (American TV series) season 29. George Ho (talk) 06:54, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. Aguirre, Priscilla (2024-03-27). "ABC casts 3 men from Texas for new season of 'The Bachelorette'". San Antonio Express-News. Archived from the original on 2025-01-26. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis is a 30-year-old day trader from Houston. ABC called Ellis a "catch" as his smile lights up every room he walks into and is followed by his positive attitude. ABC said Ellis is a "mama's boy who loves poetry and reading, and says he's here to find the love of his life." He's a former pro basketball player who's passionate about his new career as a day trader. ... Fun facts: He plans to visit every country in his lifetime. He is an avid salsa dancer. He wishes he could live in the year 3000 to see what technology is like."
2. Shey, Brittanie (2024-06-05). "Meet the Texans searching for love on 'The Bachelorette'". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2024-09-05. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis is also from Houston, where he works as a day trader. Another self-described mama's boy, the 30-year-old former pro basketball player loves poetry and reading, salsa dancing and the Lakers. Ellis has big plans for the future: one of his goals is to travel to every country, and he says he'd like to live to the year 3000 just to see what technology is like."
3. Wallace, Amanda (2024-07-09). "NJ natives Jenn Tran and Grant Ellis are looking for love on 'The Bachelorette'". North Jersey Media Group. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Ellis was born in Newark and graduated from Hudson Catholic Regional High School in Jersey City. He was the first Division 1 signee from his high school and went on to play basketball at Iona University in New York. He ended up transferring, graduating from Alberta Magnus College in Connecticut and going on to play professional basketball overseas until an injury ended his career. Ellis, 30, lives in Houston and works as a day trader. ... Outside of work, he enjoys watching the Lakers, bowling and singing at karaoke. He is also an avid salsa dancer. He plans to visit every country in his lifetime and wishes he could live to see what technology is like in the year 3000."
4. Braxton, Greg (2024-08-12). "'The Bachelor' casts Grant Ellis as its next star, the second Black lead in show's history". Los Angeles Times. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis’ romantic journey on the current season of “The Bachelorette” did not have a happy ending. But instead of nursing a broken heart, he’s getting a fresh start and a breakthrough role as the next star of “The Bachelor.” The self-proclaimed mama’s boy and former pro basketball player who now works as a day trader will become only the second Black lead of the series, which launched in 2002. The news followed Monday’s episode of “The Bachelorette,” after Ellis was eliminated from the group of suitors courting star Jenn Tran."
5. Robinson, KiMi (2024-08-12). "Who is Grant Ellis? What to know about the next 'Bachelor' from Jenn Tran's season". USA Today. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Grant Ellis, a 30-year-old day trader living in Houston, was announced as the Season 29 "Bachelor" lead following his elimination during the rose ceremony on Monday's episode of "The Bachelorette." Grant will be the second Black man to lead "The Bachelor" since the show first premiered in 2002. ... In his introductory package, Grant said he's from New Jersey and has played basketball since he was 8. After playing for Iona University and Albertus Magnus College, he took his talents overseas. However, an unspecified injury ended his career."
6. Iannella, Lilli (2025-01-10). "Former Connecticut college basketball player to star on the upcoming season of 'The Bachelor'". CT Insider. Archived from the original on 2025-06-30. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Ellis is a former basketball player, his bio states, and his experience includes playing as a guard at Albertus Magnus College in New Haven. Ellis played basketball at Iona University and Southern University before he transferred to Albertus Magnus in spring 2016, according to his player bio on Albertus Magnus College. During his 2016-17 basketball season, Ellis was named one of the best players in Albertus Magnus' conference, the Great Northwest Athletic Conference (GNAC), according to his player bio from Albertus Magnus College. Mitch Oliver, who has been the head men's basketball coach at Albertus Magnus College for almost 30 years, coached Ellis during his time playing at the college."
7. Hooks, Kalan (2025-03-24). "How basketball shaped Grant Ellis -- and led him to 'The Bachelor'". ESPN. Archived from the original on 2025-08-24. Retrieved 2025-08-24.
  The article notes: "Basketball paid for Ellis' education and carried him through an extensive career that included playing for top high school programs, Division I in college and professionally overseas. But his singular focus on the game didn't come without sacrifice. ... Ellis grew up in Newark, New Jersey, where he discovered his love for basketball. His father, Robert Ellis, introduced him to the game at 8 years old. ... Ellis spent two seasons at Iona, earning a trip to the 2013 NCAA tournament, where the then-15 seed Gaels fell to the No. 2 seed Ohio State Buckeyes in the second round of the West Regional."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Grant Ellis to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The sources above are ordered chronologically and show that Grant Ellis received sustained coverage between for over a year between March 2024 and March 2025. The strongest source is the ESPN article Hooks 2025, which is an extensive profile about him. WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E are not applicable because Ellis received coverage for being a contestant on season 21 of The Bachelorette and the star of season 29 of The Bachelor. Cunard (talk) 09:46, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Ludo Campbell-Reid

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There seems enough questioning of his notability here, vs. BIO puffery, to at least justify opening the discussion through AfD. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:06, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"sheer wankery of the details"

Oh, antipodeans, we poms do love you. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:07, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails WP:PROMO. Remove the puffery and there's negligible remaining encyclopedic content. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 02:14, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Vanity puff piece. Anxioustoavoid (talk) 17:55, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: He's had significant coverage from both of Stuff and the NZ Herald, which are NZ's two main news publications. Voting keep as he appears to just pass GNG. I've added refs and removed some of the puffery/promo, but probably could do with some further edits. Nil🥝 02:51, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, concur that the coverage in major NZ publications over a period of many years is sufficient for this guy to meet GNG, if there are concerns about the article being promotional etc they can be pretty easily handled without recourse to deletion. Devonian Wombat (talk) 12:42, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV.4meter4 (talk) 21:43, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep as I think there is enough there for WP:GNG, barely. However I agree with DerbyCountyinNZ that the article needs a WP:PROMO cleanup. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 03:13, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Hoffman (technology executive)

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Pure promotional puff piece, likely generated by AI. The only good source here is an interview, which does not contribute to notability. Unfortunately, we have no room for any more brochures. MediaKyle (talk) 10:17, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The subject meets WP:GNG/WP:BIO with substantial independent coverage over decades, not just interviews: Wired (Feb 1997) on PrivNet/PGP; Forbes (July 1999) “The E-Gang”; Los Angeles Times (Apr 10, 2001) and Adweek (Apr 9, 2001) on eMusic’s sale to UMG (~$23–25m); Reuters (Sept 14, 2016) and Light Reading (Sept 14, 2016) on Amdocs’ acquisition of Vindicia. That is secondary, non-promotional sourcing across multiple career phases (so not WP:BIO1E). Any puffery is a cleanup Qrivas (talk) 10:33, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment: This is likely related to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Vindicia. -- MediaKyle (talk) 01:04, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: The Forbes source seems to be okay (apparently staff-written), although it is part of a listicle. But none of the other sources have independent non-trivial coverage. Many of these sources don't even mention Hoffman. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 04:45, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I find only mentions and short quotes. I also note that this is the only article created by Qrivas who has all of 39 edits but seems quite comfortable with Wikipedia policies like "(so not WP:BIO1E)". This has all of the qualities of a WP:PAID. Lamona (talk) 02:43, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dietmar Kuttelwascher

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Fails WP:Athlete LegalSmeagolian (talk) 00:40, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:GNG [42][43][44] – Ike Lek (talk) 04:30, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
The first source looks good to me, while second source is from the club Kuttelwascher competed for and as such isn't independent. I cannot view the third source so I have no opinion on it. Let'srun (talk) 15:43, 19 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The sources provided by Ike Lek are sufficient to keep the article for an Olympic athlete. I would believe there are additional sources in Austrian news archives. --Enos733 (talk) 16:06, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – Per Ike Lek sources. Svartner (talk) 04:46, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails WP:SPORTSBASIC. The first source provided by Ike Lek is independent. The other two are not. Both are published by the club Ruderverein Ister [de] where the subject was a rower.4meter4 (talk) 18:56, 24 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As the analysis from 4meter4 shows, this subject lacks the needed independent WP:SIGCOV with which to meet the WP:GNG. In addition, the only reference currently in the article is a database. Let'srun (talk) 22:22, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Austria at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Rowing per WP:ATD - I don't see any reason to delete. Ingratis (talk) 09:17, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Austria at the 1992 Summer Olympics#Rowing per WP:ATD, WP:BLAR and WP:CHEAP. Servite et contribuere (talk) 03:52, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Found a little more here: [45] – Ike Lek (talk) 04:30, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Shusmita Anis

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No significant coverage in reliable independent source. Rht bd (talk) 15:35, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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LaSheena Weekly

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The mother of FBG Duck and FBG Brick who died in shootings. Unexpectedly she spoke out against gun violence after that. The article claims however that she "has become a prominent voice calling for peace in Chicago and has organized community initiatives". This article is one that is used but as far as I can tell, Octavia Mitchell is the organizer of the group, not her. I would not be opposed to a redirect to her son's page as an AFD. Moritoriko (talk) 08:09, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per the nominator, and it fails WP:GNG. Lack of significant coverage. CresiaBilli (talk) 11:43, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

* Keep, The nomination is based on a misunderstanding of notability and a detailed look at the sources. The subject has received years of significant, sustained, and in-depth coverage from a wide variety of reliable, independent news outlets, making this one of the clearer examples of WP:GNG being met from 2020 to present. This article goes  past any concerns of being a temporary story (WP:NOTNEWS) or a person notable for only one event (WP:BLP1E). The evidence shows a clear way from being the mother of a victim to becoming a notable public figure in her own right.

For years, LaSheena Weekly has been a central voice in Chicago's conversation about gun violence. This isn't just a single quote in one article; it is a consistent pattern of media seeking her out as a subject.
* The Trace: Published an entire investigative feature centered on her story and her fight for accountability. * Chicago Tribune: Has covered her extensively, from her initial pleas for peace to her involvement with the "Warrior Moms" activist group and their community events.
Her calls for peace were major stories on their own, covered by NBC Chicago and Fox 32 Chicago. Outlets like Revolt.tv, HotNewHipHop, and XXL Mag also report on her activism, such as her public request to meet with Lil Durk. This alone is sufficient for notability. She is the lead plaintiff in a massive, widely-publicized wrongful death lawsuit against some of the biggest names and corporations in the music industry. Covered by WBEZ (NPR), ABC7, and the Chicago Sun-Times. A major story in TMZ. And also reported by XXL Mag and multiple articles in HotNewHipHop. Reliable sources report on her personal life and choices, proving she is a newsworthy individual beyond her activism or the lawsuit. Her own actions generate headlines. XXL Mag reported on a domestic incident that resulted in her being struck by a car. This story is entirely about her personal life. HotNewHipHop covered her decision to start an OnlyFans account, treating it as a newsworthy event in the hip-hop world.
She has generated her own headlines for calling out other artists, as documented by HotNewHipHop. The widespread interest is further evidenced by long-form interviews on major platforms like VladTV and No Jumper.

She is a well-documented public advocate, the central figure in a major national lawsuit, and a personality whose own life is considered newsworthy. The notability criteria are met. MeVonFans (talk) 11:57, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The sources linked by User:MeVonFans shows that there is WP:GNG and WP:SUSTAINED.

Chicago Tribune, a few paragraphs dedicated to her, definitely significant coverage

The Trace, significant coverage

HNHH, about her

XXL Mag, about her

Revolt, about her

HNHH about her

And essentially all the sources linked by MeVonFans, except the VladTV playlist since that's an interview. These sources definitely show significant and sustained coverage, and that she has become a significant anti-gun violence advocate. Quick note: "FBG Mama" or other similar terms finds more results, which may be why a WP:BEFORE lacked on it. And if anyone thinks it may be a case of WP:INHERITED or WP:BLP1E, I disagree. She became notable following his death for her anti-gun violence awareness and advocacy, and has sustained coverage from 2020 until now. jolielover♥talk 15:54, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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I think a large amount of this coverage is really coverage of FBG Duck and thus does not contribute to her own notability per WP:NOTINHERITED. This is further proved by all of the articles needing to define her and her actions in relation to FBG Duck. I will say that the second HNHH source about her onlyfans is temporally removed from Duck's death but it still refers to her as his mother, but regardless I don't think that is significant coverage!! Moritoriko (talk) 00:37, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Dian Rana

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:ENT, also borderline self promotion or COI. Ckfasdf (talk) 15:13, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note that the article on the same subject was speedy-deleted on id.wiki under A7 and salted due to multiple recreation. Ckfasdf (talk) 21:57, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And, note that the article's creator has an editing history focused solely on this article, which raises a COI concern. Also, the article was previously rejected multiple times during the AfC process before the creator eventually published it himself. Ckfasdf (talk) 08:00, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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The subject meets the general notability guideline (WP:GNG) through multiple reliable, independent sources with significant coverage, including Liputan6, Tempo, Merdeka, TVOne, and international publication Rest of World. These are not trivial mentions but substantial profiles covering the subject's public engagement and role in documenting the development of Indonesia's new capital.

While the article may have been initially drafted with assistance, it has since been entirely rewritten and supported with verifiable sources. It is not promotional in tone and has been reviewed carefully for neutrality.

Therefore, the article meets Wikipedia's inclusion criteria and should be kept. Nusantarakita (talk) 16:12, 16 August 2025 (UTC)— Nusantarakita (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

Delete per nom, COI, multiple deletion on idwiki. Contributor(s) also suspected abusing multiple accounts. 🅷🅴🅽🆁🅸 ^{(Let's talk)} ✉ 09:54, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Passes WP:SIGCOV based on the sources present in the article. I'm seeing multiple by-lined publications in mainstream Indonesian media. There doesn't appear to a valid claim here that GNG isn't met. COI editing is concerning but that has no impact on notability.4meter4 (talk) 15:56, 30 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Failed WP:NYOUTUBE. Fhmsyhd014a (talk) 12:14, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Dian Rana's article has been deleted on Indonesian Wikipedia and several of its authors have been blocked on the grounds of abusing several accounts 𝄃𝄃𝄂Badak𝄂𝄀𝄁𝄃 🕭 13:58, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per Badak PinkDash (talk) 14:17, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and WP:COI. Apri DAV (talk) 14:20, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per Badak ⭑Sophia𓂃 .🖊 16:08, 1 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Puschmann

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Lack of notability. Sabirkir (talk) 07:53, 16 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: As per nom. Despite having a decent amount of citations as per Google Scholar, (asaik) he has not made any foundational or major pedagocial publications. Neither does he hold any elevated academic positions which would make hime notable under the SNG ACADEMIC. There is also no secondary coverage of his person from outside of academia, so general noatbility is not cleared either. Pragmatic Puffin (talk) 12:25, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Weak-keep. He is the top editor of a significant book series in his field published by Springer Publishing. While it doesn't exactly fit criteria 8 of WP:NACADEMIC; I do think the series is equivalent to editing a top journal in his field. Under the spirit of criteria 8 I would say he does meet NACADEMIC. Best.4meter4 (talk) 16:27, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak delete. His citation record appears prima facie good enough for WP:PROF#C1 but a closer look reveals verifiability problems with our article. It calls him a professor at the University of Zurich and at the University of the Fraser Valley. But the source cited for this is a web page at Zurich [46] that lists him under "postdocs / senior researchers", not professors. That page does indeed say "Professor at the University of the Fraser Valley Vancouver Canada" (as do several other bios listed as sources) but I can find nothing on the ufv.ca web site that suggests that he is a professor there and he is not listed in the university directory [47]. I did find another of those probably-self-written bios listing his UFV professorship in the past tense (starting in 2022) and stating that he is at Stanford since 2023 [48], but although I can find announcements of the launch of his center there I cannot find evidence of its continued existence. A web page naming him at a different Stanford center [49] has a link to a Stanford directory page that is now a 404. WP:PROF notability isn't based on independent sourcing but we still need our content to be based on sources that are reliable (a different thing than independence) and I'm uncomfortable having an article when we can't even verify who is the subject's employer. The difficulty of verifying these positions in combination with the usual need for us to be accurate in what we say about our subjects suggests that we should be strict about our usual source reliability standards for BLPs, but that doesn't leave much for us to say. —David Eppstein (talk) 08:02, 2 September 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yangwei Linghua

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This article doesn's have enough significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources which is needed to show notability under WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. 🌟 𝒯𝐻𝐸 𝐵𝒪𝒮𝒮! 21:34, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, nearly all coverage of the subject is in Chinese. She's the lead singer for Phoenix Legend, which is a very popular musical duo in China and has been for over twenty years now. You can read an interview here that talks about them and their career, and there's a few articles on Sina that talks about them as well. As for Linghua herself, searching her name in Chinese pulls up hundreds of articles

I will also try to do some work on the article when I get the chance. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 22:58, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding on to this, Linghua was a main competitor on Riding the Wind 2025 [zh] (the sixth season of a popular music competition show on Mango TV) And while not the most reliable source, Baidu Baike has a nice list of every single released by Linghua as a solo artist, which you can find sources for their existance elsewhere. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 03:41, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, which says:
People are presumed notable if they have received significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other, and independent of the subject.
- If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability; trivial coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not usually sufficient to establish notability.
Sources
1. The sources found by Microplastic Consumer (talk · contribs). Thank you!
2. Fan, Wenting 范文婷 (2015-11-14). "玲花新歌太洗脑！1岁女儿都会唱了" [Linghua's new song is so catchy! Even her 1-year-old daughter can sing it] (in Chinese). Phoenix Television. Archived from the original on 2025-08-17. Retrieved 2025-08-17.
  The article notes: "凤凰传奇组合的杨魏玲花和曾毅，两人“分道扬镳”各寻搭档，并同时出了新歌。尤其，玲花的新歌《出去玩》由张惠妹的御用创作人阿怪监制，与歌手曹格、新秀SNH48李艺彤合作，歌曲十分洗脑，玲花称连她一岁四个月的女儿都会唱了！ ... 没了曾毅的伴唱，玲花选择强强联合，与创作型歌手曹格结成新搭档，并与新秀SNH48李艺彤一起。在侗寨采风过程中，收获快乐和笑声，甚至产生再来旅行玩耍的想法，于是创作新歌《出去玩》，该歌旋律明快，歌词简单明了直中人心，"
  From Google Translate: "Phoenix Legend's Yang Wei Linghua and Zeng Yi have parted ways, each pursuing their own partners and releasing new music. Linghua's new song, "Go Out and Play," is especially catchy, produced by A-Mei's regular songwriter, Aguai, and features singer Gary Chaw and rising star Li Yitong from SNH48. Linghua claims even her one-year-four-month-old daughter can sing it! ... Without Zeng Yi's backing vocals, Linghua chose to join forces, forming a new partnership with singer-songwriter Gary Cao and rising star Li Yitong from SNH48. The field trip to the Dong village brought joy and laughter, and even inspired her to travel and play again. This led to the creation of a new song, "Go Out and Play." The song boasts a bright melody and simple, clear lyrics that hit home."
3. Li, Hsin-tung 李鋅銅 (2014-06-25). "力挺陸大媽鳳凰傳奇嗆美媒廣場舞被批喧鬧玲花指惹火大媽後果嚴重" [Standing up for Chinese 'dama': Phoenix Legend fires back at U.S. media. Square dancing criticized as noisy, Linghua warns that angering the 'dama' has serious consequences]. China Times (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2025-08-17. Retrieved 2025-08-17.
  The article notes: "「鳳凰傳奇」主唱玲花覺得自己是「躺著也中槍」，超級不爽，於是在22日發布的微博中調侃《華爾街日報》，並力挺中國大媽。... 她還追溯八國聯軍的歷史，說美國大兵曾經在中國北京搶東西，到現在東西還沒還呢，這不僅僅是擾民行為， ... 「鳳凰傳奇」是大陸知名的男女二人音樂組合，成員包括女聲主唱楊魏玲花和男聲和聲、說唱曾毅。被認為是2005年後大陸較具影響力的歌手組合之一，出道以來共發行5張原創專輯。"
  From Google Translate: "Phoenix Legend lead singer Ling Hua felt incredibly upset, feeling like she was being "shot in the face even when lying down." She mocked the Wall Street Journal in a Weibo post on the 22nd and offered her support for the Chinese dama. ... She also traced the history of the Eight-Nation Alliance, saying that American soldiers once looted items in Beijing, China, and still haven't returned them. This isn't just a nuisance. ... Phoenix Legend is a well-known mainland Chinese duo, consisting of lead vocalist Yang Wei Linghua and backing vocalist and rapper Zeng Yi. Considered one of the most influential singing groups in mainland China since 2005, they have released five original albums since their debut."
4. Peng, Lizhao 彭立昭 (2012-04-29). "杨魏玲花"凤凰传奇"的爱情传奇" [The Romantic Story of Yangwei Linghua from Phoenix Legend]. People [zh] (in Chinese). Archived from the original on 2025-08-17. Retrieved 2025-08-17.
  The article notes: "杨魏玲花是著名歌唱组合“凤凰传奇”的主唱，来自大草原的她声音高亢激昂，穿透力极强，在内地歌坛掀起了一轮又一轮的狂潮。玲花的丈夫徐明朝是音乐主编、著名乐评家和词曲作家，两人从相识的第一天起，就结下了不解之缘，2011年3月，他们携手走入婚姻殿堂。他们的爱情就像玲花在歌里唱的那样：... 就在玲花对进军春晚充满了希望时，一件意想不到的事情发生了：有人爆料《月亮之上》涉嫌抄袭英国歌曲《All Rise》……玲花觉得很委屈，她知道这是一首明明白白的原创歌曲，怎么就成了抄袭作品呢？为了弄清楚事情真相，春晚专家组对《月亮之上》与《AllRise》进行了全方位的鉴定，最终认为并不构成抄袭。"
  From Google Translate: "Yang Wei Linghua is the lead singer of the renowned singing group "Phoenix Legend." Hailing from the prairie, her voice is soaring, passionate, and penetrating, creating waves of sensations on the mainland music scene. Linghua's husband, Xu Mingchao, is a music editor, renowned critic, and songwriter. From the first day they met, they bonded, marrying in March 2011. Their love is just like what Linghua sings about in her song: ... Just when Linghua was full of hope for a spot on the Spring Festival Gala, something unexpected happened: someone reported that "Above the Moon" was suspected of plagiarizing the British song "All Rise." Linghua felt deeply wronged. She knew it was a clearly original song, so how could it be considered a copy? To clarify the matter, the Spring Festival Gala expert panel conducted a comprehensive evaluation of both "Above the Moon" and "All Rise" and ultimately determined that they did not constitute plagiarism."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Yangwei Linghua (simplified Chinese: 杨魏玲花; traditional Chinese: 楊魏玲花; pinyin: Yángwèi Línghuā; Mongolian: Үүлэнхуар Üülenkhuar) to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 11:25, 17 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Phoenix Legend. The voters above have uncovered sources that are reliable but most are actually about Phoenix Legend, indicating that Yangwei Linghua has achieved little independently outside the group, with the exeption of one solo song after they split in 2017. I can find nothing about any further solo activities, but I am probably restrained by language issues so that's why I recommend redirecting as an alternative to deletion. Anything known about her biography, including her solo work, can be added to the group's article, which by the way is badly out-of-date. This same argument could possibly apply to her groupmate Zeng Yi (singer) if anyone wants to inspect his article for notability. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 18:18, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
After looking through some sources, Zheng Yi had some business ventures in China and has been attracting controversy lately (alongside a larger solo career), if anything, I would say he is likely the more notable of the two. Microplastic Consumer (talk) 03:15, 20 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Phoenix Legend per WP:ATD. Not independently notable from the band. The sources are not about her predominantly but about that group.4meter4 (talk) 14:26, 22 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep the subject is adequately covered in secondary sources as shown by @Cunard particularly the Phoenix and People sources. It's a close call but I think she squeaks by on NMUSICIAN by having separate coverage (i.e. by independently establishing notability via NBASIC) and I suppose for her role in composing 月亮之上.

One further thought. While not an "official" argument for keep here at AfD, it does seem a bit unseemly for the male member of a duo having a page and the female one not. I think she passes GNG so this isn't the basis of my vote but it is on my mind. Oblivy (talk) 13:18, 27 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Shameem Akhtar

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Poor and unreliable sources which fail to demonstrate notability of this filmmaker making two non notable movies. Rht bd (talk) 17:03, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Fails sigcov. Agnieszka653 (talk) 13:04, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Would you consider a merge of Rina Brown into this? It would not be unprecedented. Bearian (talk) 01:35, 18 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As I noted in the AfD for Rina Brown, there certainly are sources. As well as the sources I listed there, other books and articles describe and analyse Akhtar's other films. See eg [50], [51], [52]. Akhtar also received the Shilpakala Padak award in 2020 [53] - she is listed in that WP article, but her article does not yet include this information. I will try to add these sources and additional information to both articles. At the very least, WP should have one article about the film maker and her films. RebeccaGreen (talk) 13:59, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per RebeccaGreen. -Afifa Afrin (talk) 11:47, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have started adding info and sources. The text already in the article is rather confusing, so I have started a filmography section to add the refs to, and will sort out the text when I have the sources entered. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:30, 25 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: The sources that have been added to the article appear to be enough for GNG and NFILMMAKER. Somebodyidkfkdt (talk) 09:48, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Having won the Shilpakala Padak award, the subject passes WP:NFILMMAKER. The sources also seem decent enough to pass WP:GNG.--DesiMoore (talk) 15:36, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:HEY. We must either delete or improve BLPs, the latter of which has been done here. Bearian (talk) 10:24, 31 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Phil Morris (health activist)

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this BLP of a health activist, and added a reference to some local news coverage. I cannot find significant coverage, however, and don't think he meets WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. Tacyarg (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Health and fitness, United Kingdom, and England. Tacyarg (talk) 09:16, 14 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Keep -- According to WP:ANYBIO, an Order of the British Empire should be enough to establish notability. There is a reliable source indicating that he is indeed and MBE -- this article is poorly written, and stinks of Wikipedia:SELFPROMOTION, but it satisfies the notability guideline at this point. Slightly off topic but there needs to be dialogue on the notability of MBE's as there are a ton of them. AnonymousScholar49 (talk) 16:56, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I understood it was CBE or KBE upwards that would be likely to confer automatic notability. Found a couple of relevant discussions: 2018; 2016; 2017. Tacyarg (talk) 18:53, 15 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yup, CBE or above. MBE is certainly not high enough. Far too many of them are awarded every year. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:37, 26 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Left guide (talk) 14:07, 21 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ✗plicit 14:56, 28 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (as nom). Another editor has removed one of the references, so we are now down to two for this BLP. Tacyarg (talk) 19:05, 29 August 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People proposed deletions

Hume Peabody (via WP:PROD on 12 May 2025)

[1] CarBike360 – Sunny Arya car collection and net worth

[2] Times of India – Fire accident coverage

[3] Pinkvilla – Fire accident coverage

[4] Indian Express – Ankita Lokhande and Vicky Jain house tour

[5] Times of India – Hyderabad fan meet

[6] Hübscher, Monika; Mering, Sabine von (2024-06-17). Antisemitismus in den Sozialen Medien [Antisemitism in Social Media] (in German). Verlag Barbara Budrich. p. 168. ISBN 978-3-8474-1950-1.

[7] Sajjad, Mohammad Waqas (2023-12-18), Akca, Ayşe Almıla; Feise-Nasr, Mona; Stenske, Leonie; Süer, Aydın (eds.), "Mufti Tariq Masood and the Performance of Religious Speech: Social Media and Religious Discourses in Pakistan", Practices of Islamic Preaching: Text, Performativity, and Materiality of Islamic Religious Speech, De Gruyter, pp. 237–256, doi:10.1515/9783110788334-012, ISBN 978-3-11-078833-4, retrieved 2025-08-18

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